Cancelled and Rescheduled gigs

drawnacrol · 19-11-2020 6:28pm

I'm getting endless emails and texts about gigs next year. Summer gigs are very ambitious so I won't be buying anything until the day of but on the bright side its a sign of whats to come. When this is over we will be inundated with gigs. I try to go to one a month because often bands don't come back to Ireland for years and sometimes not at all. I've got a feeling we will be seeing a lot more bands come here that would usually not.

Sr. Pirotecnic · 19-11-2020 8:03pm

drawnacrol wrote: »

I'm getting endless emails and texts about gigs next year. Summer gigs are very ambitious so I won't be buying anything until the day of but on the bright side its a sign of whats to come. When this is over we will be inundated with gigs. I try to go to one a month because often bands don't come back to Ireland for years and sometimes not at all. I've got a feeling we will be seeing a lot more bands come here that would usually not.

Touring continental Europe will become a lot more complicated for UK acts post-Brexit apparently so that should also increase the number of gigs in Ireland once the pandemic is over.

drawnacrol · 22-11-2020 5:48pm

Sr. Pirotecnic wrote: »

Touring continental Europe will become a lot more complicated for UK acts post-Brexit apparently so that should also increase the number of gigs in Ireland once the pandemic is over.

I didn't think of that so thats great but does that also mean its harder for bands to tour UK and then enter Ireland via the ferry.

hynesie08 · 23-11-2020 5:16pm

drawnacrol wrote: »

I didn't think of that so thats great but does that also mean its harder for bands to tour UK and then enter Ireland via the ferry.

Most bands either start or end their tour here purely because of the logistics of getting their gear over here, if bands skip the uk because of brexit, it's not going to be financially viable for whelans level bands to play ireland.

I imagine they'll bring in some sort of artist visa waiver that will allow artists to tour the UK.....

TRANQUILLO · 24-11-2020 11:19pm

i have tickets for madcool and primavera 2021 but I envisage they will both be cancelled/not worth it if they go ahead.

Spain are on about mandatory masks for all of 2021 vaccine or no vaccine.

sgarvan · 02-12-2020 12:58pm

Ocean Colour Scene Cancelled and not being rescheduled. Refunds issued

The Nal · 03-12-2020 4:17pm

Major concerts and matches may not go ahead in summer, Varadkar warns

"Under the law it is possible for companies organising those events to cancel them and reschedule them. They don’t have to refund the cost of tickets. They can reschedule them.

“I think people who are buying a ticket should be aware of that that they’re not guaranteed a refund. They might find it being rescheduled.”

PTH2009 · 03-12-2020 4:20pm

The Nal wrote: »

Major concerts and matches may not go ahead in summer, Varadkar warns

"Under the law it is possible for companies organising those events to cancel them and reschedule them. They don’t have to refund the cost of tickets. They can reschedule them.

“I think people who are buying a ticket should be aware of that that they’re not guaranteed a refund. They might find it being rescheduled.”

They will probably be happening in other European countries

A few other countries are starting to trial limited capacity events in stadiums and Arenas

What are we doing in Ireland like that ?

Zardoz · 03-12-2020 6:24pm

The Nal wrote: »

Major concerts and matches may not go ahead in summer, Varadkar warns

"Under the law it is possible for companies organising those events to cancel them and reschedule them. They don’t have to refund the cost of tickets. They can reschedule them.

“I think people who are buying a ticket should be aware of that that they’re not guaranteed a refund. They might find it being rescheduled.”

Leo mouthing off again.
You'd think he'd actually be aware of the law before he speaks and gives incorrect information.

hynesie08 · 03-12-2020 10:43pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

They will probably be happening in other European countries

A few other countries are starting to trial limited capacity events in stadiums and Arenas

What are we doing in Ireland like that ?

We had spectators at sporting events during the summer. How did that work out?

Furious-Red · 05-12-2020 12:03pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

They will probably be happening in other European countries

A few other countries are starting to trial limited capacity events in stadiums and Arenas

What are we doing in Ireland like that ?

During one of the NPHET press conferences a reporter asked with cinemas being reopened as of this week, why are theatres/venues not allowed to reopen in a similar capacity etc which Holohan just answered they havenet even thought about it which is a massive kick in the b***s for the arts industry.

If you can go the a cinema for the bones of 1.30-2hrs why cant you go to a socially distanced show/gig/play etc. At least give them a chance too and monitor how it is working out to see if it could slowly being the opening of the arts sector instead of just pushing it to the back.

Its probably one of the only sectors that has really been totally forgotten about, even thought members of EPIC and the likes have everything ready to present to government/nphet.

MadYaker · 05-12-2020 5:51pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

i have tickets for madcool and primavera 2021 but I envisage they will both be cancelled/not worth it if they go ahead.

Spain are on about mandatory masks for all of 2021 vaccine or no vaccine.

