Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Christy42 · 22-10-2020 3:46pm

stefanovich wrote: »

There is a difference between confronting a political opponent in a debate or a journalist asking leading question and attacking and humiliating a potential voter.

Biden is nasty.

You mean how Trump decided a woman must have been on her period to have asked such a hard question? Or mocking reporters. Repeatedly his administration has shown outright hostility to reporters who ask anything but the most softball questions. He has long built a campaign on hatred and abuse.

Tear gassing peaceful demonstrators in Washington. They are all potential voters. Giving out about a veteran for getting captured. The guy was in his party, that should have been an easy potential vote to get. How about his response to the families of all the victims of his failed battle against covid. It is what it is. Playground bully nicknames for all political opponents, including Democrats. Offering to pay legal fees for anyone who punched a demonstrator at his rally.

I feel like I am forgetting 100 things because that man is so horrific on a daily basis.

Foxtrol · 22-10-2020 3:54pm

robinph wrote: »

More likely to get Bush II out for those purposes, he is younger than Trump (OK, so there is only a month in it, but still).

Trump will be screaming from the background for a couple of years, but in 4 years time both him and Biden will be glad of a comfy chair in a quiet corner of a retirement home for former presidents if they are still around. The media will have no reason to pay Trump any notice after a few months, whatever other media nonsense he gets up to with creating his own network or something the rest of the media can ignore him soon enough.

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden makes it through 4 years he steps down and you then have Harris running against whoever else gets put against her. Would just need Biden to last 4 years so that she could then still be counted as going for the first term in 2024 rather than 2nd if she has to step up beforehand.

Seems like wishful thinking.

Media companies have plenty of reasons, the millions dollars they can earn from ratings he brings in. Like it or not, right wing media will have him on whenever he wants as he has been the face of the GOP for 6 years now and even CNN and others have consistently shown, even in 2020, that they'll have on whatever right wing personality that will give that 'perspective', i.e. ratings from conflict.

droidus · 22-10-2020 4:07pm

This could have gone terribly wrong.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/dutch-ethical-hacker-logs-into-trump-s-twitter-account~badaa815/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fn4sKLJYGop

"On Friday morning, almost absentmindedly, Gevers tries a number of passwords and their variations. On the fifth attempt: bingo! He tries ‘maga2020!’ (short for make America great again) and suddenly finds himself in the Twitter account of the American President. He is flabbergasted. Gevers: ‘I expected to be blocked after four failed attempts. Or at least would be asked to provide additional information.’ None of that."

robinph · 22-10-2020 4:07pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Seems like wishful thinking.

Media companies have plenty of reasons, the millions dollars they can earn from ratings he brings in. Like it or not, right wing media will have him on whenever he wants as he has been the face of the GOP for 6 years now and even CNN and others have consistently shown, even in 2020, that they'll have on whatever right wing personality that will give that 'perspective', i.e. ratings from conflict.

But the obligation to cover the words of Trump because of his job will be gone. Other than him doing something particularly daft, after 6 months he's just a crazy old man with zero power. He might have some influence over the other cultists, but surely they will be wanting a fresh face to follow once they realise he can't actually do anything anymore.

Once his power to sign executive orders and promise to do something significant in "2 weeks time" is gone he's of no use to them.

Will he finally have to pay for his security detail? I think Clinton changed the rules such that former presidents, after him, would no longer be entitled to free lifetime secret service cover to the same level. Will his security now expect to be paid for protecting him and have free accommodation at Mar A Lago instead of paying him for the service?

MadYaker · 22-10-2020 5:19pm

stefanovich wrote: »

Fox were interviewing one of the debate officials and in fairness he seemed totally reasonable.

He did mention there was an issue with the perception that some moderators were biased and they were looking to address that in the future.

I don't think there will be any muting malarkey.

As far as I understand it its all controlled by a clock not the moderator. Each candidate is given 2 minutes to speak on the topic and for those 2 minutes the other persons mic is muted. Then when they've both had their 2 minutes both mics are unmuted and they're free to shout over each other as much as they like.

