Sex education in schools!

victor8600 · 05-12-2019 3:44pm

Midster wrote: »

THOSE THAT WANT TO DO IT

ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO IT

Sh, sh, don't get too excited. A not long time ago there were misconceptions about masturbation, such as that it causes blindness and hairy palms. It does not, by the way!

So the education is needed to dispel the myths and to provide some general safety guidelines.

Midster · 05-12-2019 3:49pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why would you not want to discuss it, as part of a programme of sex education? What specifically is your problem with discussing it?

Sure who needs schools anyway? Let's get kids to teach each other everything. What could possibly go wrong?

So who the hell do you think taught you about sex, and your parents, there parents and so on.

You don’t have to teach kids every little detail about life, they will learn themselves, and from each other. We have been doing that quite effectively since we were little monkeys.

And there are 7.5 billion of us on earth now.

The teachings that are needed are in contraceptives, and not to have sex with stupidly drunk or drugged up people, what no means and how much trouble you can get yourself into for ignoring that word.

Teach that, don’t waste teaching time in schools by teaching them what they either know already, or will find out in the near future.

Midster · 05-12-2019 3:50pm

victor8600 wrote: »

Sh, sh, don't get too excited. A not long time ago there were misconceptions about masturbation, such as that it causes blindness and hairy palms. It does not, by the way!

So the education is needed to dispel the myths and to provide some general safety guidelines.

Wear safety goggles. Lol

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-12-2019 3:51pm

Midster wrote: »

So who the hell do you think taught you about sex, and your parents, there parents and so on.

You don’t have to teach kids every little detail about life, they will learn themselves, and from each other. We have been doing that quite effectively since we were little monkeys.

And there are 7.5 billion of us on earth now.

The teachings that are needed are in contraceptives, and not to have sex with stupidly drunk or drugged up people, what no means and how much trouble you can get yourself into for ignoring that word.

Teach that, don’t waste teaching time in schools by teaching them what they either know already, or will find out in the near future.

Again - go find out what is on the syallabus! This is most of that is being proposed!

(As for wasteing time in schools.... that is a whole new argument!)

Midster · 05-12-2019 3:59pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Again - go find out what is on the syallabus! This is most of that is being proposed!

(As for wasteing time in schools.... that is a whole new argument!)

The main argument

AndrewJRenko · 05-12-2019 5:20pm

Midster wrote: »

So who the hell do you think taught you about sex, and your parents, there parents and so on.

You don’t have to teach kids every little detail about life, they will learn themselves, and from each other. We have been doing that quite effectively since we were little monkeys.

And there are 7.5 billion of us on earth now.

The teachings that are needed are in contraceptives, and not to have sex with stupidly drunk or drugged up people, what no means and how much trouble you can get yourself into for ignoring that word.

Teach that, don’t waste teaching time in schools by teaching them what they either know already, or will find out in the near future.

I was first taught by a lad called Michael Gill who sat beside me in 3rd class. Almost everything he told me was wrong, but it took me quite a few years to work that out. I was taught more by another lad who kept trying to feel me up in 5th class. I got kicked out of class for my reaction to him.

Wouldn't it have been great if I could have gotten actual facts from a credible source, along with perhaps good guidance as to what to do when someone tries to feel you up?

Why are you so afraid of simple education on sexual matters?

Midster · 05-12-2019 5:31pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I was first taught by a lad called Michael Gill who sat beside me in 3rd class. Almost everything he told me was wrong, but it took me quite a few years to work that out. I was taught more by another lad who kept trying to feel me up in 5th class. I got kicked out of class for my reaction to him.

Wouldn't it have been great if I could have gotten actual facts from a credible source, along with perhaps good guidance as to what to do when someone tries to feel you up?

Why are you so afraid of simple education on sexual matters?

I’m not afraid, I just think it’s a complete waste of time and money for everyone involved, both students and teachers.

And what the hell was you being taught by the first guy that was wrong anyway? Sex is very simple really, there’s no real trick to it once you know what buttons to be pressing, and what ones to stay well away from. Lol. Experimenting and getting things wrong at first is all part of growing up.

