Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

AndrewJRenko

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Don't be so sure.
I know of a fellow ( member of staff) caught masturbating in the library room of Dail Eireann, viewing porn on one of the computers.

Due to complaints from some of the female staff, the matter was quickly dealt with.
.............He got his own office .............

This didn't happen.

holliehobbie

JonnyMarbles wrote: »

retro:electro wrote: »

One of the most upsetting things I’ve ever watched. I’m glad we finally got to see a true representation of the man, a vile, abusive and narcissistic bully; and not the sympathetic portrayal that flooded the media in the aftermath. It didn’t even reference how he took his own life because who actually gives a shlt about what he did to himself. To take their lives is one thing, but what he did was overkill and savage slaughter. How anyone can take a hatchet to someone they claim to love, and he moved furniture weeks prior shows he had been planning it for a while. If there’s a hell I hope he’s rotting. Depression my hole. How insulting to many people who struggle with depression every day and don’t manage to annihilate their whole family.

And what about depressed people who jump in front of cars? Are they selfish?

Unfortunately they mostly jump in front of trains in Ireland. I really feel for the poor train drivers in that position.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

JonnyMarbles wrote: »

Would be interested to hear the majority opinion on this then. Would think most people who kill themselves would be pitied as they're "not in their right mind"

I don’t think many people were sympathetic of the Germanwings lad who decided to take 100+ people with him four years ago.

seamus

JonnyMarbles wrote: »

Would be interested to hear the majority opinion on this then. Would think most people who kill themselves would be pitied as they're "not in their right mind"

I think in general people are moving on from this caricature that suicidal people are distraight messes wandering down the middle of the road.

Suicidal thoughts and suicidal actions come in all shapes and sizes. For some (arguably a majority), it's a sudden irresistible impulse to end it. For others its the culmination of months or years of suffering. For others again it's a temporary state of mind brought on by external situations, or sometimes even pure chemical changes in the mind.

And for a very small number it comes about during a complete disconnection from reality and rational thought.

The majority of suicidal people are very much "in their right mind". They are thinking clearly and logically, they know exactly the impact of what they're about to do, but from their position it appears to be the lesser of two evils, even though its not.

It is possible to have sympathy for someone who commits suicide, without excusing the impact of those actions. They knew what the impact would be, but they did the act anyway. No more than a guy who gets into a drunken rage and beats someone up on a night out can be worthy of pity because he's having a tough time; that doesn't excuse the fact that he did it anyway.

Laois_Man

Spare a thought for the family of Rachel Callaly (O'Reilly) - she died in a simlar manner to Clodagh but the family face the prospect of seeing her killer walk free next week....if not then, some other time

They have also lost Rachel's sister since then too

The good thing about Alan Hawe is....at least the **** is dead and burned!

ohnonotgmail

Laois_Man wrote: »

Spare a thought for the family of Rachel Callaly (O'Reilly) - she died in a simlar manner to Clodagh but the family face the prospect of seeing her killer walk free next week....if not then, some other time

They have also lost Rachel's sister since then too

The good thing about Alan Hawe is....at least the **** is dead and burned!

He has only served 12 years so no chance of probation at this stage. He also still wont admit his guilt so he will be inside for a long time yet.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He has only served 12 years so no chance of probation at this stage. He also still wont admit his guilt so he will be inside for a long time yet.

If memory serves me correctly, 12 years is about the average duration for prisoners to serve in prison when a life sentence is imposed.

Not sure to what extent the Minister takes into account an admission of guilt or other factors though. I'm sure it does feature. But if that's the average figure, it's reasonable to assume that some people who get out after 12 years must still claim innocence. After all, some are apparently released considerably earlier.

ohnonotgmail

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If memory serves me correctly, 12 years is about the average duration for prisoners to serve in prison when a life sentence is imposed.

Not sure to what extent the Minister takes into account an admission of guilt or other factors though. I'm sure it does feature. But if that's the average figure, it's reasonable to assume that some people who get out after 12 years must still claim innocence. After all, some are apparently released considerably earlier.

It is much longer than that. the current average is 18.

