Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

Idbatterim · 04-03-2019 4:22pm

tretorn wrote: »

I keep reading this watching porn too. The allegations are that he was masturbating while watching porn, this is on a whole different level to someone watching porn, not that anyone should be watching porn while being paid to do a job.

watching porn in his work place isnt obviously a good idea. But if a mate told me they watched porn today, my reaction would be the same as them going out telling me they had bought a pint of milk!

goat2 · 04-03-2019 4:30pm

From what I read into all of this,
Alan Hawe wanted to appear perfect , have the perfect , family, home, car, he had all of this.
But when he fell from grace and did not want his family knowing, he did not know how to handle it,
He forgot the saying, no body is perfect, we all have our faults,

tretorn · 04-03-2019 6:33pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

For all we know there may be another member of staff involved in this 'process', whatever it was and therefore there are other rights to be protected.

We don't know so it is pointless to speculate.

Then the schools Board of Management should put out a statement to that effect.

The Colls have said no one from the school has spoken to them at all and they are the ones living in hell so their rights are more important than anyone elses.

The Colls want to know what happened in the last months of Hawes life and everyone who has information to give should give it and if something that should have been done wasnt done then let this be known too. It isnt going to help the Colls now but knowing what happened here might help some potential victims in the future.

What rights are more important than that of a tiny little six year old to be in safety in his own bed.

People have every right to speculate and if speculation nudges people with information to come forward with knowledge then speculation is good.

Its incredible that no statement has yet been issued from the school and the more this goes on the more speculation will increase.

gozunda · 04-03-2019 6:35pm

tretorn wrote: »

I keep reading this watching porn too. The allegations are that he was masturbating while watching porn, this is on a whole different level to someone watching porn, not that anyone should be watching porn while being paid to do a job.

I suppose it could also relate to the type of material being watched. Child abuse, BDSM, Snuff ... if it was accessed through the school laptop and the guards have forensicly examined same - then this may have been a bigger issue (eg as in the case of Graham Dywer) than 'watching' top shelf type stuff tbh ...

freshpopcorn · 04-03-2019 6:46pm

tretorn wrote: »

Then the schools Board of Management should put out a statement to that effect.

The Colls have said no one from the school has spoken to them at all and they are the ones living in hell so their rights are more important than anyone elses.

The Colls want to know what happened in the last months of Hawes life and everyone who has information to give should give it and if something that should have been done wasnt done then let this be known too. It isnt going to help the Colls now but knowing what happened here might help some potential victims in the future.

What rights are more important than that of a tiny little six year old to be in safety in his own bed.

People have every right to speculate and if speculation nudges people with information to come forward with knowledge then speculation is good.

Its incredible that no statement has yet been issued from the school and the more this goes on the more speculation will increase.

From my understanding in these incidents. Schools have a set of guidelines from the department. They are called the critical incident plan or something.
They can consult the counsellors who'd be in school at the time but they can't really go off talking or saying things. They issued a short statement at the time and that's nearly all they are required to do.
Regarding children in the school who may be effected. At the time of this happening they'd have being counsellors in the school to deal with children/parents/staff who may have being effected in anyway due to this incident.
However legally there's only so much that can be disclosed to the public especially when it involves a school/kids.

tretorn · 04-03-2019 6:50pm

I think it probably relates to the masturbating more than what he was watching.

Thats if this is actually true.

The Colls dont actually know what he was doing but its probably in the Garda files. On second thoughts maybe it isnt because presumably the Gardai would have had to hand over all relevant information at the time of the inquest. What was the point of this inquest anyway if all relevant matters werent disclosed.

Hopefully after the family meet the Minister for Justice they may succeed in having the Garda files handed over and also hopefully no other family will have to wait sixteen months to read the contents of a suicide note that was meant for them. Hawe wrote that note for the Colls and it was his dying words on this earth, he intended them to read it on the day their loves ones were found butchered.

The Colls are amazing women, I had no idea they were being treated like this.

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2019 6:51pm

tretorn wrote: »

Then the schools Board of Management should put out a statement to that effect.

The Colls have said no one from the school has spoken to them at all and they are the ones living in hell so their rights are more important than anyone elses.

