Rushed Covid 19 vaccine

Dohnjoe

Dionaibh wrote: »

What's so outlandish about considering not being able to buy or sell, or do very much else, unless vaccinated to be the Mark of the Beast? Isn't that exactly the Mark of the Beast as described in the Bible? Is it because it is a biblical prophecy that you are against the possibility of its being true?

Do you believe the bible prophesizes the future?

King Mob

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I think this will be used as a way to dismiss the claims of everyone that has a potential issue or valid reason for not wanting to take a vaccine.

They will dismiss all the viewpoints of people that don't want to take a vaccine and lump all us into the crazy anti-vaxxer group and there will be no room for a legitimate discussion in relation to why people will or won't want to take a vaccine.

You say that, but then in the next post you have someone defending those "crazy" beliefs

Dionaibh wrote: »

What's so outlandish about considering not being able to buy or sell, or do very much else, unless vaccinated to be the Mark of the Beast? Isn't that exactly the Mark of the Beast as described in the Bible? Is it because it is a biblical prophecy that you are against the possibility of its being true?

Yes. There's no such thing as a supernatural prophesy and anyone suggesting such is not being rational.

Also this claim has been repeated many many times about different events in world history.
This isn't the first time we've been told the mark of the beast/new world order/rapture was about to happen.

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Do you believe the bible prophesizes the future?

Does it matter what I think? The poster seems to think that believing the possibility of not being able to buy or sell, among other things, unless vaccinated, which happens to be exactly what the verse in the Bible which refers to the Mark of the Beast says, to be the Mark of the Beast come to pass is ridiculous. I'm just wondering why it's ridiculous. It could be a coincidence, sure, but it'd be one hell of a coincidence, no?

Dionaibh

King Mob wrote: »

You say that, but then in the next post you have someone defending those "crazy" beliefs

Yes. There's no such thing as a supernatural prophesy and anyone suggesting such is not being rational.

Also this claim has been repeated many many times about different events in world history.
This isn't the first time we've been told the mark of the beast/new world order/rapture was about to happen.

But are you open to the possibility that this time could be different? I know you dismissed it, but the UN did organise a concert last month where a choir sang about a new world order behind closed doors, we have WEF wanting to reset the planet, and health passports are coming, and possibly a vaccine that, while not mandatory, could result in people not being able to buy or sell (basically take part in society) if they don't take it.

ExMachina1000

Vaccine companies pushing for legal protection in the EU

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/covid-19-vaccine-makers-lobby-eu-for-legal-protection-1.4339157

"Vaccines Europe said in its memo it was advocating a “comprehensive no-fault and non-adversarial compensation system, and an exemption from civil liability”.

LessOutragePlz

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And this happens with normal vaccine research. They have halted the process while they investigate, which shows normal vaccine research precautions are being followed. It could turn out that this one person's reactions are unrelated (there are up to 10's of thousands of participants enrolled)

The fact that you've highlighted this as an issue, which is quite routine, shows that you already apparently have preconceived notions. The fact that you've stated you aren't going to take it further demonstrates that bias.

With no medical knowledge, some people seem to be picking lines in the sand e.g. less than 3 years = Not OK, more than 3 years research = OK. As if they have some professional handle on the processes involved and how much they can be streamlined without impacting the safety.

That's your opinion, fine, but I don't see any sound logic behind it any more than a vague lay-person's view of "its being fast-tracked so I don't trust it"

I've highlighted it as an issue because it is showing that someone could have potentially already have suffered an adverse reaction to one of the vaccines in production.

Obviously if the issue is resolved and the cause is proven to not be related to the vaccine then the trials can resume.

You seem intent on painting me as anti-vaxxer as you've already said that I think their "unsafe" which wasn't true at all. I have no bias or preconceived notions I've already explained my reasons for not wanting to take a vaccine.

In a perfect world the vaccines would be developed without anyone suffering side effects and the people that want to take would be free to do safe in the knowledge that their won't be any potential negative consequences to their health as a result of them taking the vaccine.

It is fairly sound logic to say that anything that is rushed has a higher chance of failure due to it not being subject to the same scrutiny and rigorous testing as previous products that have been created and launched on the market and I believe that this danger is even greater for vaccines.