Gwen Cooper · 22-10-2020 6:06pm

Trump released the 60 Minutes interview on Facebook.

I'm halfway through. So far it's just Don responding to most of the things with "It's unfair", "You wouldn't ask Joe Biden that question" and shouting conspiracy theories at the host. It's fascinating.

Also, he needs to make up his mind about Covid. He can't be switching between "It's not that dangerous, Barron didn't even know he had it" and "I saved millions of lives".

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-10-2020 6:12pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

Trump released the 60 Minutes interview on Facebook.

I'm halfway through. So far it's just Don responding to most of the things with "It's unfair", "You wouldn't ask Joe Biden that question" and shouting conspiracy theories at the host. It's fascinating.

Also, he needs to make up his mind about Covid. He can't be switching between "It's not that dangerous, Barron didn't even know he had it" and "I saved millions of lives".

Just finished it myself, I don't know how he thinks he came across good in that but hey, its Trump and he believes everything he does is brilliant.

I'm sure his zealots will be along shortly to tell me I'm wrong and explain what Trump "really meant" when he gave those whinging answers.

Frank Bullitt · 22-10-2020 6:24pm

https://twitter.com/arlenparsa/status/1319302033879535617

What a complete child. Doesn't like try questions so off he goes...loser.

22-10-2020 6:28pm

Are they going to release the full thing?

PropJoe10 · 22-10-2020 6:31pm

stefanovich wrote: »

Or maybe no one cares to turn up for Biden because he is boring and his voters are motivated by one thing only. Irrational hatred for Trump.

Rubbish as per usual. Although considering Trump is about the most ignorant and self centred person to ever hold a public office, I personally wouldn't blame them for picking a candidate with even an ounce of human dignity over the Great Leader himself.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-10-2020 6:31pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are they going to release the full thing?

Its already up, Trump (as usual) comes across as a whinging little five year old but seems to think he handled things amazingly well.

PropJoe10 · 22-10-2020 6:44pm

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/arlenparsa/status/1319302033879535617

What a complete child. Doesn't like try questions so off he goes...loser.

And yet his supporters thing he is some sort of alpha-male, sticking it to the system. He's a joke. An absolute fraud.

looksee · 22-10-2020 6:45pm

Good lord, such a heap of nonsense. He was totally focused on arguing whether the interviewer was being nice to him, and repeating his mantras that he concentrates on, mostly about how unfair everyone is to him. He did not offer a single coherent policy or argument, just went off on tangents and denied everything. I did skip bits of it because honestly listening to such pointless whinging is more than anyone should have to waste time on.

amandstu · 22-10-2020 6:45pm

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/arlenparsa/status/1319302033879535617

What a complete child. Doesn't like try questions so off he goes...loser.

It beneath interpretation. Had to bail out half way through.

Foxtrol · 22-10-2020 6:47pm

robinph wrote: »

But the obligation to cover the words of Trump because of his job will be gone. Other than him doing something particularly daft, after 6 months he's just a crazy old man with zero power. He might have some influence over the other cultists, but surely they will be wanting a fresh face to follow once they realise he can't actually do anything anymore.

Once his power to sign executive orders and promise to do something significant in "2 weeks time" is gone he's of no use to them.

Will he finally have to pay for his security detail? I think Clinton changed the rules such that former presidents, after him, would no longer be entitled to free lifetime secret service cover to the same level. Will his security now expect to be paid for protecting him and have free accommodation at Mar A Lago instead of paying him for the service?

If he is a crazy old man that drives ratings they'll have him on whenever he wants. Nearly every element of US media is for profit and it shows in their decision making. Trump has been an attention seeker all his life and I don't see it stopping post losing an election and unless enough viewers get sick of him there will be plenty of places that will welcome him.