The Colls want to know what happened in the last months of Hawes life and everyone who has information to give should give it and if something that should have been done wasnt done then let this be known too. It isnt going to help the Colls now but knowing what happened here might help some potential victims in the future.

What rights are more important than that of a tiny little six year old to be in safety in his own bed.

People have every right to speculate and if speculation nudges people with information to come forward with knowledge then speculation is good.

Its incredible that no statement has yet been issued from the school and the more this goes on the more speculation will increase.

Morally, you may have a point, but in law, everyone's right is equal. If there is somebody else involved the school would be prohibited from infringing their right to anonymity and would have a duty re: fair treatment.

Nobody knows why the school is not forthcoming, it is all just speculation.

tretorn · 04-03-2019 6:53pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

From my understanding in these incidents. Schools have a set of guidelines from the department. They are called the critical incident plan or something.
They can consult the counsellors who'd be in school at the time but they can't really go off talking or saying things. They issued a short statement at the time and that's nearly all they are required to do.
Regarding children in the school who may be effected. At the time of this happening they'd have being counsellors in the school to deal with children/parents/staff who may have being effected in anyway due to this incident.
However legally there's only so much that can be disclosed to the public especially when it involves a school/kids.

But surely if four people were murdered in their family home as a result of something that happened in school then this was relevant to the inquest. The question is were the Gardai informed after the bodies were discovered that there was a problem at school. If they were the information is in the Garda files.

If something should have been mandatorily reported under child welfare rules then I am not sure that right to privacy should prevent evidence being disclosed. Its important to know if and when Hawe was caught masturbating and what action was taken. You dont have to name anyone, you could say staff member witnessed Hawe , reported it where and then what action was taken.

freshpopcorn · 04-03-2019 6:55pm

tretorn wrote: »

I think it probably relates to the masturbating more than what he was watching.

Thats if this is actually true.

The Colls dont actually know what he was doing but its probably in the Garda files. On second thoughts maybe it isnt because presumably the Gardai would have had to hand over all relevant information at the time of the inquest. What was the point of this inquest anyway if all relevant matters werent disclosed.

Hopefully after the family meet the Minister for Justice they may succeed in having the Garda files handed over and also hopefully no other family will have to wait sixteen months to read the contents of a suicide note that was meant for them. Hawe wrote that note for the Colls and it was his dying words on this earth, he intended them to read it on the day their loves ones were found butchered.

The Colls are amazing women, I had no idea they were being treated like this.

Suicide notes especially in case like this have to treated like evidence. It's just one of these things I can't see changing.

tretorn · 04-03-2019 7:00pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Suicide notes especially in case like this have to treated like evidence. It's just one of these things I can't see changing.

The family werent told the contents of the note for sixteen months.

This is terribly wrong.

eviltwin · 04-03-2019 7:02pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Suicide notes especially in case like this have to treated like evidence. It's just one of these things I can't see changing.

Surely it's evidential value shouldn't prevent the family getting a transcript of its content?

freshpopcorn · 04-03-2019 7:05pm

tretorn wrote: »

The family werent told the contents of the note for sixteen months.

This is terribly wrong.

eviltwin wrote: »

Surely it's evidential value shouldn't prevent the family getting a transcript of its content?

I'm not really defending anybody or saying it's right but I was under the impression that in certain cases. Certain things aren't disclosed until the case ends up in court but I could be wrong.

Zorya · 04-03-2019 7:07pm

tretorn wrote: »

But surely if four people were murdered in their family home as a result of something that happened in school then this was relevant to the inquest..

To a certain extent I can understand some of your points and frustration. But this point of yours is wrong. Nobody was murdered as a result of what happened in school. That is not what normal people do. They either face the music, run away or perhaps in an extreme case might commit suicide. But this person took an axe to the heads of his wife and children - one after another in a systematic way with planning etc. This is not the result of anything anyone else did in any way, it is ALL the murderer's evil doing.

freshpopcorn · 04-03-2019 7:15pm

tretorn wrote: »

But surely if four people were murdered in their family home as a result of something that happened in school then this was relevant to the inquest. The question is were the Gardai informed after the bodies were discovered that there was a problem at school. If they were the information is in the Garda files.

