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Swimming for Tri Beginners

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭and still ricky villa


    I'm using the label printer in work and sticking them to my bottle. By the time I'm finished they're wet enough to peel off! (4 swims a week to catch up, halfway through week 3)


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 Bart86


    Day 1
    200 easy
    4*50 k with board (rest at each wall if needed)
    4*50 fingertip
    4*50 pb
    4*50 pb & fist - I could´t not move forward...
    4*50 fist
    100m MAX 2:00 min
    4*50 fingertip
    4*50 pb
    4*50 swim. as I could not managed pb & fist before
    4*50 fist, much better than the first 4*50
    100m MAX : 2:00 min
    200 swim down

    I did 100m, 10 seconds slower than last month!!! :( .. I may need to find some time to hit the pool to work with more drills.

    Day 2
    200 easy
    4*50 k with board (rest at each wall if needed)
    4*100 off 2:40 (easy pace)
    1 min rest
    4*100 off 2:30 (moderate pace)
    1 min rest
    4*100 off 2:20 (steady pace)
    1 min rest
    4*100 off 2:10 (fast pace, but not flat out)
    1 min rest
    200 easy

    wrecked with 4*100 (fast pace)



    100m Time Trial|Nov '14|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
    ainsyjnr|1:47|1:38||||||
    strummer_ie|2:10|||||||
    career move|2:49|2:38|2:32|||||
    Rainbow Kirby|1:57*|1:53||||||
    ToTriOrNot |2:09|||||||
    bart86 |1:51|1.48|2:00|||||


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Kander


    I just stuff a piece of paper into an old latex swim hat. Works for me though I like the sounds of the freezer bag option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    Week 11Day 2
    200m warmup
    4*(25 kick, 25 catch-up)Felt comfortable
    3*200m easy pace, 20 secs restno problem
    3*200m steady pace, 20 secs rest tiring, very tired toward the end
    3*200m fast pace, 20 sec reststarted fine but fatigued quickly
    (the idea is each set of 3 is about 10 secs or so faster than the previous)
    400m pb rest time but still tiring
    100m kickNo problem kicks feel ok
    200m swim down


    No major issues today other than pacing I need to invest in a watch of some sort. I can go slow very well ;) Legs felt tired but had a spin class yesterday so probably that. Hip flexor are tight so a bit more stretching/rolling required.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭and still ricky villa


    I'm still behind the rest of the class but am loving the sessions and catching up slowly with 4 swims a week.
    Based on a rough TT I did in November I've shaved 10 seconds off this morning so am delighted and really starting to feel the difference.
    Thanks for posting Kurt and please keep it up, I know there are more using these sessions than are replying here


    100m Time Trial|Nov '14|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
    ainsyjnr|1:47|1:38||||||
    strummer_ie|2:10|||||||
    career move|2:49|2:38|2:32|||||
    Rainbow Kirby|1:57*|1:53||||||
    ToTriOrNot |2:09|||||||
    bart86 |1:51|1.48|2:00|||||
    andstillrickyvilla |2:38|||||||


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Day 3 - Done

    Shoulders and arms were more than a little tired.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Week 12

    Day 1
    200m warmup
    4*50 kick 20 sec rest
    4*50 as 25 MAX, 25 easy, 15s rest
    Main set: Over/Under what your steady pace would be
    4*400, alternate each 25 fast/25 easy. 1 min rest between the 400's
    200 swim down, alternate backstroke/choice

    Day 2
    200m warmup
    4*(25 kick, 25 catch-up)
    4*200m easy pace, 20 secs rest
    4*200m steady pace, 20 secs rest
    4*200m fast pace, 20 sec rest
    (the idea is each set of 4 is about 10 secs or so faster than the previous)
    100m kick
    200m swim down (incorporate some easy backstroke)

    Day 3
    200m warmup
    400m steady
    30s rest
    600pb steady
    30s rest
    800m steady
    30s rest
    600pb steady
    30s rest
    400m steady
    30s rest
    200 warm down alternate backstroke/choice

    Quite a few people have mentioned shoulder pain lately- backstroke at the end of a set can help.