Where I agree things will change is that there won't be as much 'Trump said x crazy thing' leading the every night news. He'll still be there, just not in your face unless you're watching right wing media.

As for security I believe he has a detail for life but his family and the VP's lose theirs pretty quickly. That is going to be some additional cost on the Trumps given how despised they are all around the world.

StringerBell · 22-10-2020 7:09pm

stefanovich wrote: »

I actually like Tucker a lot. He could have a comfortable life out of the spotlight and instead chose to fight the good fight.

By using a show to say things that are not meant to be taken seriously, by his own admission...okay then

StringerBell · 22-10-2020 7:13pm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

Trump released the 60 Minutes interview on Facebook.

I'm halfway through. So far it's just Don responding to most of the things with "It's unfair", "You wouldn't ask Joe Biden that question" and shouting conspiracy theories at the host. It's fascinating.

Also, he needs to make up his mind about Covid. He can't be switching between "It's not that dangerous, Barron didn't even know he had it" and "I saved millions of lives".

Of course he can, he's not talking to you or me, he's only ever talking to the people who accept everything he says without question whether that contradicts other things he previously said or not. It's fascinating in many ways.

PropJoe10 · 22-10-2020 7:15pm

StringerBell wrote: »

Of course he can, he's not talking to you or me, he's only ever talking to the people who accept everything he says without question whether that contradicts other things he previously said or not. It's fascinating in many ways.

It really is. I'm looking forward to the day that John Kelly actually speaks openly about his experiences in the Chief of Staff role. I'd say it'll be interesting!

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-10-2020 7:19pm

PropJoe10 wrote: »

It really is. I'm looking forward to the day that John Kelly actually speaks openly about his experiences in the Chief of Staff role. I'd say it'll be interesting!

The books that will come out when Trump is booted should keep me in reading material for a year or three.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-10-2020 7:23pm

Christy42 wrote: »

The "insult" they tried to throw at Biden after his town hall was that he was too soft calling him Mr. Rogers. Mr. Rogers would generally be considered the opposite of aggressive and unhinged.

Urban legend abut Mr Rogers is that his car was stolen. It was returned with a written apology.

Truth is that when Congress were set on cutting the budget for PBS, Mr Rogers got it doubled instead. In six minutes.

Soft power.

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 8:02pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The first and second bolded parts, yeah.... I honestly don't believe you.

You should save some of that disbelief for MSM and blue checkmark twitter accounts. I've just stated my opinion. So not that you don't agree with my opinion, but you think I'm lying.

dogbert27 wrote: »

With 48 posts in total and coming on this thread with an opening post like that it's obvious what the intent is! :rolleyes:

You question my motivation. I spent 10 minutes reading back to about 10 pages or so and found it was more of just same same that occurs everywhere else. I was hoping for some to have a little insight and thought. I was wrong.

extra gravy · 22-10-2020 8:05pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Its already up, Trump (as usual) comes across as a whinging little five year old but seems to think he handled things amazingly well.

Had a little chuckle while watching it when I remembered a poster here earlier called him a "streetfighter" :pac:

Jack1985 · 22-10-2020 8:07pm

Joe Biden giving some remarks to the Press in the last hour, ''I hope he's been tested''

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-10-2020 8:08pm

OS_Head wrote: »

You should save some of that disbelief for MSM and blue checkmark twitter accounts. I've just stated my opinion. So not that you don't agree with my opinion, but you think I'm lying.

What "MSM" are you talking about? Which blue checkmark twitter accounts?

Just giving my opinion.

You question my motivation. I spent 10 minutes reading back to about 10 pages or so and found it was more of just same same that occurs everywhere else. I was hoping for some to have a little insight and thought. I was wrong.

So what would you like to discuss? Why not give us your thoughts/insight? You have by your own admission read 10 pages, this is the 7th thread with the previous threads having 10,000 posts in them so that's a pretty small sample to take and make such a claim.

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 8:10pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What "MSM" are you talking about? Which blue checkmark twitter accounts?

