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A boat full of carbs

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  • #152
    petethedrummer
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    I think the correct way to train without food is to eat well the night before, get up the next morning and go out without a breakfast (obviously bring some food in case you need some).

    I think it is slightly different to eating just before going out and hoping not to eat anytime soon. Also if you feel hungry don't try to ignore it because you are trying to fast. Eat.

    I haven't tried it. Though I might give it a shot next time I go cycling. I have avoided this kind of carry on because it would look utterly mental to someone observing me.


  • #153
    DaithiMC
    Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭DaithiMC


    AstraMonti wrote: »
    I don't see this diet as just a diet, more like a way of life from now on. Having read so much stuff lately about nutrition, I am conviced that the food pyramid as currently presented is a huge load of rubbish. If I change something it would be maybe moving more towards the paleo approach, incorporating some more carbs mainly from vegs and fruits.

    On the performance side of things, you can create glycogen from multiple sources, fat included when are you past ketosis. It takes longer though to create from fat than from simple carbs.

    Have you had your cholesterol numbers or other markers tested to see if you are moving in the right direction before you make that claim? The reason I say it is, one man's poison.....etc. I have tried with various fasting diets and noticed considerable drop in LDL, triglycerides and although it wasn't high, HbA1c. I would not be quick to take what one person in a video said was their experience and morph it to my own - he did say it can be different for different people so you should at least get your Doc to do a workup on cholesterol\lipids and the diabetes markers, glucose tolerance, HbA1c, etc.

    I think losing weight is a good thing but it is only one datapoint and if you are considering this a lifestyle you should test a few other important health markers.

    Personally I think we are as a society overloaded with fast\simple sugars so we could do with a drastic cut back on that, but that may be where the imbalance is and shifting that to another imbalance in protein and\or fats may not be a sustainable "lifestyle" either.


  • #154
    ford2600
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    Also if you feel hungry don't try to ignore it because you are trying to fast. Eat.

    I agree with this if it is hunger and not a sugar craving. I didn't know the difference before but now I do. I often felt very hungry 1.5 hrs after eating a large meal.
    That wasn't hunger I was feeling.
    Peter Attia in one of his videos says some of his clients adapt immediately without issue while others struggle.
    I guess we are not all the same and there is no universal correct diet


  • #155
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    DaithiMC wrote: »
    Have you had your cholesterol numbers or other markers tested to see if you are moving in the right direction before you make that claim? The reason I say it is, one man's poison.....etc. I have tried with various fasting diets and noticed considerable drop in LDL, triglycerides and although it wasn't high, HbA1c. I would not be quick to take what one person in a video said was their experience and morph it to my own - he did say it can be different for different people so you should at least get your Doc to do a workup on cholesterol\lipids and the diabetes markers, glucose tolerance, HbA1c, etc.

    I think losing weight is a good thing but it is only one datapoint and if you are considering this a lifestyle you should test a few other important health markers.

    Personally I think we are as a society overloaded with fast\simple sugars so we could do with a drastic cut back on that, but that may be where the imbalance is and shifting that to another imbalance in protein and\or fats may not be a sustainable "lifestyle" either.

    I agree but a huge part of cholesterol issue is how it is presented. The total cholesterol number tells us very little, yet with many doctors it is the only yardstick. Where can you get Apo tests done?
    I for different reasons had been following a very strict low fat diet, with no alcohol very active etc. Yet my cholesterol numbers were going in wrong direction, triglycerides vldl ldl etc

    I had my bloods checked Wednesday and if op doesn't feel im hijacking thread I will post 3 historical results with new results as soon as I have them.

    As for rubbish, I've had doctors tell me to lose 8 pounds because I was 26 on bmi. She told me as I was on treadmill doing stress test. Im very lean and any doctor worth their salt should know if I have excess fat at a glance.

    ffs bmi indexing was invented by a Belgian with many strings to his bow, but medicine wasn't one of them. Yet it's stuck to the wall of every gps surgery


  • #156
    DaithiMC
    Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭DaithiMC


    ford2600 wrote: »
    I agree but a huge part of cholesterol issue is how it is presented. The total cholesterol number tells us very little, yet with many doctors it is the only yardstick. Where can you get Apo tests done?
    I for different reasons had been following a very strict low fat diet, with no alcohol very active etc. Yet my cholesterol numbers were going in wrong direction, triglycerides vldl ldl etc

    I had my bloods checked Wednesday and if op doesn't feel im hijacking thread I will post 3 historical results with new results as soon as I have them.