So let’s give these kids a super duper education on sex, perhaps have a few mechanical vaginas and a couple of dildos in class so they can be further traumatised by the whole ideal.

Are you CRAZY?

Kids will figure this stuff out.

As for you being felt up all those years ago, yes an education on welcome touching and unwelcome would be good for everyone.

But to give strong detail to kids about the act of sex itself, the ins and outs. Completely and utterly unnecessary. Let these kids find out themselves, while giving them caution on early pregnancies, contraceptives, and the word NO

AndrewJRenko · 05-12-2019 5:56pm

Midster wrote: »

I’m not afraid, I just think it’s a complete waste of time and money for everyone involved, both students and teachers.

And what the hell was you being taught by the first guy that was wrong anyway? Sex is very simple really, there’s no real trick to it once you know what buttons to be pressing, and what ones to stay well away from. Lol. Experimenting and getting things wrong at first is all part of growing up.

So let’s give these kids a super duper education on sex, perhaps have a few mechanical vaginas and a couple of dildos in class so they can be further traumatised by the whole ideal.

Are you CRAZY?

Kids will figure this stuff out.

As for you being felt up all those years ago, yes an education on welcome touching and unwelcome would be good for everyone.

But to give strong detail to kids about the act of sex itself, the ins and outs. Completely and utterly unnecessary. Let these kids find out themselves, while giving them caution on early pregnancies, contraceptives, and the word NO

Fascinating to see how many people who were quite happy to see children spending endless hours on fictional religion are suddenly worried about the 'waste of time' in schools.

And fascinating to see how people have to build up fictional strawman arguments (mechanical vaginas and dildos) to be able to say how crazy they are.

It's just part of life - age-appropriate sex education is educating people for a fairly important part of their future lives.

FeirmeoirtTed · 05-12-2019 6:03pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I was first taught by a lad called Michael Gill who sat beside me in 3rd class. Almost everything he told me was wrong, but it took me quite a few years to work that out. I was taught more by another lad who kept trying to feel me up in 5th class. I got kicked out of class for my reaction to him.

Wouldn't it have been great if I could have gotten actual facts from a credible source, along with perhaps good guidance as to what to do when someone tries to feel you up?

Why are you so afraid of simple education on sexual matters?

My problem with introducing it across the board is that children mature at very different rates many children would be very uncomfortable talking with their peers and teacher about masturbation, many children would be very innocent in their knowledge of sexual matters, why introduce this to prepubescent children???? Children can still learn all about masturbation and all things sexual from their primary educator who is their parent who is more in tune with their level of maturity. I emphatise with your above story there but school is a million miles away from that reality today children are taught about good and bad touches in early primary school. They are taught what to do if they ever happened and teachers are trained on how to report such instances.

FeirmeoirtTed · 05-12-2019 6:06pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Fascinating to see how many people who were quite happy to see children spending endless hours on fictional religion are suddenly worried about the 'waste of time' in schools.

And fascinating to see how people have to build up fictional strawman arguments (mechanical vaginas and dildos) to be able to say how crazy they are.

It's just part of life - age-appropriate sex education is educating people for a fairly important part of their future lives.

What has religion got to do with it? I'd prefer if religion was out of our schools.

Midster · 05-12-2019 6:17pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Fascinating to see how many people who were quite happy to see children spending endless hours on fictional religion are suddenly worried about the 'waste of time' in schools.

And fascinating to see how people have to build up fictional strawman arguments (mechanical vaginas and dildos) to be able to say how crazy they are.

It's just part of life - age-appropriate sex education is educating people for a fairly important part of their future lives.

Like I have said already. Kids figure this stuff out anyway.

Even in a young teenage brain It’s not a difficult thing to do, just put your penis inside her vagina, and jiggle it about a bit.

It’s simple!!

The other stuff like foreplay and how to do that should be learnt over time. And through physical practice.

You want to teach kids how to masturbate? Well believe me before any teachers even showed me a sex Ed text book I was already doing that, everyone I knew was, and if girls were truthful about it so were they.

