The Matrix Resurrections (with Keanu Reeves, Carrie-Anne Moss and Lana Wachowski)

JP Liz V1

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Yahya Abdul-Mateen II cast in an unnamed lead role.

Young Morpheus?

pah

The biggest problem with the sequels IMO was the removal of any danger to Neo. He was too powerful to be taken on and that was not compelling.

I also saw the first in 99 ( what a cracking year for movies) knew nothing before I went in, left mind blown. Saw it again in cinema in June for the 20th anniversary. It has dated a little bit IMO (maybe due to all the copycat stuff that followed) but holds up pretty well.

I enjoyed reloaded for the spectacle that it was but it left me feeling empty. Expectations were low for revolutions and it was meh, as expected.

To be honest I think I'd rather they left this one alone.

ixtlan

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Jupiter Ascending - Didn't know if it wanted to be a cross between a Terry Gilliam and Luc Besson movie (The whole protracted sequence with her trying to get credentials or something. I can't remember, I don't care)

I have to add that Terry Gilliam played "Seal and Signet Minister" in Jupiter Ascending so indeed that was intended as a Brasil homage. I found Jupiter to be stupid but in a rather charming way, I say with some embarrassment.

The movie no one has mentioned except in johnny_ultimate's aside about David Mitchell the author working with the Wachowskis before, is Cloud Atlas. That actually is a very interesting film and in some ways quite brilliant. I believe it was one of the most expensive independent movies made at the time... and did not do well, but is worth watching.

Ix.

nikkisscy

I can't wait to come on netfilx ! anyone knows where to watch it streaming online?

Drumpot

The 2nd and third didn’t have the quality of the first, there’s no doubt about that.

But as action movies they were very good. The fight in the hall is one of my favorite fight scenes in any movie. All the lads jumping around stairs , it was brilliantly choreographed. Also the attack on Sion was pretty impressive.

I don’t really see where they go from the third but I like these kind of movies and the quirky directors (enjoyed cloud atlas) so I’m interested to see what they do.

Agent Coulson

Neil Patrick Harris joins the cast.

B.A._Baracus

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t really see where they go from the third but I like these kind of movies and the quirky directors (enjoyed cloud atlas) so I’m interested to see what they do.

Only my opinion...
But the only way they can seemingly do a fourth is try to mirror the first while at the same time adding something new. Ala The Force Awakens me thinks. A lot of people felt it was a mirror of A New Hope yet still was a new entry.
Not to mention that a lot of people didn't really place the Martix Reloaded and Revolutions on the same level as the first.

Question is then how do you mirror the first but add something new?
Another "one" comes about?
Another full on war between machines and humans? or a rouge faction of machines or even humans since there is "peace"?
How does Neo come into play? does he only exist in the Matrix now? (most likely)
Has Morpheus been searching for Neo's body all these years and the machines wont give it up? (similair to the matrix online video game)

Slydice

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Neil Patrick Harris joins the cast.

Bacchus

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Only my opinion...
But the only way they can seemingly do a fourth is try to mirror the first while at the same time adding something new. Ala The Force Awakens me thinks. A lot of people felt it was a mirror of A New Hope yet still was a new entry.
Not to mention that a lot of people didn't really place the Martix Reloaded and Revolutions on the same level as the first.

Question is then how do you mirror the first but add something new?
Another "one" comes about?
Another full on war between machines and humans? or a rouge faction of machines or even humans since there is "peace"?
How does Neo come into play? does he only exist in the Matrix now? (most likely)
Has Morpheus been searching for Neo's body all these years and the machines wont give it up? (similair to the matrix online video game)

I really hope they have more protracted scenes with the Architect or some other "man" behind the curtain type figure to explain the timeline and origins of the Matrix itself... hopefully with Powerpoint this time.

