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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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    #6242
    Turbohymac
    Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭Turbohymac


    Hi Stephen n.
    That's fairly doubtful that large numbers of fans will still travel from Italy ..known that the game is canceled..
    Either way it nothing against teams..fans or supporters for me it shows the amount of greed by the irfu to hold the game regardless and get in the revenue... that's not sport
    Just greed


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    #6243
    OldRio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭OldRio


    The 'after hours' crew have relocated to vent their spleen.
    Buckle up and ride it out. 😁


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    #6244
    stephen_n
    Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Turbohymac wrote: »
    Hi Stephen n.
    That's fairly doubtful that large numbers of fans will still travel from Italy ..known that the game is canceled..
    Either way it nothing against teams..fans or supporters for me it shows the amount of greed by the irfu to hold the game regardless and get in the revenue... that's not sport
    Just greed

    Nice shade of green you’re wearing there, considering you’re not a supporter of Irish Sport.


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    #6245
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,095 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Turbohymac wrote: »
    That's fairly doubtful that large numbers of fans will still travel from Italy ..known that the game is canceled..

    its pretty certain that italians who have booked flights, accommodation and time off work for next week... WILL still come over regardless of the game being called off.


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    #6246
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,190 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Turbohymac wrote: »
    Hi Stephen n.
    That's fairly doubtful that large numbers of fans will still travel from Italy ..known that the game is canceled..
    Either way it nothing against teams..fans or supporters for me it shows the amount of greed by the irfu to hold the game regardless and get in the revenue... that's not sport
    Just greed

    IRFU were not informed of this accordingly. They should have been. IRFU will follow govt advice but there is 300k visitors to Ireland mid March. They literally come from all corners of the world. Will that mass influx of visitors be stopped to prevent the spread of this?

    I get the impression Harris and co are making a big statement of being seen to be doing something while not Doing anything at all here.


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    #6247
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,845 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Knox Salmon Shortbread wrote: »
    1000 people die of normal flu in Ireland per year, do we go into lock down and cancel sporting events during flu season every year?

    If the match is on I’m going, and I’ll spend my weekend in Dublin on the beer with a crowd of Italians. If the match isn’t on I’ll spend the weekend on the beer with a crowd of Italians in Dublin. So it makes 2 hours of a difference. This is going to be the same across the board,
    What difference will it make only miss out on watching the game?

    Between 100-200 die of seasonal flu in Ireland each year, but why let the facts get in the way of a good grab of the ballsack.

    You'd be foolish enough not to educate yourself of the differences between this virus and routine flu. This is giving strong healthy people pneumonia and that takes you out of the game maybe for months.

    In any case, by this time next week I would think that travel in and out of northern Italy will be stopped at source anyway so you'll be drinking alone.

    Incidentally, Simon Harris and the Dept of Health abdicating responsibility back to the Union in a public health matter is abject negligence and professional and political cowardice.


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    #6248
    stephen_n
    Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    It’s just strange that it was announced in isolation. If he called for the cancellation of all large public events, then it would make more sense. There will be GAA games over this weekend and next weekend that will attract 20k plus probably. Leinster will probably attract 15k for Glasgow on Friday. Patrick’s day will attract double what the Italy game will. If this is the departments policy, that was probably the most inept way of announcing it possible.


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    #6249
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,845 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    None of those have an audience from an affected area.

    I'd be pretty certain at this stage that the St Patricks Festival won't happen at all, such is the escalation we are now in.


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    #6250
    stephen_n
    Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    None of those have an audience from an affected area.

    I'd be pretty certain at this stage that the St Patricks Festival won't happen at all, such is the escalation we are now in.

    The people from the affected area are still going to travel as things stand.

    It is still a very strange way to communicate the decision. No consultation with the organizers and no suggestion of a policy. Just an announcement about one event.


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    #6251
    [Deleted User]
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    Turbohymac wrote: »
    Hi Stephen n.
    That's fairly doubtful that large numbers of fans will still travel from Italy ..known that the game is canceled..
    Either way it nothing against teams..fans or supporters for me it shows the amount of greed by the irfu to hold the game regardless and get in the revenue... that's not sport
    Just greed

    We managed to ignore this first time around. Let's try for two in a row


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    #6252
    damowill
    Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭damowill


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    its pretty certain that italians who have booked flights, accommodation and time off work for next week... WILL still come over regardless of the game being called off.

