Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

Tomtom364 · 30-01-2020 3:34pm

aloooof wrote: »

Just put all the stats from this article together:

| VdF | Stander | Deegan | Doris | JOD | POM
Minutes | | 989 | 889 | 743 | |
Tackle Success | 94% | | 87.3% | 96% | 88.4% | 87.7%
Jackals | 6 | 4 | 0 | 6 | | 8
Lineout Jumps / Won | 1 | 11 | 19 | 16 | | 28
Lineout Steals | | | | | 3 | 10
Linebreaks | 8 | | 12 | 5 | 9 | 1
Carries | | 225 | 130 | 117 | |
Metres/Carry | | 1.8 | | 3.5 | 2.4 | 1.48
Passes | | 55 | 27 | 18 | |
Offloads | | 8 | 2 | 4 | |
Defenders Beaten | | | 24 | 31 | 14 | 6
Try Assists | | |4 | |
Penalties Conceded | | | | | 19 | 11

Alot of it tells us what we already knew, but the surprising one for me was Standers passing and offloading stats.

It's a shame the complete set isn't there; the metrics could then also be converted to "per 80 mins" for an even better comparison.

Nonsense stats.
CJ Stander dosn't know how to pass...

typhoony · 30-01-2020 4:23pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Every half decent 10 or 9 is targeted. They handle the ball the most and direct a teams play so of course the opposition tries to rattle them. It's not just Sexton.

the same degree of targeting is correct for every team, however our 9 and 10 come off the pitch more often than the counterparts on other teams or at least that's the impression I get.

aloooof · 30-01-2020 4:33pm

typhoony wrote: »

the same degree of targeting is correct for every team, however our 9 and 10 come off the pitch more often than the counterparts on other teams or at least that's the impression I get.

This isn't the impression I have for 9, at least; Schmidt was regularly criticised for only giving the backup 9's a cursory 5 minutes at the end.

With regards 10, Sexton came off early against Scotland in last years 6 Nations, but other than that, I'm struggling to think of the next most recent game where he was subbed of early.

yerrahbah · 30-01-2020 5:40pm

aloooof wrote: »

Just put all the stats from this article together:

| VdF | Stander | Deegan | Doris | JOD | POM
Minutes | | 989 | 889 | 743 | |
Tackle Success | 94% | | 87.3% | 96% | 88.4% | 87.7%
Jackals | 6 | 4 | 0 | 6 | | 8
Lineout Jumps / Won | 1 | 11 | 19 | 16 | | 28
Lineout Steals | | | | | 3 | 10
Linebreaks | 8 | | 12 | 5 | 9 | 1
Carries | | 225 | 130 | 117 | |
Metres/Carry | | 1.8 | | 3.5 | 2.4 | 1.48
Passes | | 55 | 27 | 18 | |
Offloads | | 8 | 2 | 4 | |
Defenders Beaten | | | 24 | 31 | 14 | 6
Try Assists | | |4 | |
Penalties Conceded | | | | | 19 | 11

Alot of it tells us what we already knew, but the surprising one for me was Standers passing and offloading stats.

It's a shame the complete set isn't there; the metrics could then also be converted to "per 80 mins" for an even better comparison.

https://twitter.com/threeredkings/status/1104835501046026243

ionadnapokot · 30-01-2020 7:43pm

Fear not lads

D'Arcy has had coffee with Andy.

"I’ve had a coffee with the new Ireland coach. The intensity people speak about is real. He commands respect. The players will trust his initial ideas. Farrell is not a great coach yet. That can only come with results as the number one. But the necessary character traits are evident.

What will make Farrell a success as Ireland head coach is delivering on all the small conversations he has had with players. And empowering them when he says he will. That’s how you get professional athletes to deliver for a team."

Slam is in the bag.

