A/R 5k TT 25th April ‘20.

OOnegative · 23-03-2020 1:57pm #1

As it says above, I propose using the below calculator as used by World Masters Athletics. If you don’t like it then don’t take part, we’ll not keep everyone happy!

Simply run a 5k TT on the 25th of April to qualify and fastest adjusted time wins and has bragging rights for a day!! Solo efforts only qualify, social distancing being enforced on this.

If there’s much interest might be worth while setting up a Strava group to track results but see what the interest is first. Over to ye guys to see if it takes off.

http://www.howardgrubb.co.uk/athletics/wmatnf14.html

Lazare · 23-03-2020 2:46pm

Love this idea.

Is it possible to use GAP to equalise for different gradients?

average_runner · 23-03-2020 3:16pm

OOnegative wrote: »

As it says above, I propose using the below calculator as used by World Masters Athletics. If you don’t like it then don’t take part, we’ll not keep everyone happy!

Simply run a 5k TT on the 25th of April to qualify and fastest adjusted time wins and has bragging rights for a day!! Solo efforts only qualify, social distancing being enforced on this.

If there’s much interest might be worth while setting up a Strava group to track results but see what the interest is first. Over to ye guys to see if it takes off.

http://www.howardgrubb.co.uk/athletics/wmatnf14.html

Never used strava but can do if that works best for the group

OOnegative · 23-03-2020 4:53pm

Lazare wrote: »

Is it possible to use GAP to equalise for different gradients?

Ya what now C????

average_runner · 23-03-2020 5:26pm

Should have a prediction table, so we see where we rank in dream world and in reality

Itziger · 23-03-2020 6:27pm

I'll toss me hat into the ring for a bit o' banter. I'm a maturing type, The Age Cat goes by year, right? So, if a bloke was born in, Oh let's say 1965... then he's M55 this year.....

I have a reputation for fcuking up tables so here goes with the prediction 18:30. Gotta hope the GPS works alright that day.........

skyblue46 · 23-03-2020 6:32pm

Itziger wrote: »

I'll toss me hat into the ring for a bit o' banter. I'm a maturing type, The Age Cat goes by year, right? So, if a bloke was born in, Oh let's say 1965... then he's M55 this year.....

I have a reputation for fcuking up tables so here goes with the prediction 18:30. Gotta hope the GPS works alright that day.........

It's done by birth date not by age at the start of the year. You move to a new age category on your birthday....if that has passed this year you're in the 55-59 group.

OOnegative · 23-03-2020 7:06pm

Also, as has been pointed out to me, lapped routes only. Point to point won’t qualify.

Itziger · 23-03-2020 8:10pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

It's done by birth date not by age at the start of the year. You move to a new age category on your birthday....if that has passed this year you're in the 55-59 group.

Eh, one minute now fella. I'd like to benefit from International Athletics year on year rules, thank you very much. (Not 55 till June

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skyblue46 · 23-03-2020 8:22pm

Itziger wrote: »

Eh, one minute now fella. I'd like to benefit from International Athletics year on year rules, thank you very much. (Not 55 till June )

Awwww...:o that's so unfortunate!

On the other hand with early betting indicating you, Healy and AMK as joint 4/6 favourites with 8/1 the field it definitely benefits the race that you're still so young

Lazare · 23-03-2020 8:39pm

OOnegative wrote: »

Ya what now C????

Grade adjusted pace. It's a feature on Strava on desktop or laptop.

Seems though from replies it's mostly a bit of fun so disregard.

healy1835 · 23-03-2020 9:15pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

Awwww...:o that's so unfortunate!

On the other hand with early betting indicating you, Healy and AMK as joint 4/6 favourites with 8/1 the field it definitely benefits the race that you're still so young

Well for comparisons sake I did a 5k TT last Sat on a bit of a whim. Ran 17:14, which gave me a 16:26 age graded time according to that spreadsheet. Does that sound right? I think to top the results I'd have to be going under 17mins by a bit......

