Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

montgo

Thanks guys.

Alan259

I'm wondering what people think it says under the age for the groom. It is the marriage of Patrick Forde and Anne Fox, the second entry on this page: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1929/09062/5278503.pdf

spurious

Alan259 wrote: »

I'm wondering what people think it says under the age for the groom. It is the marriage of Patrick Forde and Anne Fox, the second entry on this page: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1929/09062/5278503.pdf

It looks like it says 'aged' which is odd, usually they just put 'full'.

tabbey

Alan259 wrote: »

I'm wondering what people think it says under the age for the groom. It is the marriage of Patrick Forde and Anne Fox, the second entry on this page: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1929/09062/5278503.pdf

Aged 27.

The groom, the bride or both are aged 27. Take your pick.

spurious

Looking at the census, Patrick (or a person matching his address and father's name) was 31 in 1911.

Alan259

spurious wrote: »

It looks like it says 'aged' which is odd, usually they just put 'full'.

That's what I was thinking. Why the priest recorded 'aged' instead of 'full' confused me. The census link you posted was the correct one, the groom would have been 48 on his wedding day. Maybe it was just the age difference between the couple which prompted the priest to write 'aged' down for the groom.

tabbey wrote: »

Aged 27.

The groom, the bride or both are aged 27. Take your pick.

But the word which is down for the groom and the number which is down for the bride are both on their separate lines though. As well as that, it looks like their is a full stop after both the word and the number.

Thanks to both of you for your replies, second and third opinions are vital for Irish genealogy research.

Cul a cnoic

Hi,
A dedication on a book from Rev James Connolly but who is it to I am having difficulty with. Joseph(?) Dob....

Thanks for looking.

pinkypinky

The rest of the surname looks like -obinson.

montgo

Yes appears to be Dobinson.

I need help with this one.
Here is a rather difficult to decipher baptism record - bottom of right hand page.
March 9, James? of Owen Magrath, Ashfield, farmer? & ???????
Can anyone make out anything else?
Thanks.

tabbey

Cul a cnoic wrote: »

Hi,
A dedication on a book from Rev James Connolly but who is it to I am having difficulty with. Joseph(?) Dob....

Thanks for looking.

Seems to be Dobinson. The "b" and the "s" compare with those in Feby and James.

The surname Dobinson is an English one derived from the Norman D'Aubin.

spurious

montgo wrote: »

Yes appears to be Dobinson.

I need help with this one.
Here is a rather difficult to decipher baptism record - bottom of right hand page.
March 9, James? of Owen Magrath, Ashfield, farmer? & ???????
Can anyone make out anything else?
Thanks.

That's a difficult one. Is it 'Betty Healy' to the right on the last line? Very hard to read.

montgo

Yes, it could be Betty Healy. Many thanks.

montgo

Another transcription query

I'm looking for the 1st name of the Fogarty witness (bottom of right hand page) - After Feb 16 Thomas Johnson & Bridget Fogarty.

If Thomas were non RC, would there have been a note/remark beside the record?

spurious

montgo wrote: »

Another transcription query

I'm looking for the 1st name of the Fogarty witness (bottom of right hand page) - After Feb 16 Thomas Johnson & Bridget Fogarty.

If Thomas were non RC, would there have been a note/remark beside the record?

Looks like Wm. (William) Fogarty to me.
Sometimes there is a note, sometimes checking the same day's baptismal record has an 'Adult Baptism' for the person. It varies.

montgo

Cheers, spurious.

William (Wm) would fit nicely.

I didn't fit an adult baptism for Thomas but a good idea to check nonetheless.

Leeside

On attached Marriage Cert, I'm trying to decipher the occupations of both fathers.
Any guesses?

The groom's occupation is 'paper-stainer' but here I'm having difficulty with his place of residence. (I'm ok with the second place of residence - it's Blackpool)

Any ideas on the words I can't decipher.

Thanks,


http://i.imgur.com/bI3ICPH.jpg

lottpaul

Leeside wrote: »

On attached Marriage Cert, I'm trying to decipher the occupations of both fathers.
Any guesses?