Is there any point? My initial post has been deleted by the moderators. I wonder how many other posts they have deleted because it didn't suit them.

No wonder it's all one way traffic.

EltonJohn69 · 22-10-2020 8:11pm

Very brave Mr. President !!! Staring that woman down with her wicked questions... I think he might just have won the election... I think we just witnessed history... it was basically his Churchill moment !!!

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-10-2020 8:19pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Is there any point? My initial post has been deleted by the moderators. I wonder how many other posts they have deleted because it didn't suit them.

No wonder it's all one way traffic.

So no issues you would like to discuss? You say its "one way" and the same as everywhere else. So change that, ask questions, give your opinion, make claims and show evidence for them.and I guard that you will get a great discussion especially in this thread.

Otherwise you just come across as someone complained about...well I'm not really sure what you're complaining about

Mental Mickey · 22-10-2020 8:24pm

amandstu wrote: »

It beneath interpretation. Had to bail out half way through.

What a f***ing child!!!

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 8:26pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Otherwise you just come across as someone complained about...well I'm not really sure what you're complaining about

Yep, and you've no way of going back and reading what my initial post was because it got deleted by the moderators. So you can honestly now stay confused.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-10-2020 8:30pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Yep, and you've no way of going back and reading what my initial post was because it got deleted by the moderators. So you can honestly now stay confused.

I remember your post, I replied to your post. My point is that you complain there is no discussion and its an echo chamber but are choosing not to offer anything to discuss.

TomOnBoard · 22-10-2020 8:31pm

I just watched Trump's upload of the interview with Leslie Stahl.

AH, FFS!

The man is SERIOUSLY unwellðŸ˜¥

It's actually frightening to see a POTUS who is so totally delusional, and living in an alternate reality! He ACTUALLY believes all this stuff!!

Jeebus wept!

Robert McGrath · 22-10-2020 8:32pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Urban legend abut Mr Rogers is that his car was stolen. It was returned with a written apology.

Truth is that when Congress were set on cutting the budget for PBS, Mr Rogers got it doubled instead. In six minutes.

Soft power.

Oh, that’s lovely.

The Biden campaign should actually use the above almost word for word!

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 8:45pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I remember your post, I replied to your post. My point is that you complain there is no discussion and its an echo chamber but are choosing not to offer anything to discuss.

And if you continue to remember the rest of my point (that the moderators have deleted) is that this thread is, in my opinion, just so others can spew out MSM's TDS talking points. I was hoping for a little more insight from what I presumed were Irish posters. Being a little detached from what was going on across the pond and unaffected by the TDS that seems to prevail everywhere. Seem's I was wrong. The TDS is strong here. Pointing this out, colourful language or not, gets the post deleted. So yeah, TDS infected echo chamber, I stand by my first statement.

dogbert27 · 22-10-2020 8:49pm

OS_Head wrote: »

And if you continue to remember the rest of my point (that the moderators have deleted) is that this thread is, in my opinion, just so others can spew out MSM's TDS talking points. I was hoping for a little more insight from what I presumed were Irish posters. Being a little detached from what was going on across the pond and unaffected by the TDS that seems to prevail everywhere. Seem's I was wrong. The TDS is strong here. Pointing this out, colourful language or not, gets the post deleted. So yeah, TDS infected echo chamber, I stand by my first statement.

And yet you're still here

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-10-2020 8:51pm

OS_Head wrote: »

And if you continue to remember the rest of my point (that the moderators have deleted) is that this thread is, in my opinion, just so others can spew out MSM's TDS talking points. I was hoping for a little more insight from what I presumed were Irish posters. Being a little detached from what was going on across the pond and unaffected by the TDS that seems to prevail everywhere. Seem's I was wrong. The TDS is strong here. Pointing this out, colourful language or not, gets the post deleted. So yeah, TDS infected echo chamber, I stand by my first statement.