It would really depend on what happened in the school and how it was reported and how the school dealt with the incident.
Since it appeared he was returning to work in September. I'd question what it was and how the matter was dealt with.

tretorn · 04-03-2019 7:31pm

It is all Hawes doing but something happened that pushed him over the edge. There is no point in hiding what happened as by doing this all facts relating to this tragedy arent being disclosed and each and everyone of these tragedies should be investigated properly so a full picture emerges as to whats causing the rise in family annilation.

Asking for full information is not pointing the finger at anyone or looking to blame anyone. Hawe was fully responsible for what he did but why he did it is the question and it wasnt because he was psychotic, it was because of something he didnt want Clodagh to find out.

Mrsmum · 04-03-2019 7:51pm

tretorn wrote: »

It is all Hawes doing but something happened that pushed him over the edge. There is no point in hiding what happened as by doing this all facts relating to this tragedy arent being disclosed and each and everyone of these tragedies should be investigated properly so a full picture emerges as to whats causing the rise in family annilation.

Asking for full information is not pointing the finger at anyone or looking to blame anyone. Hawe was fully responsible for what he did but why he did it is the question and it wasnt because he was psychotic, it was because of something he didnt want Clodagh to find out.

Clodagh's mother and sister deserve the information just because it's common decency to give them the full picture and because it's cruel to leave them in the dark but I don't see how even if you knew ever last detail it would prevent a future time. So someone who works with kids is caught in a compromising position and what, you immediately remove his wife and kids in case he goes home and murders them! When in a serious and shameful situation one man will go home and bawl his eyes out, another will book himself into rehab, another will head for the river, another will brazen it out and many other reactions. Thank God it's rare in the extreme that a person would do what he did.

04-03-2019 7:53pm

brooke 2 wrote: »

I'd say that is what happened. Clodagh's mother said that AH had sorted everything out before he killed himself. He had transferred the money from the joint account into his account, he had taken Clodagh's jewellery from her drawer and left it on the bed for her mother, he had left a note with the instruction that their car was to be left to his brother and he had left a folder with 'legal papers' on the table, which papers no doubt were eventually given to the solicitors.

Apparently, he transferred the sum of €2,500 only from their joint account to his own account. That was the sum Clodagh's sister mentioned.

gozunda · 04-03-2019 8:12pm

Balagan1 wrote: »

Apparently, he transferred the sum of €2,500 only from their joint account to his own account. That was the sum Clodagh's sister mentioned.

The transfer of money following the murders marks his behaviour at this time as extremly premeditated tbh.

His use of overkill in using several different weapons and his claim that he found murdering his family somehow enjoyable marks him out as a very dangerous and deviant individual. I dont however believe he was suffering from any form of psychosis tbh. Just my opinion.

tretorn · 04-03-2019 8:15pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

Clodagh's mother and sister deserve the information just because it's common decency to give them the full picture and because it's cruel to leave them in the dark but I don't see how even if you knew ever last detail it would prevent a future time. So someone who works with kids is caught in a compromising position and what, you immediately remove his wife and kids in case he goes home and murders them! When in a serious and shameful situation one man will go home and bawl his eyes out, another will book himself into rehab, another will head for the river, another will brazen it out and many other reactions. Thank God it's rare in the extreme that a person would do what he did.

Yes, in future if a married man working with children is caught masturbating then you inform Tusla and Tusla as a matter of urgency hold a family meeting with husband and wife present and wife is given all the facts.

The Succession Act needs to be amended as a matter of urgency. It was never the intention of the people who drafted this legislation that family murderers should have a say in where joint assets go where there are no survivors.

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2019 8:19pm

tretorn wrote: »

Yes, in future if a married man working with children is caught masturbating then you inform Tusla and Tusla as a matter of urgency hold a family meeting with husband and wife present and wife is given all the facts.

