Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

charolais0153 · 13-11-2020 10:32pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Really enjoying these Dovea videos, this is the 6th one they've done for sucklers.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cN3Z6BLuWKk

Fine fine cows there,

patsy_mccabe · 14-11-2020 12:22am

charolais0153 wrote: »

Fine fine cows there,

Ya serious broody type cows. Those farms shown on that Dovea series though, have some savage limestone land.

Baalbec10 · 14-11-2020 11:02pm

What are the thoughts on sexed semen? Are there any good bulls in ai companies that have sexed.

dodo mommy · 15-11-2020 9:43am

I have an angus heifer for ai this morning how would a saler cross with her. I need to try and bring more milk into the herd.

tanko · 15-11-2020 10:49am

dodo mommy wrote: »

I have an angus heifer for ai this morning how would a saler cross with her. I need to try and bring more milk into the herd.

A Saler bull is a grand cross on any heifer imo. You might get a black calf with that cross. Which company are you using?

dodo mommy · 15-11-2020 11:07am

tanko wrote: »

A Saler bull is a grand cross on any heifer imo. You might get a black calf with that cross. Which company are you using?

Bova today, what saler would you recommend using out of bova, dovea, progressive in the future. I'd have strong lmx cows but I seem to be running out of milk, I'll probably use si on a few as well any recommendations their.

tanko · 15-11-2020 11:32am

dodo mommy wrote: »

Bova today, what saler would you recommend using out of bova, dovea, progressive in the future. I'd have strong lmx cows but I seem to be running out of milk, I'll probably use si on a few as well any recommendations their.

I've used the Bova bull Valliant VTA a bit, have a nice cow off him. They have a new Saler bull called Manclaux, he should be a very good bull but he's unproven yet.
Have used Highfield Odran SA2153 a lot on heifers, a very good bull but unless your Ai tech has him in their pot he's gone now. Have six heifers incalf to Knottown Roy for the spring, hopefully he'll be good.
Dovea have Ulsan, anyone who has used him seem to be happy with him.

Curaheen Earp would be my favourite Sim bull at the moment, he breeds medium sized well muscled cows and very good bulls.
Have some nice calves off Clonagh Frosty King this year also. Bova have some very good Sims but i haven't used any yet.

If your heifer has a bit of size today you could try the Lim Loyal, he seems to be breeding nice heifers.

FeelTheBern · 15-11-2020 1:37pm

Moondarrig Knell seems like a good potential LM bull for replacements except that the ICBF docility score is so low. Just wondering if people are finding that his stock are lively in reality?

Baalbec10 · 15-11-2020 1:44pm

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Moondarrig Knell seems like a good potential LM bull for replacements except that the ICBF docility score is so low. Just wondering if people are finding that his stock are lively in reality?

We only had the one so far. Put him on a salers x heifer who is very quiet and can be easily rubbed. Of all the calves the knell is by far the most nervous and flighty. She will calm over time but won't be kept here. Quality is OK, should have the milk which is the big plus. He is 1 star docility for a reason.

tanko · 15-11-2020 1:49pm

Baalbec10 wrote: »

What are the thoughts on sexed semen? Are there any good bulls in ai companies that have sexed.

I think CWI sexed semen can be got, €38 a straw iirc.
I'm sure there a few more, can't think of them at the minute.

ABitofsense · 15-11-2020 1:58pm

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Moondarrig Knell seems like a good potential LM bull for replacements except that the ICBF docility score is so low. Just wondering if people are finding that his stock are lively in reality?

I've 3 weanling heifers in the shed of him, with 2 Zag & 1 lodge hamlet heifer too. I find Knell very quiet even quieter than Zag. I can handle & rub most of them too. But I feed nuts twice daily & they were walked 3 times daily since birth which has a lot to do with it as well.

Baalbec10 · 15-11-2020 2:02pm

ABitofsense wrote: »

I've 3 weanling heifers in the shed of him, with 2 Zag & 1 lodge hamlet heifer too. I find Knell very quiet even quieter than Zag. I can handle & rub most of them too. But I feed nuts twice daily & they were walked 3 times daily since birth which has a lot to do with it as well.

