superlevy 2015

keep going · 14-10-2014 9:52am

Waste of time sending anything to ndc, I presume its the idb you mean.the ndc should be abolished as its role could be easily delt with the idb.as for the grass based advantage in marketing, yes its very real but it all comes down to wether the purchasing company decides to use it or not. Irish dairy product is sold in two ways , some is sold through direct marketing as in kerrygold butter, dubliner cheese,pilgrims choice etc wheras the larger volumes are done on contracts with various companies and retailers.these contracts are typically price based and while lower margin they have lowercosts associated with them as well.branded and niche products have higher margins but if you want to go down that route better be prepared to open the wallet as building the brand and the image costs alot of money and does carry some risks aswell.you would hope that the grass image and the research work that shows it lower carbon footprint would help to swing deals but I wouldnt be expectin much higher margins on the strength of it.one other point , quotas biggest legacey is the archaic processing structure in ireland and the healthiest thing to happen lately is movement of suppliers with stratroy and the potential shake up in arrabawn, for too long managers and boards were secure in the knowledge that nobody was going nowhere

Dawggone · 14-10-2014 10:11am

keep going wrote: »

Waste of time sending anything to ndc, I presume its the idb you mean.the ndc should be abolished as its role could be easily delt with the idb.as for the grass based advantage in marketing, yes its very real but it all comes down to wether the purchasing company decides to use it or not. Irish dairy product is sold in two ways , some is sold through direct marketing as in kerrygold butter, dubliner cheese,pilgrims choice etc wheras the larger volumes are done on contracts with various companies and retailers.these contracts are typically price based and while lower margin they have lowercosts associated with them as well.branded and niche products have higher margins but if you want to go down that route better be prepared to open the wallet as building the brand and the image costs alot of money and does carry some risks aswell.you would hope that the grass image and the research work that shows it lower carbon footprint would help to swing deals but I wouldnt be expectin much higher margins on the strength of it

Question. Research and development??

Where is it? What Coop's are the innovators??

A very good friend of mine from Uni days got a job in Moorepark as a research scientist. She did invaluable work on "rennet"(?) for cheese (I think?) production. Then she was the leader in the country inventing butter spreads.
She is now working in the Uni of Wisconsin on dairy research because the powers that be decided it was better to make the staff redundant and lease out the premises on a daily rate to the Coop's. Pure genius.

Whatever you may think of the Frogs they are one of the biggest exporters in the world of processed foods. Add value. Simples.

5live · 14-10-2014 10:44am

Dawggone wrote: »

Question. Research and development??

Where is it? What Coop's are the innovators??

A very good friend of mine from Uni days got a job in Moorepark as a research scientist. She did invaluable work on "rennet"(?) for cheese (I think?) production. Then she was the leader in the country inventing butter spreads.
She is now working in the Uni of Wisconsin on dairy research because the powers that be decided it was better to make the staff redundant and lease out the premises on a daily rate to the Coop's. Pure genius.

Whatever you may think of the Frogs they are one of the biggest exporters in the world of processed foods. Add value. Simples.

R&D is a very costly exercise with a minimum recommended spend of over 5% of turnover to achieve anything worthwhile. We would only have 3 processors with a spend in R&D that would be large enough to get good results. Not until we have 3-4 processors in total and spending that kind of money will anything worthwhile be achieved.

But the smaller processors are very reluctant to merge between farmers looking to preserve their independence(read lower prices) and management and workers looking to keep their jobs. There is a hell of a lot of consolidation that needs to be done, and quickly, before any progress in value-added is achieved.

Also, the majority of farmers are committed to seasonal production and there would be a huge need for a flattening of the milk production curve to supply the raw materials.

Tbf, there is a lot of added-value already in the processing sector but it isn't appearing on the shelves to consumers but attracting buyers for products to add to other ingredients eg. protein products to be added to food products by Kerry and protein for sport drinks by Glanbia.

keep going · 14-10-2014 11:02am

Dawggone wrote: »

Question. Research and development??

Where is it? What Coop's are the innovators??
R
A very good friend of mine from Uni days got a job in Moorepark as a research scientist. She did invaluable work on "rennet"(?) for cheese (I think?) production. Then she was the leader in the country inventing butter spreads.
She is now working in the Uni of Wisconsin on dairy research because the powers that be decided it was better to make the staff redundant and lease out the premises on a daily rate to the Coop's. Pure genius.

Whatever you may think of the Frogs they are one of the biggest exporters in the world of processed foods. Add value. Simples.

