Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

RandomName2 · 18-04-2021 5:20pm

jmcc wrote: »

The Labour/Stickies Nua

FG? The same party that had its leader installed by a politburo

spivishness

Orwell

I don't have anything to add here, nor do I feel obliged given that you constantly dodge questions.

Just quoting the bits of your post that most amused me.

18-04-2021 5:25pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

FFFG and Labour never face similar questions about their collaborations with the crimes of the RC church.

Jaysis...

Could we get back on topic now
I'll start
The reason no one has stepped aside over this document thing,is the government believe no crime happened and don't want to be seen to be entertaining what they see as spurious processes instigated by any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave designed to disrupt government
They've moved on and let the process play out

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 5:36pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Jaysis...

Could we get back on topic now
I'll start
The reason no one has stepped aside over this document thing,is the government believe no crime happened and don't want to be seen to be entertaining what they see as spurious processes instigated by any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave designed to disrupt government
They've moved on and let the process play out

Or they circled the wagons to protect somebody who confessed to wrong doing of a magnitude that required a Garda criminal investigation.

When that coalition was formed by two civil war parties comingtogether (merging/giving up the pretence they are different) in a last ditch effort to preserve the power for themselves, my money is on the above.

jimmycrackcorm · 18-04-2021 6:22pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Hmmm.

SF constantly face questions about past activities of the IRA.

FFFG and Labour never face similar questions about their collaborations with the crimes of the RC church.

Is there any information about SF bringing up any objections to what was happening with the RC church in those times? Maybe the young women sent to the laundries were exempt if they came from staunch republican families.

SF have no record to be proud about in this area when it comes to Gerry's handling of his brother and Maria Cahill's treatment by the IRA investigation.

I can't understand the attempts to paint SF as the good guys here.

skimpydoo · 18-04-2021 6:32pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Is there any information about SF bringing up any objections to what was happening with the RC church in those times? Maybe the young women sent to the laundries were exempt if they came from staunch republican families.

SF have no record to be proud about in this area when it comes to Gerry's handling of his brother and Maria Cahill's treatment by the IRA investigation.

I can't understand the attempts to paint SF as the good guys here.

There are no good guys. Every party has its skeletons.

18-04-2021 6:32pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or they circled the wagons to protect somebody who confessed to wrong doing of a magnitude that required a Garda criminal investigation.

.

But sure,they've nothing to protect,believing there to be no crime
Its more a case of preventing any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave with a vandetta instigating investigations of what they believe not to be true
It seems the Times source has confirmed them right on that
No Crime,no charge
It really is that simple

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 6:44pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

But sure,they've nothing to protect,believing there to be no crime
Its more a case of preventing any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave with a vandetta instigating investigations of what they believe not to be true
It seems the Times source has confirmed them right on that
No Crime,no charge
It really is that simple

Or they circled the wagons to protect somebody who confessed to wrong doing of a magnitude that required a Garda criminal investigation.

It's actually this simple.

jimmycrackcorm · 18-04-2021 6:47pm

jmcc wrote: »

"Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has been questioned by gardaí over the leaking of a confidential Government document, while detectives also took possession of the Fine Gael leader’s mobile phone after he handed it over in a major upscaling of the investigation." Sindo. 18/April/2021.

Varadkar was interviewed under caution on April 9th. His friend, O'Toole, was interviewed on April 5th. The pro-FG media has been pushing a non-story about an SF electoral database and has completely avoided the story about Varadkar being questioned under caution and his mobile phone being surrendered.

Regards...jmcc

Poor SF, always the media victim. Anything reported showing them in a bad light must be because of the big bad fake news media. Who are the pro-FG media you're talking about unless it's anyone who says anything negative about SF.?

You can't be referring to the independent after all when it refers to this.

Handing over a phone in an investigation, so upsetting. It really is the worst thing in the world.

18-04-2021 6:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or they circled the wagons to protect somebody who confessed to wrong doing of a magnitude that required a Garda criminal investigation.

It's actually this simple.

Or the Gardaí are doing their job well,unhindered discovering no crime (according to the British Times source)
Simpler still

jimmycrackcorm · 18-04-2021 6:48pm

skimpydoo wrote: »

There are no good guys. Every party has its skeletons.

One party has actual skeletons buried from actual people.

18-04-2021 6:50pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Or the Gardaí are doing their job well,unhindered discovering no crime (according to the British Times source)
Simpler still

It’s the hope that kills them.

jimmycrackcorm · 18-04-2021 6:52pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or they circled the wagons to protect somebody who confessed to wrong doing of a magnitude that required a Garda criminal investigation.