The problem I have with where they left it is that they turned a simple (yet brilliant) concept into a convoluted mess of iterations of "Ones", reboots, and equations to create this inexplicable history that is constantly erased. Sure, you can sit down and analyse it, and I admit I quite like the idea of how the rebellion is a necessary element of the loop to maintain the illusion of freedom but it was delivered in such a terrible way and it wasn't followed through with any clarity either. What Reloaded clunkily set up, Revolutions failed to address in a satisfying way. None of the lore of The Matrix that the Architect went through had an impact on the events of Revolutions.

Also they ruined Smith in the sequels. It was a clear case of the audience like Agent Smith so lets make hundreds of him for the sequels.

For the sequels, I hope they pare back the story to something a bit more tangible. Fine, keep the history and logic of the Matrix universe they built but make it accessible. Also, ditch the religious references, no-one was blown away by Neo being basically Ninja Jesus Superman.

Slydice

Jonathan Groff (Holden Ford in Mindhunter) on board as "an unspecified role".... "unspecified" Uhuh.. the dude looks just like an agent..

The Matrix 4: Jonathan Groff Joins The Cast
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/matrix-4-jonathan-groff-mindhunter-frozen-2-keanu-reeves/

It would be easy to pigeonhole him as one the villainous agents given his usual suit-clad role in Mindhunter, but he's more than just the driven FBI agent.

Too late, can't unpigeonhole until trailer!

Kirby

Of course, he's one of the machines. Sure in Mindhunter he behaves like an actual robot.

Slydice

Toby Onwumere (Van Damn in Season 2 of Sense8) on board:

‘The Matrix 4’: ‘Sense8’ & ‘Empire’ Actor Toby Onwumere Joins Sequel
https://deadline.com/2019/12/matrix-4-toby-onwumere-warner-bros-sequel-1202805820/

New Dozer maybe?

DS86DS

As much as there is to look forward to about the Matrix 4, does anybody else feel slightly put off at the thought of going to see it without Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith? Maybe the film will win me over at some stage, but overall it would just feel weird and unusual having a different actor playing such a key role.

https://justviralnews.com/matrix-4-hugo-weaving-not-returning-as-agent-smith/

Keyzer

Read about - apparently Weaving tried (in vain) to make his schedule work but was pre-committed to the existing project.

cuchullain99

The Matrix was one of my favourite movies of all time and Matrix 3 was one of my biggest disappointments of all time.. so not holding my breath for the 4th, no matter who's in it.

Clareman

There's only ever been 1 Matrix movie made, there might be a couple of other movies with a similar name with numbers but they aren't anything to do with the almost perfect movie that was The Matrix

mikhail

Clareman wrote: »

There's only ever been 1 Matrix movie made, there might be a couple of other movies with a similar name with numbers but they aren't anything to do with the almost perfect movie that was The Matrix

Agent Smith

There can be only one.

GhostofKNugget

Oranage2

If they just put the best scenes from the second and third movie they'd have an okay movie, still terrible though in comparison to the first.

I can't believe Hugo can't cancel the play, the money he'd make, who cares about integrity.

I enjoyed the sequels, can't understand the negative reviews on them, but each to their own i guess.

Looking forward to the 4th instalment, pity it took so long to make this, maybe a CGI or machine agent smith (Hugo doing a voice over or something?)

Gavin1986

I think it’ll be interesting to see. As I heard Matrix 4 will be the kick-starting of a new trilogy. However, it is an ambiguous movie, it could become whether a great beginning or a great failure.

Agent Coulson

B.A._Baracus

So Keanu in the beanie hat is a scene in the movie?
Am telling you, they are rehashing the same as the original. Of sorts.
Him not realising he is "in the matrix" and having to be pulled out of it. But this time not realising who he was and what he actually did before.

speedboatchase

I just can't get excited for this. Would've preferred a non-Wachowski movie without characters who died in the series.

DrumSteve

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

So Keanu in the beanie hat is a scene in the movie?
Am telling you, they are rehashing the same as the original. Of sorts.
Him not realising he is "in the matrix" and having to be pulled out of it. But this time not realising who he was and what he actually did before.

