Rushed Covid 19 vaccine

FutureTeashock · 13-09-2020 5:27pm

King Mob wrote: »

But you said it was a valid reason for rejecting the vaccine.

Do you not believe the bible predicted these vaccines?
Are the people who do believe that wrong?

People can choose any reason they like for rejecting the vaccine, so yes, it is valid.

I'm not religious, but it's none of my business if people choose to believe the bible.

Who are you to dictate to people what they believe or think?

LLMMLL · 13-09-2020 5:31pm

King Mob wrote: »

It was started elsewhere.
By someone who believes the mark of the beast angle is reasonable.

It's pretty representative I think.

Yes CT crazies have access to other forums. That doesn't mean their views are representative. The thread was quickly moved to CT and now the balance is more crazies and less reasonable people. What a shocker. This thread is not evidence of what the vaccine uptake will be it why it will be that way.

briany · 13-09-2020 5:33pm

King Mob wrote: »

But shouldn't that choice be based on good information and clear thinking?

What if the reason they don't want to get the vaccine isn't true (like the idea that it's a giant world government plot as predicted in the bible.)?
I guess we're not allowed to point that out or explain why it isn't true cause it will interfere with their choice?

In the case of religious reasons such as believing an enforced vaccine to be the mark of the beast, as foretold in the Book of Revelation, it probably wouldn't work to explain why it isn't true. People who are talking about the mark of the beast have made certain fundamental assumptions/leaps of faith about the moral/spiritual supremacy of the Bible which underpins their world view, even though there's no post-script at the back of the book (that I know of) which reads, "And all herein is definitely true - signed, God", just like nothing of the sort appears at the back of the Koran, or the Torah, or the Vedic texts.

LLMMLL · 13-09-2020 5:34pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Measles is making a comeback because this exact problem exists. There are a multitude of reasons why people refuse vaccines, many of these "reasons" are related to vaccine-denial disinfo, and increasingly many are linked to this new wave of "vaccine skepticism", aka the art of casting doubt of vaccine effectiveness

It's all underscored by a lack of understanding by lay-people, some of whom falsely believe they know as much or more than the consensus of medical science. Often these people display the same traits of not trusting authority (experts, researchers, regulators, etc) and instead turning to internet "info" on the subject. Likewise, they are often easily manipulated by isolated cases, or isolated "experts", rather than anything systematic.

Measles is not making a comeback "because this exact problem exists". It is making a comeback for the reasons you go o to state. Those reasons have nothing to do with the crazy mark of the beast stuff which is what I am talking about.

Dohnjoe · 13-09-2020 5:37pm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

People can choose any reason they like for rejecting the vaccine, so yes, it is valid.

I'm not religious, but it's none of my business if people choose to believe the bible.

Who are you to dictate to people what they believe or think?

Unfortunately some people are morons and will believe nonsense. When it comes to conspiracy theories, most of it is fairly harmless, but when it comes to medical beliefs, then yes it can be dangerous

Hundreds of people have died due to fake Covid cures. When it comes to medical matters, unfortunately people have to be protected from their own stupidity and lack of knowledge and absurd beliefs

Dohnjoe · 13-09-2020 5:40pm

LLMMLL wrote: »

Measles is not making a comeback "because this exact problem exists". It is making a comeback for the reasons you go o to state. Those reasons have nothing to do with the crazy mark of the beast stuff which is what I am talking about.

Then you are misunderstanding my post completely if you believe I am solely referring to "crazy mark of the beast stuff".

There is far more subtle disinformation about vaccines and medical science in general than "biblical prophecies and so on"

FutureTeashock · 13-09-2020 5:49pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Unfortunately some people are morons and will believe nonsense. When it comes to conspiracy theories, most of it is fairly harmless, but when it comes to medical beliefs, then yes it can be dangerous

Hundreds of people have died due to fake Covid cures. When it comes to medical matters, unfortunately people have to be protected from their own stupidity and lack of knowledge and absurd beliefs

A large chunk of society won't take the vaccine and there is nothing you can do about it.

