abortion

Originally posted by Amz
embee, myself and a number of others were discussing this on IRC the other night, I think it's unbelievable that most of the pro life/anti choice campaigners around are male!

Men, no matter how informed, educated, in touch with women can never EVER fully comprehend what it's like to become pregnant or even to have the prospect of becomming pregnant hanging over them from the time they hit puberty. It's an unbelievable thing to have to think about.

I am definitely pro choice, but even I have never had to face the difficult choices which face girls/women who become pregnant, so cannot even now make a decision as to my exact stance.

I just think that it this debate which really highlights the ignorance of certain communities, they'll use any argument to try and shock people into submission as it were, they are unwilling to listen to fact or relise that every case is different and should be dealt with accordingly.

Im totally with Amz. Walking down O Connell St. on a Saturday is stressful enough with the throngs of people, and then you pass the GPO and there they are, the pro-lifers, with their huge pictures of aborted foetuses plastered all over the walls. And theyre shouting the odds and screeching about murder. All the while, young children are walking past that and seeing those images. And it isnt like it can be avoided - they make enough noise to make sure that people look at them. I remember in college, a pro lifer telling me that my views on abortion (which are pro choice) are no better than Myra Hindley & Ian Brady murdering children on the moors.

A woman who has an abortion is not a child killer. She is not a monster like Myra Hindley or Ian Huntley or any other child killer out there. It is a personal choice that a man will NEVER understand, no matter if they knew someone that went through it or they had a partner that had an abortion. Most women that have an abortion have to put themselves through mental anguish about it before it happens. It is not an easy decision to make and there isnt a woman on this planet who has just walked into a clinic and said 'One abortion please' and thought nothing of it afterwards.
Men throwing in their two cents doesnt help.

Pro choice all the way, and it should be exclusively a womans choice.
No matter how much a man promises to stand by his woman, its her life that is impacted on more. Always has been, always will be.

Originally posted by simu
I say it's up to a woman to chose what to do.

Exactly. Noone has the right to tell you what to do with your body.

In the words of the legendary Bill Hicks: If you're so pro-life why not go picket a cemetery.

Originally posted by newband
, if u were to get pregnant by other means, e.g, lack of responsability like no protection etc, then i think it is pure selfishness to just abort, if u can be irresponsible enough to not wear protection then u should just face up to it

So you're saying that because of irresponsible sexual practices i.e. not wearing a condom that a woman should have to carry a baby for nine months, have the baby and most likely raise it?

This point annoys me because
a) It takes two to tango so who's responsibilty is it to make sure that the condom is worn? If it's both then why should the woman "suffer" more as a result of the lack of responsiblity from either?

b) I think the deciision to have a child is one which many people labour over and deal with at one point and I know of many who would put off having a child because their circustances aren't condusive to bringing a child into this world i.e. lack of proper home, no regular income to provide for the child etc.

I think it's selfish to expect a woman to have a baby in both cases if she's not fully happy to do so.

It's selfish on the part of the parents to bring a child into the world if they're not prepared to care for it 100% as best they can etc.

I don't know if I said the father should have no say if it came accross like that I apologise. I do feel that it should be discussed with the father and all the options considered I don't however feel that just because the father might want the child that the woman should have to carry it to term, particularly if she's not confident that the father will be the one taking ultimate responsibility for it's care after it's born.

I feel the choice should be the one that is best for all concerned, but in particular the mother as there is no point in her resenting the baby as this may cause her both mental and physical distress and that will undoubtadly affect the baby during the prgnancy and afterwards.

Not really in the mood at the moment for this type of discussion

two to tango but one to decide?

I'm uncommitted on this poll, I don't think I'd be happy with my partner going through with this, but I wouldn't judge a girl for having it done. So i guess that leaves me pro-choice and my choice would be no.

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
A friend of mine is coming to Ireland from the states and I was shopping around for hotel prices for her. I wanted to check out the Clarence Hotel website... I assumed it is*yoink* [/url]

Some sick fúck has registered this domain and redirected it to pictures of aborted babies. I hate that shít.

I just tried it and didn't see that, just a file does not exist on this server and generic search window thingy instead...

*just manually entered link and found it. nice. surely the clarence hotelcan do something about that?

That "It's your own fault for opening your legs" comment is another example of how ignorant some people are! Gah! That type of statement places the "blame" solely on the woman which is exactly why so many women would be of the opinion, "Why the Fuck should I consult the "father" on this matter?"

I dunno some people just can't seem to get past the fact that a woman doesn't just get pregnant on her own!!

The way i see it is if the child will ahve a hoorible life , due to illness or if the child can not be suported then it is ok in my view, the poll seems to be going twards yes.

Can i ask a question. Are any of you perents? If so would you agree with your unborn-grandchild being aborted?

Other Q if any of you women became pregnant now would you abort?

Wall actually some the weapon why i included the gradparent thing was for the people who are controled by there parents. for some people if there mom/dad said ur having that bady and thats it. That would be it and they would have it , thats why i included that question

Originally posted by newband
why should a baby pay for 'adults' mistakes, doesn't a baby have a right to live, and i think a father should have a say in all cases, it may not be his body but its still his baby, if the women doesn't agree, then tough, they got themselves into that position, now take responsability for ur actions, KILLING the baby is selfish..

Its not always a baby, up until a point its just a bunch of cells multiplying.

Originally posted by ixoy
I can see what you're saying from a medical POV but - herein lies the point - if those cells are not interfered with then, with 99.9% certainty, those cells will become a foetus that becomes a baby. Ergo by killing the cells you could be considered to be killing the baby. That's the nub of the pro-life position.

So? There are medical conditions where people could have a 99.9% chance they would die if they didnt recieve medical intervention. I dont see anyone attempting to outlaw any of these procedures on the grounds that they interfere with the natural course of life.