Dohnjoe

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Vaccine companies pushing for legal protection in the EU

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/covid-19-vaccine-makers-lobby-eu-for-legal-protection-1.4339157

"Vaccines Europe said in its memo it was advocating a “comprehensive no-fault and non-adversarial compensation system, and an exemption from civil liability”.

Reading the full article, we can see some of the context. If a vaccine is produced that is distributed to e.g 10s of millions of people, then people who fall ill unrelated to the vaccine could decide to take legal action against the vaccine producers.

According to the Vaccines Europe memo, some people are likely to suffer “adverse events” after vaccination. “Even if such events may in fact not be related to the vaccines, such occurrences combined with the sheer scale of the vaccination programme and public attention to Covid-19, could lead to numerous damage claims.”

LessOutragePlz

King Mob wrote: »

You say that, but then in the next post you have someone defending those "crazy" beliefs

Yeah but that is the very point that I was making that person's view is not representative of everyone that does not want to take a vaccine and their reasons or rational for not wanting to take a vaccine will not be the same as everyone else's but, we will all be thrown into the same crazy anti-vaxxer group because it will be the easier option rather than discussing the legitimate reasons of why people do not want to a take a vaccine.

ExMachina1000

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Reading the full article, we can see some of the context. If a vaccine is produced that is distributed to e.g 10s of millions of people, then people who fall ill unrelated to the vaccine could decide to take legal action against the vaccine producers.

An excuse to cover themselves overall if the vaccine causes serious side effects. Dreamt up by lawyers and board members.

4068ac1elhodqr

Dionaibh wrote: »

Does it matter what I think? The poster seems to think that believing the possibility of not being able to buy or sell, among other things, unless vaccinated, which happens to be exactly what the verse in the Bible which refers to the Mark of the Beast says, to be the Mark of the Beast come to pass is ridiculous. I'm just wondering why it's ridiculous. It could be a coincidence, sure, but it'd be one hell of a coincidence, no?

Indeed, would agree, all I've ever said is that it's exactly that: "an interesting coincidence". Also that there "may be something in it, and also...
....that there might not".

Never have I said that Bill was a Satanist (this is a false claim from both KM & Joe), they (both athiests) appear to lump religion into every one of their posts, perhaps to avoid, and distract from looking at actual uncomfortable science based evidence.

Also, Gate's patent for QDT (covid immunity certification) isn't in itself the MOTB, it's simple a digital 'identifer of the person' that is all, (by digitally scanning the point of vaccine) https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2019018301A1/en

Now, anyone actually really interested in the (seperate) topic of MOTB, would look elsewhere e.g. Microsoft's other, seperate (i.e. non covid) patent: https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

5GMadeMeDoIt

A question for the ones who wont take the vaccine. If after 9 months to a year after the release and billions of people have taken the vaccine with little or no negative side effects, will you take it then?

Dohnjoe

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I've highlighted it as an issue because it is showing that someone could have potentially already have suffered an adverse reaction to one of the vaccines in production.

Obviously if the issue is resolved and the cause is proven to not be related to the vaccine then the trials can resume.

You've already stated you will not be taking the vaccine. So it doesn't matter about the trials, the results, further development, regulatory response, etc. You've judged it before we know anything about it's effectiveness or safety.

As you've said this is based on your personal opinion about things that are "rushed", that's fine, but it's a bias and preconceived notion. The vaccine could turn out to be one of the safest in history, but as mentioned you aren't interested in that, you have already pre-judged it.

FutureTeashock

5GMadeMeDoIt wrote: »

A question for the ones who wont take the vaccine. If after 9 months to a year after the release and billions of people have taken the vaccine with little or no negative side effects, will you take it then?

Bill Gates himself said the negative effects could take 2 years or more to manifest, so the answer is no, nay, never.

ExMachina1000

5GMadeMeDoIt wrote: »

A question for the ones who wont take the vaccine. If after 9 months to a year after the release and billions of people have taken the vaccine with little or no negative side effects, will you take it then?

Yes. Although at that stage there may be no reason to

5GMadeMeDoIt

FutureTeashock wrote: »

Bill Gates himself said the negative effects could take 2 years or more to manifest, so the answer is no, nay, never.

You believe what Bill Gates says?

