The Reseeding/Stitching Discussion Thread.

Reggie. · 16-04-2018 3:03pm

lab man wrote: »

I've seeded most ways except overfeeding and stitching the chain harrow system does work

Which would you prefer lab? Or is it farm dependant

lab man · 16-04-2018 4:48pm

Reggie. wrote:

Which would you prefer lab? Or is it farm dependant

Well have a lot of mud here in west clare so it's best not to churn it up so all I do now is spray off seed roll light lime fert leave alone then but I do most of the seeding in sept or early October it works here as yer not disturbing the ground and light weanlings can graze it off if it's dry,
First time I went seeding I ploughed disked powerharrowed i told the guy powerharrowing to go light as in 2 inches max but let it down to the last I was gone to work when he was at it I couldn't go into the field for 3 yrs after as you'd just sink a pure disaster that was 9 yrs ago no powerharrow let in here since either

foxirl · 17-04-2018 4:09pm

Reggie. wrote: »

2017 must have been a year for the chickweed as a neighbour has the same issue. He says it's popped up everywhere in a reseed.

If the grass doesn't smother it you could try to harrow it out after that. Hopefully the double hit might knock it back. Other than that then spray might be your only option.

As well as the chickweed it's fairly patchy in areas as you can see from the pic. If I broadcast some more seed with a wagtail and roll would it be worth it. Don't have access to chain harrow and would probably tear up a lot of what's already sown as only 7 months

foxirl · 17-04-2018 4:13pm

Reggie. wrote: »

2017 must have been a year for the chickweed as a neighbour has the same issue. He says it's popped up everywhere in a reseed.

If the grass doesn't smother it you could try to harrow it out after that. Hopefully the double hit might knock it back. Other than that then spray might be your only option.

As well as the chickweed it's fairly patchy in areas as you can see from the pic. If I broadcast some more seed with a wagtail and roll would it be worth it. Don't have access to chain harrow and would probably tear up a lot of what's already sown as only 7 months

Reggie. · 17-04-2018 4:16pm

foxirl wrote: »

As well as the chickweed it's fairly patchy in areas as you can see from the pic. If I broadcast some more seed with a wagtail and roll would it be worth it. Don't have access to chain harrow and would probably tear up a lot of what's already sown as only 7 months

I'd give it time to tiller out first. If still that bad in autumn I'd consider another bit of overseeding. Don't forget it was a hard winter

Mooooo · 17-04-2018 4:16pm

foxirl wrote: »

Great info Reggie. Any advice for mouse eared chickweed. Reseed from last September is full of it and the sheep don't seem to eat it. Thinking of saving hay on some of it and was wondering once the grass gets long will is smother it out.

Grazing tight normally sorts the chickweed with cows anyway. If closing it for silage or hay give it a spray after it's grazed most herbicides would sort chickweed

Muckit · 17-04-2018 4:17pm

There's nothing wrong with that! Bag manure and graze it.

foxirl · 17-04-2018 4:39pm

Reggie. wrote: »

I'd give it time to tiller out first. If still that bad in autumn I'd consider another bit of overseeding. Don't forget it was a hard winter

Thanks Reggie

foxirl · 17-04-2018 4:41pm

Mooooo wrote: »

Grazing tight normally sorts the chickweed with cows anyway. If closing it for silage or hay give it a spray after it's grazed most herbicides would sort chickweed

Might hold off on cutting as was advised that wouldn't help with tillering. Will spray in autumn if it comes to it but trying to avoid killing clover. Will come back in another month with a pic of progress.
Thanks

Reggie. · 17-04-2018 5:01pm

foxirl wrote: »

Might hold off on cutting as was advised that wouldn't help with tillering. Will spray in autumn if it comes to it but trying to avoid killing clover. Will come back in another month with a pic of progress.
Thanks

Don't forget clover can always be added after you have the seed under control

I says · 17-04-2018 5:03pm

Best way to repair rut marks left by tractor around gateways and wet areas?

Reggie. · 17-04-2018 5:08pm

I says wrote: »

Best way to repair rut marks left by tractor around gateways and wet areas?

If very bad a landleveller or tripe k harrow. Tine harrow if marks aren't too deep

I says · 17-04-2018 5:12pm

Reggie. wrote: »

If very bad a landleveller or tripe k harrow. Tine harrow if marks aren't too deep

I wouldn’t want the tine harrow too deep for that so landleveler it is thanks.

