The Matrix Resurrections (with Keanu Reeves, Carrie-Anne Moss and Lana Wachowski)

The White Wolf · 09-09-2021 2:41pm

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I can't even recall watching the second and third films but I imagine some kind of reset was achieved.

Morpheus' role is an interesting one as well as I think I spotted him in agent gear.

Penn · 09-09-2021 2:45pm

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Given how OTT the John Wick films continue to get, I'm sure John Wick will be moving missiles with his mind by John Wick 6.

FortuneChip · 09-09-2021 2:46pm

Kinda encouraged by that trailer.

Fingers crossed.

loyatemu · 09-09-2021 3:05pm

looks like it might be OK - more of a remake than anything. Hopefully not too many references to the sequels as nobody seems to remember much about them.

El Gato De Negocios · 09-09-2021 3:12pm

No Larry Fishburne no party.

Will still watch it, never seen the sequels in full so will try and squeeze em in before this releases.

09-09-2021 3:18pm

No Laurence Fishbourne. No Hugo weaving.

Looks like a generic steaming pile of Hollywood shite to me.

09-09-2021 3:38pm

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I only remember the annoying bits from the sequels. Monica Belucci's orgasm in a restaurant. That irritating fanboy teenager. The Neo/Trinity sex scene - which would have made a modicum of sense if they were stationed aboard different ships and hadn't seen each other in 6 weeks, but they were on the same ship.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 09-09-2021 3:43pm

I cant recall the 2 sequels as well as I'd like, but a couple of things stand out.

At the end of the trilogy, the oracle and the architect meet and chat at a park bench, and exchange pleasantries, confirming the matrix is still in place.

I cant recall if smith going rogue was unintended, and neo 'destroying' the simulation was to eradicate that. - Certainly the way his meatspace body was tenderly laid to rest in a 'christ' pose, would suggest that he was somewhat revered.

My theory is as follows:

This is Matrix 2.0, a software upgrade running the same simulation , with changes made to reflect current technology, etc. the reason the cast of supporting characters are broadly different, is because, their meatspace, vat dwelling bodies are different humans now - if you're using someone as a battery, they're going to die sometime. So this is 'a morpheus', just not the laurence fishburne one.

which begs the question - is / were Neo & Trinity ever real? or are they some sort of control layer / saviour mechanism that the Matrix employs to keep things in check.

Chances are, I'm way off, but I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing this, and it'll be an excuse to watch the first 3 films again.

Drumpot · 09-09-2021 3:50pm

3 things are guaranteed in life.....

Death....

Taxes....

People complaining about a movie being made in a franchise before its finished, those same people still going to view the movie when its released and those same people again complaining about the movie after they have gone to see a movie they didn't think should be made in the first place.

bucketybuck · 09-09-2021 3:54pm

Didn't the exposition guy in the 2nd film state that Neo wasn't the first "The One", that there were already 6 or 7 of them or something like that?

Seems a small step from there to this being a new Neo that just follows a similar path to his predecessor. So not only multiple "The ones", but they were all "Neos" as well.

Although come to think of it, they did show that the Matrix Neo looked exactly like the real living and breathing Neo, recreating the matrix version is obvious but unless they are cloning then why would his physical body look the same?

And thats about the limit of thought that I am going to put into this.

09-09-2021 3:57pm

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Morpheus: "Welcome to the real world"

What if the "real world" is actually, a sub layer of the Matrix, and Neo figures out how to break out of it to the real real world, where Trinity is still alive?

johnny_ultimate · 09-09-2021 4:01pm

Nobody’s here talking about the most important detail in the trailer, which is Neo sitting in a bath with a rubber duck on his head like an absolute boss.

TheIrishGrover · 09-09-2021 4:05pm

I remember when the first one came out, the Wachowskis said that the first one was part of a trilogy but it could have been anywhere in the timeline (ie, the other two prequesls or The Matrix was in the middle).

Obviously, when the first one was so successful, they were not going to get rid of the first film's cast and risk another group in the next films.

I mean, it looks fancy and all. I will reserve judgement and keep an open mind.

It definitely looks like The Matrix: The Next Gen. If it is successful, I would imagine a trilogy with Neo (at least) dying for good in the 2nd one

And what's this about there being a previous trilogy? No, there was only one movie......... ONE I tells ya...