Dohnjoe

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

An excuse to cover themselves overall if the vaccine causes serious side effects. Dreamt up by lawyers and board members.

Which is your personal take. I also read the article, and it appears they are trying to cover themselves against particular liabilities.

Dionaibh

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

Indeed, would agree, all I've ever said is that it's exactly that: "an interesting coincidence". Also that there "may be something in it, and also...
....that there might not".

Never have I said that Bill was a Satanist (this is a false claim from both KM & Joe), they (both athiests) appear to lump religion into every one of their posts, perhaps to avoid, and distract from looking at actual uncomfortable science based evidence.

Also, Gate's patent for QDT (covid immunity certification) isn't in itself the MOTB, it's simple a digital 'identifer of the person' that is all, (by digitally scanning the point of vaccine) https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2019018301A1/en

Now, anyone actually really interested in the (seperate) topic of MOTB, would look elsewhere e.g. Microsoft's other, seperate (i.e. non covid) patent: https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

What you're saying sounds reasonable to me. I fear that the issue is more with the Bible and religion being invol

Dohnjoe

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

Indeed, would agree, all I've ever said is that it's exactly that: "an interesting coincidence". Also that there "may be something in it, and also...
....that there might not".

Never have I said that Bill was a Satanist (this is a false claim from both KM & Joe), they (both athiests) appear to lump religion into every one of their posts, perhaps to avoid, and distract from looking at actual uncomfortable science based evidence.

Also, Gate's patent for QDT (covid immunity certification) isn't in itself the MOTB, it's simple a digital 'identifer of the person' that is all, (by digitally scanning the point of vaccine) https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2019018301A1/en

Now, anyone actually really interested in the (seperate) topic of MOTB, would look elsewhere e.g. Microsoft's other, seperate (i.e. non covid) patent: https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

As has been established in other threads you do believe in biblical prophecies. So what's your take on a Corona vaccine, will it be used to "mark" people as part of some plan to "control" them somehow?

Or will it just be a plain vanilla vaccine against the virus

ExMachina1000

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Which is your personal take. I also read the article, and it appears they are trying to cover themselves against particular liabilities.

I cant imagine they would get protection if they applied by directly saying if the vaccine goes wrong it's not our fault.

This is complete protection through the back door and gives an opportunity to have a team of corporate lawyers pick any admission of fault apart in a courtroom

Like Johnson and Johnson and a host of other giants who have payed and are continuing to
pay out multi million euro settlements these companies will naturally look to protect themselves.

The vaccine is being rushed. It's no secret. Protection from lawsuits will be no1 priority with these companies.

Remember Monsanto and their weed killer? Nobody wants a repeat of that on that scale.

Dionaibh

5GMadeMeDoIt wrote: »

You believe what Bill Gates says?

His predictions have a habit of coming true, and he has extraordinary influence on global health.

LessOutragePlz

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You've already stated you will not be taking the vaccine. So it doesn't matter about the trials, the results, further development, regulatory response, etc. You've judged it before we know anything about it's effectiveness or safety.

As you've said this is based on your personal opinion about things that are "rushed", that's fine, but it's a bias and preconceived notion. The vaccine could turn out to be one of the safest in history, but as mentioned you aren't interested in that, you have already pre-judged it.

No you're the one that is judging me and my opinions based on me not wanting to take a vaccine.

As I've already stated: In a perfect world the vaccines would be developed without anyone suffering side effects and the people that want to take would be free to do safe in the knowledge that their won't be any potential negative consequences to their health as a result of them taking the vaccine.

I'd rather a safe vaccine was developed as it would obviously provide comfort and reassurance to many people and to suggest otherwise is a lie and an unfair assumption.

Like I've said above a safe vaccine is better for everyone and I'm not wishing or hoping that the vaccine is unsafe or will cause side effects but don't let that stop you for making those false and unsubstantiated allegations against me.

Do you really believe that a rushed vaccine or consumer good is just as safe as a vaccine or consumer good that has undergone a longer and more comprehensive development process?

LessOutragePlz

5GMadeMeDoIt wrote: »

A question for the ones who wont take the vaccine. If after 9 months to a year after the release and billions of people have taken the vaccine with little or no negative side effects, will you take it then?