That happened in the first one; he'd already been the one a couple of times at that stage.

Should just tie it in to the John Wick movies somehow.

Goodshape

I can't even remember what happened by the end of those sequels.

Neo and/or Trinity died?

DrumSteve

Goodshape wrote: »

I can't even remember what happened by the end of those sequels.

Neo and/or Trinity died?

Trinity died and Neo also died? he did a jesus anyway from memory and the machines took his body.

Come to think of it,since they took his body, it'd be great if he was the "Agent Smith" of the sequel against a new Neo.

Mickeroo

Goodshape wrote: »

I can't even remember what happened by the end of those sequels.

Neo and/or Trinity died?

What sequels?

Penn

Goodshape wrote: »

I can't even remember what happened by the end of those sequels.

Neo and/or Trinity died?

Trinity died reaching the Machine City in the real world. Neo fought Agent Smith but let Smith take over his body, but then the machines unplugged Neo's body, killing all the Agent Smiths in the process and resetting the Matrix back to normal.

More than anything, I'm grateful to the sequels (The Matrix Reloaded in particular) because it led to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRkiyy3EDl4

pixelburp

My guess is that Trinity will be some kind of AI, or lingering imprint of a consciousness on The Matrix. Not like there wasn't always an element of spiritualism in the franchise, wouldn't be a stretch to graduate to actual "digital" ghosts.

eviltimeban

Maybe the original Matrix contained a sub-Matrix that Neo etc thought was the real world... but they were still in a Matrix.

This movie would be about getting him out of THAT matrix.

speedboatchase

Matrix Reloaded was on Now TV last night and good god...

I only caught about 15 mins but managed to see:

• a really boring scene with a new character who no-one remembers (the actor was in Lost, I think) speaking to his wife. This was about 4-5 mins.
• Morpheus' terrible speech in Zion
• THAT rave scene (way longer than you remember it being)
• some old guy talking to Neo about how it's strange that Zion uses machines. YES it is. In fact, it kinda should'nt have been part of the storyline.

I feel like - as was done with the Terminator movies - you make a sequel that ignores the existence of the other sequels and give that a shot.

B.A._Baracus

I always got the impression The Matrix 1 was crafted with the idea of it being a self-contained story of sorts. The movie ends with Neo calling the machines and saying that he will show people "a world where anything is possible" .... while on screen the machines are trying to run a trace and the system fails. Showing that Neo, as Morpheus said eariler in the movie, has the abilty to re-write the matrix now then neo flies off :pac:

So the movie was about finding the one.
The one finding and realising his powers.
Ends with the one saying how things are gonna change then displays his power.

Obviously a sequel could still have been made but what we got did feel a shift in gears.

EagererBeaver

The Zion rave scene and Tobey Maguire's cocky strut after venom latches on to him in Spiderman 3 are two scenes I have to look away from any time I'm watching the movie.

Gwynplaine

EagererBeaver wrote: »

The Zion rave scene and Tobey Maguire's cocky strut after venom latches on to him in Spiderman 3 are two scenes I have to look away from any time I'm watching the movie.

Pure cringe. Hold the cushion up to your face moment.
This new film will be even worse than Reloaded and Revisited.

jill_valentine

pixelburp wrote: »

My guess is that Trinity will be some kind of AI, or lingering imprint of a consciousness on The Matrix. Not like there wasn't always an element of spiritualism in the franchise, wouldn't be a stretch to graduate to actual "digital" ghosts.

Iirc the online game was hinting in exactly this direction, but was shut down before paying off on it.

pixelburp

pixelburp wrote: »

There's a common interpretation of the first Matrix movie as being one large metaphor for Coming Out, or Transitioning - a theory that was borne out by both Wachowskis themselves transitioning in real life. It's actually quite blatant and obvious once you take in scenes & dialogue with that point of view. The film is essentially about discovering your true, 'real' self, despite what societal norms try to force on you.