    As for rubbish, I've had doctors tell me to lose 8 pounds because I was 26 on bmi. She told me as I was on treadmill doing stress test. Im very lean and any doctor worth their salt should know if I have excess fat at a glance.

    ffs bmi indexing was invented by a Belgian with many strings to his bow, but medicine wasn't one of them. Yet it's stuck to the wall of every gps surgery

    Understood - Ratio of Total over HDL is usually what is cited now - at least that's what my Doc said to me last time I was there. As I said a number of datapoints are needed to get any sort of picture so I agree that just stating total cholesterol is meaningless in and of itself. As I mentioned, I tried long, intermittent fasts and reduced all regularly tested markers, weight, TC, trigs, LDL, HDL (went up a little but thats the right direction for it), HbA1c, abdominal fat.... I'm sure BMI was also lowered but I tried not to get hung up on weight as I think that's the course to failure to moving to a new lifestyle and why people ping pong in dieting regimes, IMO.

    As for BMI, my opinion on that is it needs to be connected to body fat% in someway, probably should never be cited without it but its an easy one for the masses to assess at home.

    Having had results now in over a year of the fasting regime, I'm thinking of going down the reduced carbs route but want to do that in a manageable way - probably not to the extent in the video above - I like my food too much!


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  • #157
    AstraMonti
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    ford2600 wrote: »
    60km isn't a lot without grub.

    No it's really not a lot, but my metabolism was always on a high gear. Before I started this diet, regardless of what I had in the morning I was hungry in less than an hour.
    DaithiMC wrote: »
    Have you had your cholesterol numbers or other markers tested to see if you are moving in the right direction before you make that claim?

    Before continuing (and to keep mods happy) I would like just to remind everyone that this is not a scientific log, I don't claim to have found the ultimate truth nor I am capable of providing any consultation to anyone! I am only formulating opinions of what I 've read, seen and studied so far, nothing more.

    Now, regardless of what my cholesterol levels would be I still find the current notion of food pyramid ridiculous. Sugar and wheat are bad for you, you can't possibly suggest to people to start their day with a bowl full of sugar (what all cereal essentially are) and bread. I mean just looking at this I am getting annoyed:

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    DaithiMC wrote: »
    Personally I think we are as a society overloaded with fast\simple sugars so we could do with a drastic cut back on that, but that may be where the imbalance is and shifting that to another imbalance in protein and\or fats may not be a sustainable "lifestyle" either.

    I agree, it's unfortunate that it's 2013 and still nutrition is such a hazy cloud of information, it all breaks down to biomechanics but we still have a long way to go to fully understand what each food does to us.

    DaithiMC wrote: »
    Understood - Ratio of Total over HDL is usually what is cited now - at least that's what my Doc said to me last time I was there. As I said a number of datapoints are needed to get any sort of picture so I agree that just stating total cholesterol is meaningless in and of itself. As I mentioned, I tried long, intermittent fasts and reduced all regularly tested markers, weight, TC, trigs, LDL, HDL (went up a little but thats the right direction for it), HbA1c, abdominal fat.... I'm sure BMI was also lowered but I tried not to get hung up on weight as I think that's the course to failure to moving to a new lifestyle and why people ping pong in dieting regimes, IMO.

    I think now I am the healthiest I 've ever been, having cut down dramatically all processed food and sugars, eating more vegs and exercising at least 4 times a week. I did eventually found a doc that would run the Apo-B test along with HDL, LDL and VLDL , it would be interesting to see how this goes, I am going to do the tests on Friday morning.
    ford2600 wrote: »
    I had my bloods checked Wednesday and if op doesn't feel im hijacking thread I will post 3 historical results with new results as soon as I have them.

    Feel free to post them!


    My breakfast yesterday was eggs, with bacon and some cheese and spinach. I nibbled on some nuts until around 2 when I had a massive t-bone steak with extra butter on top and rocket salad. Nibbled on some more nuts, had a spoon of nutella and off I went to the gym where I had an hour of painful TRX exercises. After the gym I had a pint of milk with two scoops of protein and off I went to bed.