It would still be better than staying at home and doing nothing but based on the ability that the spanish have demonstrated to deal with this I don't think there'll be gigs and festivals in spain this summer.

rubadub · 05-12-2020 6:00pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

If you can go the a cinema for the bones of 1.30-2hrs why cant you go to a socially distanced show/gig/play etc. At least give them a chance too and monitor how it is working out to see if it could slowly being the opening of the arts sector instead of just pushing it to the back.

The problem is thinking of one type of "gig".

Cinemas are mostly very similar, gigs & pubs are not. In other threads I was asking how you can legally differentiate between a quiet "rural auld lad pub" and a "city centre night club style pub". Some saying "ah shut up, nobody is asking for nightclubs to open, don't be stupid" but then going all quiet when asked about pubs which are basically nightclubs without the very late opening hours.

I have been at many "fully seated" gigs which were no such thing, and overwhelmed security if they tried to enforce it. I am no "party pooper" or whatever you might call it, I want to go to gigs but can fully understand why they would have reservations and be wary of people bending the rules -such as asking people to be fully seated knowing fine well it is never going to happen. Very difficult to try and put a legal definition on some things, so all fall under it.

I feel sorry for the pubs and concert venues where people actually would likely 100% comply with rules, like the pretty empty "rural auld lad pubs" or the likes of a sedate play or orchestra playing mozart in the concert hall.

The Nal · 06-12-2020 10:19am

Furious-Red wrote: »

If you can go the a cinema for the bones of 1.30-2hrs why cant you go to a socially distanced show/gig/play etc. A

People stay in the same seat in the cinema and dont sing and basically spit all over other people.

JustAThought · 06-12-2020 10:37am

The Nal wrote: »

People stay in the same seat in the cinema and dont sing and basically spit all over other people.

and there’s no mosh pit in bars now that they’ve done away with standing & ordering at the counter.

PTH2009 · 06-12-2020 6:46pm

Mr.S wrote: »

We need a tailored approached to events as the blanket ban doesn't make sense.

No reason why theatre shows can't go with limited capacity seating, ala cinemas. Same with seated concerts in the likes of NCH, Board Gais Theatre etc. I'm sure it will come down to operating costs and returns from limited attendance though, and it might not make sense to even run them.

I'd suspect in 2021 we will see those types of events go ahead, but normal gigs / concerts / festivals will still be cancelled. I can't see summer festivals happening in 2021.

Next year will all be about the vaccine rollout. It's hard to imagine anything major happening before that.

I went to see Paddy Casey in September and the layout was great. Social distancing seats, drinks pre ordered etc

Its disgraceful that there's no plan for gigs even when we do exit lockdown

Alan30 · 07-12-2020 12:09pm

We are very disappointed to announce that the Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 2021 UK and European tour can no longer go ahead due to the ongoing situation with Covid-19.

The complexity and scale of the tour we had planned, combined with the continued uncertainty around the pandemic means that despite the hard work of everyone involved we have not been able to guarantee that the shows can happen.

For information on refunds please contact your point of purchase.

We are continuing to work on alternative plans for 2021 and 2022 and hope to announce some better news next year.

Sending love to you all.

Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds.

Murph_D · 07-12-2020 1:29pm

Alan30 wrote: »

We are very disappointed to announce that the Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 2021 UK and European tour can no longer go ahead due to the ongoing situation with Covid-19.

The complexity and scale of the tour we had planned, combined with the continued uncertainty around the pandemic means that despite the hard work of everyone involved we have not been able to guarantee that the shows can happen.

For information on refunds please contact your point of purchase.

We are continuing to work on alternative plans for 2021 and 2022 and hope to announce some better news next year.

Sending love to you all.

Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds.

Ticketmaster still selling seats of course. Hopefully a pain free refund will be in the works. They've had our money long enough. :rolleyes:

PTH2009 · 07-12-2020 3:02pm

Genesis will deff be moved again to maybe next Autumn or 2022

****ing virus

hkjohn · 09-12-2020 9:55am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Genesis will deff be moved again to maybe next Autumn or 2022

****ing virus

Every cloud and all that...

Eod100 · 13-12-2020 4:10pm

Looks like there's test gigs/plays happening in NCH and Abbey this month so hopefully means a path to gigs returning in 2021.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/test-live-performances-to-take-place-in-national-concert-hall-and-abbey-theatre-1.4435584?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

PTH2009 · 18-12-2020 5:42pm

Guess I won't be going to the who in March and Genesis in April

Gloomtastic! · 23-12-2020 9:08am

I've had three emails from Allianz Insurance refunding me Ticketmaster event insurance. They're only about €8 each.

Don't think I paid insurance when I bought tickets. Scam?

Penfailed · 23-12-2020 11:50am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Guess I won't be going to the who in March and Genesis in April

Highly unlikely. I can't see any big events happening this side of the summer unfortunately.