That would be an example of nurture vs nature

Gudstock · 15-11-2020 4:22pm

I found Knell heifers top quality but flighty. I got rid of them. I have used again but for terminal calves.

MeheeHohee · 15-11-2020 4:22pm

Has anyone much experience with calving Knell? Have a muscular Gamin heifer due to calf down to him at 28 months in January, she's on a diet, hopefully calf won't go too big

Gudstock · 15-11-2020 4:25pm

If she had a heifer you would be fine but the bulls can be another story. I'd be careful if she was mine and keeping her lean on hay.

High bike · 15-11-2020 7:04pm

Have a nice Knell heifer weanling here and she's very flighty too,if she doesn't settle over the winter in the shed she's for the road

DukeCaboom · 15-11-2020 8:18pm

Anyone here knowledgeable about Exmoor Galaxy LM5205 from Bull Bank.

patsy_mccabe · 16-11-2020 2:44pm

This came today. You'd think they'd proof read it. :rolleyes:
Full of mistakes. Anyone spot them?

tanko · 16-11-2020 3:38pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Anyone here knowledgeable about Exmoor Galaxy LM5205 from Bull Bank.

He's a great looking bull with serious breeding in him. Very few calves off him here yet tho. Have you tried Gamin (ZGM), it's hard to look past him for consistently producing top quality terminal Limousin cattle imo and he's very easy calved.

High bike · 16-11-2020 5:40pm

tanko wrote: »

He's a great looking bull with serious breeding in him. Very few calves off him here yet tho. Have you tried Gamin (ZGM), it's hard to look past him for consistently producing top quality terminal Limousin cattle imo and he's very easy calved.

Put 2 Gamin straws in a pb cow this year and the aul bitch missed,had a THZ straw in the pot so stuck it in her and she's in calf now.Will try Gamin again next year I like him

pure breed · 16-11-2020 7:37pm

MeheeHohee wrote:

Has anyone much experience with calving Knell? Have a muscular Gamin heifer due to calf down to him at 28 months in January, she's on a diet, hopefully calf won't go too big

We have a Knell stock bull here and his quiet as a lamb, by far the quietest stock bull we've had on the place.
His first calves (9) were born this Autumn and all calved unassisted so far and he was used mainly on 1st time calvers. Nice small calves at birth that shape up well in 2-3 weeks.

RD10 · 16-11-2020 7:57pm

Had few knell calves here this year, few from first calvers and all calved away on their own.
Have kept one as a replacement, and she's nice and calm

Royals · 16-11-2020 8:45pm

See a lot of eby heifers going for big money what are peoples opinions of him as a cow maker?

tanko · 16-11-2020 9:03pm

I would consider them too small, lacking in milk and calving ability to make good cows but sure he can breed those roany heifers that lads are going mad for.

charolais0153 · 16-11-2020 10:12pm

Royals wrote: »

See a lot of eby heifers going for big money what are peoples opinions of him as a cow maker?

Have an eby here, lovely sweet easy fleshing type. Crosses well on cwi

White Clover · 16-11-2020 10:20pm

White Clover wrote: »

I have a RIO heifer here that was one of a bunch bought with the intention of fattening her. She's 23 months, dark red and a pure pet. Not over tall, around 430kg.
If I was to put a Dovea bull on her, what would people recommend? I'm out of touch with AI bulls with a few years. Might be as far on to sell springing as to finish her.

My man is with Munster Bovine now, what bull would people recommend, the heifer weighed 480kg this evening, she did a good thrive since August.

tanko · 16-11-2020 10:58pm

White Clover wrote: »

My man is with Munster Bovine now, what bull would people recommend, the heifer weighed 480kg this evening, she did a good thrive since August.

The Lim Moondharrig Knell LM4217 might be your best bet.

White Clover · 16-11-2020 11:18pm

tanko wrote: »

The Lim Moondharrig Knell LM4217 might be your best bet.

