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That sounds like an awful diet. It definitely isnt a keto diet.
But there's no chocolate, junk or refined sugar allowed on Keto either.

Ladyinthedark wrote: »

I’m struggling on a diet I started a week ago it consists of all veg steamed boiled and no chocolate bars or junk so I’m hungry going to bed at night and the early mornings I have broccoli sweet pot and carrots and green beans a while ago I’m
Just struggling and if I can make cook something that doesn’t have refined sugars in it I’d be delighted a lot of the recipes I googled come up with American ingredients so any help anyone could give me I would be delighted I’m just planning on going to aldi lidl shortly today

That doesn’t sound like a keto diet. You are just eating cooked veg? it would explain the hunger. My first thought is change the diet, does the diet have a name?

Maybe start with taking a look on here https://www.reddit.com/r/ketorecipes/?st=JM689NGM&sh=38fce9b6 and doing a bit of research on keto before saying you are on it. Take a few days to a week to prepare yourself and get stocked up with some ingredients and this should help you with the transition in your first week.

Veg (growing underground as a general rule) is NOT allowed on keto. Lettuce, cabbage, kale, Brussel sprouts, rocket, spinach ARE allowed. My OH loves sprouts fried in butter.

Best advice I got when I started keto, was to embrace what you can eat. Dont try to replace what you cant eat with a keto-friendly version. They are out there .... But don't tease yourself.

It only takes a week to get into the swing of it. More preparation is required at home in the kitchen and in the shop .... But its worth it.

In a couple of weeks you wont want snacks, as you will be full longer .

Last bit of advice ..... Dont go to bed hungry! You need about 8 hours to process what you have eaten, so eating close to bed time, then again at breakfast, hardly gives your body time to process / rest / heal. Stop eating about 6 or 7 in the evening and aim for 12 to 16 hour break before eating again. Its easy after a week or two. Take it from a guy who had to eat every few hours (stipulated by work colleagues who could see me go downhill when I couldn't myself). Now I have occasional fast (few times a week) of 16 to 18 hrs.

In fact, dont get up from table hungry! The beauty of keto is you can eat large portions if they are of the right stuff. Fat is more filling than carbs.

I you have to have a snack (cause you missed a meal or something), have a tea or coffee with double cream, or some cheese, or nuts .... Bust as I say, you will need less & less as time goes on (and we are only talking about days here). Dont plan to have snacks. Have meals!

Keep it up.... It IS worth it...

Good news. My son has decided to go keto, and has completed his first day at work on new regime (was 2 days into it before going to work). First steps are the hardest!

Good news 2. OH hit lifetime record of 4 stone lost on a single diet. Thx to her I am on this plan. She is definitely leading by example! Go you!x!

No quite the opposite, would essentially be the perfect diet for it

Double cheeseburger with just cheese and just mayo on it
€2 from the eueosaver menu in McDonalds
Don't eat the bun (slide the meat out, use the bun to hold the meat as you slide it out)
= keto fast food


I repeat. Don't eat the bun!

While most people do well on keto it appears that it’s not suited for everyone, if you have one or two copies of the ‘ApoE4’ gene you react to saturated fat differently to someone who doesn’t. It’s widely accepted in the scientific community that if you carry this gene saturated fat intake will lead to a higher level of small dense LDL cholesterol and you will also hang on to it longer in the bloodstream. The small dense LDL is what oxidises into plaques and ultimately causes heart disease and higher risk factors for Alzheimer’s.

In the UK around 25% of the population carry one or more copies of this ApoE4 gene so it’s not rare.

I’m not trying to fearmonger about keto, it’s great for most people but if you have a history of heart disease or Alzheimer’s in your family it might be worth getting a blood test or genetic test done.

If you've ever done a dna test with 23andme you can plug your raw data into promethease and get a full report.

missrandomer wrote: »

Do any of you guys drink on Keto?
I find that I cant stick to keto and IF as im having 2 glasses of wine at the weekend even kicks me out.

Would bicardi and diet coke be a no go on keto?

Rum/vodka/whiskey and diet coke is generally ok but some people report an insulin response from sweeteners found in diet coke so it can vary. Also spiced rum can have sugar in it so probably best avoided.

A single glass of dry red such as merlot shouldn't have a huge effect on ketosis but it varies with the individual.

When you drink your liver will pause fat burning to deal with the alcohol. Booze will also hit you a lot harder when in keto.

I drink massive amounts of sweetened drinks, I believe insulin is only an issue really if you've got diabetes.

/\/ollog wrote: »

I drink massive amounts of sweetened drinks, I believe insulin is only an issue really if you've got diabetes.

keep it up and it might get you there :pac:

missrandomer wrote: »

Interesting about the insulin response, I wonder how much diet drink in one night could kick you out.

is there any apps for Keto? or what macros is norm for keto

I remember reading of people having insulin responses to stevia and aspartame but to be honest I think its fairly rare and not significant so I wouldn't worry about it.