& i forgot. He names his teams early.
So the WC and all is wrapped up.

lawrencesummers · 30-01-2020 7:59pm

Is anybody open to entertaining the idea that Scotland could win?

ionadnapokot · 30-01-2020 8:01pm

Not a chance.
Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
27 v 3 in WC
13 v 22 in 6N

30+ v 7? 10 maybe

lawrencesummers · 30-01-2020 8:07pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Not a chance.
Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
27 v 3 in WC
13 v 22 in 6N

30+ v 7? 10 maybe

No hope whatsoever? Not even if we play terrible and they play well? Not a chance?

sydthebeat · 30-01-2020 8:10pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

No hope whatsoever? Not even if we play terrible and they play well? Not a chance?

scotland are avail;be as long as 7/1 in some outlets

so thats the chance that the bookies are giving them

ionadnapokot · 30-01-2020 8:19pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

No hope whatsoever? Not even if we play terrible and they play well? Not a chance?

Not a chance

Did you not read the other moron in the STimes?
Farrell has named the team early. There is no uncertainty anymore. Players won’t be nervous anymore or on edge.

Ireland will unleash with abandon from here on

30-01-2020 8:27pm

We're gonna win the world cup

prawnsambo · 30-01-2020 8:31pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Not a chance

Did you not read the other moron in the STimes?
Farrell has named the team early. There is no uncertainty anymore. Players won’t be nervous anymore or on edge.

Joe used pick the team on Tuesdays. He just wouldn't release it until Thursday (for Saturday games). That's been well known for ages. And why the selection would inevitably leak.

lawrencesummers · 30-01-2020 8:33pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

scotland are avail;be as long as 7/1 in some outlets

so thats the chance that the bookies are giving them

And what do they think the handicap will come in at?

sydthebeat · 30-01-2020 9:07pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

And what do they think the handicap will come in at?

-13 to Ireland.

Which I think we will cover

Shefwedfan · 30-01-2020 9:16pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Not a chance

Did you not read the other moron in the STimes?
Farrell has named the team early. There is no uncertainty anymore. Players won’t be nervous anymore or on edge.

Ireland will unleash with abandon from here on

Joe names the team on Tuesday and didn’t want it released

Problem was come Wednesday every paper had the team and would announce it anyway, became a bit pointless but he stuck to his guns on it

The only benefit they are saying is players won’t have to hide it but based on the speed the media got the team I don’t think many ever hide it

Shefwedfan · 30-01-2020 9:18pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Not a chance.
Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
27 v 3 in WC
13 v 22 in 6N

30+ v 7? 10 maybe

I haven’t seen such confidence since before the Japan game

I think I seen posts on here about AIL teams beating Japan.....

stephen_n · 30-01-2020 9:27pm

Scotland have only beaten Ireland 3 times in the last 20 years. They have been in far better places than now in that time span. It’s Rugby of course there’s a chance they can win, it’s just a very slim one. The bigger question is what type of performance we put in.

The Rape of Lucretia · 30-01-2020 10:02pm

Former Former wrote: »

He cited O'Brien and Leamy as the sort of guys that he played with who had the mean streak that he thinks is lacking. I think he's right to be honest.

Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

awec · 30-01-2020 10:10pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

Profound. Empowering.

Thank you.

typhoony · 30-01-2020 10:20pm

Former Former wrote: »

He didn't really though. He was more talking about the lack of a really physical hard edge in the pack, about not taking a backward step more than going out trying to be dirty.

He cited O'Brien and Leamy as the sort of guys that he played with who had the mean streak that he thinks is lacking. I think he's right to be honest.

But the game has changed in the last 10 years, he gave the current South African team as an example, I think it's more their size and power that's makes them intimidating not the dog mentality. the dogs get fined these days.

Hands Like Flippers · 30-01-2020 11:06pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

#stunningandbrave

lawrencesummers · 30-01-2020 11:30pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

Naw, it’s about results.

lawrencesummers · 30-01-2020 11:33pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

-13 to Ireland.

Which I think we will cover

Early sexton injury, Murray plays poorly, debutant at 8 gets put under pressure, bungee gets another card, line out malfunctions.

One or a combination of the above and Scotland playing like it’s the second half against England all over again.

Plenty of overconfidence here for a side whose last outing was a complete pasting.

sydthebeat · 30-01-2020 11:35pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Early sexton injury, Murray plays poorly, debutant at 8 gets put under pressure, bungee gets another card, line out malfunctions.

