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New R&A Rules from 1/1/19

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  • #52
    backspin.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    Rikand wrote: »
    But under the current rules there's no telling how many times you might have hit it out of town.

    The rule change means you only have to go OOB once

    Yeah it just adds another option. If your first shot was a complete horror that went OB about 50 yards from the tee you might be better to take your chances and reload off the tee. If it was a reasonable shot that just trickled out of bounds further up the hole you could use the drop option.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptafkz3XjYg


    It looks like you can drop back onto the fairway and play from there as your 4th shot if you are taking relief under this new local rule.


  • #53
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    backspin. wrote: »
    Yeah it just adds another option. If your first shot was a complete horror that went OB about 50 yards from the tee you might be better to take your chances and reload off the tee. If it was a reasonable shot that just trickled out of bounds further up the hole you could use the drop option.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptafkz3XjYg


    It looks like you can drop back onto the fairway and play from there as your 4th shot if you are taking relief under this new local rule.

    usually find that second chance means a drive out the middle anyway!


  • #54
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    Already thread on the topic here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057851052 ... perhaps a mod could join the two?


  • #55
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    As mentioned in the other thread, I am completely against the Stoke and Distance rule. Not only is it open to abuse and completely against the spirit of the game but the actual relief options are complex and time consuming and will lead to more confusion. Most players don't know how to correctly take a drop yet alone the procedures below...
    HighLine wrote: »
    It's still allowing you to drop on the fairway, albeit not the middle. That's even more farcical IMO. And it's actually a complex system for doing it.

    In particular the procedure for a lost ball. Don't understand the need for the initial 2 club length measurement given the arc will be so wide as to include the fairway. Players don't even know how to correctly drop a ball as it is!

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  • #56
    Deep Thought
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    ForeRight wrote: »
    I've seen balls lost in rough or what appeared to be perfect from the tee in play lots of times.

    So you'd have people searching for a ball for 3 minutes to then have to go walk all the way back and hit again. There is always someone then on the tee waiting to play. It's a horrible situation then add in all this happening on a hole that has danger off the tee like OOB or a bottle neck of trees tee shot. The person hits OOB or into the trees in a medal.

    I can see how easily a course can turn to shambolic pace quite quickly

    We introduced a local rule over the Winter that if you lost the ball then you could drop it in the vicinity once you playing partners agreed under penalty.

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • #57
    FixdePitchmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,958 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Mad thing.

    I have used the lost ball rule above in a society I run - they are all beginners

    It is an embarrassingly daft rule - and am a bit shocked it is coming into the game.


  • #58
    Nemesis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭Nemesis


    Is the max increase of one shot to your handicap over a year based on your starting h'cap or your lowest h'cap?.

    Or is it that your just allowed ten 0.1's over the year?.


  • #59
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Russman


    Nemesis wrote: »
    Is the max increase of one shot to your handicap over a year based on your starting h'cap or your lowest h'cap?.

    Or is it that your just allowed ten 0.1's over the year?.

    Its based on your lowest during the year


  • #60
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Russman


    I think on balance most of the new rules make sense and are ok., bearing in mind I'd say they were primarily driven by the US "market" where its generally a very different mindset to golf and following the rules. There's a bit of reading in them though, I had a quick scan of the new rule book and I think almost everything is different or under a new rule.

    I don't like not having to inform anyone that you're going to pick up your ball to identify it - that's a little bit too far for me tbh.

    I'm fine with the new OOB rules, its a two shot penalty after all. Also you can't take the new option if you hit a provisional, so the choice is made before you know where the provo ends up.

    It'll take a bit of time to adjust but I think we'll get to grips with them.

    One thing I'm glad they didn't touch was giving relief from divots, I mean seriously, WTF !! Can you imagine the debates over whether a bad lie on the fairway was an old divot, a partially filled in one, some overspill from sand used to fill in a divot, just a small depression in the ground etc etc etc.
    Its rub of the green, man up and play the f--king thing as it lies. In 30 years I'd say I could count the number of times I've been in a divot on the fingers of one hand (ironically one of them was yesterday !:)). I've definitely got more good bounces into the fairway from trees than I have got bad lies in a divot.


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  • #61
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    Russman wrote: »
    I think on balance most of the new rules make sense and are ok., bearing in mind I'd say they were primarily driven by the US "market" where its generally a very different mindset to golf and following the rules. There's a bit of reading in them though, I had a quick scan of the new rule book and I think almost everything is different or under a new rule.