Who confessed to a wrong doing?

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 7:12pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Or the Gardaí are doing their job well,unhindered discovering no crime (according to the British Times source)
Simpler still

Gardai collect evidence and the DPP decides whether it's a crime and prosecutable.

Premature of the source and you to be pronouncing a verdict.

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 7:13pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Who confessed to a wrong doing?

Leo, after he was exposed by The Village Magazine

18-04-2021 7:17pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Gardai collect evidence and the DPP decides whether it's a crime and prosecutable.

Premature of the source and you to be pronouncing a verdict.

The source said the document wasn't protected and that vradakar had no gain,so wheres the crime?
Theres a reason the garda source said its going to contain no recommendation
This ones slipping from your grasp I'm afraid and the government knew this all along which is why they were happy to move on
My advice is to find a new boxset

18-04-2021 7:19pm

I wonder how Wifi Paddy is taking the news? Sulking I'd say.

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 7:32pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

The source said the document wasn't protected and that vradakar had no gain,so wheres the crime?
Theres a reason the garda source said its going to contain no recommendation
This ones slipping from your grasp I'm afraid and the government knew this all along which is why they were happy to move on
My advice is to find a new boxset

The 'source' could be the cleaner.

The DPP will decide on this not the Gardai.

You have to sit on tenderhooks for a while longer. Not a good look.

skimpydoo · 18-04-2021 7:42pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

One party has actual skeletons buried from actual people.

Ah the Mother and Babys home in Tuam?

18-04-2021 7:43pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'source' could be the cleaner.

The DPP will decide on this not the Gardai.

You have to sit on tenderhooks for a while longer. Not a good look.

Doubt any of the top brass in FG are having sleepless nights about this, if indeed they ever did. It’s the lads obsessing about it who probably have difficulty getting to sleep - anger and frustration aren’t conducive to quality snoozies

18-04-2021 7:43pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'source' could be the cleaner.

The DPP will decide on this not the Gardai.

You have to sit on tenderhooks for a while longer. Not a good look.

No tender hooks from the government,right from the start, when faced with what they believe to be mischief making posibilties available to any Tom ,Dick or Paddy Cosgrave
They're steadfast

I do think though the cohort vested so much in this boxset may look for another as we are on the penultimate episode and the British times have leaked the seies finale today

18-04-2021 7:56pm

A lot of anger out there today about this from the pirate flag gang over on Twitter. Must be the bad weather as they’ve gotten even madder as the day has worn on. Threatening journalists really is bad stuff though. It’s real gouger stuff. Lie down with dogs and wake up with fleas.

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 8:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

A lot of anger out there today about this from the pirate flag gang over on Twitter. Must be the bad weather as they’ve gotten even madder as the day has worn on. Threatening journalists really is bad stuff though. It’s real gouger stuff. Lie down with dogs and wake up with fleas.

Where's all this anger and threats? Any links?

Ted_YNWA · 18-04-2021 8:15pm

Mod - off topic post deleted.

Please bring general criticism of government to the relevant thread

18-04-2021 8:15pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where's all this anger and threats? Any links?

https://twitter.com/michael83772106/status/1383338296302968837?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidintheforc1/status/1383039227781378055?s=21

https://twitter.com/uladhgael/status/1383012575961563136?s=21

https://twitter.com/kevintoconnor/status/1383173659972493312?s=21

https://twitter.com/david_dmulvaney/status/1382387812184551426?s=21

https://twitter.com/greenfield4242/status/1382406693745754115?s=21

https://twitter.com/kpgumbo/status/1382437636170780673?s=21

Brendan Bendar · 18-04-2021 8:22pm

Middle Stump, Doc.

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 8:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/michael83772106/status/1383338296302968837?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidintheforc1/status/1383039227781378055?s=21

https://twitter.com/uladhgael/status/1383012575961563136?s=21

https://twitter.com/kevintoconnor/status/1383173659972493312?s=21

https://twitter.com/david_dmulvaney/status/1382387812184551426?s=21

https://twitter.com/greenfield4242/status/1382406693745754115?s=21

https://twitter.com/kpgumbo/status/1382437636170780673?s=21

I'm seeing the crude language of social media, not many 'threats' though. Exaggerating much Doc?

TomsOnTheRoof · 18-04-2021 8:40pm

Of more concern is the rubbish that passes for journalism these days. Our tánaiste is the subject of a criminal investigation and idiots like Ryan engage in whataboutism and deflection . It's shameful.