09-09-2021 4:11pm

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You forgot the 4th and most important guaranteed thing in life.....

People who complain about people who complain.

09-09-2021 4:13pm

| And what's this about there being a previous trilogy? No, there was only one movie......... ONE I tells ya...

I suppose it's a bit like Star Wars. There was talk of a prequel trilogy, but it never happened. Repeat after me, the prequel trilogy, did not happen.

TheIrishGrover · 09-09-2021 4:13pm

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deep

Mr Crispy · 09-09-2021 4:14pm

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Russian gangsters kill the duck, forcing ~~John~~ Neo back into the life of violence he thought he had left behind.

Decent trailer - didn't give too much away, good CGI, Jefferson Airplane. But the how and why we're back in the Matrix will be the thing for me. The whole thing. I see Clonakilty resident David Mitchell is on writing duty, so hopefully he's conjured up something worthwhile.

TheIrishGrover · 09-09-2021 4:19pm

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"I hear he totally reset a manufactured reality affecting almost the entire population of the world and restarted a war between a global AI nation and the sole free survivors of the human race. Care to explain why?

"Well, they stole his duck"

"..... Oh"

B.A._Baracus · 09-09-2021 4:25pm

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I actually want the matrix within a matrix to happen.

A big move to make as they would essentially be over writing the previous three movies - as what we were told was meant to be the real world. But the films universe can lend to that.

But judging from the trailer what's going on with what appears to be clones being made?

p to the e · 09-09-2021 4:37pm

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That's a duck sitting in a bath with a Neo on his ass.

FlubberJones · 09-09-2021 5:01pm

Its a guaranteed cinema event for me... I've a whole heap of good memories based around The Matrix part one and 100% looking forward to this!

Big Gerry · 09-09-2021 5:12pm

Matrix 2 and 3 were awful I don't see why they need a 4th film.

seamus · 09-09-2021 5:15pm

Liking the look of this. Hopefully they take everything in totally different direction in terms of tone, if not visuals.

@pixelburp wrote:

So I wonder what the damn plot in this is that The Matrix is still going, the agents still intervening. Wasn't there supposed to be some kind of harmony established with humanity at the end of number 3?

@Stone Deaf 4evr wrote:

I cant recall if smith going rogue was unintended, and neo 'destroying' the simulation was to eradicate that.

@bucketybuck wrote:

Didn't the exposition guy in the 2nd film state that Neo wasn't the first "The One", that there were already 6 or 7 of them or something like that?

So to recap the ending very quickly, the overly wordy guy (The Architect) made it clear that Neo wasn't the first iteration of what had happened, he was 6th. But also that Neo was different from his predecessors. They all made a choice to save humanity by returning to the source. Where Neo-6 chose to save Trinity instead.

The purpose of Neo returning to the source would allow the machines to improve the code of the Matrix and make it less likely that humans would reject it and wake up. If he didn't do this, more and more humans would reject the Matrix, and everything comes crumbling down and humans and machines both go extinct.

Smith going rogue had not been intended at all, so Neo made a deal to go back in and face Smith in exchange for peace. Once Smith took over Neo in the matrix, the machines had access to delete his code, and reset the Matrix. But because Neo hadn't returned to the source, the Matrix code hadn't been updated, so humans would still reject the program. The agreement was that those who "wanted to leave" would be allowed to leave. Presumably a lot of effort was going into preventing people from waking up by themselves.

There was an online game which then expanded on what happened next; which I presume the movie will get into. Long story short, there was a kind of civil war inside the Matrix between humans who wanted to bring down the matrix, rogue machines who wanted to control it (like the Merovingian), and an alliance of humans & machines who were trying to maintain the truce.

The latter would be why there were still agents active inside the Matrix.

@The White Wolf wrote:

Morpheus' role is an interesting one as well as I think I spotted him in agent gear.

No Fishburne, means probably no Morpheus, though one of the young lads at the start of the trailer was doing a pretty good impression.

Padre_Pio · 09-09-2021 5:19pm

So long as this isn't a Force Awakens mirror of the first movie, I'll be happy.

Unfortunately, the trailer doesn't really give me much hope.

Man trapped in an unfulfilling life is led out of it by a mysterious organization, and must uncover secrets hidden within the world and himself....