You need to come to terms with that fact and accept it. Have you tried counselling?

LLMMLL · 13-09-2020 5:49pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Then you are misunderstanding my post completely if you believe I am solely referring to "crazy mark of the beast stuff".

There is far more subtle disinformation about vaccines and medical science in general than "biblical prophecies and so on"

Yes i completely agree. But I'm not talking about those things in any of my posts so I'm not sure why you keep quoting me.

LessOutragePlz · 13-09-2020 5:54pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Hundreds of people have died due to fake Covid cures. When it comes to medical matters, unfortunately people have to be protected from their own stupidity and lack of knowledge and absurd beliefs

How do you know that hundreds of people have died due to fake Covid cures?

Dohnjoe · 13-09-2020 6:02pm

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How do you know that hundreds of people have died due to fake Covid cures?

Multiple news reports based on research, thousands have been hospitalised.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53755067

It's all part of the misinformation "epidemic", e.g. some people will trust social media more than their GP
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/technology/coronavirus-disinformation-doctors.html

LessOutragePlz · 13-09-2020 6:19pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Multiple news reports based on research, thousands have been hospitalised.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53755067

It's all part of the misinformation "epidemic", e.g. some people will trust social media more than their GP
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/technology/coronavirus-disinformation-doctors.html

Jaysus that's scary but I'm afraid anyone that trusts social media more than their GP only have themselves to blame for the consequences of their actions.

Dohnjoe · 13-09-2020 6:29pm

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Jaysus that's scary but I'm afraid anyone that trusts social media more than their GP only have themselves to blame for the consequences of their actions.

Indeed and non-ironically in a safe space thread on social media in a forum that specialises in disinfo

LessOutragePlz · 13-09-2020 6:39pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Indeed and non-ironically in a safe space thread on social media in a forum that specialises in disinfo

Hahaha

I'd like to think that most people in here would believe their GP over social media but if their GP tells them to take a vaccine and social media tells them not to take it, I think it's safe to say that they'll be going with the advice that they've gotten on social media.

FutureTeashock · 13-09-2020 6:42pm

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Hahaha I'd like to think that most people in here would believe their GP over social media but if their GP tells them to take a vaccine and social media tells them not to take it, I think it's safe to say that they'll be going with the advice that they've gotten on social media.

The GPs are financially incentivised to vaccinate people, they receive a payment per dose administered.

Dohnjoe · 13-09-2020 7:06pm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

The GPs are financially incentivised to vaccinate people, they receive a payment per dose administered.

Case and point.

FutureTeashock · 13-09-2020 7:12pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Case and point.

Irish GPs paid five times UK rate for flu vaccine

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-gps-paid-five-times-uk-rate-for-flu-vaccine-1.743055

Game.Set.Match.

LessOutragePlz · 13-09-2020 7:12pm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

The GPs are financially incentivised to vaccinate people, they receive a payment per dose administered.

Do this include all GPs worldwide including Irish GPs?

And if so, have you got anything to support this pay per jab theory?

Edit: I've seen your post before mine.

storker · 13-09-2020 10:17pm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Irish GPs paid five times UK rate for flu vaccine

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-gps-paid-five-times-uk-rate-for-flu-vaccine-1.743055

Game.Set.Match.

Do you imagine that using a big font makes your claims more true? :rolleyes:

By the way, it takes more than announcing a win to have actually proved something. All your claim proves, if true, is that Irish GPs get paid more for vaccinations. It proves nothing about GPs' opinions about the safety or efficacy of a vaccine, and it does not prove that GP's will break their Hippocratic oath in order to secure such payments.

What you've got there is not evidence but innuendo, the stock-in-trade of the conspiracy theorist. Far from game, set and match, you haven't even lifted the ball out of your own court...