  • #158
    jag con
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    Hi i have been following your posts here and over the last 2 weeks i have cut down completely on white bread spuds and pasta. i would have a bowl of porridge or a bowl of pasta before my cycling. But i am just so wrecked with this lack of carbs i am waking up in the morning after 8 hours sleep and feel like i have been dragged through a bush backwards i also have mouth ulcers. I am eating plenty of fruit and veg so just wondering did you go through this yourself and any advice


  • #159
    AstraMonti
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    Hi jag con, I did go through that but only after training. I had to incorporate some carbs in the form of complex protein. I initially started taking chocolate milk with protein powder but I cut that down and instead I am having a pint of full fat milk with 2 scoops of complex protein (it has a bit of carbs inside).


  • #160
    jag con
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    AstraMonti wrote: »
    Hi jag con, I did go through that but only after training. I had to incorporate some carbs in the form of complex protein. I initially started taking chocolate milk with protein powder but I cut that down and instead I am having a pint of full fat milk with 2 scoops of complex protein (it has a bit of carbs inside).


    Cheers but i am fine after training its just during the morning after i wake up i feel wrecked like this morning i woke up and felt like i was out all night and had about a hours sleep ive eaten a apple and banana since then, But i am just wondering is it the body getting used to the lack of bread and spuds etc i am hoping this will go away soon as the weight is falling off me i have lost 5 pounds this week


  • #161
    AstraMonti
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    Well apple and banana are fruits full of sugar, so essentially you re still having carbs. Also you need to increase the amount of fat and protein you 're eating, your body needs something to replace the carbs you are not eating as bread/spuds etc.


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  • #162
    jag con
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    Cheers yes i think i am getting plenty of protein as i am eating chicken and plenty of white and red meat maybe the sugar from the fruit is causing a spike and then a crash so i will take a look at this. Thanks for the replies i have a lot of weight to lose circa 20kg overall so i will have to do some more research on this.


  • #163
    pprendeville
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    jag con wrote: »
    Hi i have been following your posts here and over the last 2 weeks i have cut down completely on white bread spuds and pasta. i would have a bowl of porridge or a bowl of pasta before my cycling. But i am just so wrecked with this lack of carbs i am waking up in the morning after 8 hours sleep and feel like i have been dragged through a bush backwards i also have mouth ulcers. I am eating plenty of fruit and veg so just wondering did you go through this yourself and any advice

    White bread spuds? Never tried them. Any good? :D


  • #164
    jag con
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    pprendeville wrote: »
    White bread spuds? Never tried them. Any good? :D

    They are only lovely also known as a chip butty:D:p:D


  • #165
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    jag con wrote: »
    Cheers but i am fine after training its just during the morning after i wake up i feel wrecked like this morning i woke up and felt like i was out all night and had about a hours sleep ive eaten a apple and banana since then, But i am just wondering is it the body getting used to the lack of bread and spuds etc i am hoping this will go away soon as the weight is falling off me i have lost 5 pounds this week


    Some people take in too much protein and not enough fat when trying diet.

    Also if diet take you away from processed food you need to make sure you have enough salt in diet


  • #166
    petethedrummer
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    jag con wrote: »
    I have a lot of weight to lose circa 20kg overall so i will have to do some more research on this.

    Give up all this nonsense. It's calories in vs calories out. Rough calculations suggest that you need to cycle across America 4 times in your fat burning zone.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057077294


  • #167
    ryan_sherlock
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    jag con wrote: »
    ive eaten a apple and banana since then, But i am just wondering is it the body getting used to the lack of bread and spuds etc i am hoping this will go away soon as the weight is falling off me i have lost 5 pounds this week

    Looks like the culprit - I tend to only eat fruit during or post (1-2hrs) training. A banana is basically a big bag of sugar nicely presented. Frozen berries I still eat at most times though.

    Are you drinking a lot of caffeine? If so, maybe cut back a little for a while to see how it effects sleep.

    5 pounds - probably a lot of water weight (probably less toxins in your diet so your body doesn't hold as much water to dilute it) - as another poster said, increase your salt intake a little.


  • #168
    AstraMonti
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    Soon...