No because if the vast majority have taken the vaccine then the risk of me getting covid would be even lower than before the vaccine was administered and if there are little or few negative side effects associated with the vaccine I stilll wouldn't take it as I've stated previously I'd be more worried about the side effects from taking the vaccine rather than from getting covid which I would be at a lower risk of getting due to most people being vaccinated.

FutureTeashock

5GMadeMeDoIt wrote: »

You believe what Bill Gates says?

The Bill and Melinda gates foundation is ploughing billions of dollars into these vaccines and the WHO.

Dohnjoe

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I cant imagine they would get protection if they applied by directly saying if the vaccine goes wrong it's not our fault.

This is complete protection through the back door and gives an opportunity to have a team of corporate lawyers pick any admission of fault apart in a courtroom

Like Johnson and Johnson and a host of other giants who have payed and are continuing to
pay out multi million euro settlements these companies will naturally look to protect themselves.

The vaccine is being rushed. It's no secret. Protection from lawsuits will be no1 priority with these companies.

Remember Monsanto and their weed killer? Nobody wants a repeat of that on that scale.

They aren't allowed to give themselves blanket protection. As the article says they are looking to protect themselves from lawsuits arising from e.g. unrelated illnesses, which makes sense.

Dohnjoe

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

No you're the one that is judging me and my opinions based on me not wanting to take a vaccine.

I'm pointing out the lack of logic in your position. You have made a personal decision not to take a Covid-19 vaccine despite the fact that the vaccine isn't finished yet and we don't know it's effectiveness.

It's final effectiveness ans safety is irrelevant to you, as you've already made the decision. You've decided that because the vaccine is being fast-tracked, that alone rules it out. Which is absurd when you think about it, because it could turn out to be an effective, relatively safe vaccine.

A much more logical position would be to judge the final product

ExMachina1000

Dohnjoe wrote: »

They aren't allowed to give themselves blanket protection. As the article says they are looking to protect themselves from lawsuits arising from e.g. unrelated illnesses, which makes sense.

That is what I mean. A team of corporate lawyers will pull any lawsuit apart stating it is an unrelated illness .

Anyone who believes that these pharma giants haven't done their legal homework and dont have a robust defense at the ready are fooling themselves or are very naive.
It's a potential vaccine being rushed. It has the potential to sell hundreds of millions of doses at a minimum. A golden goose.

I don't mean you but people in general

Dionaibh

FutureTeashock wrote: »

The Bill and Melinda gates foundation is ploughing billions of dollars into these vaccines and the WHO.

Exactly right. Gates controls the WHO.

LessOutragePlz

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'm pointing out the lack of logic in your position. You have made a personal decision not to take a Covid-19 vaccine despite the fact that the vaccine isn't finished yet and we don't know it's effectiveness.

It's final effectiveness ans safety is irrelevant to you, as you've already made the decision. You've decided that because the vaccine is being fast-tracked, that alone rules it out. Which is absurd when you think about it, because it could turn out to be an effective, relatively safe vaccine.

A much more logical position would be to judge the final product

My logic is based on the fact that any consumer good but especially a vaccine that is rushed is at a higher risk of being less effective and runs a greater risk of causing more negative side effects.

It would be helpful if you could answer the question below as it is the basis for my logical conclusion.

Do you believe that a rushed vaccine or consumer good is just as safe as a vaccine or consumer good that has undergone a longer and more comprehensive development process?

If the vaccine turns out to be safe then that's great and I hope it does but me saying that it is at a higher risk of it having more negative side effects is a perfectly logical conclusion when you take into consideration the fact that it will be a rushed vaccine in comparison to all other previous vaccines that have been produced.

Sconsey

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I cant imagine they would get protection if they applied by directly saying if the vaccine goes wrong it's not our fault.

This is complete protection through the back door and gives an opportunity to have a team of corporate lawyers pick any admission of fault apart in a courtroom

Like Johnson and Johnson and a host of other giants who have payed and are continuing to
pay out multi million euro settlements these companies will naturally look to protect themselves.

The vaccine is being rushed. It's no secret. Protection from lawsuits will be no1 priority with these companies.

Remember Monsanto and their weed killer? Nobody wants a repeat of that on that scale.