And what are the processor s that are renting that space doing, they are doing research as well .carbery use the moorpark facilities as well as havi g their own but r and d is a normal part of being in business and usally just about maintains your postion with the odd big break but that could be one big sucess a decade in the whole industry.I have seen the various ideas that have been worked on in carbery over the years and the sucess rate is much higher on ideas that tweak a process or product rather than new products.the other problem with innovation is its advantage is short lived and needs to be constantly evolved.that said if there are farmers that are going to get a kick up the whole over the next few years , theres a few processor s that need an almighty one but its about 20 years too late

Dawggone · 14-10-2014 11:07am

5live wrote: »

R&D is a very costly exercise with a minimum recommended spend of over 5% of turnover to achieve anything worthwhile. We would only have 3 processors with a spend in R&D that would be large enough to get good results. Not until we have 3-4 processors in total and spending that kind of money will anything worthwhile be achieved.

But the smaller processors are very reluctant to merge between farmers looking to preserve their independence(read lower prices) and management and workers looking to keep their jobs. There is a hell of a lot of consolidation that needs to be done, and quickly, before any progress in value-added is achieved.

Also, the majority of farmers are committed to seasonal production and there would be a huge need for a flattening of the milk production curve to supply the raw materials.

Tbf, there is a lot of added-value already in the processing sector but it isn't appearing on the shelves to consumers but attracting buyers for products to add to other ingredients eg. protein products to be added to food products by Kerry and protein for sport drinks by Glanbia.

Good points all.
Probably Kerry have the most experience when it comes to ingredients as they are now world players in that market. I think that milk is now only 5% of turnover in Kerry group.

The point I'm trying to make is that Coop's in Ireland are reactive, not proactive. They have known for quite a while that there is going to be a big increase in production. So what do they do?
They look to NZ and say that they will follow that model to a T.
Export to China and hope that the Kiwi's have a couple of botulism scares. That is fair lazy when there are 400 million plus wealthy consumers on the doorstep to be exploited.

As a wheat grower I would prefer to be selling wheat to make bread than pig feed.

There are too many guys on here that reckon the sun rises in Ballyragget and sets in Belview.

kowtow · 14-10-2014 1:11pm

I'm always a bit wary when I hear the word "innovation" around the food business... and this week I see it time and time again.

Farmers have been making - and more importantly selling - value added products from milk for centuries. When they have needed to, they have grouped together in co-ops to do it better. It doesn't only have to be about endless bells & whistles and new protein drinks and ingredients, new foods for new food consumers and hundreds of millions in investment - it's about producing premium food products of truly international quality, which are unique to our (very different, and globally recognisable) regions.

Where I lived in Switzerland every family on the mountain produced its own cheese, from very small herds. Every cheese was individually recognisable and some were internationally famous. Out of 20 or 30 herds in the village no producer was large enough to warrant a milk truck collection - churns every morning to the molkerei [co-op] where the remnant was made into local cheese, cream, liquid milk. Every one of those families with 10, 20, 30 cows was able to pay their way, to afford the (not inexpensive) cost of swiss education for their children etc. etc. etc.

No two countries are the same, but perhaps sometimes we forget that quality - and even innovation - come from the bottom up.

5live · 14-10-2014 1:32pm

Dawggone wrote: »

Good points all.
Probably Kerry have the most experience when it comes to ingredients as they are now world players in that market. I think that milk is now only 5% of turnover in Kerry group.

The point I'm trying to make is that Coop's in Ireland are reactive, not proactive. They have known for quite a while that there is going to be a big increase in production. So what do they do?
They look to NZ and say that they will follow that model to a T.
Export to China and hope that the Kiwi's have a couple of botulism scares. That is fair lazy when there are 400 million plus wealthy consumers on the doorstep to be exploited.

As a wheat grower I would prefer to be selling wheat to make bread than pig feed.

There are too many guys on here that reckon the sun rises in Ballyragget and sets in Belview.

That 5% masks the massive importance of milk to Kerry. They use that 5% to produce a huge value-added which is attributed to the PLC whereas, in reality, the produce is purchased at commodity price and farmers are paid commodity price for a unique raw material, grassfed milk. Granted, PLC dividends pay for the value added, but that should be viewed as an off-farm income source, imo.

