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The Reseeding/Stitching Discussion Thread.

Green farmer

Have a old pasture, never been reseeded. Really poor growth, even though good quality dry land. Did the soil rest and says I'm 1&2's for the p&k and ph 5-8. Was going to lime and reseed . What's that best way to tackle it ?

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foxirl

Reggie. wrote: »

2017 must have been a year for the chickweed as a neighbour has the same issue. He says it's popped up everywhere in a reseed.

If the grass doesn't smother it you could try to harrow it out after that. Hopefully the double hit might knock it back. Other than that then spray might be your only option.

As well as the chickweed it's fairly patchy in areas as you can see from the pic. If I broadcast some more seed with a wagtail and roll would it be worth it. Don't have access to chain harrow and would probably tear up a lot of what's already sown as only 7 months

lab man

Reggie. wrote:

Which would you prefer lab? Or is it farm dependant

Well have a lot of mud here in west clare so it's best not to churn it up so all I do now is spray off seed roll light lime fert leave alone then but I do most of the seeding in sept or early October it works here as yer not disturbing the ground and light weanlings can graze it off if it's dry,
First time I went seeding I ploughed disked powerharrowed i told the guy powerharrowing to go light as in 2 inches max but let it down to the last I was gone to work when he was at it I couldn't go into the field for 3 yrs after as you'd just sink a pure disaster that was 9 yrs ago no powerharrow let in here since either

Reggie.

lab man wrote: »

I've seeded most ways except overfeeding and stitching the chain harrow system does work

Which would you prefer lab? Or is it farm dependant

lab man

Tomjim wrote:

what other options are available that would not be too expensive

I've seeded most ways except overfeeding and stitching the chain harrow system does work

Reggie.

I says wrote: »

Yeah ‘‘tis only an auld shook gate I use none of yer fancy stuff:)

I seen the pics. Rough operator

Reggie.

farisfat wrote: »

Have you many full reseed jobs done.....and how did they turn out compared to power harrow or guttler.
What's output like on good level ground.
Sorry for all the questions.

No hassle. Only small amounts of full reseeds done last year as not much time but supposed to be large bits this year.

Difference in tine harrow to guttler is that the tine harrow has 180 tines exposing the ground where a guttler has about 26 (I think) per run. The guttlers tines are also straight tines so when they wear they might not have the same depth in the ground. After that the only difference is the roller at the rear. Only think about the roller is that it Sometimes can gather up the seed again if the rollers get damp.

With the powerharrow you get the ground well prepared but it has a habit of leaving the ground very tender. For instance we reseeded 5 acres in April one year. Went into the field in Oct with teleporter to lift a tree and sank the machine but the teleporter had no trouble in any other field only the reseeded one. I csme to the conculsion that it was powerharrowed too deeply and the soil wasn't compacted and allowing moisture to be stored between the layers. Never got a power harrow back since.

Was told after that you shouldn't powerharrow any deeper than an inch or two but at that rate you might as well be using a tine harrow and you don't be messing up the soil structure.

**all opinions above are my own and from my personnel experience. I'm aware people may have different thoughts on systems.

I says

Reggie. wrote: »

No need. That's that butcher way of doing things. I'm more civilised

Yeah ‘‘tis only an auld shook gate I use none of yer fancy stuff:)

Dozer1

so the Rakeman 3000 is selling at €2,950 inc. 23 per cent Vat only 3m wide,

its very tempting but 1 question I have is my ground is muddy, are the tines strong enough for heavier ground?
I think they look a better job than the chain harrow but you can buy a wider chain harrow so cover the ground faster which is important for the part time person

Reggie.

I says wrote: »

Good to see ya took my advice :):)

No need. That's that butcher way of doing things. I'm more civilised

farisfat

Reggie. wrote: »

A seed bed just has to be soild and the ground exposed. If you till the ground like mad All you are left with at times is powdery soil which is poached easily when wet.

Most of my work is repairing patchy reseeds or reseeds after the first winter. Poweharrows leave the ground very vulnerable to holding water unless very well rolled numerous times. All the seed needs is soil contact and that's where the roller comes in.

Clover is usually sown at 2kg an acre. The clover itself is expensive compared to grass seed so not sure about that but seeding run of harrow is €25 and any preparation runs are €10

Have you many full reseed jobs done.....and how did they turn out compared to power harrow or guttler.
What's output like on good level ground.
Sorry for all the questions.

I says

Reggie. wrote: »

It would be as it applies more pressure to the ground with the tensioner tine. A chain harrow just drags along the top of the ground. You would have to add weight to the chain. Some lads attach a GATE to them

Good to see ya took my advice

:):)

Reggie.

farisfat wrote: »

Dose the time harrow form good enough seed bed in a full reseed.
What rate do u sow clover when over seeding.
And cost per acre.

