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AEW - All Elite Wrestling (*Spoilers for Latest Show*)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Don Callis comes across as such a smarmy chickensh1t individual, it's bloody fantastic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭Chuck Noland


    Sting in 2020 is just a very “Meh” move from AEW. Reminds me of TNA signing any named star. (Sting obviously was the exception in TNA as he wasn’t ex WWE


    The Omega, Callis/impact wrestling angle is brilliant and well done AEW.

    Wonder how TNT feel that the huge follow up promo is on a rival tv station tho


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    I wouldn't mind the collaboration only for the fact that it will shine a light on the awful Gallows and Anderson again which means I'm 300% against it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    A big night for AEW and for most part they really delivered.

    The Battle Royal was very well booked in my opinion, particularly the sequence with Jungle Boy and Sammy. Lots going on with Page/Hardy/Dark Order, Sky/Spears, MJF/Sammy, Miro/OC. Would have rathered Jungle Boy v MJF but Im ok with OC too and it makes no surprise that OC got the nod. Jungle Boy is just my boy right now and the perfect underdog. Miro had a good showing and in turn, some rehab for his character. An entertaining and creative opener.

    Jericho v Kaz was ok, Im kinda over Jericho in AEW. Bar his entrance, hes going stale and I do not wanna see him in competition. Kaz is in great shape but he couldnt drag Jericho to a decent match, though he tried. Too many resthold's early on killed any chance this match had, though I did feel the Flux Capacitor on Jericho was impressive it wasn't enough to get me into this match. I did like the towel antics though which do add to the story. Jake Hager in his Arthur Daly coat was a funny sight though.

    Bucks interview gave a nice heel vibe, but the Acclaimed strolled in as heels so I wish The Bucks would pick a side. The Acclaimed are a good team but their promo sucked.

    Baker vs Legit was fine, Im a huge fan of Baker as a character and she hits it out of the park each time, but shes needs work in the ring. I dont think shes sloppy, but I do feel shes nearlyt too slow in transitions and over cautious when giving offence. That said this match was one of her better showings and Leyla gave a good account of herself. Rosa running in was fine and I hope Rosa come sout on top at the end as Id love to see her and the champ eventually lock up after she beats Baker, though I feel Baker might be go over considering how good of a character she has.

    The Cody/Allin vs Team Taz match was good. I like everyone in this match, Allin, Starks and Hobbs all appear to have bright futures..... esp liking Starks as he has an attitude and charisma thats off the charts, reminds me of a modern day Gorgeous Gino. Hobbs wearing Taz colours is a nice touch. A decent tag match that progressed the story. Taz has been a gem for AEW. Never liked him in TNA, but he has really found his groove as a Bobby Heenan type manager with more backbone. Him being the mouthpiece for Hobbs and Cage is a wise choice.

    Was surprised to see Sting and was I am in two minds. Oh one side it was a cool moment, one the other I was thinking "do I really wanna see Sting in AEW on a multi year performers contract". I dunno how much he can go in 2020, but I will reserve judgment for how he was used. A one off match would be fine but anything more..... I dunno.

    And the Main Event. Before it started the time remaining indictated that we are getting a long, big fight. I was already hyped for it and the entrances and intros gave it that big fight feel even more. Genuinely didnt know which way this could go and plenty of scenarios went through my head, which is exactly where you wanna be as you settle in to watch a big top of the card fight. Arguably the biggest match in AEW yet.

    Side nit-pick, I hate Mox's ring gear.... preferred him in the short tights.

    Loved Mox's swagger early on and the match was good, nothing spectacular until Mox hit his finisher an grabbed the chairs. Wouldnt it have made more sense for Mox to pin him and then grab the chairs. Why risk the title and your undefeated streak?