On the co-ops being lazy and ignoring the wealthy consumer on its doorstep, its true up to a point. Again, scale of operation has a huge bearing on the R&D spend(amalgamation needed) and also experience of producing what consumers want. The intervention market did a huge service for farmers in providing a base price for milk but it also did a huge disservice to processors because it provided a safe haven for produce and reduced the incentive for processors to look for new markets and products to reach those markets. It would take over a decade, probably longer, to incentivise the management and researchers to go out and investigate those markets and produce a product or products to service those markets.

And yes, this forum is hugely Glanbia centered but that reflects the predominately eastern catchment posting on here. You would have to go elsewhere to get views and information on other processors.

milkprofit · 14-10-2014 2:29pm

5live wrote: »

That 5% masks the massive importance of milk to Kerry. They use that 5% to produce a huge value-added which is attributed to the PLC whereas, in reality, the produce is purchased at commodity price and farmers are paid commodity price for a unique raw material, grassfed milk. Granted, PLC dividends pay for the value added, but that should be viewed as an off-farm income source, imo.

On the co-ops being lazy and ignoring the wealthy consumer on its doorstep, its true up to a point. Again, scale of operation has a huge bearing on the R&D spend(amalgamation needed) and also experience of producing what consumers want. The intervention market did a huge service for farmers in providing a base price for milk but it also did a huge disservice to processors because it provided a safe haven for produce and reduced the incentive for processors to look for new markets and products to reach those markets. It would take over a decade, probably longer, to incentivise the management and researchers to go out and investigate those markets and produce a product or products to service those markets.

And yes, this forum is hugely Glanbia centered but that reflects the predominately eastern catchment posting on here. You would have to go elsewhere to get views and information on other processors.

The problem ! If glanbia found a food derived from milk the only way they have of getting it to consumer in large quantites is through the supermarkets who would be looking for 50/ cent margin

freedominacup · 14-10-2014 6:42pm

kowtow wrote: »

There is an exception in the case of Switzerland and the more mountainous regions in France - especially for Cheese production.

There is no question that the taste of fermented rations comes through in the final product - hence the total ban on pain of death of feeding Silage in the Swiss Alps... there is also a good deal of variety in the individual grasses from season to season and meadow to meadow, which comes through in the finished product.

Some cheeses are more susceptible than others, however - I'm not sure whether silage feeding or maize feeding has any impact on a strong cheddar for example - watch this space.

For the most part though, it's perception - although there is no reason why consumers should not prefer to pay for free range milk in the same way that they do for free range eggs, should they choose to.

I know I'm being lazy but do the Swiss export much of their output? A lot easier to niche market small volumes.

kowtow · 14-10-2014 9:13pm

freedominacup wrote: »

I know I'm being lazy but do the Swiss export much of their output? A lot easier to niche market small volumes.

A good deal of the more famous cheeses, Gruyere, Emmenthal, Tomme etc, Reblochon... many more I am sure I am thinking locally.

What seriously impressed me was the way they handle logistics. Every supermarket - even big chains - carries local milk as well as 'national' milk not to mention cheeses, yoghurts etc.

On the other hand perhaps they take it a little bit *too* seriously - the local cheese chief (the big cheese? - think head of the co-op) in our molkerei once 'accidentally' labelled cheese from a village 4 or 5km away as our own premium mountain cheese and sent it down the valley to a supermarket.

He was arrested. Lucky to get away with a fraud charge and a suspended sentence.

keep going · 14-10-2014 10:40pm

I remember reading about A1 andA 2 milk a years back, supposed to be suitable for lactose intolerance people but nothing ever seem to come of it, anybody come across it lately

trixi2011 · 15-10-2014 6:03pm

Managed an a2 herd in Nz utill June . Got 39c a kg bonus when they used it for a2 production. 9c a Kg ms retainer on all milk solids produced . A2 milk I supplied was used to make baby milk for lactose intolerant babies .

Markcheese · 15-10-2014 7:02pm

keep going wrote: »

I remember reading about A1 andA 2 milk a years back, supposed to be suitable for lactose intolerance people but nothing ever seem to come of it, anybody come across it lately

I have a few customers who look for a2 cheese... I haven't got access to any though ... A lot of the older breeds of dairy cows are supposedly mainly a2 .. ( Kerry's, dairy shorthorn, guernsey ,some montbelliards.. )

C0N0R · 15-10-2014 7:02pm

Markcheese wrote: »

I have a few customers who look for a2 cheese... I haven't got access to any though ... A lot of the older breeds of dairy cows are supposedly mainly a2 .. ( Kerry's, dairy shorthorn, guernsey ,some montbelliards.. )

DNA testing can be done to see what cows are A2

frazzledhome · 17-10-2014 12:00am

Big fine on the way

Greengrass1 · 17-10-2014 12:04am

frazzledhome wrote: »

Big fine on the way

Is that your missus??
Wow.

frazzledhome · 17-10-2014 6:40am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Is that your missus??
Wow.

