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Open racism is ok if it's for the progressive cause.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Anyone in this country who uses the terms white privilege really needs to have a look at themselves and realise how unbelievably stupid it makes them look.


    It's hard to blame people being literally driven insane by a media that relentlessly assaults reality with propaganada.

    Take a look at this thread from Zack Goldberg. He did a search for particular terms on LexisNexis, a site that news articles going back to the 70's.

    Look at the bizzare rise in the use of certian terms used by the 'intersectional crowd' in news articles over the last decade. There's nothing organic about it.

    https://twitter.com/ZachG932/status/1133440945201061888

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    What could possibly explain this? What's going on around 2010 leading to the explosion of articles written about woke crap?

    Oh...

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    The suspicion is that all this 'woke' nonsense is being driven by twitter blue checkmark activists.
    It's an astroturf campaign by a small mumber of people that's having a global impact. about 8% of twitter accounts make up the majority of the platforms traffic and their influence is driving a certian narrative very inorganically


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,717 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    recedite wrote: »
    To be an asylum seeker, you'd have to fleeing some kind of political persecution wouldn't you?].

    One would think so, yes.

    Half the AS coming into Ireland are Asian men arriving from the UK.

    Are they fleeing persecution?


    The hundreds of Asian men who became bogus AS in Ireland, and then got involved in sham marriages - were they all fleeing persecution?

    No, they were not. They are criminals, and illegal immigrants.

    They are not genuine AS, they are not refugees.

    They are criminals taking advantage of our soft, and very slow, AS process.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Diplometic immuniTEEEH:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,717 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    The mind Boggles. There is an entire
    Asylum seeking process does exactly that. It checks everything about their story. At the end of the process they are either granted asylum or sent home.

    At no time during this process are they illegal immigrants

    Note that although many bogus AS are refused refugee status, correctly, as they are bogus, they are then allowed leave to remain in Ireland.

    We are awful soft.

    We reward bogus AS, by allowing them to remain, even though their application failed!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    She describes herself as an intersectional feminist , whatever that means

    She can’t get a man or a woman?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    .Charlo wrote:
    I am aware of that but that's not what I asked. If some fella comes from the back arse of Chad and claims to be seeking asylum because he is gay and being targeted in his country, how can that be verified with 100% certainty?


    When a FG TD brings a compensation claim against a business how can we be 100 percent certain its a genuine case. We aren't even 100 percent certain that everyone in Irish jails are guilty. No more than we are 100 percent certain that everyone aquitted is innocent. We do live in a world if 100 percent certainly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Naturally the Irish Independent proudly tells us that the illegal immigrant, Lesley Mkoko who hates white people was leading the charge. Hilarious!

    I'm not seeing anything to show that Mkoko hates white people.

    But he says he is a 50 year old engineer from Swaziland who left his family to go to Ireland by himself, and what he's doing here is getting a sociology degree from one of our universities (the fees are being paid by the state) and getting free bed and board (again paid for by the state), and he is complaining that if he had ever known what it was going to be like coming to Ireland he would never have come. This is mainly owing to the fact that he has to commute from Monaghan to Dublin, and doing so causes him to miss breakfast (though the university gives him free meals during the day). If Mkoko had been from neighboring South Africa he would have been hit with fees of about €30K a year.

    There's a whole level of stupidity there that is difficult to comprehend.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If there's one thing the country is surely short of, it's folks with sociology degrees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,629 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Wut? English please!

    There is no mention of racism in the article
    There is no mention of illegal immigration in the article
    There is no mention of jobless protesters in the article

    Can't dumb it down any furhter than that.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭conorhal


    .Charlo wrote: »
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    What could be driving this.... wait, why does she look so .....familiar?


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    Holy $h1t! was she a model for this baloon?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 499 ✭✭SirGerryAdams


    Why do they all have the same fringe?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    So (............) of lies.


    There are far better ways to get a dig in at your favourite targets than trying to claim Trump is a race.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Sttttoopppppp with the fecking horrible meanness!!!!!! Resorting to people's looks is lame :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Geuze wrote:
    Note that although many bogus AS are refused refugee status, correctly, as they are bogus, they are then allowed leave to remain in Ireland.


    I'm not sure if this is true. They are usually held in Cloverhill prison (there is a dedicated wing there) until there is enough of them to deport. They are then accompanied by Gardai on the flight.

    If they are allowed to stay (don't believe this activity happens ) then they still aren't illegal immigrants as the state allowed them to stay.

    You throw the term bogus around very easily. If I apply for disability and I'm turned down that does not mean that my claim is was bogus.


  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zorya wrote: »
    Resorting to people's looks is lame :mad:

    Aye. Attack the argument...


  • Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    Zorya wrote: »
    Sttttoopppppp with the fecking horrible meanness!!!!!! Resorting to people's looks is lame :mad:

    So what would you say to those morons with their balloon?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Any pics of all these gorgeous right-wing activists lads? Or does that not matter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Aye. Attack the argument...

    It's unfortunate that the level of debate was debased with publicity stunts like a giant baby hot air balloon effigy. But yeah, if you have nothing against someone other than the way they look you should probably keep your opinion to yourself, and if you do have something about their position that you object to, then you should focus on that instead.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 335 ✭✭.Charlo


    Any pics of all these gorgeous right-wing activists lads? Or does that not matter?

    Theres a few on the milkshake thread...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭tjhook


    Der Stier wrote: »
    Just look at this fat disgusting pig of a woman at it ... it's all you need to know
    Some other beauts there too, jesus christ-they always look the same.
    I feel sorry for the kids there, imagine been brought to that to be brainwashed, utter lunatic parents.


    Ah in fairness. I'd have little in common with those protestors, but I don't think personalising things achieves much. That woman doesn't look much like somebody who makes a career out of being outraged.



    Her placard isn't the worst I've seen there, by a long shot. Some of them have personalised insults against Trump, and that's not on. But a call that he's "not above the law"? Whether or not one agrees, it's really not an insult.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    She just looks like a person with a nice smile having a fun day. If you see this lady, you and I disagree politically most likely, but you are looking a-okay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    So what would you say to those morons with their balloon?

    That they are morons with a balloon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    .Charlo wrote: »
    Rejected by society, want to belong to something = left wing activism.

    This part is definitely true. Sure look at your one in the pic with the abortion referendum badges, she’ll still have the “together for yes” Facebook filter. It was over a year ago, it’s akin to supporting a football team.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Der Stier wrote: »
    Just look at this fat disgusting pig of a woman at it ... it's all you need to know

    So the right wingers now hate fat people. Show us your oil painting self?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 335 ✭✭.Charlo


    This part is definitely true. Sure look at your one in the pic with the abortion referendum badges, she’ll still have the “together for yes” Facebook filter. It was over a year ago, it’s akin to supporting a football team.

    I think it's more akin to being in a cult.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 335 ✭✭.Charlo


    klaaaz wrote: »
    So the right wingers now hate fat people. Show us your oil painting self?

    Calling someone fat doesn't mean you hate them. Lots of people are fat these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    Zorya wrote: »
    That they are morons with a balloon.

    Well its very strange I've yet to hear anyone over in the lala Lefty land criticise it yet. But as soon as we find a balloon lookalike hiding out over there straight away we're out with 'ah come on now lads we can't be criticising people for their looks'.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    ollkiller wrote: »
    Lovely bit of fat shaming there to get your point across. She looks like a female Trump actually. You gonna call him a fat pig anytime soon.

    The irony...…..


  • Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    .Charlo wrote: »
    Calling someone fat doesn't mean you hate them. Lots of people are fat these days.

    Well factually if someone is over weight they're over weight.
    No bone's about it, fact's are facts.

    The truth isn't meant to hurt, call a spade a spade.

    I know an extremely attractive looking woman, but she's an awful b I a t Ch....

    She looks great but an undesirable person to be around....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Aye. Attack the argument...


    They generally can't.

    This part is definitely true. Sure look at your one in the pic with the abortion referendum badges, she’ll still have the “together for yes” Facebook filter. It was over a year ago, it’s akin to supporting a football team.

    .Charlo wrote: »
    I think it's more akin to being in a cult.


    The irony.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    If there's one thing the country is surely short of, it's folks with sociology degrees.
    and feminist interpretative dance with a minor in basket weaving


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,629 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Well its very strange I've yet to hear anyone over in the lala Lefty land criticise it yet. But as soon as we find a balloon lookalike hiding out over there straight away we're out with 'ah come on now lads we can't be criticising people for their looks'.

    Haven't heard you give any informed criticism either, to be fair. Just digs at the people and ad homeinem attacks on posters. Oh and some **** about balloons. For some reason, you seem to be against balloons. But that's about it.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 335 ✭✭.Charlo


    MrFresh wrote: »
    They generally can't.








    The irony.

    Of what exactly??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Anteayer wrote: »
    I think we sometimes, especially online, import US political talking points that aren't relevant here and you're seeing that on both ends of the spectrum here. It's also very easy to get sucked into online bubbles that then turn out to have no traction in reality and you see that on both sides, left and right, all the time.

    So true.

    Especially this whole "left" v "right" bull****. This insistence on categorising points of view with relation to a metric that is wholly out of date and was always inadequate anyway is stupid, demeaning, belittling, impertinent, brain-numbing, thought inhibiting, debate dumbing and has no place in any country with pretensions to being a generally educated civilised society. It endures, I believe, because of the bipolar political systems that obtain in the Anglosphere, especially in the UK and America.

