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Yep, portable mode in Galaxy will be a problem: can't run, jump and collect/fire start bits at the same time with attached joycons.
Really think Galaxy 2 should be on there for the price. And it's a pity 64 and Sunshine are not 60FPS.
Apart from that, sounds like it works fine with detached joycons and pro controller according to Nintendo Life.
Think 64 still looks good. It doesn't have complex textures so it has aged pretty well.
Looking forward to see how they play
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It's disappointing because it's not a new Nintendo system + a kick ass Mario game for me.
I've been completely and utterly blessed with a new snes + world + allstars, a new N64 + mario 64, a new Wii + galaxy, a new Wii U + 3d world + mario u, and a new switch + odyssey (all my own money).
Not to mention gameboy with land and 3ds with 3d land.
So, how can this possibly be the same. Really it'd have to be a switch 2 + kick ass odyssey 2 to compare. 0 -
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If this was a Microsoft release on pc or xbone 1 of say Halo 1, 2 and 3 and they simply upscaled the original graphics to 1080p (or not even actually in some cases), using all the same menus etc as the original releases years and years ago on ancient consoles and added absolutely nothing (soundtracks I'm not counting) it would be given a 3 out of 10.
Looking at the Bioshock collection, it's certainly true to say the launch price doesn't compare well. And I expect we can forget about any significant level of discounts for at least a year, if at all.
The actual remastering/porting aspect also won't compare well, but tbh on that front I'll wait until I see what it looks like before deciding to get up in arms about it. This ain't going to be the first time I play an emulated Mario game, 2D or 3D
Given the pricing of the Link's Awakening remaster, I personally prefer this approach and would not have even considered buying if it was £50 for each game (but remastered).
The limited release is absolute arsegravy and can definitely do one.
The flipside of all of this is that Nintendo's standard for Mario games has been sufficiently and consistently high that a bunch of folk are willing to pay full price for this collection, in the same way that BotW is well-received enough that Nintendo can get away with still charging full launch price for it 3 years on.0 -
Looking at the Bioshock collection, it's certainly true to say the launch price doesn't compare well. And I expect we can forget about any significant level of discounts for at least a year, if at all.
The actual remastering/porting aspect also won't compare well, but tbh on that front I'll wait until I see what it looks like before deciding to get up in arms about it. This ain't going to be the first time I play an emulated Mario game, 2D or 3D
Given the pricing of the Link's Awakening remaster, I personally prefer this approach and would not have even considered buying if it was £50 for each game (but remastered).
The limited release is absolute arsegravy and can definitely do one.
The flipside of all of this is that Nintendo's standard for Mario games has been sufficiently and consistently high that a bunch of folk are willing to pay full price for this collection, in the same way that BotW is well-received enough that Nintendo can get away with still charging full launch price for it 3 years on.
BoTW is one of the best games ever made and offers literally 100's of hours of content if one was so inclined.
These are 24, 18 and 13 year old games with nothing added except upscaling and don't offer that sort of value.
They are good games but lets not let this be glossed over just because it's Nintendo.
If another publisher did this with so little effort they would be derided.
you could point to something on switch like crash bandicoot collection - 3 games, remastered - £30
now you could argue how they compare to these mario games but some effort was put in and it's a lot cheaper.0 -
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Honestly, i dont play Mario for the graphics, so once it handles well i couldnt give a fook.. If it looks bad ill just play hand held and wont be able to see the faults.
I ordered mine off Amazon, so wont get it until next week, im in no rush though my switch back log is atrocious, i still havent played most of odyssey
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I have to wait for Smyths tomorrow and, even then, I'll be picking it up on the way home from work
Honestly, it makes no difference to me if it's a remaster, a port or emulated.
As long as it runs well and lets me play games I have loved, heck I still own them in their original form, I will be quite happy.
And the inclusion of the soundtracks is a nice touch as well.
Perhaps there are some DLC based surprised yet to be seen, even if not the pack is worth the admission price.
Some of the arguments about other franchise trilogies selling for less, well, while I can see what you mean in terms of content let's not forget that these are three of the greatest 3D platformers of all time...0 -
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Why were people even expecting these to not be emulated? As opposed to what? a total remake from the ground up? I think people need to be realistic.
Nintendo wouldn't release something like the Crash remake because that game ultimately screwed up the physics. Nintendo make sure their games play exactly as they did on release and the easiest and best way to do that is with a good emulator.