Thanks Tanko.

Gudstock · 22-11-2020 1:03am

Anyone watch the sale from Stranolar today?
Incredible beasts there and incredible prices too. Surely this is a passing fad though? The prices every week at all these different special sales are becoming bonkers surely and there is no money in beef? What are your thoughts on it - is it millionaire hobby farmers or ones with a very good off farm job or something to do with covid and people maybe having more to spend because no foreign holiday or boozing??
On another note, how are these animals actually bred? Are a lot of them side door jobs and by embryo transfer?

antrimite · 23-11-2020 7:03pm

Gudstock wrote: »

Anyone watch the sale from Stranolar today?
Incredible beasts there and incredible prices too. Surely this is a passing fad though? The prices every week at all these different special sales are becoming bonkers surely and there is no money in beef? What are your thoughts on it - is it millionaire hobby farmers or ones with a very good off farm job or something to do with covid and people maybe having more to spend because no foreign holiday or boozing??
On another note, how are these animals actually bred? Are a lot of them side door jobs and by embryo transfer?

I have watched a few of these sales online, mad money being thrown about for some pretty mediocre heifers. They’ll be put in calf to easy calving Lim bulls and cut out the side then a Fresian cow will raise the calf for them. The monopoly money men will flush them to some fancy BB and make their money back that way... I much prefer a nice Sim x heifer with milk and hardiness to be wintered outside, calf and rear a calf herself and do it for 7/8/9 years! But each to their own!

charolais0153 · 23-11-2020 9:15pm

antrimite wrote: »

I have watched a few of these sales online, mad money being thrown about for some pretty mediocre heifers. They’ll be put in calf to easy calving Lim bulls and cut out the side then a Fresian cow will raise the calf for them. The monopoly money men will flush them to some fancy BB and make their money back that way... I much prefer a nice Sim x heifer with milk and hardiness to be wintered outside, calf and rear a calf herself and do it for 7/8/9 years! But each to their own!

Your evidently at it a long time, any other words of wisdom. Not much land fit for cows outside on a night like tonight

MeheeHohee · 28-11-2020 11:52am

Any suggestions from Dovea or maybe PG for an easy calving LM bull to add size to a ped second calfer?

tanko · 28-11-2020 12:36pm

The likes of CWI, LM2014 and LM4217 could be options.

MeheeHohee · 28-11-2020 9:40pm

tanko wrote: »

The likes of CWI, LM2014 and LM4217 could be options.

Went with 2014, looks a good bull

DukeCaboom · 01-12-2020 7:48pm

MeheeHohee wrote: »

Went with 2014, looks a good bull

Probably the bull that gets the best feed back on this thread.

antrimite · 01-12-2020 8:43pm

Has anyone used the AI services Shorthorn bull Annanwater Scotsman? Used him recently on a Sim cow hoping for a nice heifer replacement

MeheeHohee · 01-12-2020 8:46pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Probably the bull that gets the best feed back on this thread.

Yeah and some photos of lovely progeny by him.

With quality commercials making going so well at the moment, going to try a few BBs in some of the older big pedigree Limousin cows. Any suggestions of Blues which cross well on lims?
Have seen good things said about AZL, DBZ, PPS. Seems a lot of the older blue bulls can no longer be got

Hard Knocks · 01-12-2020 8:49pm

antrimite wrote: »

Has anyone used the AI services Shorthorn bull Annanwater Scotsman? Used him recently on a Sim cow hoping for a nice heifer replacement

Is that the Eurogene bull?
If so FIL had 2 great cows off him, loads of milk
Both had lots of twins and loads of milk to feed them

Sugarbowl · 01-12-2020 9:54pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Probably the bull that gets the best feed back on this thread.

Is Ivor the best pick between him, eby and cwi on Dovea?
Would cwi be more maternal?
Maybe worth trying all 3 to see how they go

antrimite · 01-12-2020 9:55pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Is that the Eurogene bull?
If so FIL had 2 great cows off him, loads of milk
Both had lots of twins and loads of milk to feed them

Yes that’s him, easy calving figures were the main attraction as she’ll hopefully be calving out on the hill herself.