    Weekly-freebie-bonus: 1 min plank, done at any time of the day, every day this week :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Steroo wrote: »
    Q: When going to the pool to do the drills are we working from Memory or taking something out with us to remember the sets etc?

    I write sets on a record card. Pack of 100 cards is about 1.50 so lasts for ages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    Day 3
    200m warmup
    100m kick
    50m fist
    100m pb
    50m fist
    200m pb
    50m fist
    300m pb
    50m fist
    400m pb
    50m fist
    500m pb
    100m swim down
    Be aware of the limited arm area for catch that a fist drill gives. Compare that to the increased area when you can use your hand during the pb swims.

    Enjoy :)

    Did this one on Monday (modified for a 30m pool - 180 swim, 120 kick, 60 fist, 120 pb, 60 fist, 180 pb, 60 fist, 300 pb, 60 fist, 420 pb, 60 fist, 480 pb, 120 backstroke to wind out the shoulders at the end). The last couple of 60 fist reps felt a bit like swimming through jelly...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭and still ricky villa


    Feedback

    Just back from week 5 - Day 1 - 'streamlined means less drag' and noticed such a better feel for the water.
    Really concentrated on lying on top of the water and when things started to feel choppy just repeated the mantra until things flattened down again.
    Everything seemed to feel better and more controlled. I'm still slow but can feel myself improving and had no issues completing the set.
    Really enjoying this and sorry I didn't start with everyone else but I'll catch up eventually :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭career move


    As one of the people complaining about sore arms, I've found that adding in the backstroke this week has really helped. Thanks Kurt :D Oh and I'm 4/4 for the 1min plank :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    'streamlined means less drag'

    Great to hear that works for you- I used it myself tonight after reading your post, to good effect.

    As one of the people complaining about sore arms, I've found that adding in the backstroke this week has really helped. Thanks Kurt :D Oh and I'm 4/4 for the 1min plank :D

    Good that it helped- our Masters coach is a big believer in this.

    Hope everyone is doing their daily planks! At this stage, a solid core will work wonders for your swimming.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 Bart86


    Week 10

    Day 3
    200m warm up
    4*50 kick
    50 ripple
    50 catch up
    50 armpit
    50 fist
    30 min TT (swim as far as you can in 30 minutes, record the distance. Steady pacing throughout- if you find your form dropping as you tire, try to slow down and regain better form)
    200m choice swim down

    Done tonight, 1200 meters in 30 min TT(Not sure if i could go faster, I didn´t want to burn myself out at the beginning), Kept focus on form. I will start doing some planks..hopefully it will help me to keep my form longer while swimming.

    I also had shoulder pain few week ago...,Warm up/cool down with backstroke, it helps me a lot!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Steroo


    Right so I'm back on Week 1 but I said I'd give some input anyway. last week was a write off with viral infection.

    Day 1
    200 easy - ok
    4*50 k with board (rest at each wall if needed) - ok but used fins
    4*50 fingertip - forgot to write this on my drill list so missed it & did it Day 2
    4*50 pb - first time with PB & found it very strange but liked it as it kept the legs up
    4*50 armpit tap - struggled with balance & form - put fins on after first set & could focus on arms again, still difficult enough
    4*50 sw - ok
    200 swim down - cut this short as I was out of time


    Day 2
    200 easy - ok
    4*50 k with board (rest at each wall if needed) - done with fins, could feel how my legs should be working as opposed to how they usually work, found I was actually swimming off centre probably highlight a weakness or imbalance
    4*50 fingertip (Day 1) - with fins, found it ok but noticed left arm struggled more.
    3*100 off 2:40 - found this okay, was getting back at around 2:30 & taking a 10 second break after 50
    1 min rest
    3*100 off 2:30 - found this okay, was getting back at around 2:30 still & taking a 10 second break after 50
    1 min rest
    3*100 off 2:20 - started to really feel a rhythm here, had to alternate to breathing to one side a few times this day to keep the breathing going.
    1 min rest
    3*100 off 2:10 - didin't get to this, ran out of time & doubt I'd get near the 2:10 anyway.
    1 min rest
    200 easy - did 50 backstroke & 50 Breaskstroke

    Shoulder was a little sore the evening time.