You want to teach them to expert level on sex before most of them have even seen a naked body? Your heading for a complete disaster there cause all that will do is raise the excitement and intrigue level in all the kids you teach, kids that wouldn’t normally will become so interested and so frustrated theyll start having fantasies about someone in there class, before you know it every teen on the planet is banging or frigging themselves to an early grave, and growing forearms bigger than there legs.

Oh and btw, I never said anything about religion

AndrewJRenko · 05-12-2019 6:26pm

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

My problem with introducing it across the board is that children mature at very different rates many children would be very uncomfortable talking with their peers and teacher about masturbation, many children would be very innocent in their knowledge of sexual matters, why introduce this to prepubescent children???? Children can still learn all about masturbation and all things sexual from their primary educator who is their parent who is more in tune with their level of maturity. I emphatise with your above story there but school is a million miles away from that reality today children are taught about good and bad touches in early primary school. They are taught what to do if they ever happened and teachers are trained on how to report such instances.

The same issue applies to any sex education. Children mature differently etc etc.

If you can provide basic age-appropriate sex education for children, why can you not include masturbation as part of that?

AndrewJRenko · 05-12-2019 6:27pm

Midster wrote: »

Like I have said already. Kids figure this stuff out anyway.

Even in a young teenage brain It’s not a difficult thing to do, just put your penis inside her vagina, and jiggle it about a bit.

It’s simple!!

The other stuff like foreplay and how to do that should be learnt over time. And through physical practice.

You want to teach kids how to masturbate? Well believe me before any teachers even showed me a sex Ed text book I was already doing that, everyone I knew was, and if girls were truthful about it so were they.

You want to teach them to expert level on sex before most of them have even seen a naked body? Your heading for a complete disaster there cause all that will do is raise the excitement and intrigue level in all the kids you teach, kids that wouldn’t normally will become so interested and so frustrated theyll start having fantasies about someone in there class, before you know it every teen on the planet is banging or frigging themselves to an early grave, and growing forearms bigger than there legs.

Oh and btw, I never said anything about religion

Yet again, teaching kids about masturbation is not teaching kids to masturbate.

Midster · 05-12-2019 6:33pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yet again, teaching kids about masturbation is not teaching kids to masturbate.

So I suppose you could say the same about teaching them how to walk, or ride a bike...

Kids will use the information you give them.

Think of a time you were taught something practical and did nothing with the information. Doesn’t a teacher telling you an orgasm feels good and that’s why people have them, and this is how you can achieve one yourself at home seem a little bit weird? I mean what the hell do you think there going to do with information like that? Lol

Loafing Oaf · 05-12-2019 6:43pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yet again, teaching kids about masturbation is not teaching kids to masturbate.

Oh yes it is, there's practical exams, continuous assessment...

Midster · 05-12-2019 6:46pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Oh yes it is, there's practical exams, continuous assessment...

Even at the height of my sexual activity (many moons ago) I’d still be at home bashing the bishop so to speak.

Would a teacher many years before then, have taught me how to do it better? I very much doubt it.

Sardonicat · 05-12-2019 6:55pm

Midster wrote: »

Like I have said already. Kids figure this stuff out anyway.

Even in a young teenage brain It’s not a difficult thing to do, just put your penis inside her vagina, and jiggle it about a bit.

Is that what you think sex is? If there's a Mrs Midster she has my sympathy.

Midster · 05-12-2019 7:03pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Is that what you think sex is? If there's a Mrs Midster she has my sympathy.

My exact words were even in a teenage brain.

Just thought I’d point that out as you seem to have missed it

And yes there is a mrs midster, and she couldn’t be happier with my learning curve.

Sardonicat · 05-12-2019 7:40pm

Midster wrote: »

My exact words were even in a teenage brain.

