Gyms to Reopen 2021???

is_that_so · 24-12-2020 9:55am

caviardreams wrote: »

I think there may be updated modelling figures yesterday, so new information I guess. But I agree it's a bit indecisive.

They mentioned a recommendation for non-essential retail but it's not clear that it was absolutely everything else.

is_that_so · 24-12-2020 10:11am

OmegaGene wrote: »

Nephet asked for non essential retail to close last week also and the government made the choice to allow retail but no sales

Well they want March back again, without actually stating that. If there is a move by Government to modify things it may not happen till early next week anyway.

caviardreams · 24-12-2020 10:26am

OmegaGene wrote: »

Nephet don’t have to worry about the economy etc

Agree. They seem intent on leaving schools open too which will negate the positive effect of a full lockdown anyway imo.

24-12-2020 10:57am

caviardreams wrote: »

Looks like today might be the last day for gyms after all :(

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-government-urged-to-begin-six-week-lockdown-on-st-stephen-s-day-1.4444984

Another full 6 week lock down possibly on the horizon from stephen's day - we didn't even get 4 weeks! :mad::(

They seem focused on discretionary socialising. I reckon gyms should be OK, fingers crossed. Just tickled 120kg bench press so was looking forward to Jan training really.

Alf Veedersane · 24-12-2020 11:19am

Augeo wrote: »

They seem focused on discretionary socialising. I reckon gyms should be OK, fingers crossed. Just tickled 120kg bench press so was looking forward to Jan training really.

That's what I was thinking. The commentary around the increased rate of transmission has been around the reopening of hospitality.

FlubberJones · 27-12-2020 2:32pm

Training yesterday and today, in fairness I see the gyms struggling to stay open and as even the simple request to train on your won can't be adhered to. Idiotic lads training together right next to the massive standup signs that say "individual training only"...
I saw the team that work in the gym telling lads to train on their own and they did for about 2 mins... such pathetic idiots that can't do the right things to keep the places open.

j@utis · 27-12-2020 3:45pm

FlubberJones wrote: »

Training yesterday and today, in fairness I see the gyms struggling to stay open and as even the simple request to train on your won can't be adhered to. Idiotic lads training together right next to the massive standup signs that say "individual training only"...
I saw the team that work in the gym telling lads to train on their own and they did for about 2 mins... such pathetic idiots that can't do the right things to keep the places open.

We have people training in groups but they come I and leave together. They might be siblings or just living together, I dunno.

We have to wear the mask going in and out. It lasted for about a week with majority trying to do so but now it's only a few wear it. Cleaning equipment afterwards is quite well adhered to though but knowing it's an airborne virus is quite futile exercise.
I think gym owner isn't too pushy because of member numbers falling, he doesn't want to turn more of them off?

FlubberJones · 27-12-2020 4:12pm

j@utis wrote: »

We have people training in groups but they come I and leave together. They might be siblings or just living together, I dunno.

We have to wear the mask going in and out. It lasted for about a week with majority trying to do so but now it's only a few wear it. Cleaning equipment afterwards is quite well adhered to though but knowing it's an airborne virus is quite futile exercise.
I think gym owner isn't too pushy because of member numbers falling, he doesn't want to turn more of them off?

No masks required but Ben Dunne in Cherrywood is bloody massive so easy to keep away from people.

caviardreams · 27-12-2020 6:42pm

FlubberJones wrote: »

No masks required but Ben Dunne in Cherrywood is bloody massive so easy to keep away from people.

Unfortunately distancing doesn't help too much if it's airborne:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2720

The graphic in the below is illuminating - especially if you view gyms (in general) as high occupancy, indoors and poorly ventilated
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223

Alf Veedersane · 27-12-2020 8:00pm

caviardreams wrote: »

Unfortunately distancing doesn't help too much if it's airborne:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2720

The graphic in the below is illuminating - especially if you view gyms (in general) as high occupancy, indoors and poorly ventilated
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223

If you consider most of the racks in Flyefit (based solely on Ranelagh, Portobello and Baggot St), the majority are facing walls. I wonder if a lot of the air most forcefully expelled will be towards the walls that are 2-3m away and whether that might actually help reduce aerosols/airborne transmission to some degree. And the high ceilings in Portobello probably help to some degree too with some colder air coming in downstairs anyway.