    Northern Italy is in lockdown. I heard an Irish woman living in Milan say that there is very little movement of people at the moment. So if they are not even leaving their own homes, i doubt they will travel in huge numbers to a game thats not even on. Italians from other regions probably will still travel but with the game off, it may even deter them.


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    #6253
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,190 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    None of those have an audience from an affected area.

    I'd be pretty certain at this stage that the St Patricks Festival won't happen at all, such is the escalation we are now in.

    People travel from all over the world for patricks day.

    Cancel the parade. What will those people do? Gather in temple bar.


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    #6254
    THFC198
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭THFC198


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    None of those have an audience from an affected area.

    I'd be pretty certain at this stage that the St Patricks Festival won't happen at all, such is the escalation we are now in.

    I’d agree with you completely, at this rate it’s hard to see the parade going on.

    Separately, regarding incoming Italian fans, most of their rugby base is up north in and around the affected areas, there’s v few Italians in that area going on holidays atm


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    #6255
    TheAnalyst_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheAnalyst_


    damowill wrote: »
    Northern Italy is in lockdown. I heard an Irish woman living in Milan say that there is very little movement of people at the moment. So if they are not even leaving their own homes, i doubt they will travel in huge numbers to a game thats not even on. Italians from other regions probably will still travel but with the game off, it may even deter them.

    In lockdown but Juventus fans are on the move to Lyon to see a champions league game tonight.
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51633790


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    #6256
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,313 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    damowill wrote: »
    Northern Italy is in lockdown. I heard an Irish woman living in Milan say that there is very little movement of people at the moment. So if they are not even leaving their own homes....

    A glance at a live cam in any northern Italian city shows this to be nonsense.
    It is far away from lockdown.


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    #6257
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    People travel from all over the world for patricks day.

    Cancel the parade. What will those people do? Gather in temple bar.

    Wait til they're all gathered, seal it off and nuke the place. Kill two birds with the one stone..


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    #6258
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,845 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    People travel from all over the world for patricks day.

    Cancel the parade. What will those people do? Gather in temple bar.

    Its a full week of events, but I take your point.

    If they are coming from areas that are unaffected, fine. If, like Italy, they are due to come from affected areas, local bans should limit travel anyway.

    The speed this thing is escalating makes me think there won't be much of any air travel going on by the time we get to the weekend after next, the beginning of Paddy's week.


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    #6259
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    It’s pretty simple.
    If governments are serious about stopping the Spread of this then a ban on air travel is necessary.

    If the only want to limit the spread then stopping gatherings is a good idea.


    It looks like they only want to limit the spread. I’m sure the numbers add up as beneficial to the health service if a few thousand high dependency people die over the next year or so. Free up some beds and all that.


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    #6260
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,190 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Its a full week of events, but I take your point.

    If they are coming from areas that are unaffected, fine. If, like Italy, they are due to come from affected areas, local bans should limit travel anyway.

    The speed this thing is escalating makes me think there won't be much of any air travel going on by the time we get to the weekend after next, the beginning of Paddy's week.


    But there is no monitoring of where they are coming from or have travelled to recently. If one irish resident person returns from tenerife with this virus and goes to the cinema etc......

    Cancelling a rugby match seems rather pointless as right now it's in isolation from other events. I think this is what confuses people as much as anything.

    There is nothing to stop Italian fans from travelling next weekend as of right now.

    Seems like the solution is back to front. Allow potential carriers here but don't let them spread within the Aviva. Temple Bar be ok though


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    #6261
    [Deleted User]
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Between 100-200 die of seasonal flu in Ireland each year, but why let the facts get in the way of a good grab of the ballsack.

    You'd be foolish enough not to educate yourself of the differences between this virus and routine flu. This is giving strong healthy people pneumonia and that takes you out of the game maybe for months.
    .

    One of the top doctors in CUH was on the radio this morning and stated that in a bad year up to 1000 people die of flu in Ireland.

