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Winter 2018/2019 - General Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    MidMan25 wrote: »
    A lot of the forecasts are not just for fun and people / companies do make decisions based off them. It seems quite irresponsible for agencies like the Met Office to put out mid / long term forecast with absolutely pathetic accuracy records.

    Why do people and companies make decisions off them? Is common sense really and truly gone out the window?

    Especially in terms of a company, can they afford to have such ignorance to believe that, without any research, they can simply rely on a forecast, which even the dogs on the street know is no more than an educated guess?

    Realistically, if a company suffers due to that forecast being inaccurate, their loss is at their own peril and blaim lies with them for being negligent in their research. No sympathy should be afforded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,585 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Probably time for a post-mortem on this non-winter (almost).

    Forecasts almost universally called for some serious cold and snow and tended to suggest January as the time for it, some were more into a late January first half of February winter core. So it wasn't just me. :)

    Looking at my own particular take on it, the entire winter turned out about 3 degrees milder start to finish, the variations were about what was expected but when I said cold, it was just around average (in mid to late January), running a bit colder than normal in parts of Britain then, and when the forecast suggested average or mild it was very mild (for example about now, also early to mid December).

    Meanwhile, some seriously cold and snowy intervals did materialize a bit further east into Germany, Poland and parts of central Europe into the Alps. This would tell you that the predicted patterns were further east than expected. There wasn't much blocking to be found, just rather stationary ridge-trough setups that never quite delivered the goods even when there was a bit of an opening in late January (some 10-15 day prog charts were wonderful so that tells you the atmosphere was within one turn of the dial from delivering, but it didn't and there's no denying that fact).

    Across North America, the patterns expected were somewhat closer to the mark. Severe cold continued to sit over north central Canada almost all winter and sometimes made forays south, Chicago had one of its coldest four day periods on record at the end of January. What was probably largely unexpected was that the arctic air made a retrograde move into western Canada and then south into the western USA, a pattern which shows no signs of abating. This has not been your typical El Nino winter although the first half of it was largely similar to expectations here. The pattern change took place on Groundhog Day, and we have been below normal here ever since.

    Did the SSW event screw things up? I don't accept that sort of reasoning because any working LRF system must be able to anticipate such events and therefore must incorporate them into the outlook. To treat them as external to the challenge is defeating the whole purpose of making a long-range forecast. If anything, the SSW event should have pushed the cold winter forecasts over the finish line around mid-January, and hundreds of pages of model discussion later, this turned into an epic fail. Whatever the SSW event actually did, it failed to produce high latitude blocking highs or retrogression over Europe and Asia at least. So it may as well not have happened at all from the point of view of most forecasters.

    Can anything be learned from all this? I've been reading no end of commentary on other long range forecast threads (both sides of the Atlantic) where people say "next time I will blah blah" but in my case, the challenge never really changes, I just have to keep plugging away at a method that has had some degree of success longer term and see if it's possible to improve the performance by discovering new elements to add to the index value set that I use. This gets so complicated that I don't expect there to be sudden flashes of inspiration followed by marked improvements. The next seasonal forecast I derive from the techniques may be back to a reasonably good outcome without doing anything, but I am always thinking about new lines of investigation that would justify adding new material to the method.

    Without even running the model I would say that winter may not be over in the meteorological sense. There's probably a final twist to the tale lurking when the circulation flattens out this western North American ridge-trough combination. I have the feeling that there will be a snowstorm at some point in March or maybe even April this year, nature will not be happy with moving April to February but could retaliate by moving February to April.


  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭idle


    Very windy in the SW all day. Gusting now similar to days when warnings were issued over the last few weeks


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Wind is starting to build here now in cork city. Some gusts are really rattling the house.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    So far it's been a very meh HP for Waterford, some watery sun this afternoon and tomorrow but fronts to mess the weekend, maybe we'll finally get something decent Monday/Tuesay


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Breezy night in Galway. I note Kerry is on a yellow warning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Thepillowman


    Blowing a storm here in East Clare


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Windy night now here. Temperatures rising. 11c


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    Ballygar co galway 22/02/19 7.23 temperature 12°C
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


    The sky over to the east and se this morning is akin to a warm sultry thundery morning in July.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Still dull and raining in cork city..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Dark mild and misty here in Castlebar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Current 'IMT' value for Feb now on 7.2c, or nearly 2.0c above normal for this part of the month. In terms of warmth, this winter is now the 2nd warmest since 1989, and already, we have surpassed that winter's overall minima. However, still about 0.5c behind on its maxima. Thought we may not beat '89, but given that daily max temps up to the end of Feb are likely to reach into the low teens, it now looks like the winter of 2018/2019 could end up the warmest in many decades nationally speaking. We'll see anyways.