Mind you, that same film also has support and interpretations by gun fetishists, the far right & white supremacist groups, so it's not often those disparate grouping find a common totem. And like a lot of these things it's down to the audience's interpretations (though again, it was born out by the creators' experiences)

Going by the presence of Anne-Moss, there's obviously got to be some kind of twist going on here; can I speak to her character's fate without spoilers? The first film is 20 years old at this stage!

Replying to my own old post :rolleyes: because Lily Wachowski, in an interview yesterday, confirmed this theory: The Matrix was indeed written as a metaphor for coming out and transitioning. Not like the siblings' own story wasn't clue enough on-top of the script's apparent subtext, but it's finally(?) confirmed by one of them. Maybe it's a case of "well, d'uh" but always find it interesting to read of authors' interpretations matching the audiences - Death of the Author n' all that.

Interesting side story to learn that Switch was originally meant to actually be trans - being male in the real world & female in the Matrix - hadn't known that. Aside from being different times, it probably would have made the subtext a little too blunt were it included. One wonders if that theme will persist into the new film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adXm2sDzGkQ

mikhail

pixelburp wrote: »

Interesting side story to learn that Switch was originally meant to actually be trans - being male in the real world & female in the Matrix - hadn't known that. Aside from being different times, it probably would have made the subtext a little too blunt were it included. One wonders if that theme will persist into the new film.

I always got the impression she was meant to look kind of androgynous, so that rings true.

I think the fact that they had to keep the theme subtle was to their advantage. It wound up resonating with more general feelings of alienation and isolation that lots of people feel for many different reasons.

Agent Coulson

This actually got it's release date moved up from April 2022 to December 2021.

pixelburp

There's a first. Trying to capitalise on a presume starved market. Or else shooting is way ahead of schedule. Hopefully post production isn't squeezed cos a matrix movie with bad FX is... well. The second matrix movie :pac:

tunguska

I was always under the impression that the Matrix was a biblically inspired story. That the world we live in is under the control of evil forces and the "Real world" is something most people cant (or wont) see and experience. Similar in ways to John Carpenter's They live

mikhail

tunguska wrote: »

I was always under the impression that the Matrix was a biblically inspired story. That the world we live in is under the control of evil forces and the "Real world" is something most people cant (or wont) see and experience. Similar in ways to John Carpenter's They live

It has lots of influences. You have ideas like Plato's cave, and The Hero With a Thousand Faces, to pick two of the bigger ones.

The Black Oil

Agent Coulson wrote: »

This actually got it's release date moved up from April 2022 to December 2021.

Santa knows Kung fu.

CastorTroy

Didn't realise it was so long since there was an update

For a film that was scheduled for release last month at one point, it's still adding cast members
https://deadline.com/2021/06/christina-ricci-matrix-4-1234770248/

So either they're still filming, they just never mentioned her before, had to recast, add extra scenes or she's just doing voice work.

Agent Coulson

The trailer was shown at a con last night in the States so expect it to arrive soon.

B.A._Baracus

Sweet. It's about time as the movie comes out in 4 months.

pixelburp

One of those I had forgotten was in production TBH, seemed to do its thing under the radar.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117801394#Comment_117801394

I'd put a small shilling or two on the release being pushed back.

pixelburp

Actually, we also have an official name coming from CinemaCon: The Matrix: Resurrections.

@johnny_ultimate @Sad Professor you know it; time to change the thread name 😁

johnny_ultimate

I have no idea why I'm as pumped about seeing this as I am. Perhaps it was recently revisiting the sequels and thinking Revolutions was actually pretty solid - certainly a better film that I remembered seeing in the cinema (Reloaded is a stinker though, apart from the car chase).

But for whatever reason I'm actually really keen to see this, even though I know the odds are stacked heavily against it by nature of its mere existence (an unneeded sequel after most of the main characters 'died' rather definitively a film or two ago?). I'm braced for disappointment, but sign me up for a ticket and box of popcorn this December.