    He also stated that for the vast majority of people the corona virus is no worse than a head cold.


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    #6262
    thebaz
    Registered Users Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Knox Salmon Shortbread wrote: »
    One of the top doctors in CUH was on the radio this morning and stated that in a bad year up to 1000 people die of flu in Ireland.

    He also stated that for the vast majority of people the corona virus is no worse than a head cold.

    a region/city in China is in lockdown for 6 weeks, and parts of Italy are now in lockdown, a hotel in the Canaries is in lockdown / stock market is crashing all over a head cold / someone is telling porkies


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    #6263
    evil_seed
    Registered Users Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭evil_seed


    thebaz wrote: »
    a region/city in China is in lockdown for 6 weeks, and parts of Italy are now in lockdown, a hotel in the Canaries is in lockdown / stock market is crashing all over a head cold / someone is telling porkies

    disclaimer - not a doctor.

    However, the most common form of a coronavirus is a common cold. there aere more serious strains mers, sars and covid19. This is where confusion is coming in. The hysteria is around covid19. It can be lethal as we know and hear from reports.


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    #6264
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    So the government is telling the IRFU to cancel a match in 10 days, while in Italy they're saying that they could lift the ban on sporting events in the affected area on Monday.

    https://en.as.com/en/2020/02/26/football/1582721389_166567.html
    "If the data does not give us different indications, it may well be that from March 2 we will not extend the ban on sporting events," sports minister Vincenzo Spadafora told reporters. "We will see how it develops in the next few days.


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    #6265
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    evil_seed wrote: »
    disclaimer - not a doctor.

    However, the most common form of a coronavirus is a common cold. there aere more serious strains mers, sars and covid19. This is where confusion is coming in. The hysteria is around covid19. It can be lethal as we know and hear from reports.

    My understanding is that, while the fatality rate for SARS is higher, the coroanvirus is far more contagious, and that's the bigger issue. From here, over a week ago:
    At a briefing on 17 February WHO’s director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said that more than 80% of patients with covid-19 have a “mild disease and will recover” and that it is fatal in 2% of reported cases. In comparison, the 2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) had a case fatality rate of around 10% (8098 cases and 774 deaths), while Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) killed 34% of people with the illness between 2012 and 2019 (2494 cases and 858 deaths).12

    However, despite the lower case fatality rate, covid-19 has so far resulted in more deaths (1871) than SARS and MERS combined (1632).

    I thought this tweet from the other day was interesting:

    https://twitter.com/nj_joel/status/1231567911241666562?s=12


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    #6266
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    The Ireland Italy game is postponed.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/six-nations-match-postponed-5022718-Feb2020/


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    #6267
    jacothelad
    Registered Users Posts: 5,911 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    DGRulz wrote: »
    I've seen this argument again and again. Its stupid. There's vaccines to prevent the various flu stains every year. People get those vaccines. Thats how we control that virus. This virus has no such vaccine yet and while its not as fatal as flu or SARS it is spreading a lot faster and further. So the only way to contain it is to try prevent it spreading. A mass gathering of tens of thousands of people in close proximity with the potential of even a few people from an infected region sprinkled in amongst the crowd is too big a risk.


    It's death rate is much higher then that of influenza. The death rate from 'flu is about 9 deaths per thousand. In Iran Covid is running at almost 10% although that is an outlier statistically. In China there have been almost 3000 deaths from 70,000 cases or 23 deaths per thousand. The big problem for the future is that the Covid19 virus might mutate and become a permanent ongoing disease.


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    #6268
    TheAnalyst_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheAnalyst_


    Absoloute joke. Reactionary OTT Ireland at its finest.


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    #6269
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TheAnalyst_ wrote: »
    Absoloute joke. Reactionary OTT Ireland at its finest.

    I see where you're coming from and as much as I suspect you know exactly what you are talking about I'm still gonna have to side with the HSE and WHO on this one.

    Very tight call though, I thought very long and hard about it, very hard indeed - three cheers for TheAnalyst_


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    #6270
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Absolute nonsense of the highest order ruining the 6 nations and ruining a weekends for loads of people for nothing.


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    #6271
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    I blame POM


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