    Both countries have two party systems that are incapable of accommodating changing attitudes in a changing world. you have to align with one or other of the available choices: Republican (conservative/right wing) or Democrat (liberal/left wing) in America or Conservative (right) or Labour (left) in the UK.

    There is of course NOTHING in the original agendas of either the Republicans or Democrats to justify such labels as are currently affixed to them. The Republicans were once a radical party of individual freedom and progressive values (anti slavery, anti trust, welfare state) whereas the Democrats were the party of slavery, secession, segregation and State Rights. The Democrats were the party of the ku klux klan yet are now the preferred party of most African Americans, one of whom became the first black president.

    How did the tables get turned and one become "right wing" with the other being the "liberal leftie loonies"? They didn't. The choice is so arbitrary and the debate so dumb and the ability to articulate issues so polluted with label-baggage that issues that should not be ideological, such as climate change, are now being forced into a dangerously inappropriate prism of Left v Right partisanship.

    Response to the scientific reality that man made climate change is a serious issue affecting our planet should be informed by fact and reason, not ideology, but instead it is being portrayed as a left v right issue. Just see even on this thread how some lame-brains equate opposition to Trump or support for gender equality with "tree hugging"! What the **** has that got to do with anything?

    That's just by way of example. But look what the "left v Right" methodology of political discourse is doing to both Britain and America. The biggest issue facing Britain is its relations with the EU yet it is entirely unable to articulate this at the ballot box. Because not only the country, but both major parties, are hopelessly split on the issue and in a two party system such a division causes the whole system to break down.

    In America, it has allowed the rise to power of a buffoon that is quite frankly a disgrace to the human race, not just "privileged" white men.

    And seriously, do you think that the image of a ranting harridan screaming at men to know their place is going to cause many of us who voted to Repeal the 8th to change our opinions? Yeah: she's a fruitcake, a loony, a parody. But not like any of the people whose more measured and rational arguments helped to make my mind up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    .Charlo wrote: »
    Of what exactly??


    Calling the left a cult.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 335 ✭✭.Charlo


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Calling the left a cult.

    Explain how it's ironic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    .Charlo wrote: »
    Explain how it's ironic.


    Because the right can be described in the same way, more so even. Trumpists are extremely cult like. Then you have followers of the likes of Shapiro and Peterson. The far left can be cult like but when it comes to the right it's a much bigger proportion of the spectrum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,629 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Because the right can be described in the same way, more so even. Trumpists are extremely cult like. Then you have followers of the likes of Shapiro and Peterson. The far left can be cult like but when it comes to the right it's a much bigger proportion of the spectrum.

    The far anything tend to be cult like. The further away you get from center - left or right - the more likely you are to follow blindly rather than observe and inform yorurself.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Because the right can be described in the same way, more so even.......followers of the likes of Shapiro and Peterson. The far left can be cult like but when it comes to the right it's a much bigger proportion of the spectrum.


    This is what I'm talking about. You can agree or disagree with some or all of what Professor Peterson says but what is the point of labelling him "right wing"? What does that even mean in his case? Sure, he's critical of what he calls "the left", which distracts from much of what he says but calling him "right wing" doesn't clarify anything.

    (I'm presuming you're talking about Jordan Peterson and not the Australian corrupt, racist, bigot, autocrat Jo Bjelke Petersen.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭The Highwayman


    There is no mention of racism in the article
    There is no mention of illegal immigration in the article
    There is no mention of jobless protesters in the article

    Can't dumb it down any furhter than that.

    /sigh

    If you actually read what posted you'd see I made the comparison of having a placard saying be a good African and go home would be considered racist but saying the same with the exchange of African for yank is perfectly acceptable. Are you following so far or shall I draw a picture?

    Lesley Mkoko is an illegal alien, who has no right to be in the country but the likes of the Irish Independent will celebrate him regardless of the fact he broke Irish and international law on refugees and displaced persons.

    Jobless protesters? Look a the group of degenerates on a Thursday afternoon with no job to go to. Did I strike a chord, were you there with your unemployed communists comrades?

    Now go off and play with your crayons.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 499 ✭✭SirGerryAdams


    I was looking at the pictures again. Quite a lot of effort gone into making some of the masks that look like Trump. Impressive!

    But why do so many of the protesters have the same fringe? Like...why are these blunt short fringes so common amongst these people?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    The far anything tend to be cult like. The further away you get from center - left or right - the more likely you are to follow blindly rather than observe and inform yorurself.


    True, but there is a bigger proportion of the right that seem to have moved away from centre. From the growing popularity of AOC and Sanders in the US, it looks like the left over there is moving the same way, just slower.