    Day 3 Was supplemented with a Club session.

    Glad to be involved now. Will rest the shoulder & get back at it monday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Week 13- kick focus

    Day 1
    400m warm up
    150m Back flutter
    150m Dolphin kick on back
    150m Front Flutter 1 hand on board
    150m Front Flutter 2 hands on board
    150m Side Flutter
    150m Side Flutter alternating sides
    400m choice warm-down

    See this video for details:


    Day 2
    200m warm up
    4*50 kick, 15 sec rest
    200 sw
    400 pb
    600 sw
    600 pb
    400 sw
    200 pb
    200 warm down choice

    Day 3
    Repeat day 1

    A tough, kick focused week. Make sure you have fluids with you, keep hydrating (450ml water, 50ml tonic water, pinch of salt, pinch of sugar for a home-mode drink). Study the video beforehand- notice how the swimmers toes are pointed, this is what you aim for when kicking. Take 15-30sec rest in between the kick sets, and don't worry about speed. I'd expect a lot of complaints about this week, but persevere through the sessions. Next week will be nicer ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    :eek::eek::eek::eek:

    I think I maybe be coming down with man flu. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭career move


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    :eek::eek::eek::eek:

    I think I maybe be coming down with man flu. :D

    I think I maybe too :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    I think I maybe too :eek:

    Terrible dose altogether :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭and still ricky villa


    Sod that lads. I'm still catching up so have weeks to 'look forward' to this. A big wet pool Sufferfest :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    **Caveat to Week 13**

    As I stated in the opening post, my swim training credentials are transparent, mainly because they don't exist. So with that in mind...

    There is a purpose to this week, and its to emphasise the importance of good legwork in the water. However, there is no point in crippling anyone, so don't do the kicks the same day as you do running hillwork, or intervals. If you cramp, stop and massage out the cramp. If you want, reduce the kick intervals to 100's. If your legs are too sore for day3, substitute another session of drills from a different week.

    The point is- I recognise this might be a tough week, for reasons other than HTFU. Be sensible if you are in pain, or are constantly cramping, and use your own judgement if you should complete or not, rather than some unknown guy on the internet. I hope and expect everyone can do both kick sessions, but because of the different training structures people have, more common sense than usual is required on what the individual can or will do this week.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭career move


    Sod that lads. I'm still catching up so have weeks to 'look forward' to this. A big wet pool Sufferfest :(

    At least when your struggling through sets you'll be able to say to yourself "no matter how bad I feel, it's nothing compared to those poor suckers on Week 13" ;):D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭Bambaata


    With regard kicking, id be interested in people's kicking method. Do you kick to the same beat throughout or do you kick to a a set beat?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭career move


    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    Week 13- kick focus

    Day 1
    400m warm up
    150m Back flutter
    150m Dolphin kick on back
    150m Front Flutter 1 hand on board
    150m Front Flutter 2 hands on board
    150m Side Flutter
    150m Side Flutter alternating sides
    400m choice warm-down

    I really enjoyed this but I got confused and I forgot to do the side flutter. I found the side flutter alternating sides the hardest. It was hard to stay high in the water and breathing was a bit tricky. The dolphin kick was my favourite :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Bambaata wrote: »
    With regard kicking, id be interested in people's kicking method. Do you kick to the same beat throughout or do you kick to a a set beat?

    I think I've got guilty feet when it comes to kicking. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Bambaata wrote: »
    With regard kicking, id be interested in people's kicking method. Do you kick to the same beat throughout or do you kick to a a set beat?