    I don't like not having to inform anyone that you're going to pick up your ball to identify it - that's a little bit too far for me tbh.

    I'm fine with the new OOB rules, its a two shot penalty after all. Also you can't take the new option if you hit a provisional, so the choice is made before you know where the provo ends up.

    It'll take a bit of time to adjust but I think we'll get to grips with them.

    One thing I'm glad they didn't touch was giving relief from divots, I mean seriously, WTF !! Can you imagine the debates over whether a bad lie on the fairway was an old divot, a partially filled in one, some overspill from sand used to fill in a divot, just a small depression in the ground etc etc etc.
    Its rub of the green, man up and play the f--king thing as it lies. In 30 years I'd say I could count the number of times I've been in a divot on the fingers of one hand (ironically one of them was yesterday !:)). I've definitely got more good bounces into the fairway from trees than I have got bad lies in a divot.

    i'm ok with the lost ball rule as well. Going back to tee in strokes comp after finding that your OOB is a disaster. playing 4 is a sufficent penalty i feel


  • #62
    Seve OB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,067 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    noting sweeter than in a match and you feel your opponent should really hit a provo

    they don't..... lost ball, do they walk back? maybe or maybe not, but great chance to win the hole either way.

    but maybe you are not in great shape... off the fairway, little trouble. now the fecker can just drop a ball in the middle of the fairway and play 4 into the green??????

    no, i'm not a fan of that


  • #63
    Golfgraffix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    HighLine wrote: »
    Another good introduction is relief from an embedded ball through the green (the entire course except hazards and teebox&green of hole being played). It always annoyed me watching the professionals getting relief from a plugged ball through the green but us amateurs are expected to hack it out (or take an unplayable) when our ball plugs in semi/rough.

    The 40 seconds per shot is far too long. Count that out in your head and pretend you're standing over a ball. It should be at least half that time.

    Ditto I have been plugged in a revetted face twice this year, not really fair having to take a penalty even it was back on short grass.


  • #64
    backspin.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    Russman wrote: »
    I don't like not having to inform anyone that you're going to pick up your ball to identify it - that's a little bit too far for me tbh.

    I agree, i think this one has the potential to be abused by some people in order to improve their lie in the semi-rough or rough.


  • #65
    backspin.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    These rules are a month away now. Our club hasn't even mentioned them.


  • #66
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    backspin. wrote: »
    These rules are a month away now. Our club hasn't even mentioned them.

    I've been putting them out on my club's social media and there has been very little interaction... likes,shares etc.

    I recently made a video tutorial for winter rules at my club and I'm considering doing the same with the main rule changes for 2019.

    It's hard to get the message across to members. There are a high percentage of players who don't know the current rules nevermind look at the new rules for 2019 in advance.

    So for the Winter Rules this year we 1) sent a written version out to members via email, 2) displayed them in the clubhouse, PRO Shop, locker rooms and noticeboards 3) put a video tutorial on all social media as well as the written version and 4) put on the club's website.

    I played with a guy today who didn't have a clue. Didn't know what nearest point of relief was and didn't know that he needed to mark his ball before lifting. He has been playing for years. Over the last few weeks, there has been plenty of similar situations with players not having a clue of the Winter Rules. It's frustrating and just goes to show that so many players just couldn't be arsed to try and learn the basic rules.


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  • #67
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Pretty decent summary of the rules change here...

    http://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules-hub/rules-modernization/major-changes/major-changes.html


  • #68
    Poker Face
    Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭Poker Face


    USGA-StrokeAndDistance-R4-18-0307.jpg

    Got a question on the above. Take the image on the left. Say the Ball goes out of bounds alot shorter than in that image, say before it it says Out of bounds, what happens with B as if you go to the edge of the fairway you are going nearer the hole.


  • #69
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    Poker Face wrote: »
    Got a question on the above. Take the image on the left. Say the Ball goes out of bounds alot shorter than in that image, say before it it says Out of bounds, what happens with B as if you go to the edge of the fairway you are going nearer the hole.

    Good question and it's not specifically addressed in the rule but they state the limitations as

    "Limits on Location of Relief Area:
    Must be in the general area, and
    Must not be nearer the hole than the ball reference point."

    So then you would not be able to drop on the fairway. I'm guessing it might be covered in the decisions. I'm also guessing not many clubs will adopt this local rule anyway... but that's only my own speculation.


