ketogenic forum

there is a vegan and vegetarian board so why not one for people that follow a ketogenic diet?

good there is reddit!

323 wrote: »

No, there doesn't appear to be, mores the pity. Logged on here for the first time in months, was curious to see if there was and found this.
No, not to many following this sort of HFLC diet/lifestyle as yet but it is gaining momentum, have converted a few folks to that way of thinking in the last 6 months.

Many people never heard about this diet, I started the diet for health reason and it helped me a lot, I have also lost a lot a weight.
I was looking for a dietitian in Dublin that helps with this diet but I can't find any, I am doing a lazy keto so I never weight or measure anything, still I am having a lot of positive benefits
Are you on a strict keto diet, what percentage of fat do you take during your day?

Cavey wrote: »

Reddit.com/r/vegan has just under 200k subs and /r/vegetarian has 104k subs.

reddit.com/r/keto has 657k subs

maybe in Ireland there are not so many people following a ketogenic diet, many of them don't even know what is about

neacy69 wrote: »

Is there somewhere to pickup the basics and sample food plans? Most of the youtube stuff is keto v paleo v this v that...A recommended video would be a good start or a book i could read. I would like to research this before deciding if its for me.

There are a lot of information in internet regarding ketogenic diet and I found very confusing. At the end I start following the youtuber stephanie Keto person, she is great. She did tons of video and I saw many of them and I took notes meanwhile I was watching them
I like her because she is teaching a very strict keto and she doesn't promote any carb replacement (so no fake breads or cakes) I was wondering how to increase the amount of fat in my diet and I followed her suggestion, now I drink my fat. Cooking with fat is not enough. In her video she is talking about taking our fat counting the tablespoons we take. If I am not wrong she said we should take 12 tablespoon of fat each day. So I add my fat (coconut oil or MCT oil)in my cup of tea that I drink during the day. At lunch and dinner I add tablespoons of lard to my broth. Then I add to my meals several tablespoon of homemade mayonnaise. This advise was perfect for me because I used to eat every 4 hours, now with this amount of fat I just eat three times a day. No snack, because you don't really need snacks if you are in a ketogenic diet.
Other thing Stephanie suggests to take in account are food sensitivities. Food intolerances can prevent you to go in ketosis. So you will have to understand if you have some food intolerance
For this reason she suggests to eat a very basic diet. I essentially eat all kind of fish,meat and low carb vegetables. And of course plenty of fat. I don't eat any diary, grains, beans and fruit (with exception of berries). Stephanie use butter but I use lard, duck fat or beef dripping instead.
For lunch/dinner I cook fish/meat and with some cooked veg and uncooked veg like salad. When I cook for others that don't follow a ketogenic diet I just add some rice or potatoes. I use an instant pot a lot
Stephanie also says that circadian rhythms is very important and we should got bed (10 pm)and wake up early (6pm) and in order to balance the cycle she advises wearing blue light blocking glasses from 6pm. I used to go to sleep very late but now I don't do that any more thanks to the glasses. It took several months to adapt.
I follow a ketogenic diet for medical reason but at the same time I lost more than 20 kilos in less then one year and I am not slave to food anymore, I was carbs addicted. I just eat fresh food now and I don't buy any processed food. My life is much simple now.

I dont count any calories, if I decrease my fat I would need to eat more often

cold case wrote: »

I am so fed up with this diet, i end up just cooking as normal for the family, and i have smaller portions, and cut way down on mashed potatoes rice, spaghetti and no bread. A couple of times I just had 2 fried eggs with grated cheese, that's so boring. Basically, I don't like most of the recipes, even if I could buy the ingredients in the local shops!! Looking at youtube videos, it's as if, if you don't keep all the strict rules, you are not going to loose weight, or even put on weight. Is it normal to be really grumpy going without carbs? Very tempted to give up, even though its my doctor wants me to loose weight. Completely fed up with myself, I was all enthusiastic at the start.