One or a combination of the above and Scotland playing like it’s the second half against England all over again.

Plenty of overconfidence here for a side whose last outing was a complete pasting.

Last time these sides met Ireland won by 24 points.
Ireland are at home. Scotland are without their best player and talisman at 10.

I think the bookies have it about right, and as I said, I think we will cover it

Squidgy Black · 30-01-2020 11:40pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Early sexton injury, Murray plays poorly, debutant at 8 gets put under pressure, bungee gets another card, line out malfunctions.

One or a combination of the above and Scotland playing like it’s the second half against England all over again.

Plenty of overconfidence here for a side whose last outing was a complete pasting.

What's the point of having such a miserable outlook?

Scotland have also lost their outhalf who has played a massive part in any win against a tier 1 nation they've played (including being the main player in that second half against England you reference). And their star winger who scored two of the tries in that second half. We also pasted them in the world cup. And they lost to Japan too, as well as winning a single game last six nations.

Sure our team could get completely wiped out by the coronavirus tonight. No point in being positive about a new coach and a different lineup!

prawnsambo · 30-01-2020 11:48pm

I'm just fascinated as to where the bungee comes into it. And how it gets a yellow card.

Zzippy · 30-01-2020 11:48pm

Former Former wrote: »

He cited O'Brien and Leamy as the sort of guys that he played with who had the mean streak that he thinks is lacking. I think he's right to be honest.

Nah, Leamy wasn't a patch on O'Brien. I mean, sure, he was pretty hard, but would be p!ss on a guy cos he couldn't be arsed to walk to the jacks?? I rest my case...

31-01-2020 12:27am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Early sexton injury, Murray plays poorly, debutant at 8 gets put under pressure, bungee gets another card, line out malfunctions.

One or a combination of the above and Scotland playing like it’s the second half against England all over again.

Plenty of overconfidence here for a side whose last outing was a complete pasting.

All of that adds up to a 7-1 shot

Former Former · 31-01-2020 12:49am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Early sexton injury, Murray plays poorly, debutant at 8 gets put under pressure, bungee gets another card, line out malfunctions.

One or a combination of the above and Scotland playing like it’s the second half against England all over again.

Plenty of overconfidence here for a side whose last outing was a complete pasting.

Do you think we will lose?

No, didn't think so.

lawrencesummers · 31-01-2020 12:54am

Former Former wrote: »

Do you think we will lose?

No, didn't think so.

I don’t think scotland will win, but I don’t share the confidence of others. We have a new coach which means a new approach, that can go two ways, it can give a boost and it can mean a new approach that takes time.

Scotland will want redemption and revenge from japan, and when a team is hurt they are dangerous.

We have some serious weaknesses in our team that people don’t tend to acknowledge, if the come to the fore it could be an upset.

lawrencesummers · 31-01-2020 12:56am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

What's the point of having such a miserable outlook?

Scotland have also lost their outhalf who has played a massive part in any win against a tier 1 nation they've played (including being the main player in that second half against England you reference). And their star winger who scored two of the tries in that second half. We also pasted them in the world cup. And they lost to Japan too, as well as winning a single game last six nations.

Sure our team could get completely wiped out by the coronavirus tonight. No point in being positive about a new coach and a different lineup!

It’s nothing to do with miserable, as thinking a team will win has nothing to do with being positive, I just look at a game from the point of view of how we could win it, and how we could lose it, and I can see reasons that either could happen.

lawrencesummers · 31-01-2020 12:58am

Zzippy wrote: »

Nah, Leamy wasn't a patch on O'Brien. I mean, sure, he was pretty hard, but would be p!ss on a guy cos he couldn't be arsed to walk to the jacks?? I rest my case...

Leamy was around before everything got recorded on people’s phones.
It would surprise you some of the things that happened.

sydthebeat · 31-01-2020 1:00am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s nothing to do with miserable, as thinking a team will win has nothing to do with being positive, I just look at a game from the point of view of how we could win it, and how we could lose it, and I can see reasons that either could happen.

OK.

Nail your colours.

