Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

montgo

I've seen 3 witnesses many times on marriage records, also A.N. other, A.N. other + others:)

oceanclub

KildareFan wrote: »

In presence of....

You'd have to check other marriages to see if the last name John McGrath recurs in which case he is probably the celebrant.

Yup, you're right, he was the priest.

montgo

Hi,
Another deciphering query - on William Davoren's (Davern) death record (4th record from bottom of page), where is he from and what was his occupation?
If the name of his home place begins with P, could be Palmerston. Occupation? Nailor???

spurious

Looks like Palmerston to me and 'Nailor + discharged soldier(?)'

pinkypinky

All I can see is the words you've suggested!

It might be a B not a P though.

pedroeibar1

I’d agree on Palmerston. It does look like ‘Nailor’ and under that ‘discharged xxxxxx (builder?) Cause of death was Cardiac disease, 3 months certified.

montgo

Thanks guys. I'm not sure that this is the William Davern that I'm looking for. Will keep searching.

pedroeibar1

Palmerston is an area in Limerick city. FWIW, Davern is a name I'd immediately associate with Cashel, Co. Tipp.

tabbey

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Palmerston is an area in Limerick city. FWIW, Davern is a name I'd immediately associate with Cashel, Co. Tipp.

Yes, we usually associate Davern with Cashel, because Noel Davern TD was from there, I think his family were the proprietors of the Davern Bar & restaurant in Cashel, popular with people driving from Dublin to Cork as it was midway between the two cities.

The name seemed most common in mid Tipperary and East Limerick, but was also found in Clare and Galway.

tabbey

spurious wrote: »

Looks like Palmerston to me and 'Nailor + discharged soldier(?)'

Definitely Palmerston (place) & Nailor. Discharged soldier could perhaps be discharged sailor.

Leeside

Any suggestion on the cause of death here?

Haemorrhage result of ......... self inflicted whilst insane.

http://i.imgur.com/q1T9Q3R.jpg

montgo

Thanks Tabby & Pedro.
I was looking for parents of James Davern b. 1857 in Kilteely, parents William & Ellen Breen. On parish register, William was recorded as a butcher. I have since found 2 more baptisms/births in Ballylanders to the same named parents. Micheal born 1870, father William a nailor!! So maybe it is him, after all. Tkx again.

mickmackey1

Leeside wrote: »

Any suggestion on the cause of death here?

Haemorrhage result of ......... self inflicted whilst insane.

http://i.imgur.com/q1T9Q3R.jpg

nail in throat, lovely

Leeside

mickmackey1 wrote: »

nail in throat, lovely

Thanks for suggestion. All the letter 'i"s are dotted in the rest of the writing and if you're correct the word 'nail' doesn't have one.

I thought originally it read 'a cut in throat' and that seems unlikely. I don't see the word 'nail' as being correct either though.

BowWow

My take -

Leeside wrote: »

Haemorrhage result of "a cut in throat"......... self inflicted whilst insane.

mickmackey1

Just beat me to it - you're spot on.

Leeside

I'll take it so as reading 'a cut in throat'. Cheers!

montgo

Can someone make out what Kate's profession was on this marriage record -(last record on the page)?

tabbey

montgo wrote: »

Can someone make out what Kate's profession was on this marriage record -(last record on the page)?

Fr daughter = farmer's daughter.

montgo

Cheers, too tired to see it last night! Tkx

VirginiaB

Bravo. I was totally flummoxed on that one.

Boscod

Looking for help to identify the location of the church in this marriage. Many thanks.
John_Doyle_1893.PNG

shanew

Boscod wrote: »

Looking for help to identify the location of the church in this marriage. Many thanks.
John_Doyle_1893.PNG

"St James Church Rawtenstall", which is in Lancashire (Catholic Directory UK & IRL) north of Manchester & Salford and not far from Blackburn and Preston.

shanew

from FreeBMD

Year/Quarter : 1922 / June
Volume : 8e / Page 304
Reg. District : Haslington (Lancs.), which includes Rawtenstall civil parish
names include a John Doyle and Norah Jackson

oceanclub

Would appreciate help on these two:

http://i.imgur.com/0okpDtR.png

http://i.imgur.com/TZYwRme.png

Two records for a John Wixted & Biddy Bradshaw, 4 years apart. I'm guessing that one is possibly my great-great-grandparents, John Wixted & Catherine Bradshaw. Can anyone make out the other text in each?

"Married by ???? John Wixted to Biddy Bradshaw. ??? John Bradshaw Johanna O'Brien ??? Jimmy Keefe"

"Ditto (refers to date) married by Ditto John Wixted to Biddy Bradshaw, in presense of John Wixted, Michael ???? & Tom Ryan"


P.

tabbey

oceanclub wrote: »

Would appreciate help on these two:

http://i.imgur.com/0okpDtR.png

http://i.imgur.com/TZYwRme.png

Two records for a John Wixted & Biddy Bradshaw, 4 years apart. I'm guessing that one is possibly my great-great-grandparents, John Wixted & Catherine Bradshaw. Can anyone make out the other text in each?

"Married by ???? John Wixted to Biddy Bradshaw. ??? John Bradshaw Johanna O'Brien ??? Jimmy Keefe"

"Ditto (refers to date) married by Ditto John Wixted to Biddy Bradshaw, in presense of John Wixted, Michael ???? & Tom Ryan"


P.

writing seems quite clear.

If Biddy died and John then married her sister or cousin Catherine, the priest might have accidentally written the name of the deceased first wife.

Technically it was illegal for a widower to marry the sister of the first wife, but most people would consider this unfair, so may have ignored the statute.

oceanclub

tabbey wrote: »

writing seems quite clear.

If Biddy died and John then married her sister or cousin Catherine, the priest might have accidentally written the name of the deceased first wife.

Technically it was illegal for a widower to marry the sister of the first wife, but most people would consider this unfair, so may have ignored the statute.

Interesting theory! Might see if there are any death records from then (from chattting with a distant cousin discovered from that side of family I don't think so).

P.

montgo

Baptism record for 21 April 1812, bottom half, left side of page.

I just wanted to confirm that Phil & Pat must have been twins. And the Sponsors were Edm'd Rafferty and Cath(erine) C..... Croagh or ?? (Gurtakilleen). I'm guessing that the next line were Pat's sponsors - maybe Carolo (Charles?) Caroll, some letters & Elena Cormack.

thanks for your help.

pinkypinky

I'd concur with all of that.

pedroeibar1

Phil & Pat ex Thoma Realy & Margarita
Treacy Spr Edm Rafferty &
Catha Cloagh (Gurtakilleen)
Carolo Carrol Ellena Cormac

ps the letters are the top of the date from the next line?