    After that, the match picked up and it really hit its stride. I could watch Kennys snap suplexs all day. Omega going dirty was welcome and him having to resort to using a weapon works well. The cross promotion stuff with Impact .... I dunno..... while Impact has done well in recent years to get the stink of Dixie Carter, Im not too keen on AEW crossing over to this extent. I guess I will wait and see, but Im not too encouraged as I feel the days of invasions and fed warfare are well past their sell by date.

    Overall though a very good show and really enjoyed most of the main event.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Well Impact certainly just got a lot more interesting!

    Really liked the main event, started off slow but built up nicely and it was the right time and right person to take the belt off Mox. I love wrestling companies working together so I'm a big fan of the angle. Is there now a possibility Omega could begin 2021 as the AEW World Champion, the Impact World Champion and the AAA Mega Campeon? Don Callis is awesome so with his involvement I'm hoping for really good things to come!

    The tag match and the Battle Royal were both really good, just another very enjoyable episode of Dynamite all round. Sting's return to TNT, a new World Champion, a new working partnership - felt like a big night for AEW and a great night of pro-wrestling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37 ciaran2054


    That episode was insane. Hats off to Tony Kahn. He gives me exactly what I want even when I don’t know I want it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    After that ending with Kenny & Don Callis, and the find out on Tuesday.

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    All around bloody good show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    After that ending with Kenny & Don Callis, and the find out on Tuesday.

    All around bloody good show.

    I am very curious to see the numbers bump Impact will surely get. Its win-win for Anthem and the rub surely will do them wonders.

    It always depends on what the relationship in between the two companies.

    I wonder will we see wrestlers switch sides ala WWE's invasion. Sting, Kingston, Hardy... all former Impact guys.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭Officer999


    Amazing the Sting debut wasn’t leaked. Great to be genuinely surprised nowadays


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    I am very curious to see the numbers bump Impact will surely get. Its win-win for Anthem and the rub surely will do them wonders.

    It always depends on what the relationship in between the two companies.

    I wonder will we see wrestlers switch sides ala WWE's invasion. Sting, Kingston, Hardy... all former Impact guys.

    Bigger picture; it's win win all around and shows that AEW & by extension Tony & TNT are willing to extend a branch and form an alliance of sorts between the other wrestling companies. As Impact have a working relationship with ROH, who have one with NJPW, AEW sort of have with Corgan's NWA.

    And perhaps a stupid question, but what's the connection (if any) between Don Callis & Kenny Omega? Other than them being Canadians of course.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Officer999 wrote: »
    Amazing the Sting debut wasn’t leaked. Great to be genuinely surprised nowadays

    Clearly keeping a secret/surprise under wraps isn't a lost art in professional wrestling after all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    Bigger picture; it's win win all around and shows that AEW & by extension Tony & TNT are willing to extend a branch and form an alliance of sorts between the other wrestling companies. As Impact have a working relationship with ROH, who have one with NJPW, AEW sort of have with Corgan's NWA.

    And perhaps a stupid question, but what's the connection (if any) between Don Callis & Kenny Omega? Other than them being Canadians of course.


    Its too early to say its a win for AEW. Did they need the association with Impact.... Id say no, but only time will tell if it's a success. Its started off one the right foot as its certainly created a buzz and they have me curious to see how it pays off.

    Having a working relationship with a company is one thing, an invasion us vs them angle on a big scale.... its too early to tell how it will go. Its off to a good start though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,903 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Jesus Sting still relevant in 2020/21

    Love the character and wwe made such a bollocks of his run. Best of luck to him


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Jesus Sting still relevant in 2020/21

    Love the character and wwe made such a bollocks of his run. Best of luck to him

    Still scratching my head over that Mania result. Vince at his most egotistical.

    I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they were going to use him better until that injury happened.

    Really cool moment watching Sting circle the ring giving them all the state.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Still scratching my head over that Mania result. Vince at his most egotistical.

    HHH was supposed to have a match with the Rock the following Mania so he had to win the one previous to look strong etc.

    What are the chances of Taker ending up in AEW and having a match with Sting?