Just thought I’d point that out as you seem to have missed it

Does that not prove the point why teenagers could benefit from sex education? All of your criticism so far has focused on the experience of straight boys. Teenage girls need telling that there's more to sex then a guy sticking his penis in her vagina. It would be most beneficial to both teenage boys and girls to know, before they start having sex, that 70% of females cannot achieve orgasm through vaginal penetration and there's nothing wrong with them if they can't . That other sexual activity is as much "sex' as vaginal sexual intetcourse and there are ways of reaching female orgasm besides it. That it's not usual for couples to cum together. That female masturbation is normal and healthy. What a clitoris is and where it is. I know adults, both male and female, who are confused about this, so obviously they didn't learn everything they need to know naturally from other kids. What about the potential for pain in females when they first start having sex? Should this not be raised along with ways to avoid it or do you think its ok that many females endure excruciating sexual intercourse when they first become sexually actuve becauae they think its normal? A thread in PI recently discussed this and to my horror many teplies from females much younger than i were telling this poor girl it was normal for a few months! You think that level of ignorance in young men and women is acceptable just so long as boys know they can stick their cocks in a vag?

And those are just a handful of ways open discussion about sex with teenagers can assist them before they start having sex. That's not even taking into account safety, hygiene, communication and consent. Oh yeah, and the kids who aren't straight. Cock goes in vag is not of much use to them.

AndrewJRenko · 05-12-2019 8:32pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Oh yes it is, there's practical exams, continuous assessment...

Orals?

LoughNeagh2017 · 05-12-2019 8:46pm

Only certain men will be having sex anyway, handsome men, wealthy men and Neuro Typical men. Autistic ugly men will not be having sex unless they pay for it in a legal country. Here are some blackpill videos for you to watch, many scientists even agree with the black pill.

AndrewJRenko · 05-12-2019 10:00pm

Midster wrote: »

So I suppose you could say the same about teaching them how to walk, or ride a bike...

Kids will use the information you give them.

Think of a time you were taught something practical and did nothing with the information. Doesn’t a teacher telling you an orgasm feels good and that’s why people have them, and this is how you can achieve one yourself at home seem a little bit weird? I mean what the hell do you think there going to do with information like that? Lol

The question you keep avoiding is why you're happy to have sex education covering sexual intercourse, but exclude masturbation.

Aren't you afraid that soon as you explain intercourse, they'll just just rush out the classroom door and start shagging like bunnies in the broom cupboards?

What's the distinction in your mind between teaching about sexual intercourse and teaching about masturbation?

Squats N Coke wrote: »

So you got molested in school and now you want to teach children about masturbation? Wtf?

You might want to go back and read it again. Skim reading doesn't work well in these discussions.

Squats N Coke wrote: »

This. They may as well not bother teaching anything to the incel social

Actually, the more you can teach people about basic human relationships, the less likely that the incels will continue to wallow in their own mess.

FeirmeoirtTed · 05-12-2019 10:28pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The same issue applies to any sex education. Children mature differently etc etc.

If you can provide basic age-appropriate sex education for children, why can you not include masturbation as part of that?

Explain to me the benefits of teaching primary school kids about masturbation? I've already given my reasons for not teaching it
Why stop a masturbation when not teach about oral sex, anal sex group sex? Why are you so determined that children should learn about masturbation?

AndrewJRenko · 05-12-2019 10:44pm

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

Explain to me the benefits of teaching primary school kids about masturbation? I've already given my reasons for not teaching it
Why stop a masturbation when not teach about oral sex, anal sex group sex? Why are you so determined that children should learn about masturbation?

Because some of them will hit puberty in fourth class, boys or girls.

Because some of them will pressure others to engage in oral sex or anal sex.

Age appropriate education is essential.

And you really haven't given any good reason for excluding masturbation as part of an overall programme of age-appropriate sex education.

FeirmeoirtTed · 05-12-2019 11:13pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Because some of them will hit puberty in fourth class, boys or girls.

Because some of them will pressure others to engage in oral sex or anal sex.

Age appropriate education is essential.

And you really haven't given any good reason for excluding masturbation as part of an overall programme of age-appropriate sex education.

So just because they hit puberty automatically thet should begin masterbating, we should teach them thats the next step! Could you ever stop talking rubbish how many 3rd or 4th class kids are engaging in anal sex or oral sex jesus christ they are playing tag and writing letters to Santa Claus. Why do you want to expose children to adult themes its beyond me why anyone would want to do that.

AndrewJRenko · 05-12-2019 11:18pm

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

So just because they hit puberty automatically thet should begin masterbating, we should teach them thats the next step! Could you ever stop talking rubbish how many 3rd or 4th class kids are engaging in anal sex or oral sex jesus christ they are playing tag and writing letters to Santa Claus. Why do you want to expose children to adult themes its beyond me why anyone would want to do that.