  • #70
    Poker Face
    Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭Poker Face


    HighLine wrote: »
    Good question and it's not specifically addressed in the rule but they state the limitations as

    "Limits on Location of Relief Area:
    Must be in the general area, and
    Must not be nearer the hole than the ball reference point."

    So then you would not be able to drop on the fairway. I'm guessing it might be covered in the decisions. I'm also guessing not many clubs will adopt this local rule anyway... but that's only my own speculation.

    Yeah I agree but I know fellas who would say they could!!! Needs a bit more clarification. Can you drop within 2 club lenghts of where it went OB not near the hole and be playing 4? On my example if its close to the tee then you are probably better playing 3 off the tee anyway.


  • #71
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    So you can put your tee shot way OOB/lost and drop onto the fairway and play your fourth...


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  • #72
    Golfgraffix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    slave1 wrote: »
    So you can put your tee shot way OOB/lost and drop onto the fairway and play your fourth...

    Yep


  • #73
    Dotzie
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Dotzie


    The new ob rule is a local rule only if your club adopts the new ruling then you'll have the fairway drop but current ob rules will still apply if they don't adopt the new ob ruling.


  • #74
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Well I’m all for fast golf, I’ll propose it to our society, anything to keep things moving


  • #75
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    slave1 wrote: »
    Well I’m all for fast golf, I’ll propose it to our society, anything to keep things moving

    Or... players could just play a provisional ball and keep things moving. I've said before in another thread but the relief procedures for this local rule are not straightforward. Determining where to drop will take time. And then on a blind driving hole... big hitting Johnny is sure his ball went OB/lost 100 yards infront of where it actually was.

    Thankfully I'm fairly sure my club won't be adopting this local rule.


  • #76
    Skyfloater
    Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭Skyfloater


    I can't see how people who hit a big hook or slice are going to be able to determine point A at all.


  • #77
    Golfgraffix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    As a local rule can it be applied to certain holes or dies it have to be the entire course ?


  • #78
    Webbs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Webbs


    Is there an option to keep the lost ball new local rule but not the out of bounds?

    There are many instances where players dont hit a provo as they are sure the ball is hit in an area where the ball will be found, but for whatever reason, (plugged, under a leaf etc) it is lost. This really affects pace of play if that player has too go back to tee and hit again. I'm not a fan of the OOB new rule as its clear a ball is OOB so reload but a lost ball is a different scenario


  • #79
    Hoof Hearted2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Hoof Hearted2


    Webbs wrote: »
    Is there an option to keep the lost ball new local rule but not the out of bounds?

    There are many instances where players dont hit a provo as they are sure the ball is hit in an area where the ball will be found, but for whatever reason, (plugged, under a leaf etc) it is lost. This really affects pace of play if that player has too go back to tee and hit again. I'm not a fan of the OOB new rule as its clear a ball is OOB so reload but a lost ball is a different scenario

    The beauty of this rule is that both scenarios are covered by it, so no need to over complicate the issue, and I suspect come Jan 1st 2019, there is going to be some craic on courses countrywide.


  • #80
    Montgolfier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Montgolfier


    I don't see any club in Ireland adopting this rule as we take club competitions seriously. I'd say it more for golf resorts and non regular golfers


  • #81
    ChippingSodbury
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭ChippingSodbury


    Montgolfier wrote: »
    I don't see any club in Ireland adopting this rule as we take club competitions seriously. I'd say it more for golf resorts and non regular golfers

    I have it from a reliable source that if the Local Rule is adopted for a Competition, it will not be a counting Competition under CONGU rules (i.e. CONGU won't accept the rule)


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  • #82
    Seve OB
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    ChippingSodbury wrote: »
    I have it from a reliable source that if the Local Rule is adopted for a Competition, it will not be a counting Competition under CONGU rules (i.e. CONGU won't accept the rule)

    I hope that's true.

    I don't mind if it is adopted for informal competitions and for the likes of societies I think it should actually be encouraged. But for regular member comps, hmm Pfffttt as Ted and Dougle would have said, down with this sort of thing.