    New Moon



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    Current 'IMT' value for Feb now on 7.2c, or nearly 2.0c above normal for this part of the month. In terms of warmth, this winter is now the 2nd warmest since 1989, and already, we have surpassed that winter's overall minima. However, still about 0.5c behind on its maxima. Thought we may not beat '89, but given that daily max temps up to the end of Feb are likely to reach into the low teens, it now looks like the winter of 2018/2019 could end up the warmest in many decades nationally speaking. We'll see anyways.

    For me this is a record breaking winter, without even looking at any data or charts I can tell this is the mildest/warmest Winter since I was born. Even the very mild winters of 1989, the mid 90s, the early to mid 2000's, 2011, 2012 etc all had at least a dusting of snow in my area and probably a few extra nights worth of frost.

    I was talking to the coal man who delivers my coal, he said his business has been hit really hard this Winter due to the mild conditions. He said he's never felt a winter this mild either, and many people are going through far less orders for coal and logs compared to any other winter, his business is way down on even the 2011 and 2012 levels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,904 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Snow in Tuscon, Arizona, United States. Northern Arizona got a lot of snow. Not unusual. Southern Arizona and the lower elevations this is very unusual.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Lovely afternoon though the wind is a bit keen at times (warmer inland I noticed when in South Kilkenny earlier)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Blustery evening in the west. Nice and dry though.

    6pm
    Newport Mayo gusting 40 knots
    Mace head gusting 35 knots
    Knock gusting 35 knots.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    21 stations had their February high temperature records broken today in the north of England.

    https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1099004144210399232

    The far south of the UK has done poorly so far with temperatures struggling to hit 10C.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Fairly wild here near Tralee this evening gusting over 70 kph from the S and very mild at 14.7C which is the highest temp of the day for here , some temperature for February at this hour of the night.

    Edit at 20.53 : Getting windier , 10 min avg 40 kph and now 15.1C !


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Ireland on track for possibly the highest temperatures on Monday and the peak of the Winter heat.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭200motels


    What a horrible winter, possible the most boring winter ever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    It was great - in that we didn't have one :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭acequion


    Arrived back this evening into a cloudy, windy Kerry from a balmy, sunny London.

    But I got all my outfits spot on :pac:

    The first few days, Mon-Wed over there had temps of 10-12C which without Kerry's sweaty humidity,was really lovely and comfortable. It started to heat up in London on Thursday [yest] but I was grand with it as it was mainly cloudy. Today it started to get too warm for me for a February break. It was really sunny and I'd say temps were up to 15 or 16C. Everyone was out gardening in the village I was staying in. Some would love that but I was delighted to have more normal temps earlier in the week as we were doing loads of walking and outdoor sightseeing.

    Great to get away from Kerry's constant damp for a few days but nice to be back now.:)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    upper air temperatures for this Monday, really shows the plume of warm air from Morocco to Ireland, I think it's possible a few places may reach 18C on Monday if properly sunny and sheltered.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Yeah ECM usually shows lower temperatures than the GFS and in general can under forecast temperatures slightly I reckon but this time showing higher for Mon , currently showing widespread 14C to 16C away from Southern coasts and some 17C locally in the Northern half of the country in the afternoon .

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Was out checking the place with a torch a few moments ago , so many noises from the strong Southerly wind tonight, and there is like a light foggy/ hazy air or maybe dust or both perhaps. Checking the Satellite pics for today and looking at the Saharan dust prediction charts wondering could we have a light coating tomorrow perhaps from that long Southerly fetch. ECM not show much dust for tonight but showing a fair amount for Monday.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    sure is some wind blowing out,thought my bike was going to blow over,as the moon was rising tonight it defiantly had a beautiful orange glow.
    was thinking Sahara dust myself,like a moon rise in central Europe in summer.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Powerful Jet coming out of the US today helping the formation of a very intense Low which is giving the Azores high level warnings this weekend. The HP over Europe helping to deflect it out into the Atlantic. Another LP on Sun into Mon staying well out in the Atlantic helping to steer up those warm airs on Mon.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭MidMan25


    Another putrid grey and wet morning in Cork. This 'mild' spell has been shocking down here. Like so much of this winter the sun has not been seen for days on end.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Claremorris recorded it's all-time highest Feb minima of 11.5c yesterday. We have to go back as far as 1998 to see this station's next highest Feb min, which was 11.0c on February 12th that year.