Yip on school run

lefthooker · 17-10-2014 7:29am

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yip on school run

Great shape, great showing. What's her EBI?

Timmaay · 17-10-2014 7:29am

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yip on school run

I typed in a word which got auto corrected to milk!

lefthooker · 17-10-2014 7:34am

Timmaay wrote: »

I typed in a word which got auto corrected to milk!

You mustn't type that word often then. Mine doesn't correct for it anymore:D

mahoney_j · 17-10-2014 9:44am

frazzledhome wrote: »

Big fine on the way

Def a pure bred Holstein ,has it all size ,type and a feckin great udder,who needs x breeds!!!!

mahoney_j · 17-10-2014 9:44am

frazzledhome wrote: »

Big fine on the way

Def a pure bred Holstein ,has it all size ,type and a feckin great udder,who needs x breeds!!!!

keep going · 17-10-2014 11:29am

mahoney_j wrote: »

Def a pure bred Holstein ,has it all size ,type and a feckin great udder,who needs x breeds!!!!

yeah and high maintaince too id say

Greengrass1 · 17-10-2014 11:51am

mahoney_j wrote: »

Def a pure bred Holstein ,has it all size ,type and a feckin great udder,who needs x breeds!!!!

Like all holsteins its all fake!

mahoney_j · 17-10-2014 1:01pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Like all holsteins its all fake!

Who wouldnt like to snuggle up to them .i mean her every night!!!

johnny mooie moo · 05-11-2014 6:36pm

Im considering breeding cows to A2A2 holstein bulls. Would anyone consider this a worthwhile direction and could the market for this milk develop into the future. Has anyone gone down this route and has it been worth the effort. Thanks

mahoney_j · 05-11-2014 7:14pm

johnny mooie moo wrote: »

Im considering breeding cows to A2A2 holstein bulls. Would anyone consider this a worthwhile direction and could the market for this milk develop into the future. Has anyone gone down this route and has it been worth the effort. Thanks

What is an a2 a2 Holstein???????

RightTurnClyde · 05-11-2014 11:49pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

What is an a2 a2 Holstein???????

I looked into this years ago when I was starting Dairying. I bought a bunch of Brown Swiss because of this, they are genetically high in a2. From what I remember A2 milk is the milk type that the majority of mammals produce. A1 milk is the milk that Holsteins produce. A1 and a2 refer to a type of beta casin in the protein. A1 came about from a genetic mutation in Ho cows, way back.
There are supposed to be some links to ill health ( lactose intolerance, autism, obesity, etc) to a1 type milk. It's why a lot of health freaks go for goats milk or soya milk. It's easier to produce a nicer cheese from a2 milk aswell
The ability to produce a2 milk can be gene tested, so you're a2a2 cow is Pure breed a2 milk producer.
I had great plans for trying something like this when I started years ago, ( Brown Swiss produce 70% a2), but no milk purchaser interested, so I dropped the ball on it.

Markcheese · 06-11-2014 12:01am

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

I looked into this years ago when I was starting Dairying. I bought a bunch of Brown Swiss because of this, they are genetically high in a2. From what I remember A2 milk is the milk type that the majority of mammals produce. A1 milk is the milk that Holsteins produce. A1 and a2 refer to a type of beta casin in the protein. A1 came about from a genetic mutation in Ho cows, way back.
There are supposed to be some links to ill health ( lactose intolerance, autism, obesity, etc) to a1 type milk. It's why a lot of health freaks go for goats milk or soya milk. It's easier to produce a nicer cheese from a2 milk aswell
The ability to produce a2 milk can be gene tested, so you're a2a2 cow is Pure breed a2 milk producer.
I had great plans for trying something like this when I started years ago, ( Brown Swiss produce 70% a2), but no milk purchaser interested, so I dropped the ball on it.

Nobody really wants to mention it - a processor would have to be exclusively a2 , or they'd be putting down their other products promoting A2...

RightTurnClyde · 06-11-2014 12:14am

Markcheese wrote: »

Nobody really wants to mention it - a processor would have to be exclusively a2 , or they'd be putting down their other products promoting A2...