Yes and what about World War 1? we don't want to see a repeat of that either, it's about as relevant to the vaccine as Roundup.

ExMachina1000

Sconsey wrote: »

Yes and what about World War 1? we don't want to see a repeat of that either, it's about as relevant to the vaccine as Roundup.

Its corporations covering their arse. Vaccine is rushed. Much money to be made. Hurry hurry

Sconsey

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Its corporations covering their arse. Vaccine is rushed. Much money to be made. Hurry hurry

If that is how you choose to view it then yeah sure. Thankfully most people don't, and this view is relegated to Conspiracy Theories where it belongs.

FutureTeashock

Sconsey wrote: »

If that is how you choose to view it then yeah sure. Thankfully most people don't, and this view is relegated to Conspiracy Theories where it belongs.

The pharmaceutical industry is now the most poorly regarded industry in Americans' eyes, ranking last on a list of 25 industries that Gallup tests annually. Americans are more than twice as likely to rate the pharmaceutical industry negatively (58%) as positively (27%), giving it a net-positive score of -31.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/266060/big-pharma-sinks-bottom-industry-rankings.aspx?

Smee_Again

FutureTeashock wrote: »

It is absolutely right to question not just the "warp speed" at which these vaccinations are being thrown together, but the very nature of the experimental technology, which involves altering the DNA of those who choose to take it.

Still waiting on a source for this DNA altering claim.

Dohnjoe

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Do you believe that a rushed vaccine or consumer good is just as safe as a vaccine or consumer good that has undergone a longer and more comprehensive development process?

I don't know the processes behind, so I can't answer on specifics. In my job we took a one month process and compressed it into a week, why? because it was an exceptional situation, how? by taking expensive measures to triple shift and speed up every aspect of that process. There were no issues. Another type of process might have suffered. It all depends on what aspects are being sped up and how.

Could there be a higher risk due to the faster process? yes, but I'm not in a position to judge those as a lay-person

Could it be just as safe as a vaccine that undergoes the normal process? possibly not, but again, I don't know the details

Could the vaccine be less effective due to the faster process? possibly

However it would be illogical for anyone to write it off now when we don't know the final results or effectiveness. As mentioned a Covid 19 vaccine could be highly effective despite this exceptional faster process

Your position is that you don't care how effective it turns out to be - you've already written it off before it's finished because according to your beliefs: if anything is "rushed", it's automatically more risky

4068ac1elhodqr

Sconsey wrote: »

If that is how you choose to view it then yeah sure. Thankfully most people don't, and this view is relegated to Conspiracy Theories where it belongs.

To be fair to the poster, the Pharma industry have made millions/billions on the back of the opiod epedemic already in the US. As a result just of this single action of profit-seeking, the population lifespan of the world's wealthiest nation is, and has been, in decline for some years as a direct result.

This is not a wild theory, that is a sad statistic.

Dohnjoe

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

To be fair to the poster, the Pharma industry have made millions/billions on the back of the opiod epedemic already in the US. As a result just of this single action of profit-seeking, the population lifespan of the world's wealthiest nation is, and has been, in decline for some years as a direct result.

This is not a wild theory, that is a sad statistic.

According to the CDC there has been a decrease in life expectancy in the US due to suicides and drug overdoses (namely abuse of fentanyl, fentanyl analogs and tramadol)

Implicating pharmaceutical companies is like implicating rope producing companies in suicides.

ExMachina1000

Sconsey wrote: »

If that is how you choose to view it then yeah sure. Thankfully most people don't, and this view is relegated to Conspiracy Theories where it belongs.

This is a race for a vaccine like never seen before. This is also a race for a product that can potentially sell to every individual on the planet if governments provide the money. The profit to be made here is eye watering.

If you dont believe that the potential for profit is a motivating factor possibly the most motivating factor you are a very naive individual.

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

As has been established in other threads you do believe in biblical prophecies.

News to me, I have said (again....) they're 'very interesting', and that there may be something in them, and also, that there may well not be.

A bit like if a weather forcaster 2kyrs ago forecasting heavy rain, SSW wind at 20knts, and 17oC for exactly 15:00hrs tommorow, at a very specific geographical location.
It does not happen: fine. It happens: well that does appear to be an accurate, timely and precise prediction. Let's wait, without bias, and see tommorow.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So what's your take on a Corona vaccine, will it be used to "mark" people as part of some plan to "control" them somehow?