    Min here yesterday was 12.1c, which wouldn't be out of place in July or August.

    Edit: Just to add, it also broke its highest all-time Feb maxima yesterday. 14.4c as opposed to the 13.8c recorded on Feb 27th, 1958.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    I noticed some light haze yesterday too. It was a pretty nice day yesterday, mostly cloudy but some nice sunny spells.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    57 dull days at Cork Airport from November up to February 22nd this season. This is the third highest amount of dull days at the station in the last 22 years (behind 2011-12 & 2015-16). Some bit away though from the highest amount of 73 days in 1975-76 and 69 days in 1991-92.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    drizzly muck here this morning, not a nice day to be outside.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Gonzo wrote: »
    upper air temperatures for this Monday, really shows the plume of warm air from Morocco to Ireland, I think it's possible a few places may reach 18C on Monday if properly sunny and sheltered.

    So the Feb high temperature record could yet come under threat of being broken then. Mad stuff. It sure has been an unusual winter to say the least.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    So the Feb high temperature record could yet come under threat of being broken then. Mad stuff. It sure has been an unusual winter to say the least.

    yep it still could be broken, however the GFS is showing the most likely high temperature to be in Mayo, Galway and Donegal on Monday, it will depend on how much sun they get on Monday.

    If the highest temperatures were forcasted to be around the Phoenix Park or Carlow, I'd be more confident of the record being broken in good spells of sunshine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Lawn done
    Clothes dried
    Yard tidied

    Enjoying this


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    Not bad in Dublin 5. It's cloudy but at least it's not the miserable sheet of low cloud/stratus kind.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Clouds are splitting in cork city and the sun is starting to appear. Temp has risen to 15 degrees now too according to the car. Ooh this is totally different then the rest of the week. First time I've actually felt some heat.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    after a horrible morning, it's brightened up here after a very wet morning.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭MidMan25


    Clouds are splitting in cork city and the sun is starting to appear. Temp has risen to 15 degrees now too according to the car. Ooh this is totally different then the rest of the week. First time I've actually felt some heat.

    Stunning afternoon now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Glorious now


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    MidMan25 wrote: »
    Stunning afternoon now!

    After turning very foggy now, we went down to our summer home on the coast. Say it's working its way inland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Turned out to be a fantastic evening at Portmarnock Beach.

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Clouds are splitting in cork city and the sun is starting to appear. Temp has risen to 15 degrees now too according to the car. Ooh this is totally different then the rest of the week. First time I've actually felt some heat.

    Was a lovely day in fairness.
    Calm, bright and nicely mild.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭mickger844posts


    Dense Fog in Waterford City currently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    What a day! How anyone would prefer to be covered in inch's of frozen snow rather than this glorious warm sunshine is beyond me :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    What a day! How anyone would prefer to be covered in inch's of frozen snow rather than this glorious warm sunshine is beyond me :)

    I would much prefer to have snowy wintry conditions now rather than in March or April which may well happen this spring. Apart from one week this winter has been unnaturally mild and I fear there will be payback later in the year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    What a day! How anyone would prefer to be covered in inch's of frozen snow rather than this glorious warm sunshine is beyond me :)

    How someone doesn't understand that people on a weather forum like interesting weather is beyond me!

    Lines like the above are borderline trolling on this forum imo, as it's designed to get a reaction. We're not in preschool remember.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    How someone doesn't understand that people on a weather forum like interesting weather is beyond me!

    Lines like the above are borderline trolling on this forum imo, as it's designed to get a reaction. We're not in preschool remember.

    Are we not near record breaking high temperatures for February ? And for the winter as a whole ?
    That’s interesting to me
    Just as being absolutely frozen is to others !


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