I'd probably feel less comfortable in some other gyms I can think of.

Either way, its going to be hard to avoid any risk so just have to be sensible about choices made.

obi604 · 28-12-2020 2:26pm

When the new restrictions come in in a few days, will gyms be closed?

28-12-2020 2:35pm

obi604 wrote: »

When the new restrictions come in in a few days, will gyms be closed?

The new restrictions are in.... Gyms & non essential retail will remain open unless there's a new announcement.

obi604 · 28-12-2020 2:36pm

Augeo wrote: »

The new restrictions are in.... Gyms & non essential retail will remain open unless there's a new announcement.

Ooops sorry. Losing track of what restrictions are in or not.

What’s the chances of them staying open?

28-12-2020 3:06pm

obi604 wrote: »

Ooops sorry. Losing track of what restrictions are in or not.

What’s the chances of them staying open?

As long as non essential retail stays open I reckon gyms will.
My view on the recent rise in cases is that social gatherings in restaurants was the huge issue. Unfortunately we now have all those who frequented restaurants going wherever for Christmas so it'll be 3 weeks into January before things improve and how much worse cases get is hard to guess.
I'm not sure non essential retail will survive if we see 2000 cases a day. Tony holohan is keen to lock it all up again as he keeps telling the government.

Personally, I've not gone near a restaurant but I feel comfortable enough in the gym but I do see less than perfect behavior in the gym.

I train in a huge flyefit

j@utis · 28-12-2020 5:50pm

I haven't been in the cafe or restaurant since the start of covid19 outbreak. I feel more comfortable in the gym because it's a huge space and every body more or less are moving around all the time, comparing to restaurant where you're seated, so are the others, in relatively tiny space.
I usually train in the mornings which means less crowds too. I see more or less the same people at that time in the gym, which makes it like my training bubble.

jrosen · 29-12-2020 10:47am

My gym are really dropping the ball. Everyone is suppose to pre book sessions to control numbers. But that’s not happening. I went yesterday when according to the system only 10 others were there. There was about 27.
There are also people coming in 2’s plus to train together.
It’s not the biggest of gyms, the floor size is decent but they have a large section just for floor work and stretching but most equipment is concentrated together.

I’ve been trying to book sessions when the numbers are low because it’s the only way to actually work out and keep distance.

calfmuscle · 29-12-2020 10:56am

Article on the Irish Times today about moving to full level 5. They would mean gyms are closed

FlubberJones · 29-12-2020 11:00am

calfmuscle wrote: »

Article on the Irish Times today about moving to full level 5. They would mean gyms are closed

I'm going to enjoy the gym while I can, there is nothing but doom and gloom in any of the papers or news broadcast, until it is categorically stated they close I will ignore the news.
When it comes down to it the home visits, restaurants and pubs have been the primary cause for this shiity situation we are now in, not the gyms

JeffKenna · 29-12-2020 11:02am

FlubberJones wrote: »

I'm going to enjoy the gym while I can, there is nothing but doom and gloom in any of the papers or news broadcast, until it is categorically stated they close I will ignore the news.
When it comes down to it the home visits, restaurants and pubs have been the primary cause for this shiity situation we are now in, not the gyms

****ing ridiculous, don't bother vaccinating weekends or after 5pm but close the gyms. Couldn't make it up.

nullzero · 29-12-2020 11:20am

JeffKenna wrote: »

****ing ridiculous, don't bother vaccinating weekends or after 5pm but close the gyms. Couldn't make it up.

The problem we have is that all non gym goers have the image in their heads of people coughing and sneezing all over each other in Gyms. There's no way of winning that argument sadly, the closure is coming eventually and we'll have to suck it up once again.

JeffKenna · 29-12-2020 12:46pm

nullzero wrote: »

The problem we have is that all non gym goers have the image in their heads of people coughing and sneezing all over each other in Gyms. There's no way of winning that argument sadly, the closure is coming eventually and we'll have to suck it up once again.