Had that been the protocol in this case, he would just have taken the action he did, earlier. His goal was not to let the wife and family find out that whatever had happened, happened.

retro:electro · 04-03-2019 8:25pm

Nothing could have stopped him. There was no barrier preventing him from acting out his darkest thoughts because he did not open up to anyone about what was going on in his mind. Various state agencies could perhaps have intervened had they been alerted but this in all honestly would not have changed the outcome. The man wanted out and he was too selfish to let his family live on without him.
To say others could have prevented this is apportioning a percentage of the blame of this heinous crime on the shoulders of people who had no idea what was running through the mind of this bastard. There is only one person to blame.

tretorn · 04-03-2019 8:37pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Had that been the protocol in this case, he would just have taken the action he did, earlier. His goal was not to let the wife and family find out that whatever had happened, happened.

We have no way of knowing what would have happened if Clodagh was advised what was happening in the school.

She was left living with that monster all day everyday over the summer while other people knew what he had done.

Again, though, we dont know for sure what he did and we wont until the school Board of Management make a statement.

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FrancieBrady · 04-03-2019 8:39pm

tretorn wrote: »

We have no way of knowing what would have happened if Clodagh was advised what was happening in the school.

She was left living with that monster all day everyday over the summer while other people knew what he had done.

Again, though, we dont know for sure what he did and we wont until the school Board of Management make a statement.

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We do know that his action was prompted by him not wanting her to find out. Therefore it would have happened before Tusla got there, if that was the protocol in place. He would have known what Tusla would do. Stands to reason.

Wombatman · 04-03-2019 8:53pm

Ms Connolly said the family believed he was “avoiding the consequences of something he was doing at work”. “He rang the INTO, we don’t know why, whether it was for a grievance or whether it was for representation. We know that he had conflict with a colleague.”

The INTO said it was not in a position to disclose information regarding its contacts with Alan Hawe. It said it provides advice and guidance to members with an assurance of strict confidentiality. “INTO fully complies with, and takes seriously, all our legal obligations,” it said.

It added that the INTO’s service to its members “did not conflict with any statutory or legal obligation”.

Union and legal sources say the INTO’s rules regarding the confidentiality of dealings are normal for any trade union.

Wonder what the conflict with a colleague was about?

I think the INTO are on their high horse a bit here. Clodagh was a member. Why not just help her family out to give them some peace of mind? It's not like doctor \ patient confidentiality or anything. The union are just lay people helping out associates.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/hawe-murders-flanagan-to-review-options-for-inquiry-1.3808910

julyjane · 04-03-2019 9:18pm

What's the significance of the €2,500 transferred out of their joint account if it was all going to pass to his family anyway?

Between that and being seen driving the car could he have been thinking of doing a runner? although he wouldn't have got too far for too long on 2.5k

Shelga · 04-03-2019 9:28pm

I think it’s absolutely awful that the Colls have nearly €50,000 of debt, from everything for funeral costs to legal bills for the inquest.

Someone should set up a crowdfunding page specifically for them, separate to the Women’s Aid one. I would do it, but for various reasons don’t wish to have my name on the internet like that, and am not on social media.

It’s incredibly sad that they are carrying that burden on top of everything else.

freshpopcorn · 04-03-2019 9:34pm

Shelga wrote: »

I think it’s absolutely awful that the Colls have nearly €50,000 of debt, from everything for funeral costs to legal bills for the inquest.

Someone should set up a crowdfunding page specifically for them, separate to the Women’s Aid one. I would do it, but for various reasons don’t wish to have my name on the internet like that, and am not on social media.

It’s incredibly sad that they are carrying that burden on top of everything else.

Somebody set up a donations page for them last week and they said they didn't want it!
Where did you read about the €50,000?

Shelga · 04-03-2019 9:38pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Somebody set up a donations page for them last week and they said they didn't want it!
Where did you read about the €50,000?

Sorry, didn’t see that, I’ve only just read Clodagh’s sister’s article on the Independent website, where she said she and the mother have debts of €50k. Hadn’t realised she’s a widower too

How much grief can one person bear.

freshpopcorn · 04-03-2019 9:46pm

Shelga wrote: »

Sorry, didn’t see that, I’ve only just read Clodagh’s sister’s article on the Independent website, where she said she and the mother have debts of €50k. Hadn’t realised she’s a widower too How much grief can one person bear.