What do you think the result will be.... And don't go into a long line of "ifs"

Personally I fancy us by 15

Some Yoke · 31-01-2020 1:07am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I don’t think scotland will win, but I don’t share the confidence of others. We have a new coach which means a new approach, that can go two ways, it can give a boost and it can mean a new approach that takes time.

Scotland will want redemption and revenge from japan, and when a team is hurt they are dangerous.

We have some serious weaknesses in our team that people don’t tend to acknowledge, if the come to the fore it could be an upset.

Revenge against us? Their worst enemy in the World Cup was themselves

aloooof · 31-01-2020 1:20am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I don’t think scotland will win, but I don’t share the confidence of others. We have a new coach which means a new approach, that can go two ways, it can give a boost and it can mean a new approach that takes time.

Scotland will want redemption and revenge from japan, and when a team is hurt they are dangerous.

We have some serious weaknesses in our team that people don’t tend to acknowledge, if the come to the fore it could be an upset.

What do you think are our serious weaknesses? Whatever they are, I would wager you could pick far bigger weaknesses in that Scotland side.

Personally think our pack is far superior to theirs, and that should be enough to see us win relatively comfortably.

ionadnapokot · 31-01-2020 3:04am

Sexton with the epic skin fade
https://www.sportsfile.com/id/1875406/

Definitely no grey hairs Johnny

lawrencesummers · 31-01-2020 4:43am

aloooof wrote: »

What do you think are our serious weaknesses? Whatever they are, I would wager you could pick far bigger weaknesses in that Scotland side.

Personally think our pack is far superior to theirs, and that should be enough to see us win relatively comfortably.

It sure does look like Scotland have bigger weaknesses than we do, their scrum is poor, they have tended to kick way to much, and they don’t get their back 3 into the game, it looks like an easy win for Ireland but things don’t always work out that way.

We have the potential for problems that could be weaknesses, areas of our game that need to go well, new lineout that hasn’t played together ever, I’ve never been impressed with herrings throwing, a 9 who isnt playing consistent, 10 just back from injury and a backup 10 with no 6 nations experience, 12 who tackles illegally, a new coach so maybe a new approach to the game, a debutant in a key position at 8. On the day Scotland might not be able to put enough pressure to make any of these weaknesses turn the game but they have the potential to.

Overall I think Ireland will win, but it’s not going to be plain sailing, or one way traffic. I would say a game Where we won’t win both halves and the result isnt decided For definite until the last 10 minutes.

Podge_irl · 31-01-2020 9:03am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Scotland will want redemption and revenge from japan, and when a team is hurt they are dangerous.

Scotland have wanted redemption for about a decade at this point. It's not doing them much good.

sydthebeat · 31-01-2020 9:06am

Podge_irl wrote: »

Scotland have wanted redemption for about a decade at this point. It's not doing them much good.

And it's not as if we came out of Japan smelling of roses.

There is a huge demand in that Irish camp to exercise the demons of RWC 2019, and scotland are firmly in the cross hairs.

stephen_n · 31-01-2020 9:51am

Ireland certainly had weaknesses last year, but Scotland’s pack doesn’t have what it takes to exploit them.

evil_seed · 31-01-2020 10:06am

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Sexton with the epic skin fade
https://www.sportsfile.com/id/1875406/

Definitely no grey hairs Johnny

Looks like a young Andy Farrell

irelandrover · 31-01-2020 10:07am

So Ireland coming off a bad world cup is a weakness but its a strength for Scotland.
That makes perfect sense.

Former Former · 31-01-2020 10:51am

irelandrover wrote: »

So Ireland coming off a bad world cup is a weakness but its a strength for Scotland.
That makes perfect sense.

There's nothing more dangerous than a wounded mosquito...

Look, Scotland might win on Saturday, but that applies to every game ever.

We have better players, and said players are now emerging from Joe's basement of conservatism, squinting in the daylight of Farrell's fast and loose approach, ready to breathe the free air of Catt's attacking abandon.

It's just odd that the same posters who are so sure that it was Joe who derailed us in 2019 are the ones who now can't fathom the possibility that things might be different without him.