Again, I didn't say that 3rd or 4th class kids are engaging in anal or oral or any sex.

There's a fair chance that some of them are looking at porn, mind you, after writing their letters to Santa and playing tag. So it just might be a good idea for them to have some context.

By the time you get round to teaching them, they'll be parents worrying about their own kids.

FeirmeoirtTed · 05-12-2019 11:28pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Again, I didn't say that 3rd or 4th class kids are engaging in anal or oral or any sex.

There's a fair chance that some of them are looking at porn, mind you, after writing their letters to Santa and playing tag. So it just might be a good idea for them to have some context.

By the time you get round to teaching them, they'll be parents worrying about their own kids.

You said they might be pressuring other kids into it.
You think it's my job to stop your child looking at porn? That's your job and just because you are an absent parent doesn't mean that the rest of the class have to be exposed to adult themes. And because youre an excellent woke parent I'm sure you will build a **** room in your house just for your kids. Let us know how that goes :Dl

AndrewJRenko · 05-12-2019 11:34pm

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

You said they might be pressuring other kids into it.
You think it's my job to stop your child looking at porn? That's your job and just because you are an absent parent doesn't mean that the rest of the class have to be exposed to adult themes. And because youre an excellent woke parent I'm sure you will build a **** room in your house just for your kids. Let us know how that goes :Dl

So you don't want any sex education for primary school kids then?

FeirmeoirtTed · 05-12-2019 11:36pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So you don't want any sex education for primary school kids then?

I have literally never said that. But go ahead assume I have.

AndrewJRenko · 05-12-2019 11:56pm

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

I have literally never said that. But go ahead assume I have.

So what did you mean when you said "just because you are an absent parent doesn't mean that the rest of the class have to be exposed to adult themes"

Are the class going to be exposed to sex education or not?

Geuze · 06-12-2019 12:06am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

There's a fair chance that some of them are looking at porn, mind you, after writing their letters to Santa and playing tag. So it just might be a good idea for them to have some context.

This is false.

I have a child in 3rd class.

They are not "looking at porn".

They barely know the word "sex", indeed I suspect many of them have never heard it.

If any of them are looking at porn, I suggest it is maybe 1 in 10,000 of them, and clearly those children are living in a neglectful situation.

Geuze · 06-12-2019 12:07am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So you don't want any sex education for primary school kids then?

Is primary school too early?

Maybe.

Maybe 6th class?

FeirmeoirtTed · 06-12-2019 12:08am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So what did you mean when you said "just because you are an absent parent doesn't mean that the rest of the class have to be exposed to adult themes"

Are the class going to be exposed to sex education or not?

It means if you want your 3rd or 4th class child to learn about sex and masturbating then you teach them about it. I'm saying it's not age appropriate for much the same reason movies are given a U PG or 15 18 rating because there is no reason to teach a child in those classes about masturbation or porn if their parents are present and vigilant. I can assure you no child in school looks at porn. What happens at home is up to parental supervision. It's also not on the curriculum I've already explained exactly what is on the curriculum and I've said its important and very well explained. Ive also said children should be allowed to be children.

Geuze · 06-12-2019 12:08am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why would you not want to discuss it, as part of a programme of sex education? What specifically is your problem with discussing it?

Let's not over-sexualise children.

AndrewJRenko · 06-12-2019 12:19am

Geuze wrote: »

This is false.

I have a child in 3rd class.

They are not "looking at porn".

They barely know the word "sex", indeed I suspect many of them have never heard it.

If any of them are looking at porn, I suggest it is maybe 1 in 10,000 of them, and clearly those children are living in a neglectful situation.

It was the Accord instructor in the local Catholic school who told parents about the 4th class boys swapping lists of their favourite porn sites.

Geuze wrote: »

Is primary school too early?

Maybe.

Maybe 6th class?

6th class is too late to start. Girls are menstruating from 4th class onwards.