Yes, they've being through a lot Clodagh's brother also died in 2010.

gozunda · 04-03-2019 9:49pm

julyjane wrote: »

What's the significance of the €2,500 transferred out of their joint account if it was all going to pass to his family anyway?

Between that and being seen driving the car could he have been thinking of doing a runner? although he wouldn't have got too far for too long on 2.5k

If funds had been left in the joint account - any monies would have been divied between their surviving parents presuming both he and Clodagh hadn't made wills. If Clodagh had made a will then and there was money in a joint account - then her share would have been divided as directed .

Considering the relatively small amount of cash he transferred to his own account - it would appear that he was effectively giving the finger to Clodaghs family making sure absolutely nothing went to them.

There was some speculation that he may have gone back to the school to try and destroy evidence or the likelihood he went there again to use the school laptop - though what he would have been accessing post the murder of his family is really not worth thinking about tbh ...

Mrsmum · 04-03-2019 9:56pm

I wonder was there a public service job lumpsum paid to anyone. Like if Clodagh retired from her job rather than died in service, she would be due a pension and lump sum. I presume the pension disappears if she has no spouse but you would hope the lump sum would go to the Coll family.

freshpopcorn · 04-03-2019 9:59pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

I wonder was there a public service job lumpsum paid to anyone. Like if Clodagh retired from her job rather than died in service, she would be due a pension and lump sum. I presume the pension disappears if she has no spouse but you would hope the lump sum would go to the Coll family.

I've teachers in the family and they all say we'd get something if they die from the department.. Not a lot but it would help with funeral costs. I'm not in the mood to ask them now.

04-03-2019 10:18pm

gozunda wrote: »

The transfer of money following the murders marks his behaviour at this time as extremly premeditated tbh.

His use of overkill in using several different weapons and his claim that he found murdering his family somehow enjoyable marks him out as a very dangerous and deviant individual. I dont however believe he was suffering from any form of psychosis tbh. Just my opinion.

As he'd asked in the suicide note not to have a Catholic burial, to be cremated and buried at sea, it could be that he saw the €2,500 which he transferred from their joint account to his own as covering what those costs would be to his own family. The claim that he wrote that he found murdering his family somewhat enjoyable is complete balderdash originating with a tabloid reporter/headline writer acting the maggot. The crime was unspeakable enough.

gozunda · 04-03-2019 10:24pm

Balagan1 wrote: »

As he'd asked in the suicide note not to have a Catholic burial, to be cremated and buried at sea, it could be that he saw the €2,500 which he transferred from their joint account to his own as covering what those costs would be to his own family. The claim that he wrote that he found murdering his family somewhat enjoyable is complete balderdash originating with a tabloid reporter/headline writer acting the maggot. The crime was unspeakable enough.

Tbh the idea the money was to uncover his disposal costs is speculation at best tbh. It would take many months after the funeral for that money pass to his relatives. If what you believe was true then it still points to an abnormal level of premeditation tbh.

However the question is why was he not concerned about the cost of the burial of his own family who he murdered?

The claim he found the muders enjoyable or words to that effect came from what has been said was in his letter written after he murdered his family. Afaik the whole transcript of this has not been released but certain details have beenc covered and reported. I reckon no one doubts the murders are unspeakable.

retro:electro · 04-03-2019 10:35pm

I’m not sure something he did after he murdered them counts as premeditation, tbh. What was premeditated about it was the moving of furniture months before, bringing the axe in from inside, cancelling his counselling sessions etc.
The transfer of funds was just a final fcuk you to Clodagh’s family. Maybe one last thrill of the feeling of control. Just another way of taking what wasn’t his to take and doing what he wanted with it.

BBFAN · 04-03-2019 10:42pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes it must be terrible for the relatives.
In some of my posts I may have sounded like I was defending him. I wasn't.
I was just trying to answer some of your questions/comments.

I don't think you're trying to defend him fresh but you are trying to defend rural life as you do throughout all of your posts.

Do you ever see anything bad about rural living and how small minded and closed it is?