Dohnjoe · 13-09-2020 10:37pm

storker wrote: »

Do you imagine that using a big font makes your claims more true? :rolleyes:

By the way, it takes more than announcing a win to have actually proved something. All your claim proves, if true, is that Irish GPs get paid more for vaccinations. It proves nothing about GPs' opinions about the safety or efficacy of a vaccine, and it does not prove that GP's will break their Hippocratic oath in order to secure such payments.

What you've got there is not evidence but innuendo, the stock-in-trade of the conspiracy theorist. Far from game, set and match, you haven't even lifted the ball out of your own court...

To pose the usual CT style questions

Why are GP's paid per shot then? What's to stop your local GP administering shots all the time and raking it in? (38 quid a pop not bad)

Who are they getting this pay-per-shot money from?

FutureTeashock · 13-09-2020 10:38pm

storker wrote: »

Do you imagine that using a big font makes your claims more true? :rolleyes:

By the way, it takes more than announcing a win to have actually proved something. All your claim proves, if true, is that Irish GPs get paid more for vaccinations. It proves nothing about GPs' opinions about the safety or efficacy of a vaccine, and it does not prove that GP's will break their Hippocratic oath in order to secure such payments.

What you've got there is not evidence but innuendo, the stock-in-trade of the conspiracy theorist. Far from game, set and match, you haven't even lifted the ball out of your own court...

IT IS WIDELY assumed that all medical doctors take the Hippocratic Oath. However, the oath is no longer administered in most medical schools worldwide, including Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/worrying-undercurrent-of-economics-in-debate-on-euthanasia-1.687638#:~:text=IT%20IS%20WIDELY%20assumed%20that,medical%20schools%20worldwide%2C%20including%20Ireland.&text=The%20Greek%20physician%20Hippocrates%20(460,as%20the%20father%20of%20medicine.

storker · 13-09-2020 10:42pm

FutureTeashock wrote: »

IT IS WIDELY assumed that all medical doctors take the Hippocratic Oath. However, the oath is no longer administered in most medical schools worldwide, including Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/worrying-undercurrent-of-economics-in-debate-on-euthanasia-1.687638#:~:text=IT%20IS%20WIDELY%20assumed%20that,medical%20schools%20worldwide%2C%20including%20Ireland.&text=The%20Greek%20physician%20Hippocrates%20(460,as%20the%20father%20of%20medicine.

Interesting, but your claims still only amount to innuendo. Is that all you have?

King Mob · 13-09-2020 11:41pm

Frist few posts
"Don't lump me in with those wackjobs who believe in those wacky conspiracies."

Now
"All doctors are involved in the conspiracy to give everyone vaccines and are getting bribed to promote and administer them"

Dionaibh · 13-09-2020 11:59pm

Bit off point, but I found the following letter interesting:

https://www.corbettreport.com/letter/

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 12:10am

Dionaibh wrote: »

Bit off point, but I found the following letter interesting:

https://www.corbettreport.com/letter/

James Corbett is a conspiracy theorist crank merchant who makes a living creating and fueling conspiracy and doomsday alarmism to sell to paranoid people. It's a fairly lucrative business, Alex Jones has made a fortune from it. Don't forget to subscribe to his site or buy his DVD's.

FutureTeashock · 14-09-2020 12:12am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

James Corbett is a conspiracy theorist crank merchant who makes a living creating and fueling conspiracy and doomsday alarmism to sell to paranoid people. It's a fairly lucrative business, Alex Jones has made a fortune from it. Don't forget to subscribe to his site or buy his DVD's.

And the vaccine developers are philanthropists. Of course.

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 12:22am

FutureTeashock wrote: »

And the vaccine developers are philanthropists. Of course.

You already seem to believe that doctors are taking part in some unspecified immunization scam. Are you suggesting there is an issue with vaccine development, if yes, what is it exactly?