DukeCaboom · 01-12-2020 10:01pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Is Ivor the best pick between him, eby and cwi on Dovea?
Would cwi be more maternal?
Maybe worth trying all 3 to see how they go

Has any one her used him on heifers?

Funnily a buddy here had one Lm2014 calf here this year and she was nuts. I know one swallow & all that but she was his only wild calf in the farm & her mother was always docile.

patsy_mccabe · 01-12-2020 11:23pm

New bull in Munster /PG, Vulpian (Neuf x Dauphin)

https://www.progressivegenetics.ie/product/vulpian/

https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/984436535

FeelTheBern · 01-12-2020 11:26pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Has any one her used him on heifers?

Funnily a buddy here had one Lm2014 calf here this year and she was nuts. I know one swallow & all that but she was his only wild calf in the farm & her mother was always docile.

Have few heifers in calf to him at the moment - Supposed to be easy calved but time will tell! The only thing that has put me off using him is that his docility figures are very poor - only 1 star across breed - so not sure how good he would be for replacements.

tanko · 01-12-2020 11:43pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Is Ivor the best pick between him, eby and cwi on Dovea?
Would cwi be more maternal?
Maybe worth trying all 3 to see how they go

The great thing about Ivor is how easy calved he is, had a bull and a heifer this spring off two second calvers and they hardly knew they calved.
I'd say he'd be fine on heifers. They're light boned but growthy and shapey.
EBY is a serious bull but you'd want a bit of size in a heifer/cow for him, he can bring great shape and muscle.
Never used CWI but he seems to be breed leggier taller animals, would be the best of the three to breed heifers.

The Ivor calves here are average for docility, not wild anyway.

Anyone that hasn't tried Gamin ZGM should give him a try, easy calved and serious muscle and shape to them.

Lady Haywire · 02-12-2020 10:33am

Last four bulls (kept the pedigree lad) went here last weekend, all May calves, two blues & two non ped limos.
The BZC black lad, while an easy calving bull, was my pick, buyer preferred one of the imousin boyos! Beauty in the eye of the chequeholder so of course I agreed with him

I still like Loyal as a heifers bull, the one here is doing a mighty thrive at the moment, fantastic temper too, not overly quiet so he'd not deck ya if you bend over but he loves a scratch & some attention.

Sugarbowl · 02-12-2020 3:41pm

What are ye’re thoughts on Bivouac from Dovea? Is he as easy calved as his figures suggest?

charolais0153 · 02-12-2020 5:25pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

What are ye’re thoughts on Bivouac from Dovea? Is he as easy calved as his figures suggest?

Yes, big cattle after him but not that shapey

Lady Haywire · 02-12-2020 6:59pm

Used him twice, got twins & a heifer calf off a first calving Salers. Sold the twins at 7 months for 1550 I think (honestly can't recall which of the sets last year made what) but this is them at 6 months.
Keeping the heifers calf for a cow, she had no problem calving at all.
As said above, plainish but if you've the right animal & don't want something too hard calved I'd work away. I'd put him on heifers if they're framey enough.

squinn2912 · 02-12-2020 9:32pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Has any one her used him on heifers?

Funnily a buddy here had one Lm2014 calf here this year and she was nuts. I know one swallow & all that but she was his only wild calf in the farm & her mother was always docile.

I really liked 2014 calves very easily landed but yea I noticed them a bit sporty round a field. I had three last summer from heifers and one heifer needed a solid pull the other two calved on their own. They got a fair bit of handling yet a few weeks later they’d take you for laps. Sold them on with calves at foot, I was sorry to let them go but needed to sell something.

grassroot1 · 02-12-2020 11:17pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

What are ye’re thoughts on Bivouac from Dovea? Is he as easy calved as his figures suggest?

Very easy calving and very short gestation and growth cattle but needs a beefy cow not good on shape

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