04-03-2019 10:44pm

gozunda wrote: »

Tbh the idea the money was to uncover his disposal costs is speculation at best tbh. It would take many months after the funeral for that money pass to his relatives. If what you believe was true then it still points to an abnormal level of premeditation tbh.

However the question is why was he not concerned about the cost of the burial of his own family who he murdered?

The claim he found the muders enjoyable or words to that effect came from what has been said was in his letter written after he murdered his family. Afaik the whole transcript of this has not been released but certain details have beenc covered and reported. I reckon no one doubts the murders are unspeakable.

We are all speculating!

But the issue of the 'enjoying' the killing is researchable.

An extract from his note, published by the Irish Daily Mirror, read: "All the good stuff we did I was really into it."But I think there was some sort of psychosis that made me enjoy that yet in the next moment I was the complete opposite.“I’m sorry for how I murdered them all but I simply had no other way." The above was published in The Sun under the headline "PSYCHO'S CONFESSION Evil Alan Hawe told how he ‘enjoyed’ killing his family in chilling murder-suicide letter". https://www.thesun.ie/news/3804100/alan-hawe-enjoyed-killing-family-note-clodagh-murder-suicide/
If you agree with that headline's interpretation of those words, then I leave you to it.

BBFAN · 04-03-2019 10:46pm

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I think there's some merit in saying that in a rural community everyone knows everyone else's business, but to be painting people in rural areas as god-fearing, GAA worshipping and all-round subservient eejits to any person with a profession or title is utter hogwash. This may have been true in 50s Ireland but not anymore.
I've lived in rural areas all my life and have never came across the type of adulation being suggested.
Alan Hawe was intelligent enough to get a qualification in teaching and from that a career working in his chosen area. I suspect it was his own sense of grandiosity that may have led to his horrific actions, not the community he lived in.

Well maybe it's because you've lived in rural areas all your life that you can't see it.

I'm from Dublin but have lived in a rural area for the last four years, I've worked in another even smaller rural area for three years and all I ever here is about "how sound your man is", "he's from around here all his life, lovely family", "yeah but he's a lovely fella, mad into the GAA". and these are to describe the biggest scumbags I've ever met in my life.

freshpopcorn · 04-03-2019 10:52pm

BBFAN wrote: »

I don't think you're trying to defend him fresh but you are trying to defend rural life as you do throughout all of your posts.

Do you ever see anything bad about rural living and how small minded and closed it is?

Yes there is small mindinnes in rural areas and there exists in urban areas. Rural Ireland is obvious worse.
However what he was doing wouldn't be acceptable anywhere if the incident happened in the school. A teacher would know they were screwed.
I was also just trying to highlight the kids were involved in different activities and not just GAA.
Certain people make out all that's in an area is a GAA club and nothing else dispite various activities being available.
I also said in another post I know people and they'd gladly tell you GAA coaches weren't nice/etc.
Rural and Urban areas have advantages and disadvantages and one may suit you better than another.

gozunda · 04-03-2019 11:02pm

Balagan1 wrote: »

We are all speculating! But the issue of the 'enjoying' the killing is researchable. An extract from his note, published by the Irish Daily Mirror, read: "All the good stuff we did I was really into it."But I think there was some sort of psychosis that made me enjoy that yet in the next moment I was the complete opposite.“I’m sorry for how I murdered them all but I simply had no other way." The above was published in The Sun under the headline "PSYCHO'S CONFESSION Evil Alan Hawe told how he ‘enjoyed’ killing his family in chilling murder-suicide letter". If you agree with that headline's interpretation of those words, then I leave you to it.

Exactly so - however the point I made is that he did move the money so that only his own family could receive any of it and I believe that was premeditated

That he moved the money after the murder but had the patience and concentration to move the money makes me believe doing so wasn't a snap decision. As to the words reported- I believe they were reported in an exclusive by the Irish Mirror.

I may be mistaken but I believe this was also commented on, in one of the family interviews

The statement was reportedly contained in the second note he wrote after he killed his children and is given as written

All the good stuff we did I was really into it. But I think there was some sort of psychosis that made me enjoy that yet in the next moment I was the complete opposite. “I’m sorry for how I murdered them all but I simply had no other way.”