A seed bed just has to be soild and the ground exposed. If you till the ground like mad All you are left with at times is powdery soil which is poached easily when wet.

Most of my work is repairing patchy reseeds or reseeds after the first winter. Poweharrows leave the ground very vulnerable to holding water unless very well rolled numerous times. All the seed needs is soil contact and that's where the roller comes in.

Clover is usually sown at 2kg an acre. The clover itself is expensive compared to grass seed so not sure about that but seeding run of harrow is €25 and any preparation runs are €10

farisfat

Dose the time harrow form good enough seed bed in a full reseed.
What rate do u sow clover when over seeding.
And cost per acre.

alps

Brilliant brilliant info Reggie...thanks for taking the time..

Reggie.

Tomjim wrote: »

and tine harrow would be better than a chain harrow?

It would be as it applies more pressure to the ground with the tensioner tine. A chain harrow just drags along the top of the ground. You would have to add weight to the chain. Some lads attach a gate to them

Tomjim

Reggie. wrote: »

Will it's tine harrows or chain harrows really.

Land levelled are too bullish for the job I think

and tine harrow would be better than a chain harrow?

Reggie.

Tomjim wrote: »

what other options are available that would not be too expensive

Will it's tine harrows or chain harrows really.

Landlevellers are too bullish for the job I think

Tomjim

Reggie. wrote: »

One on the frame might work as they usually have a levelling bar along the front

what other options are available that would not be too expensive

MeTheMan

Great write up. Have never put out any seeds here. Might try some day.

Always thought rolling was a bad idea because it compacts the soil and leads to bad soakage and aeration? Would you roll a field that hadn't been seeded?

Reggie.

Tomjim wrote: »

even the one on the frame

One on the frame might work as they usually have a levelling bar along the front

Tomjim

Reggie. wrote: »

Would be better than nothing but truthfully it hasn't enough weight to dig into the ground. Could possibly pull poached ground with extra runs maybe

even the one on the frame

Reggie.

Tomjim wrote: »

thanks for the thread - very informative.

Just wondering if a chain harrow would do the same job

Would be better than nothing but truthfully it hasn't enough weight to dig into the ground. Could possibly pull poached ground with extra runs maybe

Tomjim

thanks for the thread - very informative.

Just wondering if a chain harrow would do the same job

Reggie.

foxirl wrote: »

Great info Reggie. Any advice for mouse eared chickweed. Reseed from last September is full of it and the sheep don't seem to eat it. Thinking of saving hay on some of it and was wondering once the grass gets long will is smother it out.

2017 must have been a year for the chickweed as a neighbour has the same issue. He says it's popped up everywhere in a reseed.

If the grass doesn't smother it you could try to harrow it out after that. Hopefully the double hit might knock it back. Other than that then spray might be your only option.

foxirl

Great info Reggie. Any advice for mouse eared chickweed. Reseed from last September is full of it and the sheep don't seem to eat it. Thinking of saving hay on some of it and was wondering once the grass gets long will is smother it out.

Reggie.

Mf310 wrote: »

One thing i find does the best job on any reseed is rolling ive done 2 runs of the roller on some paddocks and serious establishment afterwards...... reggie do you ever get any jobs to just harrow a grass field no seed? Would you find it a good job i know a nice bit of dead grass comes after it alright.

Yeah do it on our own fields. Most lads I think still reckon harrowing fields are a gimmick and don't want to pay for it. Do a few paddocks for the horsey crowd tho

You would be very surprised of what trash comes out of a pasture. Sometimes just harrowing a pasture will be as good as a reseed sometimes. It removes the trash and allows the good healthy grass to tiller out and grow.

As for the rolling. It's all about a solid seedbed and soil contact. You would be surprised at how many lads refuse to roll thier fields

Mf310

One thing i find does the best job on any reseed is rolling ive done 2 runs of the roller on some paddocks and serious establishment afterwards...... reggie do you ever get any jobs to just harrow a grass field no seed? Would you find it a good job i know a nice bit of dead grass comes after it alright.

kowtow

Reggie thank you so much for such an informative thread.

I have to confess it reminds me just slightly of a certain Henry Reed poem...

"Today we have naming of parts. Yesterday we had daily cleaning, and tomorrow we will have what to so after firing..."

leoch

Excellent thread Reggie very informative

Pidae.m

We cut a paddock very very bad here & the plan is set a bag /acre with the einbock seeder and slurry