A vaccine 'injection' by itself, won't visually mark someone in the technical or meaningful sense, how can it.

However the best of class, Gates paid-for solution, to the huge issue of immunity certification (combined with any vaccine, using nano technologies, not injection) is by it's very technical definition a 'mark', in fact it's desbribed here as an embodiment (in and on) the person.

It is also by it's detailed description, importantly, a unique 'digital identifer of a person', along of course with their medical history stored as digital scanable data point, very similar to a QRCode which many of us will shortly be scanning as a means of entry processing, to physical locations and services.

Dohnjoe

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

This is a race for a vaccine like never seen before. This is also a race for a product that can potentially sell to every individual on the planet if governments provide the money. The profit to be made here is eye watering.

If you dont believe that the potential for profit is a motivating factor possibly the most motivating factor you are a very naive individual.

Businesses and companies make revenue, what's your point?

This comes across as an empty appeal to motive fallacy. Just because there's money to be made doesn't automatically mean that something nefarious is afoot.

For example, if a company makes positive net revenue from life-saving drugs, or ventilators or dialysis machines doesn't necessarily mean... anything. If, however, you are accusing Covid-19 vaccine makers of taking shortcuts for profit, okay, but what are they?

If that's not it, then what are you actually suggesting?

Dohnjoe

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

A vaccine 'injection' by itself, won't visually mark someone in the technical or meaningful sense, how can it.

However the best of class, Gates paid-for solution, to the huge issue of immunity certification (combined with any vaccine, using nano technologies, not injection) is by it's very technical definition a 'mark', in fact it's desbribed here as an embodiment (in and on) the person.

It is also by it's detailed description, importantly, a unique 'digital identifer of a person', along of course with their medical history stored as digital scanable data point, very similar to a QRCode which many of us will shortly be scanning as a means of entry processing, to physical locations and services.

Any Covid related vaccine made by Bill Gates will contain some sort of mark or any vaccine endorsed by Gates or any vaccine (partially) funded? which?

To be clear, if I receive a vaccine approved/endorsed/funded by Bill Gates, I will also be receiving some sort of "mark", correct?

What does this "mark" do, and what's it's purpose?

Do you believe the bible prophesized people being "marked" with something in this century, yes or no?

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

According to the CDC there has been a decrease in life expectancy in the US due to suicides and drug overdoses (namely abuse of fentanyl, fentanyl analogs and tramadol) Implicating pharmaceutical companies is like implicating rope producing companies in suicides.

The primary cause is 'prescribed opiods' (responsible for 2/3rds of all ODs). Along 'direct' after effects of using these products).

The Pharma industry directly produces and market these 'prescribed opiods' products, with the aim of profit making. It would not be fair to lay the blame on anyone else, if that is your desire, e.g. you can't blame helicopter pilots for this phenomenon, and the sad yearly decline of life expectancy.

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Any Covid related vaccine made by Bill Gates will contain some sort of mark or any vaccine endorsed by Gates or any vaccine (partially) funded? which?
To be clear, if I receive a vaccine approved/endorsed/funded by Bill Gates, I will also be receiving some sort of "mark", correct?
What does this "mark" do, and what's it's purpose?
Do you believe the bible prophesized people being "marked" with something in this century, yes or no?

Sorry, but this word salad makes little sense.
One of Gates (many interventions) will be in regards to the (huge) issue of 'immunity certification', at/post vaccine. This will evolve by the way of a combined new type of vaccine delivery.

https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo-is-being-suggested-to-id-vaccinated-kids
https://news.rice.edu/2019/12/18/quantum-dot-tattoos-hold-vaccination-record/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/invisible-ink-could-reveal-whether-kids-have-been-vaccinated/

Suggest to read the earlier reply, again:

The best of class, Gates paid-for solution, to the huge issue of immunity certification (combined with any vaccine, using nano technologies, not injection) is by it's very technical definition a 'mark', in fact it's desbribed here as an embodiment (in and on) the person.

