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Timmaay · 07-01-2014 5:31pm

jersey101 wrote: »

I thought fasinex did worms as well?

No just fluke, but all types of fluke. I was at a talk with the glanbia vet while ago, if i remember correctly he said almost zero stomach fluke this yr, and that if you have it you will know all about it (cows will be seriously back in every way), mostly liverfluke, and either go in with the endofluke and a wormer, or a fluke and worm then fluke afew weeks later to catch the immature fluke that survived the 1st dose.

jersey101 · 07-01-2014 5:47pm

Timmaay wrote: »

No just fluke, but all types of fluke. I was at a talk with the glanbia vet while ago, if i remember correctly he said almost zero stomach fluke this yr, and that if you have it you will know all about it (cows will be seriously back in every way), mostly liverfluke, and either go in with the endofluke and a wormer, or a fluke and worm then fluke afew weeks later to catch the immature fluke that survived the 1st dose.

How did I miss that. No matter any way. There getting albex at calving

Pacoa · 07-01-2014 6:18pm

Bank it.

93k would buy about 200 outdoor cubicles and if they saved half the woodchip, or about 4000euro, that would be a return of about 4.5%
A far better return than leaving it on deposit in a bank.

sea12 · 07-01-2014 6:25pm

Pacoa wrote: »

93k would buy about 200 outdoor cubicles and if they saved half the woodchip, or about 4000euro, that would be a return of about 4.5%
A far better return than leaving it on deposit in a bank.

But they want to show it as a low cost and it being profitable. Although the 4k is a big cost it is relatively small per year. Spending. 93k would be a huge purchase. Arnt they meant to paid off all the loans on 15 yrs ?

Dont be daft · 07-01-2014 6:32pm

jersey101 wrote: »

How did I miss that. No matter any way. There getting albex at calving

Fasinex Combinex does fluke and worms. But I don't think its for milking cows.

bob charles · 07-01-2014 6:40pm

lads what is the cost of the woodchip for the pad in the accounts?

Another member was saying it was now costing a 1000 a load, thats only 4 loads to do 300 cows. Maybe im missing something but when I had pads for about 80 beef cattle I was using 2 to 3 loads a winter if I remember correctly, and the greenfield pad looks massive on the video

Brown Podzol · 07-01-2014 7:22pm

bob charles wrote: »

lads what is the cost of the woodchip for the pad in the accounts?

Another member was saying it was now costing a 1000 a load, thats only 4 loads to do 300 cows. Maybe im missing something but when I had pads for about 80 beef cattle I was using 2 to 3 loads a winter if I remember correctly, and the greenfield pad looks massive on the video

€14,274 in 2011. Seems to be the most up to date accounts available.

bob charles · 07-01-2014 7:29pm

Brown Podzol wrote: »

€14,274 in 2011. Seems to be the most up to date accounts available.

so it could be up around 16k - 18k now :eek:

Brown Podzol · 07-01-2014 7:38pm

I did the maths in 07, can't remember the exact figures now, but the cost of running a pad v servicing the capital cost and running of covered cubicles scraping into a lagoon came together after c.14 years. Would be a lot less now with the increased cost of wood chip.

delaval · 07-01-2014 7:39pm

bob charles wrote: »

so it could be up around 16k - 18k now :eek:

12k sticks in my head for this year, not 100% though

bob charles · 07-01-2014 7:41pm

delaval wrote: »

12k sticks in my head for this year, not 100% though

you reckon about 14/15 (100cub)loads? 1500cubs for 300 cows would sound right. Some amount of dosh for waste wood.

Farmer Pudsey · 07-01-2014 8:25pm

bob charles wrote: »

you reckon about 14/15 (100cub)loads? 1500cubs for 300 cows would sound right. Some amount of dosh for waste wood.

This is the issue with looking at present day costs only. I looked at a pad/lagoon 6-8 years ago. Land value alone was 3-4K extra. After that I looked at cost of woodchip and reckoned that it would increase in cost to where it would be uneconomic to use. It like farmers thinking about straw bedded sheds at present. Straw I think will increase in price for a few reasons. First tillage farmers will have to look at humas content of soil, straw burners will also give it an increased value. If straw costs 18/bale in KK and WX in 5 years time what will it cost in Galway.

It the same with OC's try to project what will happen and what will the final cost be. TBH a dog with a mallet you know where could see what was going to happen with Woodchip 4-5 years ago.