I am hungry most of the time, but the thought of eating more fat? That's just so alien, and what do you do to add fat to a meal, it's like should I put a slice of butter on my plate? And if I manage to eat the fat, surely I will put on weight? I am cooking normally for the rest of the family, because they expect their normal meals, so unless I start from scratch and cook separately for myself, but you're just so starving getting ready dinner for the others, I just feel like I am going to snap!!!

I have loads of apples, peaches, kiwis, and I am drinking plenty of water, for lunch I just have 3 fish fingers with no bread, and black coffee. For dinners I have the meat we are all having, usually fish or chicken, and I have plenty of vegetables, and maybe 5 or 6 chips. I am trawling through the recipes online, and having people cheerfully saying you can make mash from cauliflower makes me want to cry!! I don't think this is for me at all. Hopefully I will loose weight by cutting out bread, potatoes, and all sugary snacks, and maybe I will learn to live with the hunger if I loose some weight. I have managed to loose around half a stone in a couple of weeks, but then someone on youtube said that's just water I've lost!!

Sorry for being so negative, it's the hunger!!! I'll live.....

it is normal to be grumpy when you stop eating carbs. Carbs are addictive. You get withdrawal symptoms, especially if you don't compensate with fat. Ify you take away the carb you must eat fat otherwise where you are going to get your energy? The easiest thing to do is cook chicken broth and before or after your dinner drink a cup of it but first add a spoon of lard (you find it in the polish shop) in it. I also like adding in my broth a scramble eggs and fresh herbs. The lunch/dinner is like the rest of the family: meat/ fish plus vegetables. Of course you can't eat chips ,you are going to eat low carb veg but for the rest of the family you can cook potato, pasta or rice. Fruits are forbidden if you are eating fruits you are not following a ketogenic diet. The only fruit you can eat is avocado. If you eat a whole avocado, scramble eggs for breakfast and you put one spoon of coconout oil or mct oil in you the you will be fine till lunch time and maybe later. The fact that eating more fat make you fat is not true, people have been brainwashed to remove fat from their diet to lose weight. As a matter the fact the slim line food have nearly 0 fat but the reason of this is not for you losing more weight but is making you spending more money. If you eat food with not fat you have to eat more often and of course spend more money on food. It is all a business, if people will start to eat more fat, they will buy less food especially packaged food which is mainly made of carbs. I don't cook any particular keto meal and I don't search on line recipes because I can eat any type of fish and meat and many low carb veg. I eat also eggs and avocados. I do a lot of homemade mayonnaise that I add to my salad ,fish and meat. What else should I need? this is the food that mother nature provides. It is nothing very complicated, I know it is hard too cook for other food that you can't eat but if you eat a cup of broth with lard before start cooking the last think you will want is eating. I am surprise your doctor suggested you a keto diet, there are not many doctors like that, didn't he suggest you a specialist that could follow you in this diet?

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

Thanks, Alf. That article is well reasoned.

Doesn’t sound like this diet is suitable for the OP. I would suggest my method as more suitable:

Don’t exclude anything bar sweets - chocolate, crisps etc.
Measure and log everything
Check your average over last 7 days daily (in app) as this is all that matters
Use extra calories on naughty food - takeaway - makes adherence easier as no thought of sacrifice.

I have left the last bit behind when I lost the bulk of the weight.

this is a ketogenic forum and we are talking about keto diet, of course changing diet and life style is not always easy. Keto diet is not working for everybody but I hope in this forum we can give the right motivation to people that want to start this WOE. The OP's GP suggested her to follow this diet. I think she should try and then she will see if it works for her. I am doing a lazy keto, I am not weight any think, I don't have a patience for this. I lost 20 kilos in less than one year. I am in bed most of the time because I have a muscle genetic condition so I have a very sedentary life but I still lost a lot of weight. At the beginning is very difficult because carbs/sugar are addictive, this is the main problem, but honestly I think bar sweets and crisps are not healthy food for anyone