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

It means if you want your 3rd or 4th class child to learn about sex and masturbating then you teach them about it. I'm saying it's not age appropriate for much the same reason movies are given a U PG or 15 18 rating because there is no reason to teach a child in those classes about masturbation or porn if their parents are present and vigilant. I can assure you no child in school looks at porn. What happens at home is up to parental supervision. It's also not on the curriculum I've already explained exactly what is on the curriculum and I've said its important and very well explained. Ive also said children should be allowed to be children.

Baahaaahaaawaahaaa.

Geuze wrote: »

Let's not over-sexualise children.

Fully agree.

Educating children about sex is not sexualising them. It is educating them.

FeirmeoirtTed · 06-12-2019 12:30am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It was the Accord instructor in the local Catholic school who told parents about the 4th class boys swapping lists of their favourite porn sites.

6th class is too late to start. Girls are menstruating from 4th class onwards.

Baahaaahaaawaahaaa.

Fully agree.

Educating children about sex is not sexualising them. It is educating them.

There are filters on school Wi-Fi across the board in all Irish primary schools. children can't access porn sites. Most primary school have banned phones in the schools . If children are looking at porn in school id once again appoint the finger right back at parents. You seem to think that teaching children that watching porn and masturbating is not sexualising them? I've no idea what's going on in your local Catholic school but maybe the parents of the children should talk to their kids or stick a filter on their devices id have thought that's a responsible thing to do. Puberty is taught in 5th class.

AndrewJRenko · 06-12-2019 12:36am

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

There are filters on school Wi-Fi across the board in all Irish primary schools. children can't access porn sites. Most primary school have banned phones in the schools . If children are looking at porn in school id once again appoint the finger right back at parents. You seem to think that teaching children that watching porn and masturbating is not sexualising them? I've no idea what's going on in your local Catholic school but maybe the parents of the children should talk to their kids or stick a filter on their devices id have thought that's a responsible thing to do. Puberty is taught in 5th class.

They're not strip searching kids on the way in, so they've no real idea as to whether they have phones with them or not.

But it really doesn't matter whether they're looking at porn in school or elsewhere. The issue is that they're looking at porn. The issue is that they're swapping porn details with classmates. The issue is that they're smarter than their parents when it comes to filters.

You can play the 'see no evil' monkey if you like, but that doesn't change the reality on the ground.

FeirmeoirtTed · 06-12-2019 12:47am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

They're not strip searching kids on the way in, so they've no real idea as to whether they have phones with them or not.

But it really doesn't matter whether they're looking at porn in school or elsewhere. The issue is that they're looking at porn. The issue is that they're swapping porn details with classmates. The issue is that they're smarter than their parents when it comes to filters.

You can play the 'see no evil' monkey if you like, but that doesn't change the reality on the ground.

What reality and what ground are you talking about??? That's entirely at odds with the reality I see on the ground . Primary school kids are not looking at porn in schools where is that happening?? The biggest issue with primary school kids is Minecraft and gaming not porn websites.

AndrewJRenko · 06-12-2019 12:53am

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

What reality and what ground are you talking about??? That's entirely at odds with the reality I see on the ground . Primary school kids are not looking at porn in schools where is that happening?? The biggest issue with primary school kids is Minecraft and gaming not porn websites.

This may come as a surprise to you, but when kids (and indeed many adults) look at porn, they don't advertise what they are doing.

FeirmeoirtTed · 06-12-2019 1:09am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

This may come as a surprise to you, but when kids (and indeed many adults) look at porn, they don't advertise what they are doing.

This may come as a surprise to you they also might not be hiding anything. Also most parents are intuitive they pick up on the "signs". If you spend 6 hours a day with children for half the year you tend to judge their level of maturity/innocence on what you see in front of you, how they react to certain situations, how they react to the rse programme in general and to their peers the level of bad language used and their attitudes to their peers, what movies they want to watch on wet days.

Hotblack Desiato · 06-12-2019 1:39am

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

There are filters on school Wi-Fi across the board in all Irish primary schools. children can't access porn sites.

You have heard of this thing called mobile data, yes?

Most primary school have banned phones in the schools

They can ban them in the classroom, but from 5th or 6th class on, most kids will be bringing a phone to school.

Puberty is taught in 5th class.