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  • #169
    niceonetom
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    Am I the only one putting on weight on this diet? It's not a lot and I suspect it's muscle from some lifting I'm doing right now but still... mass is mass.


  • #170
    ford2600
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    I'm losing a little weight(weight loss was never a goal, cholestrol lowering was) but have certainly toned up.

    My exercise had been about 10hrs a week on bike down to 4hrs currently with the change of seasons. However currently I'm doing 12-15hrs of very physical work per week. This diet is the business for that, load up at 7.30 eat again around 2-3 even then not usualy hungry.


  • #171
    ryan_sherlock
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    niceonetom wrote: »
    Am I the only one putting on weight on this diet? It's not a lot and I suspect it's muscle from some lifting I'm doing right now but still... mass is mass.

    My weight didn't change (maybe heavier) - but I started lean. I feel a lot healthier though - for me that is the win.


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  • #172
    niceonetom
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    ryan_sherlock wrote: »
    My weight didn't change (maybe heavier) - but I started lean. I feel a lot healthier though - for me that is the win.

    Yeah, I dropped about 3kg and have now put most of that back on so I'm probably a little leaner now too. I'd prefer if the weightgain stopped now though as I usually find it very hard to get though December without accumulating a little ballast. I'll stick to the plan and hopefully burn some of that off in January I guess.

    I really need to decide if the weights are worth doing. They make me feel good but seem to stimulate anabolism quite a lot. Good for wellbeing etc. But is that new muscle (some of which is in the upper body though all my lifting is focused on the legs and trunk) actually any use to me as a bike rider? We'll see.

    I feel healthier too. I've been paleo(ish) for a little over a year and HFLC for about 3 months so I haven't been low-carb long enough to see any improvement in performance in terms of power (my lack of form at this time of year would hide that anyhow) but endurance seems to be similar now without food to how it was this time last year when I was eating every 30 mins on the bike.


  • #173
    Tec Diver
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    I've been LCHF since Feb and doubt I've lost weight long term, but I know I did initially (usually associated with water retention). Weight loss isn't a goal for me, health and fitness are. I've lost a good bit of BF%, but gained in muscle, so overall roughly the same weight - although I don't regularly weigh myself.
    For me the real benefits are being able to do a 5-6 hour adventure race on only a (carb free) breakfast and only drinking water and taking electrolytes. No gels or anything.
    BTW, being able to do a 60k fasted cycle may not sound like much to some, but it's all relative.
    Counting calories doesn't work either. A calorie of white bread is not the same as a calorie of (for example) an avocado.


  • #174
    Paul Kiernan
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    I did 4 hours cycling Tuesday, 2.5 yesterday and will do another 2.5 or so today. Average pace about 75% MaxHR. I've been religiously keeping my carb intake around 50g per day as I'm trying to promote ketosis (now in 3rd week of diet).

    Should I be taking some easily absorbed simple carbs during or immediately after these spins or will that undo all the hard work of training on empty?

    PS Sorry for 'jacking your thread Astra but this seems to have become the de facto LCHF thread!


  • #175
    AstraMonti
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    Not a bother feel free to chip in with anything.

    I do take carbs after exercise in the form of complex protein as I feel like a bag of potatoes the next day if I don't. If you feel fine (no heavy legs or more tired than normal) I would say skip the carbs and see how it goes. For me everything comes down to how the body feels.

    We did another 300 yesterday in the gym, 50 30kg squats, 50 press ups on the bar, 50 bench press 30kgs, 50 squat jumps, 50 pullups and 50 single hand kettlebell swings. I completed it in 23mins. I have to say I really enjoy doing that sort of stuff.


  • #176
    DaithiMC
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    AstraMonti wrote: »
    I do take carbs after exercise in the form of complex protein as I feel like a bag of potatoes the next day if I don't. If you feel fine (no heavy legs or more tired than normal) I would say skip the carbs and see how it goes. For me everything comes down to how the body feels.

    I thought that the amino acid formulations were better for recovery as essentially the complex proteins have to be broken down to the AA's to be utilised?


  • #177
    Tec Diver
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    Paul Kiernan wrote: »
    I did 4 hours cycling Tuesday, 2.5 yesterday and will do another 2.5 or so today. Average pace about 75% MaxHR. I've been religiously keeping my carb intake around 50g per day as I'm trying to promote ketosis (now in 3rd week of diet).