I would prefer not to have innuendo extrapolated from an article thanks, just the details of what you may be suggesting

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 12:25am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

James Corbett is a conspiracy theorist crank merchant who makes a living creating and fueling conspiracy and doomsday alarmism to sell to paranoid people. It's a fairly lucrative business, Alex Jones has made a fortune from it. Don't forget to subscribe to his site or buy his DVD's.

I don't know much about Mr Corbett, but I found the letter to be written from the heart. One has only to look around the world to see that liberty and freedom are either gone (see Melbourne) or under grave threat.

Tony EH · 14-09-2020 12:33am

First of all, Anti vaxers are morons. Just like flat earthers. Noel Browne wiped out TB in this country with a vaccination program and ended a situation that affected nearly every family in Ireland. Many of which had lost members to the disease. So, vaccines work and work well.

HOWEVER...

In saying that, I think everybody should be wary of a rushed Covid vaccine, by virtue of the fact that this disease is less than a year old. Or, at least, less than a year in circulation. There is still so, so, much that we don't understand about it and the idea of a vaccine being magically produced is a pure fantasy.

I know I won't be lining up to take anything.

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-09-2020 12:37am

Dionaibh wrote: »

I don't know much about Mr Corbett, but I found the letter to be written from the heart. One has only to look around the world to see that liberty and freedom are either gone (see Melbourne) or under grave threat.

The Melbourne event is interesting, one reporter today described it as almost indistinguishable from what is happening to protesters in Belarus.

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 12:47am

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

The Melbourne event is interesting, one reporter today described it as almost indistinguishable from what is happening to protesters in Belarus.

Yes, it is frightening to witness freedom being extinguished in front of our very eyes. I never thought I'd live to see the day. Andrews has taken to referring to protestors "selfish".

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 1:03am

A heartbreaking and deeply distressing article by Jack Mordes (article is behind a paywall) in which he compares Victoria with the Poland he fled from:

"The restrictions in Victoria on our movements, our work, and even our thoughts bring back chilling memories for those of us who escaped totalitarian regimes. My family and I left Poland for Melbourne in 1981, fleeing martial law imposed by dictator General Wojciech Jaruzelski, who was determined to hold on to power and crush the rise of the Solidarity movement. Poland at that stage was firmly ruled by the communist leader in alliance with the Soviet Union. However, the independent trade union Solidarity, led by Lech Walesa and supported by Pope John Paul II, was gathering support from everyday people.

The communists couldn’t risk the Solidarity movement gaining more ground so hit back with restrictions under martial law to prevent further dissent. Those martial law restrictions enacted by Jaruzelski in 1981 are oddly similar to those Victorians are living with under Daniel Andrews’s rule four decades on.

There was a 10pm curfew with police patrols enforcing zero tolerance. Borders were closed. Movement between cities and regions was prohibited unless you carried a special permit. Classes in schools and universities were suspended. Telephone communications were monitored. Opposition activists were arrested, many without charge. The police (called the Militia) became an arm of the government.

The Poland we left was in turmoil. The economy was failing, with food shortages commonplace. Protests were on the rise as Poles were restless that they bore the cost of the government’s failures. The effect of martial law was to punish all citizens for the government’s — and the socialist system’s — failures. Jaruzelski’s priority was to hold on to power rather than address the failings of his government.

Many families engaged in silent but brave protest by placing lit candles in their windows after curfew. Thousands of candles flickering in apartment windows were a poignant sign of a people lamenting lost freedoms, together in silence. I remember my mother and father being nervous in expressing their views on the government to others, even close friends, for fear of being denounced to the authorities. At school, we were taught to follow the example of Pavlik Morozov, a Russian boy who denounced his father to the Soviet authorities and was killed for it by his family. He was held up as a hero. For my parents, the prospect of being reported to the authorities by their own child must have been terrifying. The socialist system aimed at supplanting family loyalty with loyalty to the state."

