New York Jets Thread

I hope we give Sam a heeeeap of time to recover now, zero point rushing him back, would say the same for Long too, they can both go and do rehab together and a week of snap practices once they're fully fit too.

And people said Darnold was the problem :rolleyes:

I fully expect Bowles to be gone this week. Abject capitulation yesterday against a bad football team. Barkley being a serviceable QB added to the mix at short notice obv made them a stiffer test than on other weeks of the season, but the manner and nature of the defeat was completely unacceptable.

If this is the level of play we can expect through the rest of the season then I would not have Darnold take the field. Protect the investment. Serious changes need to be made next offseason.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

From Rich Cimini, ESPN

Alternative viewpoint to mine, or most on here.

I could see that but honestly is Bowles staying really a steady ship at all? Keeping OC & McCown is more important to Sam imo.

phatkev wrote: »

So with the bye week behind us, what are peoples expectations for the remaining 6 week? Looking at redzone last night I found myself cheering for the teams with worse records than the Jets, purely for the improved draft position it may give us! That seems to be a common theme sense the 2015 season.

1-5, win @ Buffalo, lose the rest. So, 4-12 for the season. Ugh.

Maybe a lucky bounce in one of the other games but I can see the postseason-likely teams just drooling over playing the Jets. They're not hard to beat. The New England games are going to be ugly.

corner back 2 wrote: »

With two weeks to prepare I think they might actually play the Pats close for 2 or 3 quarters but ultimately come up short. The optimism will be short lived however with maybe 1 more win for the season.

I think they'll keep it to a low scoring game anyway, mainly hoping that we can have some sort of run game to give the defense some rests and whoever ends up as QB a bit of a chance.

midfield dynamo wrote: »

You'd have to hope that they bench Darnold for the rest of the season so as not to destroy his development. Especially with two games against the Pats...

I'm not sure, I'd probably bench him for this one, make sure that foot is properly healed too, and then head out again after that... He should be able to be competitive against the Titans Bills and Texans, not expecting wins but some improvement on his poor stats so far for sure.

midfield dynamo wrote: »

I get what you're saying and in an ideal world I'd so the same too, but with that O line in front of him things have the potential to get even uglier. I'd let McCown take the reins and let Darnold develop on the sidelines. Then hopefully we get some upgrades in the O line and new toys at WR for next season which will push Darnold on.

Yeah the last thing you'd want is him picking up a proper injury that's for sure, only thing is he'll learn from every game, no matter how bad it is so I'd rather see him out there even if we're getting hockey-ed. It's a shame we don't carry a full back or have a beast of a blocking TE otherwise you'd run them on every play as extra support.

Eh. 3-8. Snore. I'll wake up in 2019.

Gods this is awful. Blow the team up. Or something. Laughably bad team. And I had season tickets in the Kotite era.

franglan wrote: »

Watching the game delayed here. All I’ll say is if you have the opportunity to get the GOAT off the field after a 3rd down penalty. Just decline the penalty....

Todd Bowles in a nutshell!

franglan wrote: »

Watching the game delayed here. All I’ll say is if you have the opportunity to get the GOAT off the field after a 3rd down penalty. Just decline the penalty....

Just makes no sense at all that play, it wasn't even pushing them properly out of FG contention or anything? Even if Brady makes 4&2 you just say fair enough. Ridiculous.


Thought the team played alright yesterday tbh, line is poor still, McCown running for his life a couple of times. Herndon looking good. Our lack of any pressure or even run D from our line was very concerning. We need Williams to step up imo, he doesn't need to be making big plays but he should be anchoring that side of the line every single play.



Adams is unreal.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Gonna have good draft selections this year (again) and between dead cap, existing cap space, obvious leavers like McCown there's around $55m to invest in free agency without pulling many rabbits out of the hat.

Ideally it's a new coach, a new GM, hand them over a potential QB of the future, some good young skill position players and a load of cap room and high draft picks. If at some point this franchise can start making better decisions it can all change.

Agreed for once (except GM actually). Even if we have to overpay a bit there should be chances to plug holes in FA. There's plenty who I would have no problem with not seeing again, just a question of making sure we can keep any semi-competent bodies.

Igotadose wrote: »

who do we want for HC next year? An offense guy to grow Darnold? A defense guy to repair this wretched unit, with a good OC to keep Darnold going?

Defense this year is working on being an all-time worst in franchise history. 5 straight games without a TO (longest since 2008!) And Bowles supposedly a defense guy, at least, some cut him slack as far as developing an offense goes because he's a defense guy. Lousy defense.

I think the whole coaching staff goes in the offseason. Trouble is, how many years do we give them to become competitive again? Another 3 year rebuild to mediocrity and an occasional wild-card game? Bleh.

I actually don't think the defense is that bad, tough to look good when you're seeing so much ball against you. Edge rush and corners could be better but they're grand overall imo.

Offensive minded HC is definitely my preference, probably on OC from this year. Sam needs all the help he can get and we need some inspiration to get the most from the mediocre players elsewhere on offense. Bare minimum I want is someone who can run the game from the sideline, no more stupid calls / timeouts.

That sucked, really sucked. Plenty of positives completely undone in the final quarter.

helimachoptor wrote: »

Titans D held on long enough for the offense to actually move the ball.

at 10-0 down,expected you guys to win handily tbh

Todd Bowles doesn't do second half's!!

phatkev wrote: »

I swear a 6 year old with a box of crayons and some paper could come up with a better offensive gameplan than Jeremy Bates, its been absolutely atrocious

Why, because every 2d down play was a run/off-tackle run? At least Darnold came back and had a couple completions.

It won't be a shutout.

At least the special teams are playing well

Not strictly JETS related. Mark Sanchez played QB for the Redskins on Sunday and was an unmitigated disaster, apparently. Redskins seem to be another team cursed with having won a Superbowl once(?) and laughably bad since, teasing a few times but imploding usually in prime-time. I still remember LT destroying Joe Theismann's leg.

Anyway, nice read, the writer has an axe to grind (why not sign Kaepernick), but wow, Sanchez shouldn't be on a squad.

https://slate.com/culture/2018/12/mark-sanchez-washington-quarterback-pro-style-offense.html

Of QBs that have attempted 200+ passes on the season, Darnold is now ranked 30th of 32 (he also ranked 29th / 30th as a runner at the position).

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

To add some relevant context to this:

- Sam Allen (1st as a rusher at the position) and Josh Rosen are 31st and 32nd as passers
- Baker Mayfield is 17th
- Lamar Jackson is performing better as a passer the last four games than Darnold has been across the whole season

To be crystal clear, I'm not pointing out these stats to say he's a bust or is doomed or whatever. However, his first season is going extremely poorly. That is obviously in the context of a struggling roster as a whole and him being a rookie. But *substantial* improvement is required over the offseason if the team is to have a chance of winning anything with him under center.

Interestingly, Mariota / Prescott / Trubisky are the only three QBs in the bottom half of these rankings likely to lead a team to the playoffs, and they have two key points going for them:

1) They play on teams with either excellent defenses / rushing attacks / both
2) They contribute positively with their legs to keep the offense moving forward

I think the selection for new head coach has to prioritise this situation. It is absolutely necessary for Bowle's successor to be a coach who has a track record working with and developing young QBs. The short to medium term future of the franchise depends upon it.

Well now, plenty to be positive about through the first 60% of this one