The nonsense being spouted on this thread is incredibly depressing. People should be angry and people should be curious and that curiosity should not be satisfied until there is a reasonable answer for our tánaiste leaking government documents. We're quickly descending into tribal politics in this country and that is incredibly dangerous. Everybody should be accountable. Everybody.

It was the same with golfgate. There we had a flagrant breach of the separation of powers, along with covid restrictions, and pockets of the public and media were telling us to get over it.

You only need to have a quick look to see the way things are going globally, Britain has descended into a despotic ****hole and Australia is right behind them. The less said about the US the better and as for Eastern Europe... That's what happens when politics descends into pathetic point scoring and tribalism. People need to stop treating political parties like football teams. Don't excuse poor behaviour just because "your side" is under attack. Demand accountability.

Rant over.

18-04-2021 8:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/michael83772106/status/1383338296302968837?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidintheforc1/status/1383039227781378055?s=21

https://twitter.com/uladhgael/status/1383012575961563136?s=21

https://twitter.com/kevintoconnor/status/1383173659972493312?s=21

https://twitter.com/david_dmulvaney/status/1382387812184551426?s=21

https://twitter.com/greenfield4242/status/1382406693745754115?s=21

https://twitter.com/kpgumbo/status/1382437636170780673?s=21

I HATE Twitter dumps. They dilute any argument. This is Boards. Not Twitter.
Rant over!

Jinglejangle69 · 18-04-2021 9:01pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I HATE Twitter dumps. They dilute any argument. This is Boards. Not Twitter.
Rant over!

Twitter is a cesspit.

Pity anyone who follows that garbage.

thomas 123 · 18-04-2021 9:03pm

A few weeks ago it wants true if it wasn’t trending on Twitter ... which is it folks ?

Larbre34 · 18-04-2021 9:06pm

I wish rants would be over.

Rant over.

happyoutscan · 18-04-2021 10:36pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm seeing the crude language of social media, not many 'threats' though. Exaggerating much Doc?

Exactly.

markodaly · 18-04-2021 11:46pm

jmcc wrote: »

"Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has been questioned by gardaí over the leaking of a confidential Government document, while detectives also took possession of the Fine Gael leader’s mobile phone after he handed it over in a major upscaling of the investigation." Sindo. 18/April/2021.

Varadkar was interviewed under caution on April 9th. His friend, O'Toole, was interviewed on April 5th. The pro-FG media has been pushing a non-story about an SF electoral database and has completely avoided the story about Varadkar being questioned under caution and his mobile phone being surrendered.

Regards...jmcc

By completely avoiding a story, you mean having it covered on two major Sunday Newspapers and RTE?

I know you have mad conspiracy theories about the Irish media, very Trumpian views on Mainstream media being in the pocket of FG while they give out about poor SF. But your last point is nonsense and false.

There is no conspiracy at play here.

markodaly · 18-04-2021 11:50pm

jmcc wrote: »

Really? I would have thought that you were a Sunday Independent reader.

The point is that Varadkar was interviewed under caution on April 9th. The pro-FG media had avoided that story and had instead run with the non-story by Varadkar's hagiographer about the SF electoral database. One wonders what other bad FG news they are trying to hide? Any comments?

Regards...jmcc

Oh, so anything negative about SF is a 'non-story', even though the DPC is investigating the Abu database and SF has taken the DB offline because it breached GDPR.... that non-story.....?

That line may get great traction on Social Media where loads of angry people vent but here on boards.ie you will get called out on it.

markodaly · 18-04-2021 11:54pm

RandomName2 wrote: »

Just stuck my head in quickly to see if the quality had improved.

In fairness I don't see any echo defense, but the 'But Sinn Fein' defense is in full flow. 'How dare they mention X about Sinn Fein!'.
Er.. Spanish Civil War.

Using the Independent covering the story today as evidence of the Independent being unwilling to cover it is an interesting.. sorry.. I mean 'fascinating' take.

What else is here..
Denis O'Brien

Margaret Thatcher

General Franco.

Look, it's really dumpster quality, but I think it's genuinely unfair to criticize it as it is showing a bit of originality and effort, it's not just saying the same thing over and over again in order to avoid answering questions.

I have to agree, this is thread is just another, "I want to give out about FG" thread.
We have one of those.

The thread should be locked unless there are any new developments, imo.

markodaly · 18-04-2021 11:57pm

jmcc wrote: »

T

The same journalists who took 9 days to report that Varadkar had been interviewed under caution by the Gardai?

Classic.