  • #83
    Russman
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    Montgolfier wrote: »
    I don't see any club in Ireland adopting this rule as we take club competitions seriously. I'd say it more for golf resorts and non regular golfers

    I sort of agree with your sentiment, but at the same time, rules change and we have to adjust our thinking, this might be one of those cases. What we think a rule "should" be doesn't really matter. Its more our long held belief than anything.
    Things that are penalties this weekend won't be a penalty next month, we might not like the new rules but they are what they are - while fully accepting this one is not mandatory.
    I've no real issue with it other than the whole idea of "golfing your ball" round the course might be taking a bit of a hit in a theoretical sense. Then again its more or less just saying that OOB is really just a hazard that costs you two shots to get out of now. Meh, non issue IMO, play the rule and it is what it is.


  • #84
    paulos53
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭paulos53


    ChippingSodbury wrote: »
    I have it from a reliable source that if the Local Rule is adopted for a Competition, it will not be a counting Competition under CONGU rules (i.e. CONGU won't accept the rule)

    That is confirmed on the Congu website


  • #85
    Montgolfier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Montgolfier


    Russman wrote: »
    I sort of agree with your sentiment, but at the same time, rules change and we have to adjust our thinking, this might be one of those cases. What we think a rule "should" be doesn't really matter. Its more our long held belief than anything.
    Things that are penalties this weekend won't be a penalty next month, we might not like the new rules but they are what they are - while fully accepting this one is not mandatory.
    I've no real issue with it other than the whole idea of "golfing your ball" round the course might be taking a bit of a hit in a theoretical sense. Then again its more or less just saying that OOB is really just a hazard that costs you two shots to get out of now. Meh, non issue IMO, play the rule and it is what it is.

    The only real issue I would have is that rule encourages players to take liberties.
    Judging where a sliced or hooked ball goes obb from 200yds is not going to be accurate especially when guys believe the can hit drives 300yds.
    If they had a drop zone at the beginning of the fairway drop for 4 at least it would be consistent.


  • #86
    backspin.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    I am happy enough with this new OB rule. The sort of people who will take liberties will be the type who take liberties anyway elsewhere. Most 4 balls will be honest and judge the drop area appropriately. It will speed up play and taking your 4th shot instead of your 2nd is still punishing.


  • #87
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    backspin. wrote: »
    I am happy enough with this new OB rule. The sort of people who will take liberties will be the type who take liberties anyway elsewhere. Most 4 balls will be honest and judge the drop area appropriately. It will speed up play and taking your 4th shot instead of your 2nd is still punishing.

    It is punishing and I think it should only be excluded from matchplay, anything that speeds things up has to be tried out.


  • #88
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    Happy to see CONGU have excluded this local rule for handicap qualification purposes. Surprised to see some people are actually in favour of it.

    Whatever your opinion about the rule, it is obvious to me that the actual relief under the rule is not straight forward. Think of your own club and trying to explain the procedure for relief of a lost ball (in particular) to Paddy and Johnny. Just look at the diagram below and think about it. It will take a stupid amount of time.

    Thankfully I don't think any serious club will adopt this local rule.

    467619.jpg


  • #89
    reax
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭reax


    slave1 wrote: »
    So you can put your tee shot way OOB/lost and drop onto the fairway and play your fourth...

    I don't believe this is the case. As with current arrangements it is up to your playing partners, specifically the person marking your card, to agree with your assessment. If you hit the ball OOB you play 3 off the tee. If you THINK you hit the ball OOB you play 3 off the tee. It's only if you genuinely think that you're in bounds and will find your ball that this rule will kick in. If I saw someone hit a ball OOB and proceeded to march up the fairway I would call him up on it!


  • #90
    Seve OB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,067 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    reax wrote: »
    I don't believe this is the case. As with current arrangements it is up to your playing partners, specifically the person marking your card, to agree with your assessment. If you hit the ball OOB you play 3 off the tee. If you THINK you hit the ball OOB you play 3 off the tee. It's only if you genuinely think that you're in bounds and will find your ball that this rule will kick in. If I saw someone hit a ball OOB and proceeded to march up the fairway I would call him up on it!

    Did you read the rule?
    What would you be calling him out on?


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  • #91
    reax
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭reax


    Seve OB wrote: »
    Did you read the rule?
    What would you be calling him out on?

    The first line of the rule states "If a provisional ball has not been played"
    Why would you not play a provo if there was a risk of not finding your ball or OOB? This rule was brought in purely related to pace of play. It was never designed to be a get out jail card with only a 2 shot penalty.
    Anyway it appears to be a moot point with the rule only counting for casual play and not qualifying comps


  • #92
    Kingswood Rover
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Kingswood Rover


    Jeez i need to brush up on this new OB one. Our club ha been playing with the new rules for the last few weekends, lads putting from 2 feet with the flag in is wrecking me mallet, one lad was delighted with this new rule and then last week was saying in the clubhouse that the flag was bouncing his ball out. its just not right putting with the flag in on the green.