That risks being too late these days, especially as many kids are nearly 6 starting school.

FeirmeoirtTed · 06-12-2019 1:55am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

You have heard of this thing called mobile data, yes?
You have heard of this thing called a content filter its implemented by the mobile data provider. Again that's a parental issue, very little a school can do about that.

They can ban them in the classroom, but from 5th or 6th class on, most kids will be bringing a phone to school.
Presumably most of these kids are looked at porn that bring in their phones then?

That risks being too late these days, especially as many kids are nearly 6 starting school.

Most kids are 5 not six in fact id say it's rare that 6 year olds start junior infants some are 4 when they start. That is what the current curriculum has in place.

Hotblack Desiato · 06-12-2019 4:09am

I didn't say they were 6, read my post again.

Midster · 06-12-2019 10:11am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The question you keep avoiding is why you're happy to have sex education covering sexual intercourse, but exclude masturbation.

Aren't you afraid that soon as you explain intercourse, they'll just just rush out the classroom door and start shagging like bunnies in the broom cupboards?

What's the distinction in your mind between teaching about sexual intercourse and teaching about masturbation?

You might want to go back and read it again. Skim reading doesn't work well in these discussions.

Actually, the more you can teach people about basic human relationships, the less likely that the incels will continue to wallow in their own mess.

I’m actually against teaching kids about both. I mean come on, really what’s the point? I got by quite happily with just a few pictures of the inside of a p***s and v****a in a text book and learnt mostly everything else by the conversations between friends.
Like I have said, sex is not a difficult thing to do, kids do and have always got the hang of it and went on after then to have very full and satisfying sex lives.
The point is, this information came in slowly, and tbh wasn’t always easy to obtain.
So I stayed just a kid, for just a little while longer.

People want to be good or brilliant at everything so fast these days, and it’s to the detriment of loosing the last strand of childhood, called innocence.

marieholmfan · 06-12-2019 10:30am

Surely the purpose of this sex education is not to make kids 'good at sex' !

Midster wrote: »

I’m actually against teaching kids about both. I mean come on, really what’s the point? I got by quite happily with just a few pictures of the inside of a p***s and v****a in a text book and learnt mostly everything else by the conversations between friends.
Like I have said, sex is not a difficult thing to do, kids do and have always got the hang of it and went on after then to have very full and satisfying sex lives.
The point is, this information came in slowly, and tbh wasn’t always easy to obtain.
So I stayed just a kid, for just a little while longer.

People want to be good or brilliant at everything so fast these days, and it’s to the detriment of loosing the last strand of childhood, called innocence.

AndrewJRenko · 06-12-2019 10:54am

Midster wrote: »

I’m actually against teaching kids about both. I mean come on, really what’s the point? I got by quite happily with just a few pictures of the inside of a p***s and v****a in a text book and learnt mostly everything else by the conversations between friends.
Like I have said, sex is not a difficult thing to do, kids do and have always got the hang of it and went on after then to have very full and satisfying sex lives.
The point is, this information came in slowly, and tbh wasn’t always easy to obtain.
So I stayed just a kid, for just a little while longer.

People want to be good or brilliant at everything so fast these days, and it’s to the detriment of loosing the last strand of childhood, called innocence.

Should we take the same approach for other topics? Maths, English, Science? Just let friends tell each other stuff and see how that works out.

Why are some people so afraid of education?

Midster · 06-12-2019 11:12am

Sardonicat wrote: »

Does that not prove the point why teenagers could benefit from sex education? All of your criticism so far has focused on the experience of straight boys. Teenage girls need telling that there's more to sex then a guy sticking his penis in her vagina. It would be most beneficial to both teenage boys and girls to know, before they start having sex, that 70% of females cannot achieve orgasm through vaginal penetration and there's nothing wrong with them if they can't . That other sexual activity is as much "sex' as vaginal sexual intetcourse and there are ways of reaching female orgasm besides it. That it's not usual for couples to cum together. That female masturbation is normal and healthy. What a clitoris is and where it is. I know adults, both male and female, who are confused about this, so obviously they didn't learn everything they need to know naturally from other kids. What about the potential for pain in females when they first start having sex? Should this not be raised along with ways to avoid it or do you think its ok that many females endure excruciating sexual intercourse when they first become sexually actuve becauae they think its normal? A thread in PI recently discussed this and to my horror many teplies from females much younger than i were telling this poor girl it was normal for a few months! You think that level of ignorance in young men and women is acceptable just so long as boys know they can stick their cocks in a vag?

