Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

Ms Connolly said the family believed he was “avoiding the consequences of something he was doing at work”. “He rang the INTO, we don’t know why, whether it was for a grievance or whether it was for representation. We know that he had conflict with a colleague.”

The INTO said it was not in a position to disclose information regarding its contacts with Alan Hawe. It said it provides advice and guidance to members with an assurance of strict confidentiality. “INTO fully complies with, and takes seriously, all our legal obligations,” it said.

It added that the INTO’s service to its members “did not conflict with any statutory or legal obligation”.

Union and legal sources say the INTO’s rules regarding the confidentiality of dealings are normal for any trade union.

Wonder what the conflict with a colleague was about?

I think the INTO are on their high horse a bit here. Clodagh was a member. Why not just help her family out to give them some peace of mind? It's not like doctor \ patient confidentiality or anything. The union are just lay people helping out associates.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/hawe-murders-flanagan-to-review-options-for-inquiry-1.3808910

I think it’s absolutely awful that the Colls have nearly €50,000 of debt, from everything for funeral costs to legal bills for the inquest.

Someone should set up a crowdfunding page specifically for them, separate to the Women’s Aid one. I would do it, but for various reasons don’t wish to have my name on the internet like that, and am not on social media.


It’s incredibly sad that they are carrying that burden on top of everything else.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Somebody set up a donations page for them last week and they said they didn't want it!
Where did you read about the €50,000?

Sorry, didn’t see that, I’ve only just read Clodagh’s sister’s article on the Independent website, where she said she and the mother have debts of €50k. Hadn’t realised she’s a widower too How much grief can one person bear.

julyjane wrote: »

What's the significance of the €2,500 transferred out of their joint account if it was all going to pass to his family anyway?

Between that and being seen driving the car could he have been thinking of doing a runner? although he wouldn't have got too far for too long on 2.5k

If funds had been left in the joint account - any monies would have been divied between their surviving parents presuming both he and Clodagh hadn't made wills. If Clodagh had made a will then and there was money in a joint account - then her share would have been divided as directed .

Considering the relatively small amount of cash he transferred to his own account - it would appear that he was effectively giving the finger to Clodaghs family making sure absolutely nothing went to them.

There was some speculation that he may have gone back to the school to try and destroy evidence or the likelihood he went there again to use the school laptop - though what he would have been accessing post the murder of his family is really not worth thinking about tbh ...

Mrsmum wrote: »

I wonder was there a public service job lumpsum paid to anyone. Like if Clodagh retired from her job rather than died in service, she would be due a pension and lump sum. I presume the pension disappears if she has no spouse but you would hope the lump sum would go to the Coll family.

I've teachers in the family and they all say we'd get something if they die from the department.. Not a lot but it would help with funeral costs. I'm not in the mood to ask them now.

Balagan1 wrote: »

As he'd asked in the suicide note not to have a Catholic burial, to be cremated and buried at sea, it could be that he saw the €2,500 which he transferred from their joint account to his own as covering what those costs would be to his own family. The claim that he wrote that he found murdering his family somewhat enjoyable is complete balderdash originating with a tabloid reporter/headline writer acting the maggot. The crime was unspeakable enough.

Tbh the idea the money was to uncover his disposal costs is speculation at best tbh. It would take many months after the funeral for that money pass to his relatives. If what you believe was true then it still points to an abnormal level of premeditation tbh.

However the question is why was he not concerned about the cost of the burial of his own family who he murdered?

The claim he found the muders enjoyable or words to that effect came from what has been said was in his letter written after he murdered his family. Afaik the whole transcript of this has not been released but certain details have beenc covered and reported. I reckon no one doubts the murders are unspeakable.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes it must be terrible for the relatives.
In some of my posts I may have sounded like I was defending him. I wasn't.
I was just trying to answer some of your questions/comments.

I don't think you're trying to defend him fresh but you are trying to defend rural life as you do throughout all of your posts.

Do you ever see anything bad about rural living and how small minded and closed it is?

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I think there's some merit in saying that in a rural community everyone knows everyone else's business, but to be painting people in rural areas as god-fearing, GAA worshipping and all-round subservient eejits to any person with a profession or title is utter hogwash. This may have been true in 50s Ireland but not anymore.
I've lived in rural areas all my life and have never came across the type of adulation being suggested.
Alan Hawe was intelligent enough to get a qualification in teaching and from that a career working in his chosen area. I suspect it was his own sense of grandiosity that may have led to his horrific actions, not the community he lived in.

Well maybe it's because you've lived in rural areas all your life that you can't see it.

I'm from Dublin but have lived in a rural area for the last four years, I've worked in another even smaller rural area for three years and all I ever here is about "how sound your man is", "he's from around here all his life, lovely family", "yeah but he's a lovely fella, mad into the GAA". and these are to describe the biggest scumbags I've ever met in my life.

Balagan1 wrote: »

We are all speculating! But the issue of the 'enjoying' the killing is researchable. An extract from his note, published by the Irish Daily Mirror, read: "All the good stuff we did I was really into it."But I think there was some sort of psychosis that made me enjoy that yet in the next moment I was the complete opposite.“I’m sorry for how I murdered them all but I simply had no other way." The above was published in The Sun under the headline "PSYCHO'S CONFESSION Evil Alan Hawe told how he ‘enjoyed’ killing his family in chilling murder-suicide letter". If you agree with that headline's interpretation of those words, then I leave you to it.

Exactly so - however the point I made is that he did move the money so that only his own family could receive any of it and I believe that was premeditated

That he moved the money after the murder but had the patience and concentration to move the money makes me believe doing so wasn't a snap decision. As to the words reported- I believe they were reported in an exclusive by the Irish Mirror.

I may be mistaken but I believe this was also commented on, in one of the family interviews

The statement was reportedly contained in the second note he wrote after he killed his children and is given as written

All the good stuff we did I was really into it. But I think there was some sort of psychosis that made me enjoy that yet in the next moment I was the complete opposite. “I’m sorry for how I murdered them all but I simply had no other way.”

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/evil-dad-alan-hawe-confessed-14058375

And yes in context of what he had just done - I would agree that extract indicates some bizarre sense of fulfilment. But then that could be wrong - I suppose who really knew the mind and thoughts of this man?

Mrsmum wrote: »

I wonder was there a public service job lumpsum paid to anyone. Like if Clodagh retired from her job rather than died in service, she would be due a pension and lump sum. I presume the pension disappears if she has no spouse but you would hope the lump sum would go to the Coll family.

See my post above. No idea where it will go though or to whom

goat2 wrote: »

From what I read into all of this,
Alan Hawe wanted to appear perfect , have the perfect , family, home, car, he had all of this.
But when he fell from grace and did not want his family knowing, he did not know how to handle it,
He forgot the saying, no body is perfect, we all have our faults,

Unfortunately a lot of people love a highhorse. He was probably caught by a colleague and I doubt kids involved as that would be out by now. Whatever it was life is better than death.

Mrsmum wrote: »

Crass to be talking about money, I know, except for the fact that the Coll family are speaking publicly of being in debt. I hope they get Clodagh's portion of this money anyway.

Sad but the lawyers will probably benefit most.

Let’s say Clodagh RIP did not leave a will, then the boys would inherit one third of her estate and Hawe Two thirds. But I suppose the issue is who died first. Awful isn’t it.

And in addition IF the boys were in fact due one third. Where does that go?

I apologise if my post is insensitive. Like I said the lawyers will benefit anyway.

Statement from Department of Ed being read on Claire Byrne just now.

Edit: basically just urging parents who have any child protection concerns to contact TUSLA.