Mooooo · 17-04-2018 5:25pm

foxirl wrote: »

Might hold off on cutting as was advised that wouldn't help with tillering. Will spray in autumn if it comes to it but trying to avoid killing clover. Will come back in another month with a pic of progress.
Thanks

You can cut it once you don't go leaving it grow for 10 weeks, if it was growing for 4 or 5 it would be fine i find anyway. Also with reseed the grass would need regular fert this would help it get on top of weeds and get established. Reseeding and not fertilizing is a bit of false economy as the sward will just revert back to weed grasses etc as new grass needs to be fed

oxjkqg · 18-04-2018 11:02am

Has any1 tried the DLF ProNitro seed, nitrogen coated seed..

Reggie. · 18-04-2018 11:58am

oxjkqg wrote: »

Has any1 tried the DLF ProNitro seed, nitrogen coated seed..

Coated or treated

oxjkqg · 18-04-2018 12:19pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Coated or treated

Coated

Reggie. · 18-04-2018 5:07pm

If people can remember back to when I stitched my paddocks last year in late sept to not so great conditions. This is them today

Reggie. · 18-04-2018 5:19pm

oxjkqg wrote: »

Coated

I used treated seed last year. (The pics are above) and found it good. Now it's not coated.

The thing with Coated seed is that there is less seed in a bag. Normal seed is toughly 11250 seeds per 12kg and coated seed is roughly 7500 seeds per 12kg.

Because of this lads don't like it but some tests claim that you get more seeds striking from coated or treated seeds than you do from "naked" seed per bag even tho there's 30% less seed in it. so it's up to the individual really.

trixi2011 · 18-04-2018 8:37pm

What rate would you need to seed at for stitching in some seem to say 14kg acre and others 12 will be grazing a field off in the next few days have seed ordered but might have enough

Reggie. · 18-04-2018 9:02pm

trixi2011 wrote: »

What rate would you need to seed at for stitching in some seem to say 14kg acre and others 12 will be grazing a field off in the next few days have seed ordered but might have enough

No more than 10kg an acre. Waste of seed If any higher. If grass is very dense you could even go 8kg.

14kg an acre is nearly a full reseed rate.

Reggie. · 18-04-2018 9:54pm

Pre flight checks done today

Sillycave · 18-04-2018 9:58pm

Might be a little off topic but from the wet winter have one/two fields that poached when graze, one not to bad and the other bad enough, was thinking of using chain Harrow to try and level out holes, spread grass seed with wagtail and either chain Harrow again and roll or just roll after seeding, do u think this will be a good job? Cheers in advance

Reggie. · 18-04-2018 10:02pm

Sillycave wrote: »

Might be a little off topic but from the wet winter have one/two fields that poached when graze, one not to bad and the other bad enough, was thinking of using chain Harrow to try and level out holes, spread grass seed with wagtail and either chain Harrow again and roll or just roll after seeding, do u think this will be a good job? Cheers in advance

Chain harrow as best ya can. Do a few runs then spread with wagtail and roll. Should work just you won't be too accurate

mengele · 18-04-2018 10:04pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Pre flight checks done today

How many hours on the tractor now?

Reggie. · 18-04-2018 10:10pm

mengele wrote: »

How many hours on the tractor now?

402

jimmy G M · 18-04-2018 10:26pm

Reggie. wrote: »

402

Time for a change soon?

Who2 · 18-04-2018 10:35pm

jimmy G M wrote: »

Time for a change soon?

its a dini, itll be ready for the breakers shortly, he should have kept the 398

Reggie. · 18-04-2018 10:57pm

jimmy G M wrote: »

Time for a change soon?

Actually....... watch this space

Reggie. · 18-04-2018 10:57pm

Who2 wrote: »

its a dini, itll be ready for the breakers shortly, he should have kept the 398

Ah she was good but the age got the better of her

Muckit · 19-04-2018 2:59pm

Reggie. wrote: »

If people can remember back to when I stitched my paddocks last year in late sept to not so great conditions. This is them today

Lovely field. Get rid of that yoke with legs!

Muckit · 19-04-2018 3:02pm

Reggie. wrote: »

The thing with Coated seed is that there is less seed in a bag. Normal seed is toughly 11250 seeds per 12kg and coated seed is roughly 7500 seeds per 12kg.

Jaysus you had fcuk all for doing that night!

Reggie. · 19-04-2018 4:01pm

Muckit wrote: »

Jaysus you had fcuk all for doing that night!