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 10:52am

Dionaibh wrote: »

A heartbreaking and deeply distressing article by Jack Mordes (article is behind a paywall) in which he compares Victoria with the Poland he fled from:

"The restrictions in Victoria on our movements, our work, and even our thoughts bring back chilling memories for those of us who escaped totalitarian regimes. My family and I left Poland for Melbourne in 1981, fleeing martial law imposed by dictator General Wojciech Jaruzelski, who was determined to hold on to power and crush the rise of the Solidarity movement. Poland at that stage was firmly ruled by the communist leader in alliance with the Soviet Union. However, the independent trade union Solidarity, led by Lech Walesa and supported by Pope John Paul II, was gathering support from everyday people.

The communists couldn’t risk the Solidarity movement gaining more ground so hit back with restrictions under martial law to prevent further dissent. Those martial law restrictions enacted by Jaruzelski in 1981 are oddly similar to those Victorians are living with under Daniel Andrews’s rule four decades on.

There was a 10pm curfew with police patrols enforcing zero tolerance. Borders were closed. Movement between cities and regions was prohibited unless you carried a special permit. Classes in schools and universities were suspended. Telephone communications were monitored. Opposition activists were arrested, many without charge. The police (called the Militia) became an arm of the government.

The Poland we left was in turmoil. The economy was failing, with food shortages commonplace. Protests were on the rise as Poles were restless that they bore the cost of the government’s failures. The effect of martial law was to punish all citizens for the government’s — and the socialist system’s — failures. Jaruzelski’s priority was to hold on to power rather than address the failings of his government.

Many families engaged in silent but brave protest by placing lit candles in their windows after curfew. Thousands of candles flickering in apartment windows were a poignant sign of a people lamenting lost freedoms, together in silence. I remember my mother and father being nervous in expressing their views on the government to others, even close friends, for fear of being denounced to the authorities. At school, we were taught to follow the example of Pavlik Morozov, a Russian boy who denounced his father to the Soviet authorities and was killed for it by his family. He was held up as a hero. For my parents, the prospect of being reported to the authorities by their own child must have been terrifying. The socialist system aimed at supplanting family loyalty with loyalty to the state."

Christ, please tell me this fruitcake isn't actually comparing the lockdown with martial law in Communist Poland in the 80's

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 11:37am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Christ, please tell me this fruitcake isn't actually comparing the lockdown with martial law in Communist Poland in the 80's

Not only the journalist, but a lot of the people who commented on the article who also fled from Communist Poland. Wouldn't they know? They went through hell, and now they're going through it all over again. Some even say it's worse. There is almost zero freedom in Victoria. I don't know why people rage at the very obvious reality that we have ceased to be free people. The only possible reason I can think of is that the reality is so unbearable and distressing that it's better to, as Dylan Thomas wrote, "rage, rage against the dying of the light".

A link to the full article (shouldn't be behind a paywall): https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/victoria-is-reminding-me-of-poland-in-1981/news-story/5300d2c901efe3fc3a74022973b5f214

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 11:56am

Dionaibh wrote: »

Not only the journalist, but a lot of the people who commented on the article who also fled from Communist Poland. Wouldn't they know? They went through hell, and now they're going through it all over again.

They aren't going through it again. Communist Poland was an authoritarian government suppressing people's freedoms to enforce martial law for political reasons

Combating a contagious virus with common sense measures like social distancing and masks and lockdown literally has nothing to do with that.

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 12:01pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

They aren't going through it again. Communist Poland was an authoritarian government suppressing people's freedoms to enforce martial law for political reasons

Combating a contagious virus with common sense measures like social distancing and masks and lockdown literally has nothing to do with that.

Then why did the people who fled from Communist Poland who commented on the article say it's identical, or even worse, from the hell they experienced? Wouldn't they know?

Common sense? A pregnant woman was arrested for a Facebook post, the corona police are everywhere and have been putting muzzles on people who dare to protest the tyranny they're living under. Andrews has the people living under a curfew and they have to wear muzzles everywhere. That's common sense? People are terrified and the people who fled Communist Poland who commented on the article say it reminds them of the hell they escaped from. Are they imagining it?