Murph_D · 23-03-2020 9:17pm

Itziger wrote: »

Eh, one minute now fella. I'd like to benefit from International Athletics year on year rules, thank you very much. (Not 55 till June )

Don't wish your youth away, D!

skyblue46 · 24-03-2020 12:13am

healy1835 wrote: »

Well for comparisons sake I did a 5k TT last Sat on a bit of a whim. Ran 17:14, which gave me a 16:26 age graded time according to that spreadsheet. Does that sound right? I think to top the results I'd have to be going under 17mins by a bit......

Who will be setting a high 15/low 16 age graded target?

SuspectZero · 24-03-2020 9:09am

skyblue46 wrote: »

Who will be setting a high 15/low 16 age graded target?

There's still a fair few around here but who dont post as much who are in the 15 low to 15 high category, some of them who are even masters. So a word to wise if y'all taking it serious, don't underestimate your potential competitors and give it beans.

KSU · 24-03-2020 9:36am

Came across an idea on another group but follow up based on performances from this TT could be Road relays / Ekiden style team virtual events.

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 9:54am

Can we start getting names maybe of who’s in to get an idea on numbers?

Itziger · 24-03-2020 10:04am

Ok, after a restless night where the gross unfairness of the Age Grade rules ruined any chance of a decent kip, I contacted my legal team this morning. They have put my mind at rest somewhat but they asked me to clarify one important point before we take this matter further.

It seems that the Age graded is on the single number you put in the calculator. One puts in 38, or 72 rather than 45-50 or 35-40, correct? The junior solicitor of the team insists on having this confirmed.

If, and I repeat, if this is so then we are happy to throw our figurative hat in the ring.

As for Zero's point about there being Low and High 15's in the Masters bracket still out there, tell 'em to go for an auld bike ride that day. We don't need their type here screwing up the table and the betting odds. Funny thing, I got a WhattsApp from a bloke I met once at a race in Valencia, Rolex Kipruno or something, asked me about this virtual TT. Was wondering if he could take part.... I told him to fook off.

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 10:16am

Itziger wrote: »

It seems that the Age graded is on the single number you put in the calculator. One puts in 38, or 72 rather than 45-50 or 35-40, correct? The junior solicitor of the team insists on having this confirmed.

If like me, your 41, you enter 40-44 in the age grade, if like yourself you are 54, you enter the correct age bracket your age falls into not the actual age you are, clear? T&C’s apply, which I have a copy of and ya call tell Rhonex to fook off!!

healy1835 · 24-03-2020 10:31am

I'll give it a rattle if such things are still possible by then. (I still think a simple handicap system is the way to go though

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snailsong · 24-03-2020 10:35am

Seems like a plan, B. I might try it if I'm available. Just recently hit a new age grade. ;D

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 10:57am

healy1835 wrote: »

I'll give it a rattle if such things are still possible by then. (I still think a simple handicap system is the way to go though )

Make your suggestion & sure we can vote which feels best way to go? Bear in mind I’ll probably not understand it and need a hand with it.

average_runner · 24-03-2020 10:58am

I give it a lash also. Probably piss rain and be windy that day. Lockdown will happen half way through it and we be all arrested!!! Time away from the family:D

shotgunmcos · 24-03-2020 11:09am

Date is set.
Rule is looped course.
Set your prediction and go after it.
Pat yourself on the back

I do like KSU's Ekiden idea. Create teams, stagger the legs each day and see where it ends up. So each team with a have a 17, 18, 20, 25, 30 participant for balance. For that we would need at least 8 people signed up for a 5k TT

I'm in

Edit: My last 5k was in Jan 20:02 so put me down as a 20min (40-44)

KSU · 24-03-2020 11:16am

Count me in but instead of age grading can we do a laziness/lack of training graded calculator instead ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜€

Dudda · 24-03-2020 11:24am

I'll give it a go presuming we're not in lockdown. Prediction is 18:00 (hopefully under). Late 30's age grade.

By looped course I presume it's to stop anyone starting at the top of a mountain and finishing at the bottom? An out and back on a country road or greenway I presume is fine as is say three laps of a greenway loop or the local Parkrun route? What about a track?

healy1835 · 24-03-2020 11:37am

OOnegative wrote: »

Make your suggestion & sure we can vote which feels best way to go? Bear in mind I’ll probably not understand it and need a hand with it.