    This is what I'm talking about. You can agree or disagree with some or all of what Professor Peterson says but what is the point of labelling him "right wing"? What does that even mean in his case? Sure, he's critical of what he calls "the left", which distracts from much of what he says but calling him "right wing" doesn't clarify anything.

    (I'm presuming you're talking about Jordan Peterson and not the Australian corrupt, racist, bigot, autocrat Jo Bjelke Petersen.)


    I didn't call him right wing. I think he is more right than left but his beliefs seem a bit more nuanced. His supporters, on the other hand, tend to be very much right wing, without the nuance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,629 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    /sigh

    If you actually read what posted you'd see I made the comparison of having a placard saying be a good African and go home would be considered racist but saying the same with the exchange of African for yank is perfectly acceptable. Are you following so far or shall I draw a picture?

    Lesley Mkoko is an illegal alien, who has no right to be in the country but the likes of the Irish Independent will celebrate him regardless of the fact he broke Irish and international law on refugees and displaced persons.

    Jobless protesters? Look a the group of degenerates on a Thursday afternoon with no job to go to. Did I strike a chord, were you there with your unemployed communists comrades?

    Now go off and play with your crayons.

    Bull**** (what racism), bull**** (Mkok is an assylem seeker), assumption (protesters are unemployed), more bull**** and ad homeinem. End of conversation. Keep the crayons, I'm only talkign to the adults here from now on.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    MrFresh wrote: »


    I didn't call [Jordan Peterson] right wing. .... His supporters, on the other hand, tend to be very much right wing, without the nuance

    Some of them ;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 499 ✭✭SirGerryAdams


    This part is definitely true. Sure look at your one in the pic with the abortion referendum badges, she’ll still have the “together for yes” Facebook filter. It was over a year ago, it’s akin to supporting a football team.

    I remember watching a video years ago by Neil Degrasse Tyson. Line that sticks with me is "that's what we want in life...we want to feel connected, like we belong, a participant in the goings on"

    https://youtu.be/9D05ej8u-gU?t=111

    This is that sense of belonging and connectivity. Most people have family, friends, jobs, hobbies to do that but these people use this as theirs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    Haven't heard you give any informed criticism either, to be fair. Just digs at the people and ad homeinem attacks on posters. Oh and some **** about balloons. For some reason, you seem to be against balloons. But that's about it.

    Give any informed criticism of what? The muppets around yesterday with the balloon who don't like Trump?

    They're morons. They don't speak for the entire country even though they like to pretend they do.

    That good enough for you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,314 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    That 'check your privilege' nonsense is not going to wash in this country. Whatever privilege we as Irish people have was hard fought for by our parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc.

    What you're essentially saying is that we are privileged. And that it's ok because someone fought for it long ago.
    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    There is a strong correlation between daft left wing views and poor physical/ mental health.

    I think maybe you're the one that needs to visit a doctor.
    Calhoun wrote: »
    Well you can see an example of this in the Doonbeg thread, locals that are happy for investment in their town are being looked down upon and going through the Irish version of being unpersoned.

    It's not so much the happy to see investment as opposed to this kind of crap

    https://twitter.com/AhNowSeriously/status/1136930130536861696

    The guy has tried to wear US colours and ended up with a dutch flag, french flag and an Irish flag :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56





    Jobless protesters? Look a the group of degenerates on a Thursday afternoon with no job to go to. Did I strike a chord, were you there with your unemployed communists comrades?

    Lets not forget the time their employers kindly let them out from their jobs to 'take back the city' so they could stop people like me from getting to work in order to be able to pay tax so I could pay for all their free houses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭The Highwayman


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Another well educated trump supporter reply.

    An illegal immigrant is someone here illegally. A person who is here as an asylum seeker isn't here illegally & are not illegal immigrant or illegal alien. An asylum seeker is perfectly legal here in Ireland till they are either granted asylum or sent home.

    If you don't have a dictionary in your house you can look up the meaning of words on the Internet. Internet can be a learning toolkit & doesn't always have to be used for negative hate speach and porn. :)

    Lol hate speech!!!!! Leftist class 101 in trying to silence someone who's saying something not progressive. You people are hilarious! Hate speech is pointing out inconvenient truths to morons apparently.


    Please explain how Lesley Mkoko came to Ireland from Swaziland.

    If he's claiming asylum he had to do so in the first country without war he arrived in. That was not Ireland. There is no war in Swaziland so what was he fleeing? So he's just on the make using the asylum system to try and circumvent Irish and European immigration law, he's just one of 10,000's doing the same thing.

    This is why the UN immigration pact surfaced because international law prevents this kind of illegal economic migration.

    Hence he's is both a criminal and a thief. An illegal alien who should be deported forthwith.

    So take your dictionary roll it up good and tight and ram it up your arse.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Some of them ;)


    Yes, the ones that made him famous.


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