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 12:18pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

Then why did the people who fled from Communist Poland who commented on the article say it's identical, or even worse, from the hell they experienced? Wouldn't they know?

These are just people from the internet, I wouldn't put much stock in the "article" or the comments.

Common sense? A pregnant woman was arrested for a Facebook post, the corona police are everywhere and have been putting muzzles on people who dare to protest the tyranny they're living under. Andrews has the people living under a curfew and they have to wear muzzles everywhere. That's common sense? People are terrified and the people who fled Communist Poland who commented on the article say it reminds them of the hell they escaped from. Are they imagining it?

There is no such thing as "Corona police" or "muzzles".

I'm going to try to explain this very simply. You are the e.g. elected leader of an island of 1,000 people. The world gets a pandemic, you know you only have one small hospital, so your island can't afford to get this virus.

You stop non-essential travel to and from the island, why? to prevent people from bringing the virus to the island
You get all travellers tested and get arrivals to self-quarantine for 2 weeks, why? to stop the virus from getting to the island

Now, let's imagine the virus gets to your island
You get people to wear masks, why? because the virus is spread on droplets when we cough (and possibly even finer aerosols)
You get people to socially distance, why? because the virus spreads when people are in close proximity
You allow a max of 2 households to meet up why? because it mitigates the spread of the virus

Out the population of 1000, there are 100 ignorant and stupid people on the island. They don't follow these guidelines. They don't wear masks, they conjugate at parties, they help spread the virus.

So you have to make these guidelines into enforceable rules. You need police to enforce these rules. You are responsible for protecting these stupid ignorant people from their own ignorance, and you are responsible to protect the rest of the socially responsible people from these stupid ignorant people

Does any part of that not make sense to you?

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 12:42pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

These are just people from the internet, I wouldn't put much stock in the "article" or the comments.

There is no such thing as "Corona police" or "muzzles".

I'm going to try to explain this very simply. You are the e.g. elected leader of an island of 1,000 people. The world gets a pandemic, you know you only have one small hospital, so your island can't afford to get this virus.

You stop non-essential travel to and from the island, why? to prevent people from bringing the virus to the island
You get all travellers tested and get arrivals to self-quarantine for 2 weeks, why? to stop the virus from getting to the island

Now, let's imagine the virus gets to your island
You get people to wear masks, why? because the virus is spread on droplets when we cough (and possibly even finer aerosols)
You get people to socially distance, why? because the virus spreads when people are in close proximity
You allow a max of 2 households to meet up why? because it mitigates the spread of the virus

Out the population of 1000, there are 100 ignorant and stupid people on the island. They don't follow these guidelines. They don't wear masks, they conjugate at parties, they help spread the virus.

So you have to make these guidelines into enforceable rules. You need police to enforce these rules. You are responsible for protecting these stupid ignorant people from their own ignorance, and you are responsible to protect the rest of the socially responsible people from these stupid ignorant people

Does any part of that not make sense to you?

They're not just any old people commenting on an article. They are people who experienced life in Communist Poland and who think, just as the journalist does, that Victoria resembles, or is worse, than Communist Poland. Surely their opinion carries weight. If anyone would know what tyranny is, then surely it's people who experienced it. A question for you: why are they saying that it's identical to, or worse than, Communist Poland?

In Victoria, people are confined to their homes 23 hours a day, live under a ghastly curfew, live in constant fear of the corona police (that's what they have become) entering their home without a warrant and arresting them for Facebook posts, can't go further than two miles from their home, businesses have been destroyed, mental health is in bits, and that tyrant Andrews keeps moving the goalposts. It's totally disproportionate. This virus is harmless to 99.9% of people, and is quite clearly being used as a cover for destroying freedom and changing the way we live. The corrupt WHO today announced that they're going to agree on a five year plan for "living with COVID". Do you fancy another five years of this hell? All over a virus that, for all intents and purposes, has disappeared from the West.