  • #93
    reax
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭reax


    All these new rules were designed to improve pace of play. While putting the flag back in when you are 2 feet above the hole is not against the new rules, it is against the essence of the game. None of these new rules were designed to give players an advantage. If I saw someone put the flag back in the above situation I would mention to him that it is against the essence of the game as he is trying to gain an advantage


  • #94
    backspin.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    reax wrote: »
    All these new rules were designed to improve pace of play. While putting the flag back in when you are 2 feet above the hole is not against the new rules, it is against the essence of the game. None of these new rules were designed to give players an advantage. If I saw someone put the flag back in the above situation I would mention to him that it is against the essence of the game as he is trying to gain an advantage

    Bryson De Chambeau is planning to do that.


  • #95
    Russman
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    reax wrote: »
    The first line of the rule states "If a provisional ball has not been played"
    Why would you not play a provo if there was a risk of not finding your ball or OOB? This rule was brought in purely related to pace of play. It was never designed to be a get out jail card with only a 2 shot penalty.
    Anyway it appears to be a moot point with the rule only counting for casual play and not qualifying comps

    If your ball crossed the OB a long way down towards the green, you might decide that dropping on the fairway there for 3 and playing your 4th is a better option than reloading on the tee.
    As opposed to if you shanked one OB just a few yards off the tee, you'd obviously reload as its probably a better option than hitting 4 from just in front of the tee.


  • #96
    Russman
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    reax wrote: »
    All these new rules were designed to improve pace of play. While putting the flag back in when you are 2 feet above the hole is not against the new rules, it is against the essence of the game. None of these new rules were designed to give players an advantage. If I saw someone put the flag back in the above situation I would mention to him that it is against the essence of the game as he is trying to gain an advantage

    Says who ?


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  • #97
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    reax wrote: »
    I don't believe this is the case. As with current arrangements it is up to your playing partners, specifically the person marking your card, to agree with your assessment. If you hit the ball OOB you play 3 off the tee. If you THINK you hit the ball OOB you play 3 off the tee. It's only if you genuinely think that you're in bounds and will find your ball that this rule will kick in. If I saw someone hit a ball OOB and proceeded to march up the fairway I would call him up on it!

    LoL, if I hit a ball OOB and the rule is in play I will gladly keep moving and drop on the fairway or anywhere in the permitted zone I decide, don't know who you are that can read I need your permission from the new rules.
    Your belief is wrong, nothing says I need marker's permission and there is nothing in "current arrangements" saying I need my marker's permission on rules of golf.
    Remember this is for society and casual golf, not in handicap counting competitions.


  • #98
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Russman wrote: »
    Says who ?
    The guy who sounds like he'd be great craic to play golf with. ;)


  • #99
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    Was thinking today about the new dropping procedure under the 2019 Rules. I think this will cause some issues for golfers. The reason being is that the ball must be dropped from knee height. If it is not dropped from knee height but rather the retired system of dropping from shoulder height, the ball must be re-dropped in the correct procedure. Failure to do so will result in a 1 stroke penalty. For golfers who have been dropping the ball from shoulder height for 34 years... this might be a difficult habit to break.


  • #100
    Seve OB
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    HighLine wrote: »
    Was thinking today about the new dropping procedure under the 2019 Rules. I think this will cause some issues for golfers. The reason being is that the ball must be dropped from knee height. If it is not dropped from knee height but rather the retired system of dropping from shoulder height, the ball must be re-dropped in the correct procedure. Failure to do so will result in a 1 stroke penalty. For golfers who have been dropping the ball from shoulder height for 34 years... this might be a difficult habit to break.

    Yea we were discussing it a few times.
    It is silly. Like there is no advantage of you drop it from higher. Some people, older guys, will and do have trouble bending down to drop it with dodgy knees etc.
    No reason not to allow it be dropped even from your hip.


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    HighLine
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    Attended a rules seminar at Dun Laoghaire this evening and was happy to hear that both the GUI and ILGU are strongly opposed to the new local rule for alternative to stroke and distance option and are advising all clubs not to adopt it.


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