Also this is a N64 and Gamecube emulator. Two very difficult systems to emulate. You can point to fan emulation like Dolphin or the numerous N64 emulators but the fact of the matter is, they aren't perfect and in the case of N64 emulation they aren't great at all. There would have been a lot of effort put into making these emulators and getting them to run the games as close to the original hardware as possible.
People need to realise releasing these games isn't a zero effort production like downloading an emulator and roms.
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Well how about forget remastering - there are plenty of other issues ignored.
How come zero effort to address the clunky junk camera in Mario 64? - imo that is just unplayable by today's standards - it's something that just has to be updated
Sunshine - very mixed historical legacy on this piece- put it in there if you want but it's not Nintendo's best work
Galaxy 2 should have been included
Handheld controls for Galaxy don't seem to be ideal - seems like a better solution could have been found imo and impacts the experience. Not exactly appealing for switch lite owners having to use the touchscreen / thumbstick and button combo
Everything you mention is not an easy fix. It involves either tinkering with raw binary code in the rom or complete source ports. Two things that are incredibly difficult to carry out and massively time consuming to the point where you would be better off making the games from scratch. There's way too many armchair coders on clickbait sites that seem to think emulating a game is as tough as downloading roms.
As for Mario 64's camera making it unplayable? Pure Hyperbole.
As for including Mario Sunshine? They are making available a game that hasn't been available since the original release. I don't see why this is a bad thing.
As for not including Mario Galaxy 2? OK, fair enough there.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »Everything you mention is not an easy fix. It involves either tinkering with raw binary code in the rom or complete source ports. Two things that are incredibly difficult to carry out and massively time consuming to the point where you would be better off making the games from scratch. There's way too many armchair coders on clickbait sites that seem to think emulating a game is as tough as downloading roms.
As for Mario 64's camera making it unplayable? Pure Hyperbole.
As for including Mario Sunshine? They are making available a game that hasn't been available since the original release. I don't see why this is a bad thing.
As for not including Mario Galaxy 2? OK, fair enough there.
as I said before, amateur hackers have ALREADY managed to put a right-stick analog camera capability into Mario 64....
and what are you talking about binary code
- Mario 64 was written in a high-level language -> C to be exact . https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/ccx6yz/super_mario_64_decompiled/
and the controls for Galaxy seem messy at best - they had to code those controls anyway to release the thing but don't seem to have made a good job of it.0 -
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as I said before, amateur hackers have ALREADY managed to put a right-stick analog camera capability into Mario 64....
and what are you talking about binary code - Mario 64 was written in a high-level language -> C to be exact . https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/ccx6yz/super_mario_64_decompiled/
and the controls for Galaxy seem messy at best - they had to code those controls anyway to release the thing but don't seem to have made a good job of it.
Amateur hackers took years to implement that hack and no telling what it breaks in the game.
As for Mario 64 being written in C that's all well and good if you have the source code. It's all compiled into binary for the room and if you are romhacking then you are dealing with binary.
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I'd hazard a guess that Nintendo might have access to the Mario 64 source code.
In fairness you don't know how long it took in man-hours for hackers to implement the analog camera
Seems they do have it still on file if the recent leaks are anything to go by. But also that doesn't trivialise what a massive undertaking a source port would be. a Mario 64 source port would be a full price game on its own.
And you can take a pretty good guess that the second analogue hack took a huge amount of time and effort going by the hackers notes and also how long it actually took to be released and how much of a bodge job it had to be to get working.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »Seems they do have it still on file if the recent leaks are anything to go by. But also that doesn't trivialise what a massive undertaking a source port would be. a Mario 64 source port would be a full price game on its own.
And you can take a pretty good guess that the second analogue hack took a huge amount of time and effort going by the hackers notes and also how long it actually took to be released and how much of a bodge job it had to be to get working.
The analog camera hack was less than 100 lines of code (excluding the white space)
see video below re hack
here is the source code for the hack (from link in youtube)
https://pastebin.com/punH7Fdg
there is no excusing Nintendo's complete half-arsery here.
and anyone suggesting that they don't have the source code - that's rubbish.
and even amateurs were able to decompile it as shown https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/ccx6yz/super_mario_64_decompiled/
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RocketRaccoon wrote: »Isn't it very simple, if you don't like the game then don't buy it. There's no need to bore the arse off the rest of us going on about binary and source codes hacking.
well some posters were coming out with absolutely bonkers untrue statements so why don't I have the chance to refute them in the discussion?
If you have no interest just don't read it m8.
the Mario 64 Source Code (with others) was leaked so if Nintendo lost it they can just get it from the internet :pac:
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