    Not sure what answer others will give, but just to say I wouldn't expect novice swimmers to follow any specific kick beat at this stage. The main purpose of kick drills at this stage (as I see it) is to correct sinking legs, to point the foot, to reduce drag, and to feed into a better overall body position. Whatever works, is the correct beat for the moment, anything beyond that might be too advanced at this stage.

    Do you use structured kick patterns yourself, Bambaata? I use a steady 6-beat myself, but it sort of developed by its own accord, and its not something I'd think too much about. I'd rarely drag the legs in a 2-beat at all anymore. The amount of intensity used in the kick would change depending on what point the race is at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Tried the day 2 there last night but ended up having to cut it short - right foot and calf cramped together late on in the longest swim rep and I abandoned ship 420m into the longest PB rep because it kept twinging when I was pushing away from the wall. Am still getting over a bit of a bug from last week which probably doesn't help matters.

    In terms of kick patterns - the coach of my Friday evening session has always tried to encourage us to use a 6 beat kick. We're coached as pool swimmers rather than in a tri/OW way because most of her coaching is with a masters club.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭and still ricky villa


    Found this today. Might help some with streamlining. Explains why I get nowhere pushing off the wall.
    I'm not allowed post links so you'll have to YouTube - "Swimisodes - Swimming Streamline"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QAHUEGPSAA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    Not sure what answer others will give, but just to say I wouldn't expect novice swimmers to follow any specific kick beat at this stage. The main purpose of kick drills at this stage (as I see it) is to correct sinking legs, to point the foot, to reduce drag, and to feed into a better overall body position. Whatever works, is the correct beat for the moment, anything beyond that might be too advanced at this stage.

    Body position should not required the kick to fix it. If it does then the persons balance in the water is all wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    tunney wrote: »
    Body position should not required the kick to fix it. If it does then the persons balance in the water is all wrong.

    I'm taking the assumption most beginners balance in the water is all wrong! I see people in my local pool all the time with dropped legs, noticeable bent knees, toes pointing down to the floor. Their position would be greatly improved by a proper kick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    I'm taking the assumption most beginners balance in the water is all wrong! I see people in my local pool all the time with dropped legs, noticeable bent knees, toes pointing down to the floor. Their position would be greatly improved by a proper kick.

    Or their position would be greatly improved by working on their balance - using drills.

    I'm not as good at them as tango but once you grasp what you *should* be able to do it changes everything.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    This might be of interest as a mid-term goal for some here. Swim Ireland will have their "Swim for a Mile"* day Nationwide, the 3rd week in May. Details here. There will be coaching clinics held a month before the event, which might be handy to get someone qualified to give your stroke the once-over. Cost to register for SFAM is €25.

    *Swim for a Mile=
    =1,600m
    =50m Pool – 32 lengths
    =25m pool – 64 lengths
    =20m pool – 80 lengths
    =Sprint distance*2.13
    =Oly*1.067
    =HIM*0.842
    =IM*0.421


  • Registered Users Posts: 615 ✭✭✭KillianByrne


    Back operation done, getting into some 'careful' exercise again. Looking forward to starting back in here again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Steroo


    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    This might be of interest as a mid-term goal for some here. Swim Ireland will have their "Swim for a Mile"* day Nationwide, the 3rd week in May. Details here. There will be coaching clinics held a month before the event, which might be handy to get someone qualified to give your stroke the once-over. Cost to register for SFAM is €25.

    *Swim for a Mile=
    =1,600m
    =50m Pool – 32 lengths
    =25m pool – 64 lengths
    =20m pool – 80 lengths
    =Sprint distance*2.13
    =Oly*1.067
    =HIM*0.842
    =IM*0.421

    REgistered ;) Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭and still ricky villa


    Just did the 20 minute time trial from Week 6. Disappointing to say the least but I swam this morning too and may be pushing it a bit.
    For anyone else catching up, make sure you're fresh for any 'test' days.