    Should I be taking some easily absorbed simple carbs during or immediately after these spins or will that undo all the hard work of training on empty?

    PS Sorry for 'jacking your thread Astra but this seems to have become the de facto LCHF thread!

    No, you don't need them.


  • #178
    AstraMonti
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    DaithiMC wrote: »
    I thought that the amino acid formulations were better for recovery as essentially the complex proteins have to be broken down to the AA's to be utilised?

    True, by complex I meant that the powder I am taking has carbs as well.


  • #179
    petethedrummer
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    Paul Kiernan wrote: »
    I did 4 hours cycling Tuesday, 2.5 yesterday and will do another 2.5 or so today. Average pace about 75% MaxHR. I've been religiously keeping my carb intake around 50g per day as I'm trying to promote ketosis (now in 3rd week of diet).
    The following comes from stuff I have read but not tried...The only way you are going to definitely know if you are in Ketosis is to get a blood ketone monitor. The urine strips are not accurate. And it takes people different lengths of time to go in and out. I'm not into measuring so i'm not going to bother with that.
    Paul Kiernan wrote: »
    Should I be taking some easily absorbed simple carbs during or immediately after these spins or will that undo all the hard work of training on empty?
    I believe eating any decent amount refined carbs will pull you out of ketosis. How quick you go back into ketosis you'll have to figure out for yourself.

    I don't take carbs after training but I don't train often. I do take 5 or 6 pints of an apple derived carbohydrate drink every other Saturday night. If I am out for a meal I switch to a stronger grape based formula.


  • #180
    DaithiMC
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    petethedrummer wrote: »
    The following comes from stuff I have read but not tried...The only way you are going to definitely know if you are in Ketosis is to get a blood ketone monitor. The urine strips are not accurate. And it takes people different lengths of time to go in and out. I'm not into measuring so i'm not going to bother with that.

    Bad breath is a good indicator as well as a metallic taste in your mouth - fast for 8 hours + and you'll start getting these indications. You probably don't need a specific figure to know you're going into ketosis. The ketone monitors that Abbott and Nova Biomedical sell are expensive enough and for training, as opposed to medical purposes, a qualitative indication should be good enough.

    Although knowing your penchant for numbers from other threads the Nova Biomedical metre tests Glucose and Ketone (BHB) together Statstrip, would probably be good if it did Lactate too.


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  • #181
    petethedrummer
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    DaithiMC wrote: »
    Although knowing your penchant for numbers from other threads.
    That's my alter ego.


  • #182
    Billycake
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    [QUOTE=AstraMonti;

    I do take carbs after exercise in the form of complex protein as I feel like a bag of potatoes the next day if I don't. If you feel fine (no heavy legs or more tired than normal) I would say skip the carbs and see how it goes. For me everything comes down to how the body feels.
    [/QUOTE]

    Hi Astra monti,
    I've been following more or less the same "diet" as you for two months now but I'm curious as to what complex protein / carb mix you use after exercise?? I had been eating some fruit & yoghurt or milk after hard sessions with no problems but this week I've suddenly been floored after a 90min sprint drill session on Tuesday and a weight session on Wednesday. Nothing unusual in my training at all.
    I wanted to ride again on Thursday but just couldn't do it as the legs and body hurt too much and I had a 4 hour ride in for tomorrow but even the thoughts of it now are too much.


  • #183
    AstraMonti
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    I think it's an Olimp complex whey protein, I threw away the package. If I remember correctly per 100gr there are 10gr of carbs or something like that.


  • #184
    Paul Kiernan
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    I ate a potato last night. It was delicious. I cut it into thin slices and soaked it to remove as much starch as possible. It was then smothered in cream and gruyere and cooked in the oven in an open dish. It was delicious.

    I felt so guilty this morning I had to go out and do a 3 hour spin.

    I'm going to have some chips with my steak tonight. And some pepper sauce made with butter.

    Edit: Damn, I felt even guiltier this morning. And it's stuffed roast chicken tonight, can I resist the stuffing!


  • #185
    godihatedehills
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    I'm in no way fully committed to the cause but I have been dabbling from Mondays to Fridays. I was wondering if the diet has an effect on anyone else's sleep?