See, when you drop in, say you have read a few pages of one thread (the whole history is over 60,000 posts at this stage) and then consistently use the idiotic term TDS then I'm sorry to tell you this but no one is going to take you seriously and yes, your posts will be removed.

Politics Forum expects a higher standard of posts other then silly accusation that posters have TDS.

May I suggest AH or maybe CA/IMO where that sort of childishness is tolerated a Little more.

looksee · 22-10-2020 8:57pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Yep, and you've no way of going back and reading what my initial post was because it got deleted by the moderators. So you can honestly now stay confused.

What did you hope to achieve by coming into the eighth iteration of the thread - all 70,000+ posts of it, and saying its an echo chamber? Do you want us to say 'no its not' so that you can imitate Trump and say 'yes it is, I win' ?

What you offered was not argument or discussion, it was dismissal. What did you want us to do with it?

I would really like if someone would put up some sound, coherent arguments discussing what he has done of benefit to the country. Not just repeats of what he has said, but your own arguments.

You can't tell us how he has produced the fastest growing economy, because he hasn't. He says he has, but him saying it does not make it so. Same with the greatest jobs creation, same with dealing with Covid, and so on. Is there anything? Even his most ardent fan could not describe him as a diplomat, and his ability to negotiate and make deals has been shown to be grossly overstated.

He has not even made a success of standing for a second term, all he has done is the same rallies - but with the added piquance of a chance of catching the virus - but no effort to persuade the older community, the Black community 'I have done more for Black Americans etc' - no he hasn't, or indeed anyone outside his 'base'.

So what balanced and thoughtful discussion would you like? Give us a topic and tell us your thoughts.

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 8:59pm

dogbert27 wrote: »

And yet you're still here

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Politics Forum expects a higher standard of posts other then silly accusation that posters have TDS.

Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

looksee · 22-10-2020 9:03pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

The fact that it is nearly over?

You are the one with the complaint, you make some suggestions. I honestly cannot think of a single thing.

22-10-2020 9:04pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

The term exists, that's about it. It doesn't make it remotely meaningful.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-10-2020 9:07pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

Nothing comes to mind, absolutely nothing..... and that's the shocking thing about the last four years. And that's not the fabled TDS it's not hatred for Trump (I don't hate anyone) its a simple fact that his whole presidency has been an absolute disaster for him and for the American people.

gmisk · 22-10-2020 9:12pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

I would say defeating ISIS's caliphate and the killing of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
He has also provided great comedy value people like Samantha Bee, john oliver etc have really knocked it out of the park, in a really factual and entertaining way.

Bar that I am struggling.

Midlife · 22-10-2020 9:12pm

OS_Head wrote: »

And if you continue to remember the rest of my point (that the moderators have deleted) is that this thread is, in my opinion, just so others can spew out MSM's TDS talking points. I was hoping for a little more insight from what I presumed were Irish posters. Being a little detached from what was going on across the pond and unaffected by the TDS that seems to prevail everywhere. Seem's I was wrong. The TDS is strong here. Pointing this out, colourful language or not, gets the post deleted. So yeah, TDS infected echo chamber, I stand by my first statement.

But Trump deliberately says controversial things and lies a lot. He does this on purpose to keep the stories tucking over and things focussed on him. It's impossible to have a discussion because it's impossible to stay on one topic for long enough.

But if you wish to have a discussion, please start one. Do you think focusing on the coronavirus is unfair to him? Do you think he's done a good job in this regard?

dogbert27 · 22-10-2020 9:13pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

Alec Baldwin being Trump on SNL

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 9:14pm

Well OK, here's mine. He is the first president not start a new war since Reagan. I believe the Democrats, the Deep state and MSM are colluding to aid the corporate and industrial war complex.

But let me make this easier for anyone willing to partake. Is there anything that Trump should be impeached for, if so then elaborate just a little.

moon2 · 22-10-2020 9:17pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Well OK, here's mine. He is the first president not start a new war since Reagan. I believe the Democrats, the Deep state and MSM are colluding to aid the corporate and industrial war complex.