You'd wonder is it something the likes of Teagasc should be looking, it could be a way of selling Irish milk as a very premium product.

johnny mooie moo · 06-11-2014 12:43pm

Thanks for the replies.
Ya I noticed some bulls were labelled A2A2 so I did a little research. Getting big in Australia and new zeland. In Aus. 8% of total liquid milk market now A2A2 and growing Whilst selling at a premium price. Supposed to have good health benefits but not proven.
Guy who began A2A2 milk in NZ almost went bankrupt taking Fonterra to court trying to force them to label A1 milk as harmful to human health. Ironically he died young but I think market or A2A2 milk is growing. I just think it may be a way of becoming less volatile but big question is is it worth the hassle and investment cost?

Deepsouthwest · 06-11-2014 8:42pm

johnny mooie moo wrote: »

Thanks for the replies.
Ya I noticed some bulls were labelled A2A2 so I did a little research. Getting big in Australia and new zeland. In Aus. 8% of total liquid milk market now A2A2 and growing Whilst selling at a premium price. Supposed to have good health benefits but not proven.
Guy who began A2A2 milk in NZ almost went bankrupt taking Fonterra to court trying to force them to label A1 milk as harmful to human health. Ironically he died young but I think market or A2A2 milk is growing. I just think it may be a way of becoming less volatile but big question is is it worth the hassle and investment cost?

And that is the big question. The answer to which is probably no.

whelan2 · 14-11-2014 3:21pm

whelan2 wrote: »

in journal this morning, on 31st august 2014 ireland was 6.4% over quota. At end of September
Arrabawn 10% over
Aurivo 3% over
Bandon 8.4%
Barryroe 8%
Centenary Thurles 9.8%
Dairygold 9.4%
Drinagh 9%
Glanbia 7.4%
Kerry 3.5%
Lakelands 8.5%
Lisavaird 9%
Tipperary 8.0%
Town of Monaghan 6%
Wexford 7.2%
all over quota

at the end of october
Arrabawn 10% over (estimated)
Aurivo 3% over
Barryroe 9% over
Centenary Thurles 10% over (est)
Dairygold 9.2%
Drinagh 9.75% over (est)
Glanbia 8%
Kerry 4%
Lakelands 9.5%
Lisavaird 9%
Wexford 7% over
from yesterdays journal , cant see the nationwide figure, some creameries are missing from last month, it also says that October 2014 supply was ahead of 2013

mahoney_j · 14-11-2014 3:46pm

whelan2 wrote: »

at the end of october
Arrabawn 10% over (estimated)
Aurivo 3% over
Barryroe 9% over
Centenary Thurles 10% over (est)
Dairygold 9.2%
Drinagh 9.75% over (est)
Glanbia 8%
Kerry 4%
Lakelands 9.5%
Lisavaird 9%
Wexford 7% over
from yesterdays journal , cant see the nationwide figure, some creameries are missing from last month, it also says that October 2014 supply was ahead of 2013

Think Arrabawn is currently 10.8% over,were fooked just like the rest of the country quota wise!luckily for me I'm fairly ok

blackdog1 · 14-11-2014 4:28pm

Pretty sure dairygold are gonna deduct the fine over 2 years. New entrants who go way over and have big loans are going to be in serious trouble if milk price is 28c or less. I see in the journal this week bill o keefe wrote that Greenfield sites needed 33c a litre and he himself produced milk this year for 25c. Top 10% are supposedly producing milk for 20c.
Could be very tough next year for everyone.

mahoney_j · 14-11-2014 4:54pm

blackdog1 wrote: »

Pretty sure dairygold are gonna deduct the fine over 2 years. New entrants who go way over and have big loans are going to be in serious trouble if milk price is 28c or less. I see in the journal this week bill o keefe wrote that Greenfield sites needed 33c a litre and he himself produced milk this year for 25c. Top 10% are supposedly producing milk for 20c.
Could be very tough next year for everyone.

If they are and that's a big if,wtf are they doing letting that go to print for.its another stick to beat us with.production costs are something which never make it past a discussion group meeting.

Timmaay · 14-11-2014 5:24pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

If they are and that's a big if,wtf are they doing letting that go to print for.its another stick to beat us with.production costs are something which never make it past a discussion group meeting.

25c was defo shy his own labour, and him and his father are both full time? Lump in 80grand (being conservative), that's another 6/7 cent across 200cows.

mahoney_j · 14-11-2014 5:37pm

Timmaay wrote: »

25c was defo shy his own labour, and him and his father are both full time? Lump in 80grand (being conservative), that's another 6/7 cent across 200cows.