  • #186
    ROK ON
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    I experimented from say late July until end Sept with a few slip ups.
    I stopped because while I felt trimmer and lost a few lbs I was knackered pretty much all of the time.

    My focus is to avoid processed food in as much as possible.
    So to that extent I am eating carve (sweet potato, root veg. Fruit)
    I no longer take sugar in coffee and have cut way way down on chocolate (maybe 4 bars a week as opposed to 2bars every day).

    Going without carbs didn't appear to suit me so I have kep all that is good - oily fish, green veg etc but have added in carbs.

    The kids love sweet potato and brocolli so there is some benefit.


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  • #187
    Paul Kiernan
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    godihatedehills wrote: »
    I'm in no way fully committed to the cause but I have been dabbling from Mondays to Fridays. I was wondering if the diet has an effect on anyone else's sleep?

    I've been sleeping like a log and having extremely vivid dreams. So much so that I'm beginning to question what is reality, the dreams or the waking hours. I hope I remember posting this when I wake up.


  • #188
    Tec Diver
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    ROK ON wrote: »
    I experimented from say late July until end Sept with a few slip ups.
    I stopped because while I felt trimmer and lost a few lbs I was knackered pretty much all of the time.
    I went cold turkey off carbs in Feb and the first two weeks were tough, then on weeks 3-4 I felt like I had a small hangover/head cold all the time. After that I felt better and better. If you stick with it you'll reap the benefits. For me it includes better sleep, no more blocked sinuses, no bloated stomach after meals, no more food comas, no dry skin and being "wide awake" all day (no mid-morning/afternoon slumps). Also I don't get hungry anymore, which is great, even after a long run/cycle.


  • #189
    AstraMonti
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    godihatedehills wrote: »
    I'm in no way fully committed to the cause but I have been dabbling from Mondays to Fridays. I was wondering if the diet has an effect on anyone else's sleep?

    If anything I am sleeping better and a bit quieter too, but still snoring hehe

    I haven't updated much the last few days. Foodwise I am keeping the same stuff, I tried venison with a buttery sauce which wasn't really my liking but anyway. I 've been bad with sugar though the last couple of days, I ate a whole pack of milk chocolate coated gingerbread cookies and I didn't even feel sorry which is the bad part.

    As for training, I went for a spin on Saturday and just back to the gym today which I got another PR with a 155kg deadlift. /flex

    Seriously now, need to figure out why I keep going back to sugar. My cravings are back like before, even after a very lchf lunch/dinner. It's like my body is waiting for a treat after a meal and the berries do not really satisfy.


  • #190
    ford2600
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    Ok as promised lipid results after 3 months of diet which has totally excluded carbs with exception of generous fruit and veg, with high meat, eggs, plant fats etc.

    As a note between Jan-May I was on a strict low fat diet with next to no alcohol chocolate etc.

    The results are interesting to say the least Apo B test a must with my sky rocketing LDL and TC but exceptional Tri HDL levels. My GP is just as confused..

    Not looking for medical advice just put up for interest so please don’t offer it don’t want to derail thread

    TC HDL LDL Tri Tri/HDL Ratio TC/HDL

    Jan 13 6.8 1.42 4.8 1.31 0.92 4.78

    May 13 6.3 1.48 4.0 1.64 1.1 4.25

    Nov 13 7.8 1.8 5.4 0.92 0.51 4.33


  • #191
    AstraMonti
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    Thanks for that ford, you can actually see how the diet "works". I think the results are fine, TC & LDL by itself says nothing to me anyway. And at last I ll be able to show you my results as well as I booked blood tests for next thursday.


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  • #192
    ford2600
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    AstraMonti wrote: »
    Thanks for that ford, you can actually see how the diet "works". I think the results are fine, TC & LDL by itself says nothing to me anyway. And at last I ll be able to show you my results as well as I booked blood tests for next thursday.

    Sound.

    Would you mind sending me name of clinic/lab that does ApoB test?

    My guess is LDL particles are big and I don't have that many of them!
    The drop in Tri and rise in hdl between following strict food pyramid and HF diet is interestesting. Doing what I was told my lipid were going in wrong direction.