    Never say never.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    The Nal wrote: »
    HHH was supposed to have a match with the Rock the following Mania so he had to win the one previous to look strong etc.

    What are the chances of Taker ending up in AEW and having a match with Sting?

    Never say never.

    Never


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    gerrybbadd wrote: »
    Never

    Remember hearing the same "never" from 60 year old "loyal to McMahon" Ric Flair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    Clearly keeping a secret/surprise under wraps isn't a lost art in professional wrestling after all.

    Edge showed that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    AEW is linking the world of wrestling outside of WWE.

    Mox is NJPW US Champion

    Omega is AAA Mega Champion.

    Deeb is NWA Women's Champion.

    Impact partnership.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Edge showed that.

    Fair point, had forgotten his return.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    AEW is linking the world of wrestling outside of WWE.

    Mox is NJPW US Champion

    Omega is AAA Mega Champion.

    Deeb is NWA Women's Champion.

    Impact partnership.

    So is Tony Khan Thanos, and AEW is the Infinity Gauntlet and the other wrestling companies are the Infinity Stones in this context :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Nothing in wrestling is original. Rebooting one of the great angles from nearly 50 years ago is the way to do it.

    https://twitter.com/TheDonCallis/status/1334536244743852032?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Moxley Vs Omega was great. Overall I really enjoyed Moxley's run as champ. His mini feud with Eddie Kingston was particularly great. It's a shame we never got to see his run in front of an actual crowd though. He's one of the best around in getting fans involved in his angles and matches. His reign wasn't as good as it could have been due to the lockdown but he made the best of it.

    I'm sure he'll win the title again down the line and be able to have a proper run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,296 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Okay the Sting surprise got me. Didn't see it coming, though not sure what I expect from it.

    I missed the rules for the battle royal so was confused when the music hit after Wardlow was eliminated. the strange thing about their battle royals is their raised entrance means only 3 sides allow things like skinning the cat. What happens if they land on the apron but their heels hit the platform. Are they eliminated.

    As for the main event, what was Moxley thinking with the chairs? Hope someone addresses it with him. He didn't just lose the title to Omega, he lost it to another company in a way. So we should be getting Cody and Tony mad at him. Though Tony looked to be smiling as Don and Kenny passed him.
    I'm curious how Impact's working now. Don't think they're live and they used to record multiple episodes in advance. I guess they could do what needs to be done for this and just insert it where they want.
    So that'll be 3 world titles on Impact, if Moose is to be believed.
    Was trying to think who would be good to see on AEW and I think Jordynne Grace would fit in.
    Su Young vs Abaddon.

    Did anything happen with Kingston since he came out after the match?


  • Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭cian68


    The Nal wrote: »
    HHH was supposed to have a match with the Rock the following Mania so he had to win the one previous to look strong etc.

    What are the chances of Taker ending up in AEW and having a match with Sting?

    Never say never.

    I wouldn't rule out Undertaker doing anything if the money is right


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    The Nal wrote: »
    HHH was supposed to have a match with the Rock the following Mania so he had to win the one previous to look strong etc.

    What are the chances of Taker ending up in AEW and having a match with Sting?
    Never say never.

    I'd say 14 years time, when that new contract he signed last year expires.

    So realistically, never.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Does anyone actually want to see broken down 55 year old Taker versus an equally broken down 61 year old Sting?

    They might be able to do a cinematic match but a regular in-ring singles match would be a pitiful sight.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Does anyone actually want to see broken down 55 year old Taker versus an equally broken down 61 year old Sting?

    They might be able to do a cinematic match but a regular in-ring singles match would be a pitiful sight.

    Cinematic match next year is what I was hoping for. Could of got some good promos out of it at the very least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    What was with Kingston at the end? The timing made zero sense.

