Handwriting decipher thread must post link to full page

pinkypinky · 28-11-2017 11:06pm

Well I'm glad it's not just me! I'll ring them in the morning.

spurious · 28-11-2017 11:41pm

It looks like the first one was moved as it was scanned. Which entry on the second page? There might be more of a chance there.

pinkypinky · 29-11-2017 12:18am

Apologies: 5th from bottom on the second link.

I do have the civil record for both marriages, but it does look like there's more to read on the church copies.

turninggreen · 29-11-2017 6:43pm

Hi All,

Anybody able to tell me what the word is written on far right of the baptism record - 3 Record Down Osborne

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01428/1586062.pdf

Thanks in advance

shanew · 29-11-2017 7:28pm

turninggreen wrote: »

Hi All,

Anybody able to tell me what the word is written on far right of the baptism record - 3 Record Down Osborne

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01428/1586062.pdf

Thanks in advance

it's a civil birth record rather than a baptism - the wording at the end looks like a note indicating that the correction to the residence of the informant in column 8 in in 'copy only'

Vetch · 29-11-2017 10:36pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Apologies: 5th from bottom on the second link.

I do have the civil record for both marriages, but it does look like there's more to read on the church copies.

Rathduff. The dispensation note looks similar to others, first part seems like a dispensation from banns.

pinkypinky · 30-11-2017 11:10am

Thanks - I meant to post yesterday that the church was helpful to a degree.
They gave me the details of the note on the first marriage (the groom is a native of the Gold Coast, South Africa) and the bride's parents' address was Chapelizod.

On the second marriage, they confirmed it said Rathduff, Bagnelstown, Co. Carlow.

But they refused to give me the dispensation details because they "couldn't read it and couldn't give me a photo of a private record". I replied that the image was already on the NLI site so in the public domain but got no response.

spurious · 30-11-2017 11:13am

I'd say if you could find an older priest, he'd recognise what the dispensation was. There were only so many possibilities really.

pedroeibar1 · 30-11-2017 12:50pm

On a point of clarity I’m not aware of any Gold Coast in South Africa. The Gold Coast was a former British colony and is in West Africa, most of it is present-day Ghana.
@Spurious, I agree; I don’t know about that parish, but more than two thirds of RC priests are aged more than 55 and about half of that cohort is older than 65. Credo Latina didicit ab omni sacerdotes aetate illius.

pinkypinky · 30-11-2017 1:01pm

I agree, and I suspect it doesn't say "south" but just Africa. The civil cert mentions the Gold Coast in Africa too.

Hermy · 03-12-2017 12:39am

Would someone mind telling me what church the first wedding was held in?
I can't make out the handwriting at all.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10811/5942781.pdf

montgo · 03-12-2017 7:48am

Maybe St. Saviours?

Hermy · 03-12-2017 10:17am

That does look like it all right. Thanks montgo.

srmf5 · 04-12-2017 10:14pm

For entry 150, can anyone make out the address and what is written under formerly for the mother's name? It doesn't look like spinster. Thanks.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01765/1695002.pdf

EDIT: Looking at the address of who registered it, it looks like 3 Campbell Street South but I have no idea where that is.

tabbey · 04-12-2017 10:38pm

srmf5 wrote: »

For entry 150, can anyone make out the address and what is written under formerly for the mother's name? It doesn't look like spinster. Thanks.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01765/1695002.pdf

EDIT: Looking at the address of who registered it, it looks like 3 Campbell Street South but I have no idea where that is.

Formerly Gunne?

There was a Campbell Street off Old Lodge Road, but probably not South.

spurious · 04-12-2017 10:47pm

It says 'a spinner'.
It seems to be the habit of that Registrar where if the father's name is not given, he gives the profession of the mother. If you look forward a couple of pages to Entries 212 and 215 on this page you will see the same thing. In those cases, a spinner and a winder.

srmf5 · 04-12-2017 11:08pm

spurious wrote: »

It says 'a spinner'.
It seems to be the habit of that Registrar where if the father's name is not given, he gives the profession of the mother. If you look forward a couple of pages to Entries 212 and 215 on this page you will see the same thing. In those cases, a spinner and a winder.

Thank you. That seems like it alright. I thought that it might be an occupation but I couldn't recognise it.

tabbey · 05-12-2017 11:08pm

srmf5 wrote: »

For entry 150,

EDIT: Looking at the address of who registered it, it looks like 3 Campbell Street South but I have no idea where that is.

I have found Campbell Street South in the Geographia street map of Belfast, undated but about late 1960s / early 70s. It was too small to show on the actual map, but was in the street list with location.
This area was largely demolished for redevelopment in the 1970s and 80s.

It was on the north side of Divis Street, (now A501) immediately west of the bridge over the Westlink (A12). Townsend Streetand Fingal's Court now covers the area.

The area is dominated by the Divis Flats, infamous during the troubles.

threetrees · 06-12-2017 12:04am

Hi, first time posting here and a newbie to research. I'm hooked now! Looking for the cause of death on line 20. Looks like "something something certified".