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/evil-dad-alan-hawe-confessed-14058375

And yes in context of what he had just done - I would agree that extract indicates some bizarre sense of fulfilment. But then that could be wrong - I suppose who really knew the mind and thoughts of this man?

Spanish Eyes · 04-03-2019 11:03pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I've teachers in the family and they all say we'd get something if they die from the department.. Not a lot but it would help with funeral costs. I'm not in the mood to ask them now.

There would be a death in service gratuity for both the deceased in this tragic case.

Two years salary each I think based on the most recent twelve month period prior to death.

Not an insubstantial amount. If I’ve got it right.

Spanish Eyes · 04-03-2019 11:05pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

I wonder was there a public service job lumpsum paid to anyone. Like if Clodagh retired from her job rather than died in service, she would be due a pension and lump sum. I presume the pension disappears if she has no spouse but you would hope the lump sum would go to the Coll family.

See my post above. No idea where it will go though or to whom

Mrsmum · 04-03-2019 11:13pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There would be a death in service gratuity for both the deceased in this tragic case.

Two years salary each I think based on the most recent twelve month period prior to death.

Not an insubstantial amount. If I’ve got it right.

Crass to be talking about money, I know, except for the fact that the Coll family are speaking publicly of being in debt. I hope they get Clodagh's portion of this money anyway.

Tomhammer · 04-03-2019 11:26pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Had that been the protocol in this case, he would just have taken the action he did, earlier. His goal was not to let the wife and family find out that whatever had happened, happened.

Tusla would hold meetings with family, extended family and professionals

The masturbation issue would be openly discussed and the risk he posed to immediate family members would be evaluated as well as the situation with the wider community

The first thing they would look at is him and how he was managing the crisis and what risk did he pose to his family

BBFAN · 04-03-2019 11:28pm

The amount of people on here who seem to think it's normal to watch porn in work is disturbing.

Yes, most people watch porn, I accept that, it's a normal activity but jesus h Christ I would never do it at work, much less so if I worked in a place where there are children!!!!!!

I mean, cop on folks.

Bobtheman · 04-03-2019 11:35pm

goat2 wrote: »

From what I read into all of this,
Alan Hawe wanted to appear perfect , have the perfect , family, home, car, he had all of this.
But when he fell from grace and did not want his family knowing, he did not know how to handle it,
He forgot the saying, no body is perfect, we all have our faults,

Unfortunately a lot of people love a highhorse. He was probably caught by a colleague and I doubt kids involved as that would be out by now. Whatever it was life is better than death.

Muahahaha · 04-03-2019 11:39pm

On payouts- in Ireland if someone is murdered their remaining family can apply to the State to get compensation from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme. Awards vary on differing circumstances but it typically averages a payout of €40,000-€50,000 for a victim of murder. Anyone who has a family member murdered can apply to the compensation scheme with one major exception- when the victim is murdered by a person they are living with.

Spanish Eyes · 04-03-2019 11:40pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

Crass to be talking about money, I know, except for the fact that the Coll family are speaking publicly of being in debt. I hope they get Clodagh's portion of this money anyway.

Sad but the lawyers will probably benefit most.

Let’s say Clodagh RIP did not leave a will, then the boys would inherit one third of her estate and Hawe Two thirds. But I suppose the issue is who died first. Awful isn’t it.

And in addition IF the boys were in fact due one third. Where does that go?

I apologise if my post is insensitive. Like I said the lawyers will benefit anyway.

Spanish Eyes · 04-03-2019 11:44pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

On payouts- in Ireland if someone is murdered their remaining family can apply to the State to get compensation from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme. Awards vary on differing circumstances but it typically averages a payout of €40,000-€50,000 for a victim of murder. Anyone who has a family member murdered can apply to the compensation scheme with one major exception- when the victim is murdered by a person they are living with.

That’s something I hadn’t heard of before now. Have you any references/links. Thanks.

retro:electro · 04-03-2019 11:45pm

Statement from Department of Ed being read on Claire Byrne just now.

Edit: basically just urging parents who have any child protection concerns to contact TUSLA.

Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

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