    Now only to get my dear wife to believe Dayspring & co are right and every other doctor is wrong. Not a conspiracy theorist but the $12 billion/year factory outside my window which used to make just one tablet is a powrrful voice to quiten


  • #193
    AstraMonti
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    Not much to update in terms of training as I didn't do much and due to some news I got are probably going to change my plans for "hardcore" racing in the next season but we ll see.

    As for food the breakfast remains the same, a variety of eggs with either ham or bacon. That's what I had yesterday morning:

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    Lunch was butter baked Salmon with spinach and homemade pepper mayo. Dinner was a selection of nuts, cheese and ham.


  • #194
    ford2600
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    Did a mini experiment today.

    Other than fruit/veg no carbs/sugar in diet.

    A neighbour dropped over two jars of honey about a month ago which have remained unopened.

    About 2.5hrs after lunch I had two teaspoons of said honey.

    An hour or so later I was like a bear in supermarket looking for food. Haven't felt that in a while!

    Very unscientific I know


  • #195
    AstraMonti
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    I 've been very busy lately so not many updates.

    Food continues the same, I 've managed to contain my sugar cravings by just refusing to eat any, not sure how much I ll last, but I am trying it.

    As for training I 've been everyday to the gym this week, Monday was weights, tuesday 45mins spinning-15min abs, wednesday and thursday "heavy" lifting. A new PR in the deadlifts of 160kg and new pr in squats of 110kgs. Might not sound a lot, but for me it's a huge improvement, last year at this day I couldn't even lift a third of that.


  • #196
    niceonetom
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    I'm not sure you still need the inverted commas around the word "heavy". That's heavy.


  • #197
    petethedrummer
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    So I've tried training fasted twice now on my last 2 Saturday spins. Big meal the night before so no need for breakfast. 3.5 hour spins. Coffee stop. Water in bottle was largely untouched. Big slow cooked lamb stew when I got home.

    I like it (YMMV).


  • #198
    AstraMonti
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    Interesting day today. I had arranged to do my blood tests today, and I was fasting since yesterday afternoon. The blood tests were at 11 so I was close to 18hours without food. I was very hungry in the morning but that wore off pretty fast and then had lunch at 12:30 which was roast beef with salad and carrots. Was again hungry at 3 so had some jerky beef, cheese and nuts. On to the gym after work for an hour of a hard spinning session (which i felt quite weak to be honest) and now at home.. surprisingly not hungry. I ll wake up early for a fry tomorrow hehe.

    I ll post the blood results once i get them, which should be next tuesday.


  • #199
    ford2600
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    petethedrummer wrote: »
    So I've tried training fasted twice now on my last 2 Saturday spins. Big meal the night before so no need for breakfast. 3.5 hour spins. Coffee stop. Water in bottle was largely untouched. Big slow cooked lamb stew when I got home.

    I like it (YMMV).

    On your 3.5hr spin, what kind of effort were you putting in? Was it an easy flatish spin or were you in mountains/pushing it hard?


  • #200
    petethedrummer
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    ford2600 wrote: »
    On your 3.5hr spin, what kind of effort were you putting in? Was it an easy flatish spin or were you in mountains/pushing it hard?

    Hilly routes usually around Dublin mountains. I go by perceived effort. The climbs would be done pretty much as quickly as I can do them without wanting to puke at the top. I could go marginally harder if I was trying to match a better climber. I tend to train effort/rest/effort/rest. I don't do continuous slogs. The length of the efforts is as long as the hill. The rest is as long as the downhill and flat bit.

    I liked it because there was no getting up early for breakfast, no digestion taking place on the bike and no faffing with food on the bike. Wake up 10 mins beforehand, get dressed, fill water bottle, get on bike. Efficient.


  • #201
    AstraMonti
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    I was away for work for 3 days and it was a huge carbfest, nothing besides pizzas, greasy burgers and fries near the datacenter. Felt horrible each and every day in every possible way, and I ll spare you the details. I think it shows how the body has adapted to the low carb diet and how a sudden change to that screws it all up.

    I met a swedish guy in work, watched him put butter in his coffee and we struck a conversation. He was genuinely surprised to hear that a non swedish is doing that kind of diet and when i told him that we're a bunch of crazies doing that he was in shock.


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