Yeah you're right I'd say. To be fair the increased hygiene in the gyms is great and hopefully it'll stay post covid. Fellas on a bike for a half hour going full throttle and giving it a light rub with a towel before the next persons jumps on almost makes me sick now thinking back.

silverharp · 29-12-2020 12:46pm

if I have it right, West Wood have indoor classes but no but no trainer present but using video instead, are other gyms doing something similar?

JeffKenna · 29-12-2020 12:49pm

silverharp wrote: »

if I have it right, West Wood have indoor classes but no but no trainer present but using video instead, are other gyms doing something similar?

I'm joined two gyms (as one has a pool) and both of those have cancelled all classes.

zerosugarbuzz · 29-12-2020 12:54pm

No classes in my gym. I haven’t been there since September, might actually just cancel membership at this stage.

29-12-2020 12:56pm

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

No classes in my gym. I haven’t been there since September, might actually just cancel membership at this stage.

Most gyms allow you to freeze. I've had mine at Flyefit frozen since a bit before the last lockdown.

Thelonious Monk · 29-12-2020 1:24pm

Westwood has no on site classes. I go to the one in Clontarf and to be fair there are groups working out together and hanging out in the steam room and jacuzzi together, mostly youngfellas. They don't control numbers going into sauna etc either, I mean surely it could easily spread there?
I really hope they don't close again I did enjoy jogging this year when they were gone but with the weather lately I'm not inclined to go running around in it, and going to the gym is one of the few reasons I have to leave the house these days.

jrosen · 29-12-2020 1:40pm

silverharp wrote: »

if I have it right, West Wood have indoor classes but no but no trainer present but using video instead, are other gyms doing something similar?

Mine doing the same. Les mills spin virtual still going on the hour every hour.

Alf Veedersane · 29-12-2020 6:53pm

Looked like retail, gyms and leisure centres are being considered for closure at cabinet tomorrow.

Thelonious Monk · 29-12-2020 6:57pm

Yeah they seem to be flying a few kites regarding closing them, urgh

obi604 · 29-12-2020 7:22pm

1546 new cases. Not looking good for gyms staying open.

caviardreams · 29-12-2020 7:24pm

I'd say it's a definite in terms of closure after tomorrow's cabinet meeting

:(

29-12-2020 7:31pm

If non essential retail survives so will gyms.
Really depends how much will the government have to stick to the plan. The rise in cases isn't surprising and it'll be higher numbers next week. Leo has stated it'll be 2nd week of Jan before we see benefits of the restaurants closed.

Thelonious Monk · 29-12-2020 7:58pm

why would they keep gyms open if we're going to see case numbers worse than ever probably in the next few days?
I'm just back from Westwood Sandymount. Lots of groups talking to each other, right beside each other in the pools etc.
I don't want them to close but they're really not enforcing anything. You shouldn't be allowed go to gyms with your mates.
Tomorrow they'll be announced closed for sure. I just don't know why they even bothered letting them open up as this was always going to happen. Idiots.

29-12-2020 8:04pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

....... for sure. I just don't know why they even bothered letting them open up as this was always going to happen. Idiots.

Sure why open anything so until we are all vaccinated. I enjoyed my December in the gym TBH, was brilliant.

caviardreams · 29-12-2020 8:08pm

Augeo wrote: »

If non essential retail survives so will gyms.
Really depends how much will the government have to stick to the plan. The rise in cases isn't surprising and it'll be higher numbers next week. Leo has stated it'll be 2nd week of Jan before we see benefits of the restaurants closed.

I think school closures may even be on the cards tbh - non essential retail & gyms are a done deal I think. I personally agree that they should leave it till the 12th and see if the current restrictions will halt things and reassess then (and close everything if the growth rate hasn't eased) but don't see that being the approach of the politicians imo.

Alf Veedersane · 29-12-2020 9:19pm

caviardreams wrote: »

I think school closures may even be on the cards tbh

Schools won't be closed.