Deepsouthwest · 07-01-2014 11:15pm

jersey101 wrote: »

How did I miss that. No matter any way. There getting albex at calving

Wouldn't wait until calving before getting albex, u could be missing out on a month or more of thrive in any cows with a worm burden

jersey101 · 07-01-2014 11:20pm

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Wouldn't wait until calving before getting albex, u could be missing out on a month or more of thrive in any cows with a worm burden

I have all the heifers done for the last 3 weeks but the cows are in good condition. They got eprinex in august so they might not have too much in them

delaval · 07-01-2014 11:22pm

We go with Albex at drying along with lice treatment

Deepsouthwest · 07-01-2014 11:28pm

jersey101 wrote: »

I have all the heifers done for the last 3 weeks but the cows are in good condition. They got eprinex in august so they might not have too much in them

Ok, maybe you're sort of covered. But you may as well give it now as waiting any longer, it'll be the same cost. Also calving is a stressful enough time for cows without giving them something else to have to deal with.

jersey101 · 07-01-2014 11:30pm

Savage fluke problem here. Was at 500 on the bulk tank test last year. 200 this year. Hoping to get rid of it totally this year. Will probably use zanil next year at drying as I suspect a few cows of rumen fluke

just do it · 07-01-2014 11:45pm

delaval wrote: »

We go with Albex at drying along with lice treatment

What lice treatment?

delaval · 07-01-2014 11:58pm

just do it wrote: »

What lice treatment?

Spot on

Deepsouthwest · 08-01-2014 12:04am

jersey101 wrote: »

Savage fluke problem here. Was at 500 on the bulk tank test last year. 200 this year. Hoping to get rid of it totally this year. Will probably use zanil next year at drying as I suspect a few cows of rumen fluke

Would go with zanil immediately while they're dry. Why wait a whole yr if it may be problem now. If u find out mid lactation that it's an issue and u have use zanil then, u'll have to dump the milk for 3 days. Had to double dose here with zanil a few yrs ago (at drying off and mid jan) as did other guys in my group before we got a handle on rumen fluke. Gonna stop going on about dosing cows in this thread now as it has nothing to do Grenfields!!!

biddy2013 · 08-01-2014 10:19am

delaval wrote: »

We go with Albex at drying along with lice treatment

and then zanil at calving;)

Deepsouthwest · 08-01-2014 10:37am

biddy2013 wrote: »

and then zanil at calving;)

Zanil at calving is definitely not a good idea. Zanil actually sickens and scours a lot of cows after getting it. Coupling this with the most stressful day of the cows year makes no sense. If using zanil, do it immediately, cows are probably housed long enough at this stage, so why wait

biddy2013 · 08-01-2014 10:46am

Each to their own. I am doing this under veterinary advice

Farmer Pudsey · 08-01-2014 10:46am

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Zanil at calving is definitely not a good idea. Zanil actually sickens and scours a lot of cows after getting it. Coupling this with the most stressful day of the cows year makes no sense. If using zanil, do it immediately, cows are probably housed long enough at this stage, so why wait

I was at a meeting last November and a Vet was talking about this of animals being sick after Zanil/Levatas diamond. What he said was that it was animals that had Stomach Fluke that suffered most after dosing. Not sure of the lenght of time involved but these products only kill adult Stomach fluke and that they take about 10 weeks from egg-mature. However it may still pay to dose now as you take the top off the fluke and dose again after calving if this Vet is right then dosing twice may not be as severe. Did any body else come accross this theory.

Timmaay · 08-01-2014 10:47am

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Zanil at calving is definitely not a good idea. Zanil actually sickens and scours a lot of cows after getting it. Coupling this with the most stressful day of the cows year makes no sense. If using zanil, do it immediately, cows are probably housed long enough at this stage, so why wait

Agreed fully, I've heard of farmers giving a cow with bad fluke 140ml of zanil, above the max recommended 110ml,definitely not good enough in the context of above. Consider zanil to be a strong laxative for an animal!

biddy2013 · 08-01-2014 10:49am

Timmaay wrote: »

Agreed fully, I've heard of farmers giving a cow with bad fluke 140ml of zanil, above the max recommended 110ml,definitely not good enough in the context of above. Consider zanil to be a strong laxative for an animal!

Yes. 110 no is the dose. Why people feel the need to overdose I will never understand

Deepsouthwest · 08-01-2014 10:52am

biddy2013 wrote: »

Each to their own. I am doing this under veterinary advice

Vets can get it wrong too sometimes!

biddy2013 · 08-01-2014 10:59am

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Vets can get it wrong too sometimes!

So can I . But in fairness would be better to dose them than not at all

Deepsouthwest · 08-01-2014 11:07am

Timmaay wrote: »

Agreed fully, I've heard of farmers giving a cow with bad fluke 140ml of zanil, above the max recommended 110ml,definitely not good enough in the context of above. Consider zanil to be a strong laxative for an animal!

+1 on that. Would u give a woman a strong laxative on the day she's giving birth, I think not!

Deepsouthwest · 08-01-2014 11:11am

biddy2013 wrote: »

So can I . But in fairness would be better to dose them than not at all

Absolutely, all I'm saying is don't wait until the day the cow calves. If i have a rumen fluke problem, then today before tomorrow is the best time to try and solve it.

biddy2013 · 08-01-2014 11:16am

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

+1 on that. Would u give a woman a strong laxative on the day she's giving birth, I think not!

They used to. My mother has often told us they cleared her out before we where born

moy83 · 08-01-2014 11:20am

biddy2013 wrote: »

They used to. My mother has often told us they cleared her out before we where born

Probably no harm , I believe a brown trout can be pushed out along with the baby sometimes !