In answer to your question, none of it makes any sense to me. This is not a pandemic. The numbers have been inflated all over the world, 6% of people in the US died directly from the virus. It is dangerous to a tiny percentage of the population.

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 12:56pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

They're not just any old people commenting on an article. They are people who experienced life in Communist Poland and who think, just as the journalist does, that Victoria resembles, or is worse, than Communist Poland. Surely their opinion carries weight. If anyone would know what tyranny is, then surely it's people who experienced it. A question for you: why are they saying that it's identical to, or worse than, Communist Poland?

A pandemic has nothing to do with that political situation.

Being forced to stay indoors because there is a contagious virus is not the same as being forced to stay indoors because of some tyrannical government. They are two completely different scenarios.

In answer to your question, none of it makes any sense to me. This is not a pandemic.

Exactly, you appear to have no idea what's going on. Hazarding a guess this is possibly because instead of reading the news, you read conspiracy and fear-mongering sites.

Here is a simple straightforward question. Why are we wearing masks? (clue: it has nothing to do with politics)

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 1:07pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

A pandemic has nothing to do with that political situation.

Being forced to stay indoors because there is a contagious virus is not the same as being forced to stay indoors because of some tyrannical government. They are two completely different scenarios.

Exactly, you appear to have no idea what's going on. Hazarding a guess this is possibly because instead of reading the news, you read conspiracy and fear-mongering sites.

Here is a simple straightforward question. Why are we wearing masks? (clue: it has nothing to do with politics)

But you didn't answer the question. Why do you think people who experienced life in Communist Poland saying that Victoria 2020 is the same as, or worse, than Communist Poland? Forget about the number of people who are saying it. Why are the people who commented on that article, and the author of the article, saying that Victoria 2020 is the same as, or worse than, Communist Poland? Are they off their rocker?

Is the WEF's site a conspiracy site? They're going about resetting the planet. Indeed, they had their "COVID action plan" ready to go the day after WHO declared a pandemic. Interesting, isn't it? Almost as if they knew.

Is the UN's own website, where there are details of a concert in which a choir sang a song that contained the lyrics "a new world behind closed doors", a conspiracy site? But apparently there's nothing to worry about because "a new world order behind closed doors" means "a new world at home".

The purpose of masks, in my opinion, is to dehumanise people and to prepare people for not being able to enter shops, public buildings, or use public transport unless vaccinated, or, worse, unless their health passport flashes green.

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 1:26pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

But you didn't answer the question. Why do you think people who experienced life in Communist Poland saying that Victoria 2020 is the same as, or worse, than Communist Poland?

It's someone's opinion on the internet, with other internet commentators.

Is the WEF's site a conspiracy site? They're going about resetting the planet.

This has been explained to you. You don't understand the explanation. No one can help you with that.

Indeed, they had their "COVID action plan" ready to go the day after WHO declared a pandemic.

Of course, Covid was around before it was officially declared a pandemic.

Is the UN's own website, where there are details of a concert in which a choir sang a song that contained the lyrics "a new world behind closed doors",

This has been explained to you, you don't understand the explanation, again, no one can help you with this

The purpose of masks, in my opinion, is to dehumanise people

No. The purpose of a mask is to try to prevent others from catching the disease. For example, when we cough, we produce droplets, the virus can be carried on those droplets and infect others. A mask reduces the risk of transmission of the virus.

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 1:31pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's someone's opinion on the internet, with other internet commentators.

This has been explained to you. You don't understand the explanation. No one can help you with that.

Of course, Covid was around before it was officially declared a pandemic.

This has been explained to you, you don't understand the explanation, again, no one can help you with this

No. The purpose of a mask is to try to prevent others from catching the disease. For example, when we cough, we produce droplets, the virus can be carried on those droplets and infect others. A mask reduces the risk of transmission of the virus.