Kept falling asleep

MeTheMan · 21-04-2018 10:18am

What does a reseeding cost per acre? Do ye do
All the work yourself. Have a few acres of ok-ish fields that I taught about reseeding but seems like and expensive job to contract. Rarely done around me.

Reggie. · 21-04-2018 10:46am

MeTheMan wrote: »

What does a reseeding cost per acre? Do ye do
All the work yourself. Have a few acres of ok-ish fields that I taught about reseeding but seems like and expensive job to contract. Rarely done around me.

What are ya thinking of? Full reseed or stitch in? Do you want to plough or powerharrow? Do you want to spray off?

There's too many variables really.

To stitch in with a tine harrow or guttler could be in the region of €190 an acre

MeTheMan · 21-04-2018 11:12am

Probably just spray off. I'm not really sure. Don't think I'd have to soil depth to plow. From reading here harrowing can make the land soft. Its hard enough to get out on it as is so I don't need it softer.

SuperTortoise · 21-04-2018 11:43am

Using the app to get settings for a vicon wagtale it's telling me to set it to 42
Does this sound roughly about right for 3 bags to the acre?

Ard_MC · 21-04-2018 4:28pm

Small sheep farm here..mainly mountain we run on. But was thinkin of harrowin some of the fields and broadcasting clover. Old pasture hasn't been worked in a generation. Would clover alone be best or should i go for a grass mix? No experience whatso ever in this side of things.

Reggie. · 21-04-2018 9:05pm

Ard_MC wrote: »

Small sheep farm here..mainly mountain we run on. But was thinkin of harrowin some of the fields and broadcasting clover. Old pasture hasn't been worked in a generation. Would clover alone be best or should i go for a grass mix? No experience whatso ever in this side of things.

Drop a PM to stanfit

Reggie. · 21-04-2018 9:20pm

Got the calf paddocks oversown today.

Reggie. · 21-04-2018 9:23pm

Then onto a stud to do some repairs. Before and after pics of poach repair

CloughCasey1 · 21-04-2018 11:23pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Got the calf paddocks oversown today.

1 or 2 runs. If 2 do ya seed on the second run?

blue5000 · 21-04-2018 11:57pm

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Using the app to get settings for a vicon wagtale it's telling me to set it to 42
Does this sound roughly about right for 3 bags to the acre?

It's not far off, might be a bit light, what speed do you drive at?

Reggie. · 22-04-2018 12:09am

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

1 or 2 runs. If 2 do ya seed on the second run?

Did 2 runs there and seeded on third.

charolais0153 · 22-04-2018 12:15am

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DonLvGc_wNyI&ved=0ahUKEwj9jLW7v8zaAhVCPVAKHQ8VC4cQwqsBCCcwAA&usg=AOvVaw0jlsfLEY4bWUeXi58BgrWl
This video has all the costings of various types of reseeding

furandfeather · 22-04-2018 8:43am

Reggie. wrote: »

Did 2 runs there and seeded on third.

Probably a stupid question but is it hard to see what's seeded after the 2 runs of the Harrow? Do you Harrow it the 3rd time when your seeding?
Great thread btw thanks, I've been toying with the idea of buying a setup like that for awhile all be it a smaller version, is that the best Harrow from your research?

Reggie. · 22-04-2018 9:05am

furandfeather wrote: »

Probably a stupid question but is it hard to see what's seeded after the 2 runs of the Harrow? Do you Harrow it the 3rd time when your seeding?
Great thread btw thanks, I've been toying with the idea of buying a setup like that for awhile all be it a smaller version, is that the best Harrow from your research?

You go at 90° where possible so you'll mark the ground. If it's hard to see the marks I use the GPS.

You'll probably only going get a 3m harrow. It would be between the palatine or rakeman. Both are very similar priced at around 3k for the 3m. I do believe the palatine is better built tho

furandfeather · 22-04-2018 9:20am

Reggie. wrote: »

You go at 90° where possible so you'll mark the ground. If it's hard to see the marks I use the GPS.

You'll probably only going get a 3m harrow. It would be between the palatine or rakeman. Both are very similar priced at around 3k for the 3m. I do believe the palatine is better built tho

Thanks. Do you have much trouble with slugs? Do you lay pellets for them?

Reggie. · 22-04-2018 9:29am

furandfeather wrote: »

Thanks. Do you have much trouble with slugs? Do you lay pellets for them?

Nope. If you till the field then they can't get at the seed as they can't dig it up

visatorro · 22-04-2018 9:30am

Do you roll after? Presume you can't roll with your spikey roller?

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