And those are just a handful of ways open discussion about sex with teenagers can assist them before they start having sex. That's not even taking into account safety, hygiene, communication and consent. Oh yeah, and the kids who aren't straight. Cock goes in vag is not of much use to them.

Someone is probably going to tell me I’m wrong now, but for me, maybe 80% of the joy I got, or get from having sex is from the little noises and sounds the woman makes as your doing the best job you can for her, and the fact it was me that’s causing all those feelings rippling through the woman’s body was truly the biggest turn on of all.
Then when the man comes, it’s about 5 seconds of oh god yes and then it’s hyper sensitive.

In the early days I did notice that this wasn’t happening as much as I thought it would be, and it wasn’t as good experience in general as I was lead to believe.

But all that did was make me want to do it less, I could still have that childish boyfriend, girlfriend relationship, and looking back now I really appreciated it.

Sex was also uncomfortable for me in the beginning, when I was about 9/10 my tiny p***s was hurting when it got hard, so my mummy took me to the doctor and he told me that I needed a little bit of skin cutting of my penis, I was terrified and screamed blue murder not to have it.

As a result I’m not circumcised now. And at first having sex was also really uncomfortable for me, but I wouldn’t change that.

Sex is now wonderful, and everything I hoped it would be.

Most girls are very private about there sexual parts, so if girls any girls find they are having problems the information should be easy to find on the internet, we’re they can look at it privately, maybe chat about it with someone who understands the problem there having, with zero embarrassment vs putting your hand up in a class in front of boys/girls and friends to ask a very personal question about themselves.

Midster · 06-12-2019 11:27am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Should we take the same approach for other topics? Maths, English, Science? Just let friends tell each other stuff and see how that works out.

Why are some people so afraid of education?

Because it’s NOT NEEDED!!

It’s not that either I, or anyone else is against education. It’s just the answer doesn’t always have to be in a class room.

Kids around that age these days, spend mostly there whole time with there heads in the proverbial net, so why not give the answers on there. Instead of a classroom we’re in order to get the answers to the questions that specifically relate to them, is to put there hands up in front of the whole class and tell everyone what there private parts do, or don’t do in sex.

It would be humiliating for most people, girls even more so as, in case you haven’t noticed girls are naturally more private about there private parts.

Schools are for teaching subjects that will help these kids get jobs, and the precious time the teachers have to teach these things to the kids is being increasingly taken up by other subjects that don’t.

We have internet, all teenagers use it, so why the hell not use common sense and put the information there.

AndrewJRenko · 06-12-2019 11:31am

Midster wrote: »

Sex is now wonderful, and everything I hoped it would be.

Most girls are very private about there sexual parts, so if girls any girls find they are having problems the information should be easy to find on the internet, we’re they can look at it privately, maybe chat about it with someone who understands the problem there having, with zero embarrassment vs putting your hand up in a class in front of boys/girls and friends to ask a very personal question about themselves.

I've no idea why you would differentiate between girls and boys in the need for sex education, but 'look it up on the internet' is not education. Given the topic, it is a minefield.

Teachers are well experienced in dealing with the embarrassment factor. A simple option is to get all students to submit a note with any question they have, or a 'no question' note. Everyone submits a note, so there is no embarrassment for those who do have questions.

It's not hard really - just a basic teaching technique.

Midster · 06-12-2019 11:32am

marieholmfan wrote: »

Surely the purpose of this sex education is not to make kids 'good at sex' !

It’s not just sex Ed that’s being suggested, it’s detailed sex Ed were as a kid, if you do have a problem and an answer that’s desperately needed, you have no choice but to put your hand up in front of everyone.

We have the internet, kids that age spend there whole lives on the internet, it’s easy to use, and less embarrassing, so why not put the answers there???

Sex education in schools!

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