    Moxleys kayfabe motives with the chair made zero zense. He speaks about the championship meaning everything to him yet he hits his finisher and doesnt try win..... there was no logic to the chair but at that stage. Im fine with the spot with the chairs, just the timing of it made no sense. After a random power move.... fine.... after his finisher in a title match against arguably his toughest challeneger. No sense.

    But its a minor gripe. The match overall delivered. Gave us a highky enjoyable TV championship bout and didnt blow their load. I wanna see them go at it on PPV in the rubber match.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    To be briefly pedantic. But how can there be a rubber match between Kenny & Jon Moxley? The unsanctioned match at Full Gear last year wasn't counted against both men's records. So technically Kenny is 1-0 over Moxley.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    To be briefly pedantic. But how can there be a rubber match between Kenny & Jon Moxley? The unsanctioned match at Full Gear last year wasn't counted against both men's records. So technically Kenny is 1-0 over Moxley.

    Ya might have cracked onto something there. I can see Callis and Omega doing a smarmy promo saying the same.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Ya might have cracked onto something there. I can see Callis and Omega doing a smarmy promo saying the same.

    I'm 99% sure it was mentioned and acknowledged on an episode of Dynamite.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 24,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Just on the Sting debut and the surprise you have to hand it to AEW Moxley’s debut and Miro’s
    Debut to a lesser extent were a complete surprise.

    WWE have a mix of an internal source leaking things out of spite and them purpose leaking things in the hope of a ratings spike.

    I have to say I’m really enjoying AEW lately. Lots of good. I still don’t think they needed Sting but that’s a small gripe.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Comicbook.com excerpted this from an interview Matt & Nick did with Jon Alba & Doug McDonald on their Living The Gimmick podcast. It's too much to post, but Nick did mention collaborating with other promotions.
    First off, it just makes wrestling interesting, And that's something wrestling hasn't had in many, many years is getting people interested in the product. This is a way to make things interesting, and if you do it right it can be very good for business. We've done it, like Matt said earlier, it worked well when we've done it in the past. Our program with the Hardys... that did massive business for Ring of Honor. It was the best business, at that point, in the company's history. It worked there, so it can work here

    https://comicbook.com/wwe/news/aew-young-bucks-partnership-with-impact-formed-kenny-omega-don-callis-years-in-the-making/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Loughc wrote: »
    Just on the Sting debut and the surprise you have to hand it to AEW Moxley’s debut and Miro’s
    Debut to a lesser extent were a complete surprise.

    WWE have a mix of an internal source leaking things out of spite and them purpose leaking things in the hope of a ratings spike.

    I have to say I’m really enjoying AEW lately. Lots of good. I still don’t think they needed Sting but that’s a small gripe.

    Even doing business with Impact lots guessed and hoped something might happen however I don't think anyone would have expected what happened last night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Even doing business with Impact lots guessed and hoped something might happen however I don't think anyone would have expected what happened last night.

    If you were to tell me they were working together, I would have expected a lower level working arrangement. Like Sami vs Mox or MCMG vs The Bucks in challenge matches rather than a full blown angle.

    Im surprised and curious to see where its going, though I do dislike invasion angles personally. But sure if anyone is capable of doing it right Its AEW.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭Officer999


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Edge showed that.

    That was spoiled beforehand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,296 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I may have said before but the one problem with cross promotional stuff like this is keeping up. I know it's to put eyes on the other promotion but take for example the NWA women's title. It has been defended on AEW shows. Now the new AEW champion is going to explain his reasons on Impact.
    Does part of the deal involve airing footage from the other promotions. Like if I don't watch Impact next week, will they have clips of it on Dynamite?
    Going back to the NWA title, Thunder Rosa fought Shida on AEW, she then lost the title to Serena Deeb around the time Deeb signed for AEW, I believe, so now Deeb is suddenly a champion on AEW and we didn't see that happen.
    I know there are others who hold titles but they aren't currently recognised on AEW television. As well as holding multiple titles from different promotions in the indies.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Sure look, boxing has had multiple titles for long enough within divisions, so feck it. :pac:

    Kenny showing up on Impact does make sense given Callis runs the show and because they'll probably make it a "safe space" for Kenny. Some proper heat to draw from it that's what they do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Does anyone actually want to see broken down 55 year old Taker versus an equally broken down 61 year old Sting?