It is also by it's detailed description, importantly, a unique 'digital identifer of a person', along of course with their medical history stored as digital scanable data point, very similar to a QRCode which many of us will shortly be scanning as a means of entry processing, to physical locations and services.

Dohnjoe

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

The primary cause is 'prescribed opiods' (responsible for 2/3rds of all ODs). Along 'direct' after effects of using these products).

Link for this? the one I am reading from the CDC mentions abuse of opiods

The Pharma industry directly produces and market these 'prescribed opiods' products,

Yup, and these drugs have specific uses. Unfortunately people abuse them. Almost any drug can be abused, e.g. sleeping pills.

Likewise, people use guns/bullets to kill themselves, it doesn't mean gun/ammo makers are responsible or culpable for their deaths, nor does it mean they are profiteering from their deaths.

Dohnjoe

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

Sorry, but this word salad makes little sense.

It makes perfect sense, but I will make the questions simpler

In a roundabout way you seem to be suggesting that people who receive a Covid vaccine (funded by Bill Gates) will also receive some sort of "mark"

1. What is this "mark" exactly?

2. What is it's purpose?

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Link for this? the one I am reading from the CDC mentions abuse of opiods.... Unfortunately people abuse them. Almost any drug can be abused, e.g. sleeping pills.

This is straying off topic now. The issue relates primarly to the distribution, pressure and even bribes to oversell and oversaturate the market, by Pharna, in order to gain profit. Suggest some reading:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/02/john-kapoor-opioids-billionaire-founder-guilty-of-bribing-doctors-to-prescribe

FutureTeashock

Smee_Again wrote: »

Still waiting on a source for this DNA altering claim.

Straight from the Devil's lair:

"It involves the direct introduction into appropriate tissues of a plasmid containing the DNA sequence encoding the antigen(s) against which an immune response is sought, and relies on the in situ production of the target antigen."

https://www.who.int/biologicals/areas/vaccines/dna/en/

The DNA is edited to fight the virus, thus altering the DNA.

LessOutragePlz

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

This is straying off topic now. The issue relates primarly to the distribution, pressure and even bribes to oversell and oversaturate the market, by Pharna, in order to gain profit. Suggest some reading:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/02/john-kapoor-opioids-billionaire-founder-guilty-of-bribing-doctors-to-prescribe

4 of them have already settled in relation to a lawsuit that was taken against them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/21/opioid-makers-drug-industry-trial-cleveland-ohio

"Four major pharmaceutical companies agreed to a multimillion-dollar payout over the US opioid epidemic on Monday, hours before a landmark federal trial in which they were facing accusations of a conspiracy to profit from addiction and death."

They've already profited from addicted and death so profiting from a rushed vaccine will be easy money for them especially if they secure immunity from future lawsuits in relation to potential negative side effects from the vaccine they'll be all the way to the bank and it will be taxpayers that foot the bill!

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Dohnjoe wrote: »

What is this "mark" exactly?

See above for one example of a mark/embodiment, related to covid and Gates. Sorry but don't have time for hand holding, or drip feeding (repeated explanations) as per above, and now have other matters to attend to.



btw, There are even better (gates related) patents that relate to Gates/Microsoft, but they are not related to covid, interesting as contextual factors all the same...

Dohnjoe

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

This is straying off topic now.

You brought it up

The issue relates primarly to the distribution, pressure and even bribes to oversell and oversaturate the market, by Pharna, in order to gain profit. Suggest some reading:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/02/john-kapoor-opioids-billionaire-founder-guilty-of-bribing-doctors-to-prescribe

I'm addressing your claim about CDC data for life expectancy in the US. According to the CDC the decrease in expectancy is due to an increase suicide and abuse of opiods (not correct use of opiods)

Dohnjoe

Jose Substantial Armada wrote: »

See above for one example of a mark/embodiment, related to covid and Gates. Sorry but don't have time for hand holding, or drip feeding (repeated explanations) as per above, and now have other matters to attend to.

This is your conspiracy theory and you tend to make it very hard to understand (quite possibly on purpose)

Let's simplify

There is a Covid vaccine available right now, one of the ones funded by Bill Gates, I go to my GP tomorrow, and I get an injection of the new vaccine

According to you, do I receive anything else? a "mark"?

If yes, what is that "mark" and what is it's purpose?