Black Sheep · 30-12-2020 10:37am

I'm sure you guys saw Harris say he felt full Phase 5 restrictions could be imminent yesterday. Not as clear a signal of intentions as it would have been if we just had a FG government, but I could see gym and retail closing for a fortnight or so alright. Although, anecdotally, seems like what just needs to happen is for people to stop doing the Christmas house visits and meet-ups that have been going on all month (Myself included).

Schools will be OK to reopen I think. Even the INTO aren't calling for outright school closures.. They're looking for a delay in opening from January 6 to January 11 at the earliest... To be honest, I could tolerate a delay till 11 January but I suspect like most working parents that would be about as far as I could go. I think the government are aware of this, and it's been reflected in their commitment to keeping the schools open. At the end of the day if you have a workforce who can't work, then there's no one generating the money that is keeping the healthcare system and pandemic unemployment payments going. The other element is that, frankly, kids need to be educated and we necessarily tolerate a larger amount of risk around that than in relation to other settings. If we absolutely had to do it then where I disagree with the INTO is that primary schools should be first. Primary kids have the lowest rate of transmission, AFAIK. Aware this isn't the forum for discussion of this, however, so I'll leave it there.

HBC08 · 30-12-2020 10:40am

JeffKenna wrote: »

****ing ridiculous, don't bother vaccinating weekends or after 5pm but close the gyms. Couldn't make it up.

You could and you did.
Vaccinations are happening after 5pm and 7 days a week.
There's a lot of sh1tty things actually happening at the moment, save your outrage for them and not made up situations.

JeffKenna · 30-12-2020 10:44am

HBC08 wrote: »

You could and you did.
Vaccinations are happening after 5pm and 7 days a week.
There's a lot of sh1tty things actually happening at the moment, save your outrage for them and not made up situations.

No one's making anything up. That's the schedule the Irish times ran with before Christmas until the backlash forced the change.

FlubberJones · 30-12-2020 10:45am

Gyms are on borrowed time, its easy to shut them down so they'll do so and quickly... in my opinion they should be shutting the schools also though, I still dont see the difference, surely all the staff would be ideally placed to catch the illness.

*off to the the gym for one of the last workouts.

Fiftyfilthy · 30-12-2020 11:27am

I won’t use the phrase “a lot “ but quite a few gyms in Dublin remained opened during the last lockdown

Gym users told not to park in the car park , turn up before 6, climb over walls , tell nobody

I know of at least 5 gyms that were doing this and letting certain members train

North side of Dublin in particular

JeffKenna · 30-12-2020 11:35am

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

I won’t use the phrase “a lot “ but quite a few gyms in Dublin remained opened during the last lockdown

Gym users told not to park in the car park , turn up before 6, climb over walls , tell nobody

I know of at least 5 gyms that were doing this and letting certain members train

North side of Dublin in particular

Mrs Kenna also continued to frequent the gym here in Cork City.

nullzero · 30-12-2020 12:04pm

Hard to see smaller Gyms staying in business now.

It would be nice to see a nuanced approach to this looming lockdown and leave Gyms and non essential retail alone. Yesterday was insane in shopping centres because of the return to level 5 looming, the previous few days the places were largely deserted. That heavy traffic will undoubtedly cause it's own volume of Covid cases.

The last lockdown was laughable, the streets of Dublin were full of people drinking take away pints every night, but of course Gyms are a more serious problem for transmission of Covid.

Rosita · 30-12-2020 12:16pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

why would they keep gyms open if we're going to see case numbers worse than ever probably in the next few days?
I'm just back from Westwood Sandymount. Lots of groups talking to each other, right beside each other in the pools etc.
I don't want them to close but they're really not enforcing anything. You shouldn't be allowed go to gyms with your mates.
Tomorrow they'll be announced closed for sure. I just don't know why they even bothered letting them open up as this was always going to happen. Idiots.

What I see in the gym is generally quite good. There are significant issues around people loading barbells and walking away at the end as has always happened. That's no longer good enough (not that it ever was) - they should be unloaded and sanitised at the end.

The other issue I see too is young males insisting on walking around in bunches (unmasked). I don't expect people in the gym to be masked but the premise to that is that you are training individually and maintaining social distance. I have seen some groups pulled up on it but given the prevalence of young males in gyms and their apparent lack of confidence in going alone it's a moving target.