But let me make this easier for anyone willing to partake. Is there anything that Trump should be impeached for, if so then elaborate just a little.

He has been impeached

Midlife · 22-10-2020 9:18pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Ok, then, to prove me wrong. Prove to me that you're not simply into character assassination and are interested in policies and actions. To anyone else who cares to reply. Name one thing from the Trump presidency that you approve of. Name a couple, anything, whatever comes to your mind first. You're bound to think of something pretty quickly if you're not suffering TDS.

Oh btw, in case you're not aware. TDS is a real thing. shorturl.at/cghoK

Bringing attention to the fact that elites are screwing the American working people over. Pretty much the reason people switched from Bernie to Trump.

I'm just not sure that anything was done about it bar bringing attention to it.

No foreign wars.

Getting rid of NAFTA.

Economy on a heater.

So outweighed by the rubbish though.

Water John · 22-10-2020 9:23pm

OS_Head wrote: »

Well OK, here's mine. He is the first president not start a new war since Reagan. I believe the Democrats, the Deep state and MSM are colluding to aid the corporate and industrial war complex.

But let me make this easier for anyone willing to partake. Is there anything that Trump should be impeached for, if so then elaborate just a little.

Not starting a war has been a matter of luck, for all of us. When you think one of his cabinet, was going to church regularly to pray as that was all he had to stop Trump starting a war, if he was in the humour.

OS_Head · 22-10-2020 9:26pm

Midlife wrote: »

But if you wish to have a discussion, please start one. Do you think focusing on the coronavirus is unfair to him? Do you think he's done a good job in this regard?

I think it's been unfair to all the leaders of the world. The best estimates from etymologists back when it started was it would kill over 2 million Americans and by this stage up to 15 million people world wide. These number are pretty wide of the mark. Notwithstanding that any one person can be held responsible for any of those numbers. We are all in this together and we are all responsible in certain ways. When Trump banned all travel from China, he was accused of being racist and over reactionary. He tried to stop all traffic into New York from Europe. It was opposed by Cuomo who went on to preside over one of the worst affected regions of this pandemic. Trump sent him the hospital ship which he didn't use. Instead he put the sick into nursing homes. He, MSM and the Democrat blame their deaths on Trump. No matter what decisions and statement he made they were either opposed or taking out of context. Pelosi walking down Chinatown telling everyone it's safe, or de Blasio telling the media it was safe and the flu was worse. So putting the blame on Trump for the pandemic is pretty reaching IMO. But the Democrats will say anything to get elected.

VinLieger · 22-10-2020 9:27pm

Water John wrote: »

Not starting a war has been a matter of luck, for all of us. When you think one of his cabinet, was going to church regularly to pray as that was all he had to stop Trump starting a war, if he was in the humour.

Indeed, the killing of Bagdahdi and the way it was done whether justified or not brought the US incredibly close to war.

salmocab · 22-10-2020 9:29pm

OS_Head wrote: »

I think it's been unfair to all the leaders of the world. The best estimates from etymologists back when it started was it would kill over 2 million Americans and by this stage up to 15 million people world wide. These number are pretty wide of the mark. Notwithstanding that any one person can be held responsible for any of those numbers. We are all in this together and we are all responsible in certain ways. When Trump banned all travel from China, he was accused of being racist and over reactionary. He tried to stop all traffic into New York from Europe. It was opposed by Cuomo who went on to preside over one of the worst affected regions of this pandemic. Trump sent him the hospital ship which he didn't use. Instead he put the sick into nursing homes. He, MSM and the Democrat blame their deaths on Trump. No matter what decisions and statement he made they were either opposed or taking out of context. Pelosi walking down Chinatown telling everyone it's safe, or de Blasio telling the media it was safe and the flu was worse. So putting the blame on Trump for the pandemic is pretty reaching IMO. But the Democrats will say anything to get elected.

Did he ban all travel from China?

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