Woke Hogan

It was a terribly tragic case but the speculation and the length of this thread really encapsulates the Irish's thirst for misery porn.

ohnonotgmail

Woke Hogan wrote: »

It was a terribly tragic case but the speculation and the length of this thread really encapsulates the Irish's thirst for misery porn.

I think it is more a case of people wanting to understand what happened. I haven't seen anybody here revelling in the case.

retro:electro

Woke Hogan wrote: »

It was a terribly tragic case but the speculation and the length of this thread really encapsulates the Irish's thirst for misery porn.

The programme only aired on Monday night, the thread isn’t even at 40 pages yet. Most people are posting their thoughts about the programme and airing sympathies to the family. Bear in mind that before this programme aired, nobody had any conclusive idea about just how much of a controlling narcissist Hawe actually was. A lot of presumptions about him were left up in the air, we now know the extent of his acts and how pre-meditated they were.
Your comment encapsulates the Irish thirst for begrudging what other people have interest in.

pawdee

Woke Hogan wrote: »

It was a terribly tragic case but the speculation and the length of this thread really encapsulates the Irish's thirst for misery porn.

Says himself. What are you doing here then?

DEFTLEFTHAND

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It is much longer than that. the current average is 18.

Gone up to 22 now. 2016 statistics.

DEFTLEFTHAND

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If memory serves me correctly, 12 years is about the average duration for prisoners to serve in prison when a life sentence is imposed.

Not sure to what extent the Minister takes into account an admission of guilt or other factors though. I'm sure it does feature. But if that's the average figure, it's reasonable to assume that some people who get out after 12 years must still claim innocence. After all, some are apparently released considerably earlier.

It would be a huge black mark against a prisoner if they refused to admit guilt after doing a considerable stretch inside on a life sentence . Parole would be very unlikely.

I'd be looking at their case again if they were still steadfastly proclaiming their innocence.. Innocent people do end up in prison , the system is by no means perfect.

ohnonotgmail

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Gone up to 22 now. 2016 statistics.

You see, i had it in my head that it was 22 but i looked it up again very recently and found an article from 2018 where it says it was 18. But either way it is a lot more than 12.

Degringola

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No you have it exactly right.

After Clodagh Hawe died, her assets passed in law to Alan Hawe, and since he was the last person alive, I'm pretty sure no will can even supersede the statutory provisions. So everything should pass to his next of kin.

He and his wife probably had a provision in their will that the kids should receive the assets but that's moot.

So as AH was the last to die, all assets would go to his next of kin. What was the point then in transferring a relatively small amount of money from the joint account to his own. It would also be held up in probate surely, and would not be accessible to pay for the funerals.

freshpopcorn

They are going to meet the Garda commissioner next week.

https://m.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/were-confident-well-get-access-to-files-family-of-murdered-clodagh-hawe-to-meet-with-garda-commissioner-37865902.html?fbclid=IwAR1dzcSUox10-gt5-MS2ikKmE8RD1aB9lvVcyiqSkZvmbr94sxZcAJG2v_g

iamwhoiam

Just on the news , they are hopeful they can access the Garda files
Two strong women and I hope they get all the help they need

dartboardio

Awful situation. I cant fathom how anyone could kill their own child/children/wife..

The people not telling them the full story are worse.

I seen this gofundme link on facebook the local church are raising funds for the mother i think

gf.me/u/q4waia

retro:electro

Two very graceful and dignified ladies who have shown amazing class and restraint when you wouldn’t blame them for being the opposite. I truly hope they get what they’re looking for.

donkeykong5

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Well, he called himself Liam when he married us, so that's what I know him as ....

http://www.inishmagrath.com/rededmass.html

2nd pic down

Front row. 2nd from right

Same guy?

Looks a bit like trump.

helimachoptor

Just watched. It there. I'm not an emotional person but jesus that's so sad.

Has it been released how he killed himself?

freshpopcorn

helimachoptor wrote: »

Just watched. It there. I'm not an emotional person but jesus that's so sad.

Has it been released how he killed himself?