If I remover from reading re labour cost was very small,you can manipulate a pm to suit yourself .i try and do mine as accurately as possible to give the truest picture of my costs.i ain't and won't quote it here but I honestly don't believe any one can produce milk here at or anywhere near 20
Cent unless your a bachelor with no dependants loans ,don't leave the farm etc.printing and releasing of on figures are and should be private to you and your dg if in one.

jaymla627 · 14-11-2014 5:46pm

blackdog1 wrote: »

Pretty sure dairygold are gonna deduct the fine over 2 years. New entrants who go way over and have big loans are going to be in serious trouble if milk price is 28c or less. I see in the journal this week bill o keefe wrote that Greenfield sites needed 33c a litre and he himself produced milk this year for 25c. Top 10% are supposedly producing milk for 20c.
Could be very tough next year for everyone.

Sure the money you save by not owning a calving jack goes along way towards reducing costs, had to be one of the most stupid pieces of writing i ever seen in the comic and it came out of the lads mouth your talking about wouldn't be taking anything that chap above says to seriously

milkprofit · 14-11-2014 6:10pm

see in the journal this week bill o keefe wrote that Greenfield sites needed 33c a litre and he himself produced milk this year for 25c. Top 10% are supposedly producing milk for 20c.
please show me the proof

Greengrass1 · 14-11-2014 6:26pm

No one can produce milk for 20c not even 25c and pay them selves complete bull. We would survive if base was 28c but survive is about all

degetme · 14-11-2014 6:38pm

when are lads and lassises going to have there quota full by in the spring?
cows dried off here nearly 3 weeks.
have 7% of owned quota left to fill. hopeing for some temp leasing and fleximilk.
Kerry suppiller

mahoney_j · 14-11-2014 6:44pm

degetme wrote: »

when are lads and lassises going to have there quota full by in the spring?
cows dried off here nearly 3 weeks.
have 7% of owned quota left to fill. hopeing for some temp leasing and fleximilk.
Kerry suppiller

Good luck with that,I'll be full around paddys day and can and will hold 6 days milk if needed

frazzledhome · 14-11-2014 7:51pm

Don't usually read his piece as he's full of shyte but I did tonight to see what the fuss is about.

To be fair nowhere in the piece does he refer to "his own" profit monitor. He is talking of the profit monitors that have been submitted.

His words on price and debt, I don't think I'd disagree with any of it.

milkprofit · 14-11-2014 7:55pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

Don't usually read his piece as he's full of shyte but I did tonight to see what the fuss is about.

To be fair nowhere in the piece does he refer to "his own" profit monitor. He is talking of the profit monitors that have been submitted.

His words on price and debt, I don't think I'd disagree with any of it.

Why print milk produced at 20 c does he believe that possible

Cow Porter · 27-02-2015 1:47pm

Anyone know what their coops are doing re deductions of superlevy? was on last weeks journal that big phil was to come out with statement that payments will be made to the commission in 3 equal parts interest free and that the bills will fall due when final quota position is established later in the year.

so are coops still deducting currently or will they be taking 1/3 in September for the next 3 years??

our coop is deduction half now and the rest over 2 years i think but the above scheme would certainly suit cash flows on farms better. Perhaps coops may be cautious on people leaving that coop or leaving milk all together.

Greengrass1 · 27-02-2015 2:11pm

Paying it over summer months here. Talk of it being paid over 3 yrs which would suit us grand

keep going · 27-02-2015 2:20pm

next collection will fill it,what a bollick of crack,im counting the days to it going

mahoney_j · 27-02-2015 8:08pm

My levy is well paid,bought a lot of quota on exchange at priority and mcp over last few years ,most lads said I was nuts ,maby I was but most of them are now facing very big super levy bills payable now and spread over next year or 2.ive just sent a record February supply for this farm in and will send in more or less full supply to end of March,may have to hold 5 days milk.wont be making any appologies for it either.

Greengrass1 · 28-02-2015 8:31am

mahoney_j wrote: »

My levy is well paid,bought a lot of quota on exchange at priority and mcp over last few years ,most lads said I was nuts ,maby I was but most of them are now facing very big super levy bills payable now and spread over next year or 2.ive just sent a record February supply for this farm in and will send in more or less full supply to end of March,may have to hold 5 days milk.wont be making any appologies for it either.

I've sent a record supply too

Tbf were only back at what numbers we were at 10 yrs ago.
The boss says he has it all worked out and isn't worried

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