Whether this is equating to infection spread is another matter. But I suppose when we don't have a tracking and tracing system of any value we'll never really know. But my sense is that gyms have made a good and genuine effort (with sanitisation stations, signage, spacing etc.) leaving aside that the behaviour of some individuals in the gyms could be better.

Looks like we'll hardly see the inside of a gym before March, and that's probably optimistic.

Fiftyfilthy · 30-12-2020 12:19pm

Gyms were always going to close , government allowed them open for the few extra days just to show that they had tried regarding gyms after the backlash in November.

Alf Veedersane · 30-12-2020 12:25pm

Black Sheep wrote: »

I'm sure you guys saw Harris say he felt full Phase 5 restrictions could be imminent yesterday. Not as clear a signal of intentions as it would have been if we just had a FG government, but I could see gym and retail closing for a fortnight or so alright. Although, anecdotally, seems like what just needs to happen is for people to stop doing the Christmas house visits and meet-ups that have been going on all month (Myself included).

Schools will be OK to reopen I think. Even the INTO aren't calling for outright school closures.. They're looking for a delay in opening from January 6 to January 11 at the earliest... To be honest, I could tolerate a delay till 11 January but I suspect like most working parents that would be about as far as I could go. I think the government are aware of this, and it's been reflected in their commitment to keeping the schools open. At the end of the day if you have a workforce who can't work, then there's no one generating the money that is keeping the healthcare system and pandemic unemployment payments going. The other element is that, frankly, kids need to be educated and we necessarily tolerate a larger amount of risk around that than in relation to other settings. If we absolutely had to do it then where I disagree with the INTO is that primary schools should be first. Primary kids have the lowest rate of transmission, AFAIK. Aware this isn't the forum for discussion of this, however, so I'll leave it there.

Are you not aware that you're only saying that because school is free childcare?

Couldn't possibly be because you know....having to work to pay bills and such like.

Thelonious Monk · 30-12-2020 12:33pm

I got what was probably my last session in this morning. Once again compliance terrible in the pool. Bunches of middle aged people congregated and chatting, i think they're all in an iron man club or something. I wish I could say gyms arent a problem but i keep seeing stupid stuff in Westwood.
Kids eduction is more important than most things so schools should always be the last things to close, gyms are a no brainer.

givyjoe · 30-12-2020 12:40pm

Rosita wrote: »

What I see in the gym is generally quite good. There are significant issues around people loading barbells and walking away at the end as has always happened. That's no longer good enough (not that it ever was) - they should be unloaded and sanitised at the end.

The other issue I see too is young males insisting on walking around in bunches (unmasked). I don't expect people in the gym to be masked but the premise to that is that you are training individually and maintaining social distance. I have seen some groups pulled up on it but given the prevalence of young makes in gyms and their apparent lack of confidence is going alone it's a moving target.

Whether this is equating to infection spread is another matter. But I suppose when we don't have a tracking and tracing system of any value we'll never really know. But my sense is that gyms have made a good and genuine effort (with sanitisation stations, signage, spacing etc.) leaving aside that the behaviour of some individuals in the gyms could be better.

Looks like we'll hardly see the inside of a gym before March, and that's probably optimistic.

I really don't get obsession with sanitising weights, it's a complete waste of time considering you're sharing an enclosed space with many maskless individuals. Dont go licking your fingers before you sanitise your own hands, simple. It makes about as much sense as retail workers, or you, spraying down the butter shelf after you've had a rummage around.

Rosita · 30-12-2020 1:09pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Are you not aware that you're only saying that because school is free childcare?

Couldn't possibly be because you know....having to work to pay bills and such like.

Not clear what the difference is here? People need the childcare (all the better if it's free of course) to enable them to work. So it's the same thing isn't it?

Black Sheep · 30-12-2020 1:16pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Are you not aware that you're only saying that because school is free childcare?

Couldn't possibly be because you know....having to work to pay bills and such like.

Schools being open or closed is definitely becoming a fraught issue!

Gyms to Reopen 2021???

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