I sort of don't even want to go down this road B! It's a bit of craic and it's good that there's a couple of us trying to organise something.

I just think if we all did a 5k or a 3k time trial FIRST. That would give us some baseline data, and then everyone is given a time handicap based on their % of the fastest persons time. Then we can apply that for the first 'event'

So, lets say you run the fastest time and it's 20mins. Then I run 25mins. So for the first event, I'll get a 25% time handicap.

I think this system just let's more people in with a chance of being in the mix. But it's just one way. The main thing is we're doing something

Sussex18 · 24-03-2020 1:14pm

I'll throw my running shoes into the ring.. I'm 40-44 and in a race should be around 22 minutes. Not sure how well that replicates here though, on an open road, with all the crossings, people etc. Still surprisingly busy. I use Garmin Connect and Strava, is that ok? ðŸ™‚

SuspectZero · 24-03-2020 2:19pm

healy1835 wrote: »

I sort of don't even want to go down this road B! It's a bit of craic and it's good that there's a couple of us trying to organise something.

I just think if we all did a 5k or a 3k time trial FIRST. That would give us some baseline data, and then everyone is given a time handicap based on their % of the fastest persons time. Then we can apply that for the first 'event'

So, lets say you run the fastest time and it's 20mins. Then I run 25mins. So for the first event, I'll get a 25% time handicap.

I think this system just let's more people in with a chance of being in the mix. But it's just one way. The main thing is we're doing something

I think it would get more people involved too which is what I was trying to say in the other thread. It's a bit of a laugh and about bringing together as many people as possible and it seems like the most likely way to do it.

I remember the same thing was done for the boards sweepstakes in Bohermeen a couple of years ago and it was the best laugh and had the most community spirit of anything I've ever seen on boards and I say that as someone who wasn't even involved myself, and the competitive spirit was still there too.

Maybe we could work out match betting too like back then and donate the proceeds to some coronavirus charity or something over the series, idk, just an idea if people were willing

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 2:32pm

SuspectZero wrote: »

I think it would get more people involved too which is what I was trying to say in the other thread. It's a bit of a laugh and about bringing together as many people as possible and it seems like the most likely way to do it.

I remember the same thing was done for the boards sweepstakes in Bohermeen a couple of years ago and it was the best laugh and had the most community spirit of anything I've ever seen on boards and I say that as someone who wasn't even involved myself, and the competitive spirit was still there too.

Maybe we could work out match betting too like back then and donate the proceeds to some coronavirus charity or something over the series, idk, just an idea if people were willing

Looks like yourself and Johnny volunteered to take this over!! I got the idea off the ground and to make myself sound completely thick I haven’t a clue what either of ye are talking about so I ain’t getting involved in something I do not understand.

Sussex18 · 24-03-2020 2:48pm

Why not just have a simple virtual race, on whatever circuit we choose, trust people. Have age categories but forget about handicapping or betting? &#55357;&#56898;

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 3:06pm

I stated a looped route for fairness, I could run a point to point or out and back route here but I know it wouldn’t be fair due to the flatness of the route I chose or what way the wind is blowing. Looped route or nothing.

Itziger · 24-03-2020 3:18pm

OOnegative wrote: »

I stated a looped route for fairness, I could run a point to point or out and back route here but I know it wouldn’t be fair due to the flatness of the route I chose or what way the wind is blowing. Looped route or nothing.

Folks, less is more here. Let's not complicate things. Out and back has to work FFS as that means no advantage in altitude or wind! Point to point, a la Boston Marathon, no for both the above reasons. I'm with Sussex on this.

Keep it simple for now. Have a bit of fun. If later we want to go all fancy and have relays and contributions....... let's see.

SuspectZero · 24-03-2020 3:44pm

OOnegative wrote: »

Looks like yourself and Johnny volunteered to take this over!! I got the idea off the ground and to make myself sound completely thick I haven’t a clue what either of ye are talking about so I ain’t getting involved in something I do not understand.

I don't mind what ye do tbh, was just an idea.