    Funnily enough, I was quicker/more consistent in the cool down than the main set
    Any how, onward and upward. 100m TT on Monday.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Just did the 20 minute time trial from Week 6. Disappointing to say the least but I swam this morning too and may be pushing it a bit.
    For anyone else catching up, make sure you're fresh for any 'test' days.

    Funnily enough, I was quicker/more consistent in the cool down than the main set
    Any how, onward and upward. 100m TT on Monday.......

    Focus on swimming strong rather than swimming fast.

    For newbies swimming fast means high turnover, which means dropped elbows, no leverage, no traction, no push.

    Swimming strong means catching the water, holding it and pushing it out the back.

    One approach is all show no go.
    The other is all go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Just did the 20 minute time trial from Week 6. Disappointing to say the least but I swam this morning too and may be pushing it a bit.
    For anyone else catching up, make sure you're fresh for any 'test' days.

    Funnily enough, I was quicker/more consistent in the cool down than the main set
    Any how, onward and upward. 100m TT on Monday.......


    The 20 min TT is intended as a marker to look back on. It's too far for newbies to be swimming really (as a test), and I put it in there to show up the limitations of swimming for distance at this stage. You learned what happens to your swim when you do a straight 20, and you're not happy with that... "onward and upward" is the correct response.

    Drills and shorter reps are the meat of the program at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭woody1


    tunney wrote: »
    Focus on swimming strong rather than swimming fast.

    For newbies swimming fast means high turnover, which means dropped elbows, no leverage, no traction, no push.

    Swimming strong means catching the water, holding it and pushing it out the back.

    One approach is all show no go.
    The other is all go.

    im at beginner level or slower than some here actualy but i think this is the key in the long term... i probably need to up my stroke rate a bit but i can do that after i get the technique nailed.. any time i end up with high turnover im just chopping at the water losing my breath and going nowhere..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭career move


    Week 13

    Day 1
    400m fc/backstroke
    150m Back flutter
    150m Dolphin kick on back
    150m Front Flutter 1 hand on board
    150m Front Flutter 2 hands on board
    150m Side Flutter forgot to do this
    150m Side Flutter alternating sides
    400m pb .... thought the legs could use a break


    Day 2
    200m fc/backstroke
    4*50 kick, 15 sec rest
    200 sw
    400 pb
    600 sw
    600 pb
    400 sw
    200 pb
    200 warm down choice

    When I was using the pb I alternated breathing on 3 and 5

    Day 3
    Repeat day 1

    Found the drills easier the second time. I like them because they're less monotonous than just doing 4 x 50 kick. I find the side flutter the hardest. Difficult to breathe if you haven't rotated onto your side enough and I found it hard to keep a straight line.

    Day 4

    200m fc/backstroke
    4*50 kick 100 w 2 hands on board, 100 w 1 hand
    200 sw
    400 pb
    550 sw miscounted
    600 pb
    400 sw
    400 pb
    350 backstroke

    Did an extra swim because I haven't been able to run this week because I hurt my foot. Swimming doesn't affect it thankfully :D I practised breathing on 3 and on 5 again with the pb and I practised the other drills as well (ripple, armpit and thigh tap)

    Make sure you have fluids with you, keep hydrating (450ml water, 50ml tonic water, pinch of salt, pinch of sugar for a home-mode drink). Didn't bother with this .... I don't think I swim fast enough to get dehydrated :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Hope everyone enjoyed the kick week :D This week its more familiar territory, the focus will be on a good catch and pull. We've been doing the drills for ages, you are well used to them, but I'm going to take a timeout to expand on what your catch and pull should be about.

    Catch and Pull: this is your engine, the essential part to make you move through the water. Swimmers at all levels spend thousands of hours refining, readdressing, fixing, elements of their C&P. In the absence of a dedicated coach showing you correct C&P, some of these analogies might be helpful:

    Your hand entry should be as though you were spearing a small fish ahead of you just under the water.

    Imagine you are lying face down in snow, and trying to pull yourself forward- you arm digs into the snow and propels you onwards.