When i was doing keto my replacement for beer and crisps was vodka and coke zero with a few bags of pork scratchings. It definitely stalled everything but never set me back much.

klm1 wrote: »

Would this not throw you our of Ketosis? Do you test yourself? Why drink sweetened drinks? Does it not seem counter productive? Sorry for all the questions, I just cant get my head around choosing a restrictive WOE whilst swilling sweetened drinks..

It doesn't seem to. I don't test myself. I drank just water before starting keto, or dilute about 40 times lower than the packs say you should use, so massive amounts might be misleading.

Why? It's handy. I like the flavour. I never started this to have less sugar anyway.

My blood glucose was very high before, and very very low now, I forgot the actual numbers, but from a blood test done early in the year versus a month and a half ago, it's much improved at least. Seeing those results made me think about cutting back more when I go back to bread, which will eventually happen.

klm1 wrote: »

I think I finally have irrefutable evidence that I have some sort of an issue with carbs that keto solves for me, either an intolerance or I cannot digest them properly, I have no idea which. Here's whats led me to this belief;

For the past while I've been on Keto, I immediately felt better, more energy, clearer head, less bloating, feel lighter in general and less mood swings oddly enough. My weight dropped significantly to a recent low of 13st10lbs. (from close to 16st despite my attempts at calorie counting and more)

I stopped Keto to go on holidays to Italy for 2 weeks. During that 2 weeks I gained 12.5lbs, even though I didn't eat terribly and was very active.

I returned from the holiday to find my weight had ballooned to 14st. 8.5lbs and got straight back onto Keto.

In the first week of being back on Keto and off carbs, all that holiday weight has fallen off and I'm back to 13st 10.5lbs.

I'm very strict on Keto, never going over 20g of carbs a day. I always hit my fat and protein goals and gym for 1.5hrs every morning.

In the past I have tried varied ways of eating, counting calories, low fat, IF, and others, all to no avail.

Really seems to me now that once carbs are involved, I was doomed to fail and Keto is my best option.

Funnily enough I lost a kg on my last holiday, usual continental style buffet , I just loaded up on scrambled egg, bacon, sausages and some grilled veg. lunch I tended to make a salad and evening just avoided carb loaded meals, tended to go for meat/fish with extra veg. The hotel had a nice gym attached so I went there every other day.
My main quandary now is xmas day , go for a regular blow out all you can eat carbs or just all you can eat low carb lol.

klm1 wrote: »

I hear ya, I do love an old style Christmas dinner, I'd imagine if I go around to my Mother in Laws on Christmas day and start being picky I'll be booted out! I'm considering calling my Christmas dinner a 'carb cycling experiment' :cool:

The hotel in Italy that my Missus had her heart set on didn't have a gym, before going when I suggested to her that we needed to book one with a gym, I got the eyes to heaven. She already complains that Work and Gym take up too much time, so I opted for the easier option!

If I wanted a blow out xmas day one advantage would just be to test my blood sugar, it would be interesting after a year of dropping my carb intake way down would my insulin resistance have changed for the better or do I get great readings now only because I am eating well.

Put your foot down next time, first time ive used a gym on holidays but it added to the day, it helped that my wife likes swimming and our hotel had a 50mtr pool so she was happy, I was only doing cardio (I had an office move coming and wanted to get bike fit for commuting), Ive a low tolerance for sun so we only ever went to the beach around 3pm.
Each to their own with gym work but it sounds like you do a lot during the week? I see various people posting online that they get a lot done with much less time than others?

I haven't been on keto long - just over a month and I too feel better with low carbs, however, weight is slow to drop and I do miss bread

There is a family history of digestive issues (serious) - a sibling diagnosed ceoliac quite late on in life too so I'm wondering is the gluten free aspect making me feel better.

But I am learning there is no substitute for potato

Interesting podcast with Joe Rogan who had Dom D'Agostino and Layne Norton on.

DD is a big advocate of keto but he did admit that the calorie balance is what determines weight loss and that it's just a tool that gets you there.

Did advocate a lot of other benefits but it was a pleasantly surprising discussion that didn't fall into the realm of extremes at either side.

another interesting Rogan one, a vegan doctor and someone who would be more paleo based. ive only listened to the first hour where they get into the quality of nutritional research

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

Dont blame the butter for what the potato did! 😀

There is keto 90 second bread. Ideal for making a burger bun (burger, cheese, lettuce, fried egg....on top of toasted 90 second bread!!! big favourite in my house)

And there is fat-head pizza....

I have made 90 second bread - brilliant for keeping the carb cravings at bay... but no potato

And I won't make fathead pizza cos I'm scared about the amount of cals per slice.

Butter...oh god 😠how I have embraced the buttery goodness.