Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

freshpopcorn · 27-02-2019 7:16pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

Another things that strikes me, is that as a teacher, he more than most random people in a community, would be privy to the behind closed doors secrets of lots of his pupils homes and situations over his teaching career. You would think he should have enough experience of life to know that troubles come and go, situations change but life always goes on. Such a shame he took that from Clodagh and the boys.

Yes, that's true.
One thing I find is teachers can try and live in this perfect bubble and push it onto there family to.
I know a good few teachers.For example If a teacher makes a simple comment in parent teacher meeting. It's amazing the stuff they can have thrown in there face about there own family from a parent.

tipptom · 27-02-2019 7:32pm

Think the school has serious answers to give to parents about the timeline here.

What type of porn was this person accessing on a school computer and why was he still teaching from March up to the summer holidays and why was he going back after the holidays?

freshpopcorn · 27-02-2019 7:38pm

tipptom wrote: »

Think the school has serious answers to give to parents about the timeline here.

What type of porn was this person accessing on a school computer and why was he still teaching from March up to the summer holidays and why was he going back after the holidays?

Is there confirmation he was viewing porn on the school computer in March and that the school knew about it?

tretorn · 27-02-2019 7:41pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Teaching Council would then have got involved
That is where professional misconduct would have been brought

And that is when calls would be put into the INTO and the Colls know he rang the INTO.

Rubberchikken · 27-02-2019 7:51pm

i cant see how tusla should be involved because a man who also happens to be a father and a teacher is maybe caught masturbating.
if that was the case Tusla staff would hardly get a chance for a coffee break.

yes i agree its unacceptable behaviour at work but this man seems ti have had a seriously over inflated opinion of himself and his place in the community.

freshpopcorn · 27-02-2019 8:02pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i cant see how tusla should be involved because a man who also happens to be a father and a teacher is maybe caught masturbating.
if that was the case Tusla staff would hardly get a chance for a coffee break.

yes i agree its unacceptable behaviour at work but this man seems ti have had a seriously over inflated opinion of himself and his place in the community.

It would depend on the conditio the incident.
I know now that teachers have to get in contact with them a lot more compared to before and if they don't they'll get in trouble.
If they were contacted social workers would have being involved.
As far as I know with one of the cases a few years ago. It was said early on that social services were in contact with the family.

Nekarsulm · 27-02-2019 8:03pm

tretorn wrote: »

Its not the porn addiction that is the question, its the allegation that he masturbated while watching porn on the school premises.

Now, I dont know about you lollipops and your tolerance but I most certainly wouldnt want my children alone in a classroom for hours everyday with someone whose addiction to porn was so strong he couldnt even contain himself from 9 Am to 2 PM. I think most parents would want a teacher like that to be sacked.

Don't be so sure.
I know of a fellow ( member of staff) caught masturbating in the library room of Dail Eireann, viewing porn on one of the computers.

Due to complaints from some of the female staff, the matter was quickly dealt with.
.............He got his own office .............

tretorn · 27-02-2019 8:12pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i cant see how tusla should be involved because a man who also happens to be a father and a teacher is maybe caught masturbating.
if that was the case Tusla staff would hardly get a chance for a coffee break.

yes i agree its unacceptable behaviour at work but this man seems ti have had a seriously over inflated opinion of himself and his place in the community.

He allegedly was caught masturbating to porn in a primary school. This raises questions about his suitability for the teaching profession and would raise questions about his behaviour in front of his six year old at home. This is where Tusla would come in. And yes, Tusla do respond to concerns and pretty quickly, I know to families who were visited after childcare staff reported bruising, Tusla staff were at the door within twenty four hours and the bruises were from accidents.

I would consider this unacceptable behaviour if he was teaching my children, for Gods sake, how would anyone thing this behaviour wouldnt raise red flags.

I dont think its comparable at all to adults in a workplace witnessing someone masturbating themselves but its unacceptable in any office or public place.

Its about the innocence of children and their right not to have an adult their parent trusts behaving inappropriately.

Beechwoodspark · 27-02-2019 8:48pm

tipptom wrote: »

Think the school has serious answers to give to parents about the timeline here.

What type of porn was this person accessing on a school computer and why was he still teaching from March up to the summer holidays and why was he going back after the holidays?

Does father Felim Kelly have any involvement in this I wonder?

Rubberchikken · 27-02-2019 8:54pm

i agree the workplace is no place for this behaviour and a school, prehaps with kids around, is even worse.
does a school not have unsuitable sites blocked on their wifi?

as he's dead, why can't her family be given access to the information their want? defending his supposed rights is another way of allowing him to continue his control.

freshpopcorn · 27-02-2019 8:57pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Does father Felim Kelly have any involvement in this I wonder?

I can't find anything on their website about who's on the BOM. It's not in there whole school evaluation either.(Only some schools list these tough).
The Board of Management consists of 8 members: Chairperson, 2 parent representatives, 2 teacher representatives, 2 members of the local community and a nomimee of Bishop Leo O’Reilly.

Nekarsulm · 27-02-2019 8:58pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Does father Felim Kelly have any involvement in this I wonder?

Its Father Liam Kelly who pushed for AH to be buried with the victims " to keep the family together".
He's a Monsignor now....

Nekarsulm · 27-02-2019 9:19pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

That’s English version of felim

Well, he called himself Liam when he married us, so that's what I know him as ....

Beechwoodspark · 27-02-2019 9:30pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Well, he called himself Liam when he married us, so that's what I know him as ....

http://www.inishmagrath.com/rededmass.html

2nd pic down

Front row. 2nd from right

Same guy?

27-02-2019 9:32pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

as he's dead, why can't her family be given access to the information their want? defending his supposed rights is another way of allowing him to continue his control.