In a thread about a leak, you are giving out that Gardai didn't leak to a journalist sooner than 9 days?

Classic, just classic! :pac:

markodaly · 18-04-2021 11:59pm

skimpydoo wrote: »

Ah the Mother and Babys home in Tuam?

Ah, that old chestnut.
What political party buried babies in Tuam.

markodaly · 19-04-2021 12:03am

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

You only need to have a quick look to see the way things are going globally, Britain has descended into a despotic ****hole and Australia is right behind them. The less said about the US the better and as for Eastern Europe... That's what happens when politics descends into pathetic point scoring and tribalism. People need to stop treating political parties like football teams. Don't excuse poor behaviour just because "your side" is under attack. Demand accountability.

Are you going to demand accountability from other political parties or just FG?
Because its a nice idea and all, but unless you are even-handed with your critiques then its pointless.

jmcc · 19-04-2021 12:23am

markodaly wrote: »

By completely avoiding a story, you mean having it covered on two major Sunday Newspapers and RTE?

O'Toole was interviewed on April 5th. Varadkar was interviewed on April 9th. The story about them being interviewed was published on April 18th. Between April 9th and April 18th, Varadkar's hagiographer was banging the drum about SF's electoral register database.

Regards...jmcc

skimpydoo · 19-04-2021 12:29am

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, that old chestnut.
What political party buried babies in Tuam.

FF & FG let it go on under their watch.

skimpydoo · 19-04-2021 12:33am

It's worth noting the Sindo journalist who wrote the Leo interview story was also one of the journalists that broke the story that Leo was moving home because of death threats.

golfball37 · 19-04-2021 2:56am

Is it true it took the Gardai two days to sift through all the selfies on his phone?

Brendan Bendar · 19-04-2021 4:42am

skimpydoo wrote: »

FF & FG let it go on under their watch.

Along with everyone else in the country at the time.

My friend, everybody at the time was‘culpable’ by tacitly ignoring what went on.You cannot pin blame exclusively on any one part of society.

It was the way things were at the time .

Trying to hang blame on politicians is way too simple.

It eventually evolved like most things do.

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 7:56am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Along with everyone else in the country at the time.

My friend, everybody at the time was‘culpable’ by tacitly ignoring what went on.You cannot pin blame exclusively on any one part of society.

It was the way things were at the time .

Trying to hang blame on politicians is way too simple.

It eventually evolved like most things do.

'Everybody' was not responsible Brendi - that was the responsibility of those we elected to be responsible.
Turning around and 'blaming de people' just because you don't want to take responsibility is not good enough.
The political class, because of curse there was a benefit to them, allowed the church the unscrutinised position they had. The buck stops with them.
The same kind of excusing is going on for what Leo confessed to - 'shure everyone does it, it's not Leo's fault', sorry lad, the buck stops with Leo on this one.

19-04-2021 7:58am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Everybody' was not responsible Brendi - that was the responsibility of those we elected to be responsible.
Turning around and 'blaming de people' just because you don't want to take responsibility is not good enough.
The political class, because of curse there was a benefit to them, allowed the church the unscrutinised position they had. The buck stops with them.
The same kind of excusing is going on for what Leo confessed to - 'shure everyone does it, it's not Leo's fault', sorry lad, the buck stops with Leo on this one.

Can you point to any evidence, any at all that politicians at the time, hired nuns and priests to kill babies
Because that's basically what you are saying with this nonsense

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 8:01am

Marine Layer wrote: »

Can you point to any evidence, any at all that politicians at the time, hired nuns and priests to kill babies
Because that's basically what you are saying with this nonsense

'Hired nuns and priests to kill babies'???

Not enough coffee yet Marine?

:D

19-04-2021 8:03am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Hired nuns and priests to kill babies'???

Not enough coffee yet Marine? :D

No evidence so? Just blaze statements applying today's standards to decades ago

xl500 · 19-04-2021 8:05am

Marine Layer wrote: »

Can you point to any evidence, any at all that politicians at the time, hired nuns and priests to kill babies
Because that's basically what you are saying with this nonsense

No But Agents of the state ie Gardai delivered Pregnant Mothers into these homes

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 8:07am

Marine Layer wrote: »

No evidence so? Just blaze statements applying today's standards to decades ago

Now we get a splash of 'the standards were different then' handwash.

What year can we apply responsibility from Marine?

19-04-2021 8:08am

xl500 wrote: »

No But Agents of the state ie Gardai delivered Pregnant Mothers into these homes

On a contract for death and torture? Have you evidence of this knowingly done?

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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