PTH2009 · 28-12-2020 5:10pm

Penfailed wrote: »

Highly unlikely. I can't see any big events happening this side of the summer unfortunately.

Let's hope the vaccinations go well, it will be massively frustrating if we mass gatherings start to happen in other countries and us here still taking the cautions approach

With Dublin hosting 4 Euro 20/21 games it might accelerate the decision on mass gatherings. That would be massive for the irish economy

Another factor is do bands want to tour with restrictions ??. Most management companies will aim for the full €€€

Eod100 · 28-12-2020 6:22pm

Not sure was it Varadkar or Martin but seemed to be suggestion that events with large numbers wouldnt happen in first 6 months but depending on how many vaccinated might happen in second half of next year. Think Autumn 2021 was when lot of people in music industry in US predicted gigs would rerun at the start of all this. Hopefully sooner rather than later anyway once it's safe

Dr. Bre · 28-12-2020 9:07pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Let's hope the vaccinations go well, it will be massively frustrating if we mass gatherings start to happen in other countries and us here still taking the cautions approach

With Dublin hosting 4 Euro 20/21 games it might accelerate the decision on mass gatherings. That would be massive for the irish economy

Another factor is do bands want to tour with restrictions ??. Most management companies will aim for the full €€€

I reckon the euros will be behind closed doors.

PTH2009 · 28-12-2020 9:31pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

I reckon the euros will be behind closed doors.

Decision not been made til March

Have a ticket for one of the games and tbh would rather just get the refund for it

Eod100 · 03-01-2021 4:23pm

Mr.S wrote: »

I think we'd be very lucky to have large gatherings back by Summer 2021.

HSE have said they intend to complete the vaccination programme by August 2021 - that's assuming that nothing goes wrong or issue with stock.

That's before you take into account all the extra logistical headaches and potential increase in insurance - you'd imagine providers would be a little tetchy at providing insurance / or more likely charge insane premiums.

My best guess is that we'll see some sort of smaller events in H2 2021 before things start to "go back to normal" for 2022.

August seems very optimistic too unfortunately even aside from any issues

Exclamation Marc · 03-01-2021 4:52pm

Mr.S wrote: »

Plus if you take into account the majority of concert goers (assuming they are healthy) will be in the last two tiers to get the vaccine..

And the fact that touring crews won't necessarily be Irish so may not be vaccinated til long after.

PTH2009 · 03-01-2021 5:20pm

Hope I'm wrong but think my first and only concert of 2021 will be Elton John in December

Very possible no concerts this year too

Theres a curse on the Mega Hella and MCR shows

Eod100 · 03-01-2021 5:39pm

This is worth a read on it. Person from Aiken basically saying wouldn't happen until most people are vaccinated alright:

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2021-the-year-live-music-returns-1.4437611

Eod100 · 04-01-2021 7:04pm

Questions over Glastonbury which isn't too surprising

https://news.sky.com/story/glastonbury-2021-mel-b-claims-festival-has-been-cancelled-but-emily-eavis-says-no-news-yet-12179299

Zardoz · 04-01-2021 7:15pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Questions over Glastonbury which isn't too surprising

https://news.sky.com/story/glastonbury-2021-mel-b-claims-festival-has-been-cancelled-but-emily-eavis-says-no-news-yet-12179299

There is zero chance that Glastonbury is going ahead this year.
None

Eod100 · 04-01-2021 7:19pm

Zardoz wrote: »

There is zero chance that Glastonbury is going ahead this year.
None

Yup, just a matter of when it's officially cancelled really at this stage.

PTH2009 · 04-01-2021 7:26pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Yup, just a matter of when it's officially cancelled really at this stage.

Among other things too

****ing disaster

PTH2009 · 05-01-2021 3:14pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0105/1187800-micheal-martin-interview/

More or less eliminates summer gatherings

Maybe UK and Irish bands can play here cause of the location

Who knows really

Eod100 · 09-01-2021 1:46pm

Kilkenny Roots festival set to go ahead May bank holiday cancelled.

Say writing is on wall for lot of gigs/festivals between now and summer but interesting to see them cancel this far out.

https://www.facebook.com/KilkennyRootsFestival/posts/3530714243630783

hynesie08 · 09-01-2021 9:52pm

http://iradio.ie/festival-chief-hugely-optimistic-for-2021-festivals/

Dermot Desmond confident summer festivals will go ahead...... Big statement but realistically he knows the sum total of **** all, same as the rest of us.....

The Nal · 10-01-2021 12:33pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

http://iradio.ie/festival-chief-hugely-optimistic-for-2021-festivals/

Dermot Desmond confident summer festivals will go ahead...... Big statement but realistically he knows the sum total of **** all, same as the rest of us.....

Whatever hes smoking, Id like some.