    They might be able to do a cinematic match but a regular in-ring singles match would be a pitiful sight.

    I don’t want to see Sting full stop in the ring ever again. He was passé in his WWE run, booking and initial debut aside. I love AEW but this does zero for me. Don’t love it, don’t like it, just meh. Unless Sting is gonna be kayfabe coaching Darby or something then it holds no interest for me and even at that I wouldn’t care all that much.

    Agree on the Battle Royal, the last man standing should be the winner. They (not AEW but wrestling in general) yet again went with the eliminated but not eliminated angle again. If you leave the ring through middle or bottom rope, you should have a ten count to get back in or else you’re counted out and eliminated. Enough refs are there for that.

    Really liked Leyla Hirsh vs Britt Baker. Kaz vs Jericho was fine. The main event was fine and the ending gets the curiosity level up but I don’t feel the execution of it was all that great.

    All in all I’m a little underwhelmed following the show but I’m mad excited to tune in next week. Funny how it goes sometimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Callihan/Mox will surely be one of the inter-promotional matches if any happen - the history writes itself, plus I think Sami might be a prime suspect for attacking Mox backstage.

    Would love to see the Bucks or FTR against the North too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭cian68


    One thing I'd like to see AEW get out of this is some Impact footage for video packages on Sting and whoever else. Maybe Christopher Daniels


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Get Jericho on Impact.


  • Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭TimesArrow


    I’ve been fairly indifferent to AEW for a few months, and I’m not at all saying what happened on Wednesday was bad, but some of the reaction and hyperbole to that finish as if it was the greatest thing in wrestling ever is ridiculous. I admire them for trying some new stuff and I like the idea, but I was underwhelmed by the execution.. some podcasts I listen to ( particularly WhatCulture wrestling, which I usually like) are becoming unlistenable in that their praise for all things AEW is becoming grating and their fawning over the product is tiresome.. I’m well aware wwe is pretty mediocre for the most part but I feel in some quarters, the pro AEW sentiment is sometimes heavily influenced by the poor quality of wwe week in week out and not purely looking at AEW in isolation.. maybe I’m missing something, but dynamite really isn’t doing much for me in recent months and I find a lot of it very smug in their booking ( Cody).. I’ll keep an eye on things as they happen but I’m doing with Wednesday night watching for a while


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    AEW 913k ranked 2nd most watched show of the night.

    NXT 658k ranked 40th most watched show of the night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    AEW 913k ranked 2nd most watched show of the night.

    NXT 658k ranked 40th most watched show of the night.

    Considering AEW got a milliom in Sept, Id say they were expecting more, esp when NXT didnt counter book.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 24,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    AEW 913k ranked 2nd most watched show of the night.

    NXT 658k ranked 40th most watched show of the night.

    Bit worrying that AEW put on their biggest world title match for free on tv and didn’t draw over the million mark.

    And not to mention that wasn’t a one match card. The card was stacked.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Loughc wrote: »
    Bit worrying that AEW put on their biggest world title match for free on tv and didn’t draw over the million mark.

    And not to mention that wasn’t a one match card. The card was stacked.

    Was it though? They gave away Omega/Mox (though the finish means there's a rubber match in future) and what else? The battle royal? The Cody/Darby/Team Tazz tag that was always going to be on TV anyway. The Sting debut, though again doing that on TV is the better option than ppv. It was a fun card, big time main event, two big angles, but in terms of emptying the holster it was far from that.

    And the million is a nice number sure but it's the AEW demo that will please the people in that room. This company has a young fan base, a few olds not watching isn't so bad.


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