The only one I can vaguely understand citing professional privilege is the Counsellor.

Once the Counsellor releases the notes, there's a strong risk their name will become public in the process, and impugn their professional reputation for having broken client confidentiality.

But the biggest risk here isn't even to the Counsellor themselves, and certainly not to Alan Hawe - but to the possibility that releasing client files might deter others from seeking counselling, or being fully honest with counsellors, when contemplating suicide or having intrusive thoughts that might cause them to harm others.

Mrsmum · 27-02-2019 9:35pm

Liam is irish for William. No connection to Felim as far as I know.

Nekarsulm · 27-02-2019 9:42pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

http://www.inishmagrath.com/rededmass.html

2nd pic down

Front row. 2nd from right

Same guy?

Different guy, that lad is twenty years older at least.

https://www.catholicbishops.ie/2019/01/02/monsignor-liam-kelly-elected-diocesan-administrator-of-kilmore/

Beechwoodspark · 27-02-2019 9:44pm

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/memorial-mass-go-ahead-warped-11079307.amp

This is the fr felim Kelly I refer to. A “great friend” of the murderer.

“Fr Felim Kelly, who was a great friend of Hawe, helped arrange the funeral for the family and the joint burial. It took him until the month’s mind to say what Hawe did had been evil."

JonnyMarbles · 27-02-2019 9:50pm

retro:electro wrote: »

One of the most upsetting things I’ve ever watched. I’m glad we finally got to see a true representation of the man, a vile, abusive and narcissistic bully; and not the sympathetic portrayal that flooded the media in the aftermath. It didn’t even reference how he took his own life because who actually gives a shlt about what he did to himself. To take their lives is one thing, but what he did was overkill and savage slaughter. How anyone can take a hatchet to someone they claim to love, and he moved furniture weeks prior shows he had been planning it for a while. If there’s a hell I hope he’s rotting. Depression my hole. How insulting to many people who struggle with depression every day and don’t manage to annihilate their whole family.

And what about depressed people who jump in front of cars? Are they selfish?

Rubberchikken · 27-02-2019 9:50pm

certain information such as counsellor name could be withheld but her family should be given as much information as possible to help them deal with what must be a living nightmare .

if the dead cant be libeled then any conversations they had with a professional should be available to family.

retro:electro · 27-02-2019 9:56pm

JonnyMarbles wrote: »

And what about depressed people who jump in front of cars? Are they selfish?

Yes, anyone who puts the lives of innocent people at risk in order to justify their own ends is selfish. If you want to do away with yourself then do it in a way where you don’t take innocent people minding their own business and going about their lives away with you.

JonnyMarbles · 27-02-2019 10:00pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Yes, anyone who puts the lives of innocent people at risk in order to justify their own ends is selfish. If you want to do away with yourself then do it in a way where you don’t take innocent people minding their own business and going about their lives away with you.

Would be interested to hear the majority opinion on this then. Would think most people who kill themselves would be pitied as they're "not in their right mind"

Nekarsulm · 27-02-2019 10:01pm

Beechwoodspark,
I think the Mirror got the wrong name, tbh.
Liam Kelly was PP in Cross and Killenkere at the time he married us, and moved to Castlerahan before the Hawe murders took place.
These places are all within 8 or 9 miles of Ballyjamesduff where the Hawes lived.
He's still a youngish man, does a bit of 5k running and a bit of lake swimming for local tri events.
We were disgusted at the time of the funerals that he had pushed for them all to be buried together.

retro:electro · 27-02-2019 10:03pm

JonnyMarbles wrote: »

Would be interested to hear the majority opinion on this then. Would think most people who kill themselves would be pitied as they're "not in their right mind"

Of course I have sympathy for those who die by suicide. I’ve had members of my own family take their lives. My sympathy somewhat ceases however when you do it in a manner which puts the lives of others at risk, like in the example you mentioned. That opinion might not be popular but it’s how I feel. Anyway, what has this got to do with Alan Hawe?

iamwhoiam · 27-02-2019 10:04pm

JonnyMarbles wrote: »

And what about depressed people who jump in front of cars? Are they selfish?

Yes . They are self absorbed at that moment in time . My son witness a girl jump from a motorway bridge right in front of his car . He is still traumatised by the vision but he was lucky as two seconds later who knows the outcome for him .

RIP young lady

TCM · 27-02-2019 10:05pm

JonnyMarbles wrote:

And what about depressed people who jump in front of cars? Are they selfish?

They don't drag 4 other people with them.

lolie · 27-02-2019 10:09pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Beechwoodspark,
I think the Mirror got the wrong name, tbh.
Liam Kelly was PP in Cross and Killenkere at the time he married us, and moved to Castlerahan before the Hawe murders took place.
These places are all within 8 or 9 miles of Ballyjamesduff where the Hawes lived.
He's still a youngish man, does a bit of 5k running and a bit of lake swimming for local tri events.
We were disgusted at the time of the funerals that he had pushed for them all to be buried together.

Beachwoodpark is correct.
The person he pointed out in the picture is Fr Felim Kelly who was the PP in Castlerahan up until last year.

iamwhoiam · 27-02-2019 10:15pm

TCM wrote: »

They don't drag 4 other people with them.

They could well do though

Nekarsulm · 27-02-2019 10:15pm

Well Lolie and Beechwood, I apologise and stand corrected.
I've also harboured a grudge/ measure of contempt for the wrong man this last two years.
PS, feck, just realised I've also mixed up Castlerahan and Castletara...

zapitastas · 27-02-2019 10:19pm

lolie wrote: »

Beachwoodpark is correct.
The person he pointed out in the picture is Fr Felim Kelly who was the PP in Castlerahan up until last year.

Felim Kelly is now retired. Was pretty old when the events occurred.

Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

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