Hmmm.

The White Wolf · 09-09-2021 5:44pm

@seamus I can't really reply to that without giving something away. :D

MisterAnarchy · 09-09-2021 6:47pm

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The second one was decent enough, but the third one was poor.

This looks like being a remake of the first one.

alchemist33 · 09-09-2021 8:04pm

The trailer completely underwhelmed me, with the duck on his head exemplifying it. It was totally un-Matrix. Maybe I'm biased by thinking this film is completely unnecessary but it still bodes ill.

Slydice · 09-09-2021 8:16pm

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Well.. it sure explains how all the action is gonna get started!

Tefral · 09-09-2021 8:29pm

Looks like Smyth a bit when he looks in the Mirror. Clearly theres some of his "Virus" code still in him

Heckler · 09-09-2021 10:52pm

Its Keanu Reeves. He gets an automatic pass. The original was groundbreaking in its day on so many levels and still holds up today. The sequels..well the less said..

I'll defo be checking this one out.

brevity · 09-09-2021 11:42pm

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Rubber Duck Debugging

conorhal · 10-09-2021 1:12pm

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The only way I'm swallowing this reborquel (soft-reboot-sequel) is if it turns out that the whole story takes place during a maintenance window on the Matrix, during which some sloppy IT guys made a balls of the patching and code upgrade and the only reason that everybody's back is because they had to do a restore from an old backup to get everything up and running again....

Also, given how increasingly ridiculous the John Wick sequels have become, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if chapter 4 ends with a post credit scene of Alex Winter and Keanu Reeves sat on a couch with PS5 controllers in hand saying ‘Dude! Best vidya game evaaaaaa!’ That at least would explain why all the NPC’s or ‘public’ keep disappearing whenever a gunfight breaks out.

DrumSteve · 10-09-2021 1:19pm

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They could go super meta and have the Matrix store all its backing data in a Data Centre in Kildare, but due to power outages this winter they have to turn to human batteries to keep it ticking over.

10-09-2021 1:21pm

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I still think the final episode of Lost should have been a plane touching down in LA, and with the bump you see Jack waking up and saying to himself "Oh... It was all a dream!"

conorhal · 10-09-2021 1:24pm

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LOL. Then they run out of people to power their DR site and have to start plugging sheep from the Curragh into the Matrix and suddenly you have all these sooper kool leather clad people wondering confused around the streets of the Matrix baaaaa-ing at each other....

10-09-2021 1:26pm

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Interesting... A Matrix/Shaun the Sheep crossover.

Sonics2k · 10-09-2021 1:47pm

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Ah Reloaded and Revolutions aren't so bad if you just fast forward to the fight scenes, ignore the cringy dance scene in the cave, pretend the sex scene doesn't happen and go make a cup of tea/coffee during the overly long speeches. Also keeping in mind that Commander Jason Locke, despite being portrayed as a bit of a dick, isn't actually a bad guy at all. In fact he's understandably sceptical about everything to do with Neo and just wants to make sure humanity has another chance of survival.

edit: I am cautiously optimistic for this movie. I have a soft spot for Keanu like many other people do, and while the more recent John Wick movies have departed from the original (much like the Matrix), they're still good movies. I hope they don't go overly pretentious, as was so bad in Revolutions.

My personal theory is that this Neo is another version, and not the one from the last movie. But due to the anomaly that is the One, he's retained some key memories from his past existence, hence the connection to Trinity when he sees her. Neil Patrick Harris is part of the Matrix, I reckon a machine put in place to try and keep Neo docile, hence the blue pills he's fed.

So far no sign of Hugo Weaving in the film, which is a shame, but his program was destroyed after all so it wouldn't make much sense to have him in it.

santana75 · 10-09-2021 1:54pm

I was very doubtful about this after the mess that was the 3rd film(whos name I cant even recall it was that bad)but the trailer actually looks really good. They've hooked me in and in all likelihood it'll end in disappointment, but there is a small chance that this could be something very interesting.

Drexel_3 · 10-09-2021 1:56pm

I don't get the hate for parts two and three. Especially part two. Once all the crap with Zion and the party was out of the way it an amazing action movie from there on. We learnt loads too about the machines and how they operate

CatInABox · 10-09-2021 1:56pm

The storyline for this film is just so obvious that I'm not even sure I'll go to see it.