Yes, but they are people who experienced life in Communist Poland and who believe Victoria to be the same as, or worse than Communist Poland. Shouldn't their opinion carry weight?

Nobody has explained The Great Reset, in my opinion. I believe it to be a push for global control. THE UN's calling for global governance and a new world order behind closed doors strengthens that belief.

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 1:36pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

Nobody has explained The Great Reset, in my opinion. I believe it to be a push for global control. THE UN's calling for global governance and a new world order behind closed doors strengthens that belief.

At least you recognise that your view is an opinion. It should be said that nobody has explained that the earth is round to people who believe it's flat. The fact that they can't understand or don't want to understand the explanation is their own issue.

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 1:46pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

At least you recognise that your view is an opinion. It should be said that nobody has explained that the earth is round to people who believe it's flat. The fact that they can't understand or don't want to understand the explanation is their own issue.

But do you know how far-reaching The Great Reset is? They're talking about resetting every aspect of human behaviour and society. Klaus Schwab even wrote a book about it. They're serious about changing the world. We have no idea what awaits us. Think Venezuela. Schwab even said that capitalism could do with a touch with Marxism. No matter how many times it's been proven to be disastrous, socialism has a horrible habit of reappearing.

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 1:47pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

At least you recognise that your view is an opinion. It should be said that nobody has explained that the earth is round to people who believe it's flat. The fact that they can't understand or don't want to understand the explanation is their own issue.

It's an opinion, and does not carry weight. But when people who experience Communist Poland say that Victoria is identical to it, or worse than it, I think their opinion should carry weight.

King Mob · 14-09-2020 2:11pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

The purpose of masks, in my opinion, is to dehumanise people and to prepare people for not being able to enter shops, public buildings, or use public transport unless vaccinated, or, worse, unless their health passport flashes green.

Again, thank you for demonstrating exactly the type of bizarre and paranoid claims that reasonable people don't want to have anything to do with.

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 2:28pm

King Mob wrote: »

Again, thank you for demonstrating exactly the type of bizarre and paranoid claims that reasonable people don't want to have anything to do with.

Nothing paranoid about the coming health passport. If the idea of a health passport doesn't horrify you then I don't know what will.

Most reasonable people wouldn't continue to dismiss the overwhleming evidenc of something nefarious being at play. Two week lockdown turns into? 2 years? 10 years? Suppose it's up to the corrupt WHO to decide. The scripted use of 'new normal' all over the world nothing to worry about. Resetting the planet nothing to worry about. A so-called pandemic relying on a casedemic and inflated numbers to keep it going nothing to worry about. The UN calling for global governance nothing to worry about. Polish people in Victoria saying that Victoria is worse than Communist Poland nothing to worry about.

All very reassuring.

King Mob · 14-09-2020 2:34pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

Nothing paranoid about the coming health passport.

No sorry. What you're suggesting is the work of overly paranoid thinking.
This stuff has been claimed before.
All you are achieving is drowning out people who have actual concerns.

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 2:45pm

King Mob wrote: »

No sorry. What you're suggesting is the work of overly paranoid thinking.
This stuff has been claimed before.
All you are achieving is drowning out people who have actual concerns.

I must've imagined it so: https://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/2020/09/11/creator-of-the-world-first-digital-health-passport-will-help-fully-open-economy-again/

King Mob · 14-09-2020 2:54pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

I must've imagined it so: https://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/2020/09/11/creator-of-the-world-first-digital-health-passport-will-help-fully-open-economy-again/

Yes, your interpretation of facts is the result of paranoid thinking and trusting cranks and crackpots on the internet who are pretty much scamming you.

Dionaibh · 14-09-2020 3:00pm

King Mob wrote: »

Yes, your interpretation of facts is the result of paranoid thinking and trusting cranks and crackpots on the internet who are pretty much scamming you.

Or it could be that the idea of a health passport is something out of Communist China.

Rushed Covid 19 vaccine

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