Eod100 · 10-01-2021 1:23pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

http://iradio.ie/festival-chief-hugely-optimistic-for-2021-festivals/

Dermot Desmond confident summer festivals will go ahead...... Big statement but realistically he knows the sum total of **** all, same as the rest of us.....

“The return to business involves no social distance, and I see no reason why that can’t happen this summer,” Desmond said. There's a fine line between optimism and delusion but that seems fairly out of touch with reality tbh.

Zardoz · 11-01-2021 3:14pm

https://www.iq-mag.net/2021/01/fauci-live-shows-return-autumn-2021/

Fauci said for shows to return, between 70% and 85% of the US population would need to vaccinated against Covid-19. “If everything goes right, this is will occur some time in the fall [autumn] of 2021,” he explained, “so that by the time we get to the early to mid-fall, you can have people feeling safe performing on stage, as well as people in the audience.”

Fauci suggested that, should that vaccination goal be met, venues with good ventilation and proper air filters could open without social distancing – though some theatres may ask audience members to continue to wear masks.

Thats in the US but I suppose we should expect to see something similar here .
HSE rollout of the vaccine is very slow so 70-85% coverage could be a long way off yet.

Mimon · 11-01-2021 3:20pm

Probably no point booking All Together Now tickets. August may be too early. What do people reckon?

Annoyed at the Sugar Club. Was going to a gig there in March and got 4 tickets. There was an email to request a refund and no reply after several emails from me :mad:

Eod100 · 11-01-2021 3:43pm

Mimon wrote: »

Probably no point booking All Together Now tickets. August may be too early. What do people reckon?

Annoyed at the Sugar Club. Was going to a gig there in March and got 4 tickets. There was an email to request a refund and no reply after several emails from me :mad:

I don't see ATN happening this year unfortunately

damomaher · 11-01-2021 3:48pm

Outdoors will be easier , but no reason for attending a gig if have a vaccine and/or negative test

Ticketmaster working hard on cheap test on day of the gig , that is key , whether that saves festivals hard to know

Really depends on ability of our government to roll out vaccine , this im less confident on

PTH2009 · 11-01-2021 4:17pm

damomaher wrote: »

Outdoors will be easier , but no reason for attending a gig if have a vaccine and/or negative test

Ticketmaster working hard on cheap test on day of the gig , that is key , whether that saves festivals hard to know

Really depends on ability of our government to roll out vaccine , this im less confident on

I'll be very pissed if we see tours taking place in other countries but we're still in partial lockdown

Atm I'd take a few 3arena/olmypia shows for the Autumn/Winter.

Can see tickets selling very well when shows do return

damomaher · 11-01-2021 5:42pm

Guaranteed to be behind most countries , a) due to size ( pulling power) and b) our government doesnt have efficient civil service , organisational skills

By current roll out rates , it will take 2 years , UK will have 300k a day by tomorrow , we have 15k in total

Isreal will be finished by April

Realistically I think we will have most done by Sept and little expectation of travel / gigs pre then

Only way festivals go ahead is with Govn insurance as takes minimum 11 weeks to be ready , our Govn wont they will throw them a few bob instead

virginmediapls · 11-01-2021 5:46pm

damomaher wrote: »

Ticketmaster working hard on cheap test on day of the gig , that is key , whether that saves festivals hard to know

0% chance of this. Not feasible.

Ticketmaster/Livenation blowing hot air to try to protect their stock price.

The Nal · 11-01-2021 5:56pm

virginmediapls wrote: »

0% chance of this. Not feasible.

Indeed. Tested where and when? The morning/afternoon of the gig? Could easily get Covid somewhere else a few minutes after the test and then the gig is a super spreader event.

hynesie08 · 11-01-2021 6:01pm

damomaher wrote: »

Guaranteed to be behind most countries , a) due to size ( pulling power) and b) our government doesnt have efficient civil service , organisational skills

By current roll out rates , it will take 2 years , UK will have 300k a day by tomorrow , we have 15k in total

Isreal will be finished by April

Realistically I think we will have most done by Sept and little expectation of travel / gigs pre then

Only way festivals go ahead is with Govn insurance as takes minimum 11 weeks to be ready , our Govn wont they will throw them a few bob instead

"Current rollout rates"
These will change in the next week or so, and then again when more vaccines are improved and dosage amounts arrive, it's already being recalculated based on Pfizer approving a 6th vaccine from every vial. They're estimating 500,000 vaccines a week by July, and everything is going to plan so far.....

We've actually vaccinated over 50,000 people so far, and using Israel is a terrible example, since they're basically the Guinea pigs for large scale vaccination, also they're not giving the vaccine to palestine....... We'd be done quicker if we only vaccinated catholics.....

I think we can effectively write of festivals, but I think we'll see outdoor, socially distanced gigs during the summer....

Cancelled and Rescheduled gigs

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