Yeah_Right · 31-01-2020 1:50pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

We have the potential for problems that could be weaknesses, areas of our game that need to go well, new lineout that hasn’t played together ever, I’ve never been impressed with herrings throwing, a 9 who isnt playing consistent, 10 just back from injury and a backup 10 with no 6 nations experience, 12 who tackles illegally, a new coach so maybe a new approach to the game, a debutant in a key position at 8. On the day Scotland might not be able to put enough pressure to make any of these weaknesses turn the game but they have the potential to.

Some valid concerns there. Question on Bundee's tackling technique, is it actually an issue? I know he got carded against Samoa but that was pretty unlucky. Has he been carded or penalised a lot for illegal tackles? I honestly don't know.

Also you forgot to add the lack of impact from the bench covering the backrow. An early injury there and Ireland are down to 14 men.

molloyjh · 31-01-2020 2:24pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Some valid concerns there. Question on Bundee's tackling technique, is it actually an issue? I know he got carded against Samoa but that was pretty unlucky. Has he been carded or penalised a lot for illegal tackles? I honestly don't know.

Also you forgot to add the lack of impact from the bench covering the backrow. An early injury there and Ireland are down to 14 men.

We could end up having to use our entire bench in the first half due to injuries, and then lose some of those to injury too, ending up with us finishing with 10 men on the park. Theres just so much room for failure. Failure. FAILURE!

Or more than likely we'll win reasonably comfortably playing reasonably well without really departing a massive amount from previous years and we'll go around this merry go round all over again next week.

Burkie1203 · 31-01-2020 2:51pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It sure does look like Scotland have bigger weaknesses than we do, their scrum is poor, they have tended to kick way to much, and they don’t get their back 3 into the game, it looks like an easy win for Ireland but things don’t always work out that way.

We have the potential for problems that could be weaknesses, areas of our game that need to go well, new lineout that hasn’t played together ever, I’ve never been impressed with herrings throwing, a 9 who isnt playing consistent, 10 just back from injury and a backup 10 with no 6 nations experience, 12 who tackles illegally, a new coach so maybe a new approach to the game, a debutant in a key position at 8. On the day Scotland might not be able to put enough pressure to make any of these weaknesses turn the game but they have the potential to.

Overall I think Ireland will win, but it’s not going to be plain sailing, or one way traffic. I would say a game Where we won’t win both halves and the result isnt decided For definite until the last 10 minutes.

Scotland pack is weak IMO. Ireland to dominate up front with more genuine ball carriers meaning teams can no longer target Stander.

Ireland by 20
Doris to be MOTM.
Cooney to come on around the 55-60 mark and score
Adam Hastings to have nightmares all next week about a red scrum cap

Bazzo · 31-01-2020 3:04pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Some valid concerns there. Question on Bundee's tackling technique, is it actually an issue? I know he got carded against Samoa but that was pretty unlucky. Has he been carded or penalised a lot for illegal tackles? I honestly don't know.

Also you forgot to add the lack of impact from the bench covering the backrow. An early injury there and Ireland are down to 14 men.

No, other than that card I can recall 1 other card for him in 6 years playing for Connacht.

lawrencesummers · 31-01-2020 3:04pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Some valid concerns there. Question on Bundee's tackling technique, is it actually an issue? I know he got carded against Samoa but that was pretty unlucky. Has he been carded or penalised a lot for illegal tackles? I honestly don't know.

Also you forgot to add the lack of impact from the bench covering the backrow. An early injury there and Ireland are down to 14 men.

No it’s not really much of an issue, the lack of intent and split second nature in the World Cup should have been mitigating factors. Bundee just likes to hit hard and nothing wrong with that!

aloooof · 31-01-2020 3:09pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

12 who tackles illegally

lawrencesummers wrote: »

No it’s not really much of an issue, the lack of intent and split second nature in the World Cup should have been mitigating factors. Bundee just likes to hit hard and nothing wrong with that!

So he doesn't tackle illegally? That was easy, at least.

lawrencesummers · 31-01-2020 3:32pm

aloooof wrote: »

So he doesn't tackle illegally? That was easy, at least.

I never said that.

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