Thanks

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05480/4534453.pdf

P. Breathnach · 06-12-2017 12:25am

threetrees wrote: »

Hi, first time posting here and a newbie to research. I'm hooked now! Looking for the cause of death on line 20. Looks like "something something certified".

Looks to me like "Infantile atrophy". [Seems awful!]

tabbey · 06-12-2017 12:38am

threetrees wrote: »

Hi, first time posting here and a newbie to research. I'm hooked now! Looking for the cause of death on line 20. Looks like "something something certified".

Thanks

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05480/4534453.pdf

My...ile atrophy certified.
Myo usually refers to muscle, atrophy is a wasting away.

Muscular atrophy is usually due to malnutrition, given that this is an infant, it probably indicates that he had a condition preventing absorption of his diet., such as allergy to dairy products or gluten.

Certified simply means the cause of death was certified by a doctor.

threetrees · 06-12-2017 12:39am

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Looks to me like "Infantile atrophy". [Seems awful!]

Thank you! I see that's exactly it now, well done! The poor child.

srmf5 · 06-12-2017 7:57pm

tabbey wrote: »

I have found Campbell Street South in the Geographia street map of Belfast, undated but about late 1960s / early 70s. It was too small to show on the actual map, but was in the street list with location.
This area was largely demolished for redevelopment in the 1970s and 80s.

It was on the north side of Divis Street, (now A501) immediately west of the bridge over the Westlink (A12). Townsend Streetand Fingal's Court now covers the area.

The area is dominated by the Divis Flats, infamous during the troubles.

Thank you for going to the effort of finding that! You've found great information.

pinkypinky · 14-12-2017 8:28pm

Opinions on the godparents to Cornelius Joyce born 30/7/1848 to Richard Joyce and Bridget Tubbs please. 6th down on the right hand side.

https://registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000635019_179

spurious · 14-12-2017 8:33pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Opinions on the godparents to Cornelius Joyce born 30/7/1848 to Richard Joyce and Bridget Tubbs please. 6th down on the right hand side.

https://registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000635019_179

Cornelius Fogarty and Mary Carroll?

Hermy · 14-12-2017 11:32pm

spurious wrote: »

Cornelius Fogarty and Mary Carroll?

I'd second that.

pinkypinky · 15-12-2017 11:14am

Thanks all. I couldn't make out Carroll but the rest is the same as I thought.

oceanclub · 16-12-2017 12:47am

Would appreciate if anyone could verify the info here:

* Occupation: Shoe maker?
* Addresses: 4 Simpson's Court, and 8 Lurgan St?
* Father's profession: Cabinet maker?
* Sponsors: William Sherry and Anne Walter?

Hermy · 16-12-2017 9:23am

@oceanclub
That all looks right to me.

Vetch · 16-12-2017 7:19pm

oceanclub wrote: »

Would appreciate if anyone could verify the info here:

* Occupation: Shoe maker?
* Addresses: 4 Simpson's Court, and 8 Lurgan St?
* Father's profession: Cabinet maker?
* Sponsors: William Sherry and Anne Walter?

Walker instead of Walter?

oceanclub · 20-12-2017 3:41pm

Anyone have an idea what this baptism note might say? I'm not even sure it's in English or Latin! (Baptism from 1868 in Dublin)

srmf5 · 20-12-2017 10:15pm

oceanclub wrote: »

Anyone have an idea what this baptism note might say? I'm not even sure it's in English or Latin! (Baptism from 1868 in Dublin)

I can make out that it's a sub condition baptism but I'm not sure of the rest.

pedroeibar1 · 20-12-2017 11:42pm

Yes, it is Latin, a conditional baptism (sub conditione/under condition) and the following bit is I think et supplevi ceremonias (supplied [at] the ceremonies).
In short, there was some doubt if the recipient had been baptized previously, hence the conditional baptism.

spurious · 21-12-2017 12:16am

You get something like that sometimes when a child was sick and baptised at birth by a midwife or similar.

oceanclub · 21-12-2017 1:17pm

Thank you all! Appreciate the feedback there.

srmf5 · 26-12-2017 4:49pm

For Clonshower on the left hand side of this Tithe image, I'm trying to make out what's beside some names: http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625725/004625725_00306.pdf

The first, second and eleventh person all have something after their name. It looks like '& Pat' to me but I don't know what that means. I think that it might have something to do with bog land since these three people are the only ones with land greater than 10 acres besides from Arthur French Esquire.

EDIT: I just noticed something else on the form. Just above the fourth person's name, there seems to be a faded Kelly added in later perhaps. My Kellys were from this area but I haven't been able to find his name in the Tithe books.

pedroeibar1 · 26-12-2017 5:30pm

Guessing .......probably '& pats', an abbreviation for 'partners'. It's 5th quality ground, so not far off 'waste'.

srmf5 · 26-12-2017 8:22pm

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Guessing .......probably '& pats', an abbreviation for 'partners'. It's 5th quality ground, so not far off 'waste'.