The groom's occupation is 'paper-stainer' but here I'm having difficulty with his place of residence. (I'm ok with the second place of residence - it's Blackpool)

Grooms residence is Brickfields I think

Occupations -- I'd take a stab at Miller/Milliner (less likely) and Farrier

tabbey

lottpaul wrote: »

Grooms residence is Brickfields I think

Occupations -- I'd take a stab at Miller/Milliner (less likely) and Farrier

It certainly looks like Brickfields, but my understanding is that it is off the Skehard Road, not a townland. Perhaps there is another Brickfields in Cork.
I see it is in the Church of Ireland, but what parish, or what local registration district?

I think it is milliner rather than miller.

shanew

tabbey wrote: »

..
I see it is in the Church of Ireland, but what parish, or what local registration district?.

seems to be St. Anne's Shandon - marr. 28 Apr. 1855 John Keeffe & Anne Leonard (extracted civil marriage)

Leeside

I had never heard of Brickfields before lottpaul's suggestion. Well done - it certainly looks correct.

From searching the Irish Examiner archives from the 1840's and 1850's, it seems to have been an area between the Lower Glanmire Road and Penrose Quay.

There was a Boat House - Regattas were held there - and there was also a Baths, known as Brickfields Baths which was located on what was called Strand Road, a little below Hargrave's Quay. All new to me I must admit.

It looks like Milliner alright but having checked the trade directories of the time, every Milliner was female. At least, all the proprietors were Misses. Not one of the very many had a male name. So I don't know if Milliner is correct.

The marriage took place in St Ann's Shandon in the 1850's.

tabbey

shanew wrote: »

seems to be St. Anne's Shandon - marr. 28 Apr. 1855 John Keeffe & Anne Leonard (extracted civil marriage)

So close to Blackpool, the bride's homeplace.

Since last post I discovered that the Lower Glanmire Road area had been reclaimed from slob lands known as the Brickfield Slobs. Perhaps that name stuck with the local population, until the completion of the railway tunnel and construction of the main station on the Lower Glanmire Road changed the area for ever.

Leeside

shanew wrote: »

seems to be St. Anne's Shandon - marr. 28 Apr. 1855 John Keeffe & Anne Leonard (extracted civil marriage)

That's the one alright.

Leeside

tabbey wrote: »

So close to Blackpool, the bride's homeplace.

Since last post I discovered that the Lower Glanmire Road area had been reclaimed from slob lands known as the Brickfield Slobs. Perhaps that name stuck with the local population, until the completion of the railway tunnel and construction of the main station on the Lower Glanmire Road changed the area for ever.

I'm thinking that maybe the bride's father's occupation could be Furrier rather than Farrier. This would mean that the Milliner's son married the Furriers daughter. That just might make sense.

pedroeibar1

I see Milkman and Farrier.

Leeside

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I see Milkman and Farrier.

Thanks for the suggestion. I can see where you're coming from but I don't see the middle 'k' in milkman similar to the 'k' in 'brickfields' or 'blackpool. Maybe it's the romantic in me but I kind of like the idea of the Milliner's son and the Furrier's daughter. A fairly glamorous wedding I'd imagine if that was the case.

spurious

It could have been a military milliner rather than one who dealt in fascinators.
A manly milliner, if you were.
Are there any trades directories might help?

shanew

good free website for Cork City and County directories is : CorkPastandPresent.ie

KildareFan

not so romantic:

one father's occupation looks like currier
"A currier is a specialist in the leather processing industry. After the tanning process, the currier applies techniques of dressing, finishing and colouring to the tanned hide to make it strong, flexible and waterproof."

The other father looks like millhand [someone who works in a mill]

Leeside

Thanks for all the great suggestions. All very thought prevoking - I can't make up my mind which is the more likely.

I can never understand why persons with such bad handwriting were employed to copy the original documents and then to compound it why such bad photocopies were made. :mad:

pedroeibar1

KildareFan wrote: »

not so romantic:

one father's occupation looks like currier
"A currier is a specialist in the leather processing industry. After the tanning process, the currier applies techniques of dressing, finishing and colouring to the tanned hide to make it strong, flexible and waterproof."

The other father looks like millhand [someone who works in a mill]

I'd accept those. It also would be geographically supported as Blackpool and the area across to Shandon was the industrial centre of Cork in the 19th century. Blackpool had many tanneries and mills, and adjoining Fair Lane was a centre for cattle processing.