It's pretty clear that because the Matrix was running on a really old platform, with an absolute load of hacks, modifications, and sticky-tape holding it all together, the new architect was forced to upgrade to a new platform. The problem begins when they take the matrix down to do the migration, as the company that they outsourced the work to completely miffs the upgrade, with the system being down for a week instead of a couple of days. When the three overworked architects assigned to the Matrix Resurrection finally get the system back up and running, the problems really start.

It's running really slow, no one can find their way around, the agents don't have any weapons or tools, there's spam all over the place, users email addressed are displayed in public, and even their monetization platform is busted. Neo, previously banished, enters the fray, complaining incessantly, saying things along the lines of "the Matrix is dead", "you've killed it", "blast it with piss", "Reddit is better", "etc". Believing himself the hero of the story, he goes around insulting users, agents and admins alike, constantly complaining, never recognising the hard work that the architects have put in just to get it back to a semi-usable state.

Well, it's probably along those lines. Probably

10-09-2021 2:04pm

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That sounds very familiar. Was that the plot of another movie?

10-09-2021 2:11pm

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Yes, I think it was called Billy and the Cloneasaurus

The One Doctor · 10-09-2021 2:16pm

It turns out they were running on Windows 95.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 10-09-2021 2:21pm

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One of the rare times, I'm genuinely upset I can't thank a post more than once. Bravo.

silliussoddius · 10-09-2021 3:01pm

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Yeah, it sounds very vanilla.

Drumpot · 10-09-2021 3:07pm

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Yeh, I thought the two sequels got better over time. It’s very hard for any movie sequel to match its predecessors, especially something as ground breaking as matrix with that nee action camera stuff.

Some of the action sequences were spectacular, not least the Neo fight with the lads on the stairs , the fight on the motorway and the actual machines destroying Zion.

Looking forward to this sequel.

Bacchus · 10-09-2021 3:47pm

Trailer looks great. The Matrix was THE movie of my teenage years. It blew my mind. I was there for opening night of the second Matrix, and opening weekend of the third. I haven't been this hyped for a movie in a long time.

Sure 2 & 3 didn't hit the mark of the original, but they are still great movies and hopefully this one will address their two biggest failings... the over-indulgence by the directors in their more eclectic tastes (did the gimp suits and cave orgies really add anything), and the CGI not being able to match the ambition/vision of the directors. On that second point, they pushed the technology of the time too hard to achieve their vision and, aside from the motorway chase and stair fight, a lot of the action hasn't aged as well as what they did in the original. The technology available today though has me drooling at what Resurrections will throw at me.

Sonics2k · 10-09-2021 4:01pm

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I remember years ago loving all the hype around Matrix: Reloaded and religiously watched the various behind the scenes shows that would come online and on MTV. I watched in amazement when they went through the whole process of filming the Burly Brawl scene, and just how much time and effort they spent on practical effects for the scene to keep it looking as real as possible.

Was a little bit pissed when the movie came out and clearly at various points, while it had been done practically, they'd obviously CGI'd Neo at various points and he looked like a PS2 era character.

johnny_ultimate · 10-09-2021 4:09pm

Burly Brawl is probably the worst looking major CG set piece in any film of its scale. Appalling stuff. The motorway scene mostly looks cool though, one or two PS2-quality CG models aside.

Revolutions actually really impressed me when I rewatched it recently. Hated it on release. But it’s a really solid action blockbuster honestly, and has much more character and energy than most modern blockbusters. Not a masterpiece, but perfectly enjoyable.

B.A._Baracus · 10-09-2021 4:11pm

This is only my theory.... but it looks like the machines have put neo in the matrix after matrix 3.

But in the trailer when neo looks into the mirror and a brief old face appears, that's him. That something like 30 years have past since matrix 3 ending and this.

His "digital self" (how he looks as described in matrix 1) isn't really acturate of how old he truly is. It would also explain why Larry Fishbourne's Morpheus isn't around as he could have died. But then the bigger question still remains - how is there seemingly a younger morpheus floating about..

The Matrix Resurrections (with Keanu Reeves, Carrie-Anne Moss and Lana Wachowski)

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