Injuryprone · 08-01-2014 11:58am

biddy2013 wrote: »

Each to their own. I am doing this under veterinary advice

I got veterinary advice the exact same as what deepsouthwest said. Was told to do them 8 days before calving.

But I think the advice this year is to only use Zanil if you're after testing positive for rumen fluke. It's the only treatment you're allowed for it and you don't want to be building up a resistance.

biddy2013 · 08-01-2014 12:02pm

i do them when i take them out of dry cow shed, could be a week before calving or a couple of days after calving when they are done, the important thing is that if the dose is needed it is done- peace out:o

delaval · 08-01-2014 2:33pm

Do any if ye take dung samples to see what ye need to dose for!

Deepsouthwest · 08-01-2014 3:30pm

delaval wrote: »

Do any if ye take dung samples to see what ye need to dose for!

Yeah, and doing the munster herd health programme as well, which takes 3 milk samples during the yr and analyses for nearly everything. Some people will argue that dung or milk samples aren't definitive either, so I don't know!

Brown Podzol · 08-01-2014 7:00pm

delaval wrote: »

Do any if ye take dung samples to see what ye need to dose for!

Ya. Fluke and rumen fluke. None of either showed up. Dosed for fluke anyway on vet advice.

jersey101 · 08-01-2014 7:53pm

Just going by milk results for this year because its coming back so high in it. Will do dung samples next year. Hard to get fluke out of autumn calvers though

milkprofit · 08-01-2014 7:58pm

jersey101 wrote: »

Just going by milk results for this year because its coming back so high in it. Will do dung samples next year. Hard to get fluke out of autumn calvers though

u can not test milk for rummen fluke

mahoney_j · 08-01-2014 8:08pm

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Ya. Fluke and rumen fluke. None of either showed up. Dosed for fluke anyway on vet advice.

Why dose if no eggs.bet the vet sold up fasinex too instead of endofluke

Brown Podzol · 08-01-2014 8:28pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Why dose if no eggs.bet the vet sold up fasinex too instead of endofluke

Nope, endofluke, already had it bought from him.

jersey101 · 08-01-2014 8:41pm

milkprofit wrote: »

u can not test milk for rummen fluke

Yes I know that. But I haven't been home full time till this year and I'm not on the ball yet. I should have gotten dung samples done. Ill get rid of the fluke burden this year hopefully. Cows I have dosed twice for fluke this year are still falling behind so I suspect rumen

Greengrass1 · 10-02-2014 10:04pm

http://www.greenfielddairy.ie/node/130

mahoney_j · 10-02-2014 10:23pm

Hmm cows out full time for last week and only 3 kg of meal and I'd say a mouthful of whole crop on the extreme wet days .hope to god no one is following that advice as cows would melt away .all for getting cows out to grass but to me that diet is lacking in energy big time and cows must be loosing condition which is not what u want after calving.

Greengrass1 · 10-02-2014 11:19pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Hmm cows out full time for last week and only 3 kg of meal and I'd say a mouthful of whole crop on the extreme wet days .hope to god no one is following that advice as cows would melt away .all for getting cows out to grass but to me that diet is lacking in energy big time and cows must be loosing condition which is not what u want after calving.

Mine are on 4 kg and grass but there is silage there if they need it. But there not overly hungry

mahoney_j · 10-02-2014 11:28pm

5 kg base here plus grass and high dmd wraps fed to appetite here.to be honest in current weather conditions they need every bit of it.had a look at parlour report and I've some cows doing over 30 Ltrs and heifers hitting 26 Ltrs and not calving 2 weeks.

Greengrass1 · 10-02-2014 11:33pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

5 kg base here plus grass and high dmd wraps fed to appetite here.to be honest in current weather conditions they need every bit of it.had a look at parlour report and I've some cows doing over 30 Ltrs and heifers hitting 26 Ltrs and not calving 2 weeks.[/quot

18 here last I checked. Was due milk recording start of month but have heard nothing at all

Was talking to a friend down in thurlas today milking near 100 cows. Start of calving was due 2nd Feb only 2 so far and rest very slow coming

just do it · 10-02-2014 11:44pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Was talking to a friend down in thurlas today milking near 100 cows. Start of calving was due 2nd Feb only 2 so far and rest very slow coming

Sure the cows know he's going to turn them out once they're milking so they're waiting till the weather improves

mf240 · 10-02-2014 11:56pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Hmm cows out full time for last week and only 3 kg of meal and I'd say a mouthful of whole crop on the extreme wet days .hope to god no one is following that advice as cows would melt away .all for getting cows out to grass but to me that diet is lacking in energy big time and cows must be loosing condition which is not what u want after calving.

And what about the small heifer, shy eater, lame cow that doesn't even get her share of whole crop.

bob charles · 11-02-2014 12:15am

Young calves heifers put out fulltime at the moment only getting 3kgs of meal and probably getting knock around by the bullies when a bit of wholecrop is offered before milking. If the weather keeps up as it is, these methods will make interesting reading.

At the moment the heifer might as well eat her 3 kgs of meal and go stand by the water trough as she would conserve more energy than being outside trying to eat enough. the energy deficit must be huge :eek:

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