Damo 2k9 · 24-03-2020 3:58pm

Ah sure ill join in, bit of craic and something to do. We might be doing laps of our back garden when this comes around!

justdoit · 24-03-2020 4:47pm

I'd like to have a crack if this goes ahead. I'd ambitiously aim for 19m20s. I'm 39...

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 4:53pm

Itziger wrote: »

Folks, less is more here. Let's not complicate things. Out and back has to work FFS as that means no advantage in altitude or wind! Point to point, a la Boston Marathon, no for both the above reasons. I'm with Sussex on this.

Keep it simple for now. Have a bit of fun. If later we want to go all fancy and have relays and contributions....... let's see.

Says the cranky Cork man who’s admitted his track of choice gives glitchy GPS readings!! I’m all for keeping it simple, break into age categories as you said minus age grading calculators etc. But I’ll stand by my point that a looped route is fairest.

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 6:14pm

This is what i have so far:

MEN:

U-12

KSU

35-39

Dudda
justdoit
healy1835
djemba djemba

40-44

OOnegative
Sussex18
shotgunmcos
ComicBookGuy

45-49

snailsong???

50-54

Itziger
skyblue46

55-59

Murph_D

WOMEN:

40-44

Laineyfrecks

45-49

YoungAnne

Ladies come join the party!!

average_runner, Damo2k9 i don't have your age category.

healy1835 · 24-03-2020 6:16pm

39 years young

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 6:24pm

Murph_D wrote: »

For some reason 00neg chose the track and field version of the spreadsheet which is based on the 5,000m rather than a road 5k. Just to complicate the handicap system even more! :pac::p

Jaysis I try to do something to help relief the boredom about the place and all I’ve gotten is abuse and contrariness!!!

Murph_D · 24-03-2020 6:25pm

Sorry B, I already deleted my unhelpful contribution! Apologies.

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 6:26pm

Murph_D wrote: »

Sorry B, I already deleted my unhelpful contribution! Apologies.

I’m only messing D, made of tougher stuff than that!!

skyblue46 · 24-03-2020 6:58pm

If the airport closes I'll have a bash at 20 minutes...50-54

Comic Book Guy · 24-03-2020 7:59pm

I've never raced a 5k so might as well give this a go with all the race cancellations going around.

Every elite diamond league meet has a few back markers to make up the numbers so I'm ready to fill the roll of cannon fodder!

Thanks for organising it B!

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 8:09pm

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

I've never raced a 5k so might as well give this a go with all the race cancellations going around.

Every elite diamond league meet has a few back markers to make up the numbers so I'm ready to fill the roll of cannon fodder!

Thanks for organising it B!

Age category J, Roscommoners are like the Kenyan’s, cannot give an honest DOB!! We played an county U-16 challenge against them one year and lad I was marking had a fully grown beard and had two teenage sons cheering him on from the sidelines!!!

Laineyfrecks · 24-03-2020 8:14pm

Count me in!

Age category 40 - 44

Cheers B!

djemba djemba · 24-03-2020 8:15pm

Good stuff. Something to aim for. I am in. 35-39 age group. Fair play oonegative

Comic Book Guy · 24-03-2020 8:38pm

OOnegative wrote: »

Age category J, Roscommoners are like the Kenyan’s, cannot give an honest DOB!! We played an county U-16 challenge against them one year and lad I was marking had a fully grown beard and had two teenage sons cheering him on from the sidelines!!!

Ya are long enough carrying that sense of loss about being born on the wrong side of the shannon, just let it go!
Same age category as yourself B.

OOnegative · 24-03-2020 8:41pm

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

Ya are long enough carrying that sense of loss about being born on the wrong side of the shannon, just let it go!
Same age category as yourself B.

We’ll always have ‘04!!!

Murph_D · 24-03-2020 8:50pm

I'll represent the M55 category. Thanks for putting it together, B!

Younganne · 24-03-2020 9:34pm

Very few females
I’ll stick my unfit name in the hat.
Not sure I’ll be able to get a looped loop but will do my best.
Prediction 26.30
Age 48

A/R 5k TT 25th April ‘20.

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