Thank you! Yes that would make sense and it might explain why I haven't been able to find my Kelly ancestor in the Tithe books since the partners were not listed. The land being of 5th quality is no surprise. It's pretty much bog land with lots of evergreen trees in the area so even though I've never been, just looking at it from an aerial map makes it obvious that the land is of poor quality. It gives a good indicator that these people must have been struggling. I actually have an ancestor from this area that died as a pauper in the workhouse in 1866 despite being recorded as the occupier of land in Griffith's Valuation. It's no surprise that they left the area once they got into a bit of money.

oceanclub · 08-01-2018 1:12pm

In this baptism record, it looks like there's no name for the child of Michael Moloney & Norry Dundon (witnesses James Dwyer & Margaret Moloney) - any idea why the child's name may have been omitted in these cases?

P.

pinkypinky · 08-01-2018 1:52pm

Can you link the whole page please?

shanew · 08-01-2018 2:02pm

right hand page - abt 1/3 down Murroe, Boher and Abington 02508 / 01 - 2nd Dec 1827, looks like the priest left out the names of two children baptised on that day.

bellaf · 08-01-2018 8:44pm

Can you help me with this entry at the top of the page for the link below please: a marriage in St. Audoen's Dublin on the 4th of October 1879? It is very fuzzy unfortunately. I know the details for the bride: Julia Lacy, Tipper, Co. Kildare. Her parents were Christopher and Mary Lacy also of Tipper. I also know the name of the groom, John Carthy of Farmhill, Castleknock. I know from other records that his father's name was Martin but cannot make out his mother's name or the Latin entry under the groom's parent's address and it's significance.

I wasn't allowed include a url so the picture is at http
registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000633516_062

Thank you

shanew · 08-01-2018 9:20pm

bellaf wrote: »

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I wasn't allowed include a url so the picture is at http
registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000633516_062

Thank you

that link brings you to the basic un-zoomable version... here's the full version

for the groom's parents address - looks like it ends in Queen's Co. underneath that is the brides' parents address Tipper Co. Kildare

cant make out much of the mother's names except that they both end in a letter with a descender - e.g. y or g. The name for the groom's mother looks longer - possibly 7 or 8 letters..

Vetch · 08-01-2018 9:39pm

shanew wrote: »

that link brings you to the basic un-zoomable version... here's the full version

for the groom's parents address - looks like it ends in Queen's Co. underneath that is the brides' parents address Tipper Co. Kildare

can make out much of the mother's names except that they both end in a letter with a descender - e.g. y or g. The name for the groom's mother looks longer - possibly 7 or 8 letters..

Stradbally, Queen's Co., for the groom's parents' address. His mother's name might be Patricia. I can't see any Latin?

mickmackey1 · 08-01-2018 10:06pm

There is a death for Martin Carty, Garrymaddock Stradbally in 1905, age 79 widower of Jane.

oceanclub · 08-01-2018 11:36pm

Are the witnesses Michael Donlea (were they trying to spell Donnelly) and Bridy Dwyer?

bellaf · 08-01-2018 11:40pm

mickmackey1 wrote: »

There is a death for Martin Carty, Garrymaddock Stradbally in 1905, age 79 widower of Jane.

Thank you very much!
It seems so obvious now that the address is Stradbally, Queens Co. I had thought about Stradbally but forgot it was Queen’s County then and was looking for Laois. That is where your expertise comes in. John Carty’s birthplace on the 1901 census is Co. Kildare but my grandfather had told me that the family came from somewhere around Ballyshannon or Suncroft Co. Kildare, which isn’t too far away.
Sorry for the confusion about reference “Latin”. Since I couldn’t figure out the address I thought it might be a Latin comment!
Do you think John Carty’s mother’s name could be Bridget? I have found a record on Roots Ireland for a John Carty born in June 1861 to Martin and Brigid Carty and baptised in Abbeyleix. I know that John died in May 1916 aged 54 years (a civilian casualty of the rising) so that date would be about right.
Thanks again. Much appreciated!

shanew · 08-01-2018 11:46pm

oceanclub wrote: »

....
Are the witnesses Michael Donlea (were they trying to spell Donnelly) and Bridy Dwyer?

I see the same - looks a good interpretation to me (maybe Brigd...)

mickmackey1 · 09-01-2018 12:15am

bellaf wrote: »

John Carty’s birthplace on the 1901 census is Co. Kildare

Can you post the link to that? The only result coming up for me is a 22yo living in Offaly.

mickmackey1 · 09-01-2018 1:13am

mickmackey1 wrote: »

There is a death for Martin Carty, Garrymaddock Stradbally in 1905, age 79 widower of Jane.

Although he is is listed as McCarthy in the '01 census, which further muddies the water -

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Moyanna/Garrymaddock/1644940/

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