From what I remember he hung himself.

had a **** in skewL and was caught parading around in womens undies.
he thought he'd save the family the shame of carrying his issues and do them the kind courtesy of murdering them in horrendous fashion..have i got it right?
all of this cloaked in a veil of the mental disease de jour, depression??
I said this before, in the dark ages, townsfolk would come upon similar scenes such as this..rather than admit the human condition, they'd blame were wolves and superstitious beings... that's how bad this is, calling it depression is the same fooking thing.. I cannot comprehend it, so I'll give it a name..it's savagery end of story..accept it.



so basically a fantasist like joe o Reily who did himself too??
a **** of the highest order... i wouldn't try mitigate him by saying he's misunderstood, or woe is he, what a burden to carry. it's a spit in the face of that family.

goat2

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No you have it exactly right.

After Clodagh Hawe died, her assets passed in law to Alan Hawe, and since he was the last person alive, I'm pretty sure no will can even supersede the statutory provisions. So everything should pass to his next of kin.

He and his wife probably had a provision in their will that the kids should receive the assets but that's moot.

I am sure that his family must be very hurt by all of this, his actions, they too knew his children and cherished them, and that they must feel awful for Clodagh and the children and her mother and sister

Elmer Blooker

gaius c wrote: »

Judging by what Kathleen Chada had to say, the family are unlikely to get any answers even if the information they seek is made public and she had the advantage that the murderer of her two boys is still alive.

Why should the information be made public? I saw the programme and that was enough information for me. If Clodagh's family want to release any information they receive that's up to them but I hope they don't.

Lets face it, this is manna from heaven for the grotty tabloids, it has everything- the cross dressing Jeckyl and Hyde monster, murder, porn, a primary school .... this is Catherine Nevin and the 'scissors sisters' multiplied by ten!
Like I said give Clodagh's family the information that they are entitled to and deserve but should the tabloids be encouraged to exploit this tragedy for all it's worth to sell 'papers'? Let Clodagh and her boys RIP.

jmayo

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

The porn addiction was clearly a central issue.

Why was he seeking counselling fro it?

People usually are forced to go for counselling often by employers.

TheDriver wrote: »

I think its probably the fact that its a professional file in a workplace that can't just be given out to anyone who asks. Its her family want it, not his family. And even at that, its a professional file that contains competency/grievances etc. I assume Gardai have checked and found nothing factual to report

Actually Tretorn raises interesting point.
If my kids were in that school I would definitely want to know what the the school authorities knew about this man and what steps they had been taking.

Hoboo wrote: »

Finally an intelligent and informed post. Kudos.

Unfortunately the masses really don't understand the complexities of mental health and the diverse and vast range of illnesses, symptoms and outcomes.

How a GP is meant to simply spot depression without the patient discussing it is beyond me. He could have been going to the GP for years for anything, and pretending to be fine.

I think the family would be better served receiving counselling themselves, not sure they'll get any kind of closure otherwise.

You have no right to basically tell the family to just put up with the appalling treatment they have received, as in not seeing the suicide note for 18 months, and just get on with counselling.

tretorn wrote: »

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They still dont know what happened on the school premises, everyone one who had a child in the school needs to know what was going on and not just the Coll family.
All the schoolchildren were at risk too, he was a wslking time bomb and probably should have been in a mental hospital setting and not voluntarily attending a counsellor. A fully trained phychiatrist might have suspected he was a serious threat.

The school principal, board of management, Dept of Education and it seems his representative body, the INTO who are refusing to comment, have questions to answer on what was going on.

What did they know ?

What action was he facing ?

Not alone do her family need this information, but it should be a matter of urgency for the parents of all children in that school.

Refusing to disclose this information and trying to sweep this under the carpet as just being a "mental health issue of some sort" is typical of the shyte carried out in this country for far too long.

I am actually disappointed in the synopsis given by a leading expert Prof Harry Kennedy at the coroners inquest.
It is just too excusitory and there was no way in hell this was just a spur of the moment psychotic episode.

retro:electro

If anyone is interested in podcasts there is one called Mens Rea which deals with Irish cases, they covered this case a few episodes back. They’re not amazing by any stretch but decent if you’re looking for the basic info.

SoundsRight

Treating his sore toe with bleach was a bit of a red flag.

Is the response to this crime a reason why men are still reluctant to discuss mental health? You don't want people thinking you're slipping into psychosis.

Lollipops23

SoundsRight wrote: »

Treating his sore toe with bleach was a bit of a red flag.

Why? He had a fungal infection, prob thought it would kill it.