    Your forearm is a fulcrum- it stays still in the water at it levers your body forward.

    Imagine you are pulling from your wrist.

    You are swimming in a pool full of inflatable beachballs. With each stroke, you are scooping a ball under the water, and back out behind you.

    Pull is just that, pulling with your hand- if entering with a flat hand was the right thing to do, it would be called "push".

    As your hand exits the water, show your palm to a person behind you.

    Sometimes flicking your thumb to thigh as you exit can ensure you don't exit too early.

    Day 1
    200 easy
    4*100 as (25m pb, 25m kick (use your pb as a board), 25m pb, 25m kick, 15 sec rest)
    Main set:
    50 fingertip
    50 fist
    50 pb
    50 armpit tap
    50 sw
    ^Repeat 4-6 times, concentrating on good form rather than speed.
    8*25 (breath every 3 strokes first 25, breath every 5 next 25, and repeat. Full rest/recovery for as long as you want at each wall. Do these very slow, very controlled, focus on exhaling smoothly and constantly)
    200 swim down

    Day 2
    200 warm up
    6*50 kick (without the board if you can)
    4*400pb, 20s rest, all done steady pace, think about good entry, catch, pull, exit.
    400 choice

    Day 3
    200 warm up
    6*50 kick (without the board if you can)
    200pb
    2*100sw, 15s rest
    300pb
    3*100sw, 15s rest
    400pb
    4*100sw, 15s rest
    400 choice


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  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭ToTriOrNot


    Kurt Godel wrote: »

    Catch and Pull: this is your engine, the essential part to make you move through the water. Swimmers at all levels spend thousands of hours refining, readdressing, fixing, elements of their C&P. In the absence of a dedicated coach showing you correct C&P, some of these analogies might be helpful:

    Your hand entry should be as though you were spearing a small fish ahead of you just under the water.

    Imagine you are lying face down in snow, and trying to pull yourself forward- you arm digs into the snow and propels you onwards.

    Your forearm is a fulcrum- it stays still in the water at it levers your body forward.

    Imagine you are pulling from your wrist.

    You are swimming in a pool full of inflatable beachballs. With each stroke, you are scooping a ball under the water, and back out behind you.

    Pull is just that, pulling with your hand- if entering with a flat hand was the right thing to do, it would be called "push".

    As your hand exits the water, show your palm to a person behind you.

    Sometimes flicking your thumb to thigh as you exit can ensure you don't exit too early.

    I have just started one on one sessions with a swimming coach, and this is what she had me doing. Apparently while I can swim, my pull is not existent. Well, after just 30 mins lesson, I have a better understanding of what the pull is about. The way you describe we should be like, it's exactly how I felt. Now to make sure I remember and become consistent with it, as the coach says, when in the group, when things get a bit faster, my stroke falls apart as I try to keep up...but working on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    Hope everyone enjoyed the kick week :D This week its more familiar territory, the focus will be on a good catch and pull. We've been doing the drills for ages, you are well used to them, but I'm going to take a timeout to expand on what your catch and pull should be about.

    Catch and Pull: this is your engine, the essential part to make you move through the water. Swimmers at all levels spend thousands of hours refining, readdressing, fixing, elements of their C&P. In the absence of a dedicated coach showing you correct C&P, some of these analogies might be helpful:

    Your hand entry should be as though you were spearing a small fish ahead of you just under the water.

    Imagine you are lying face down in snow, and trying to pull yourself forward- you arm digs into the snow and propels you onwards.

    Your forearm is a fulcrum- it stays still in the water at it levers your body forward.

    Imagine you are pulling from your wrist.

    You are swimming in a pool full of inflatable beachballs. With each stroke, you are scooping a ball under the water, and back out behind you.

    Pull is just that, pulling with your hand- if entering with a flat hand was the right thing to do, it would be called "push".

    As your hand exits the water, show your palm to a person behind you.

    Sometimes flicking your thumb to thigh as you exit can ensure you don't exit too early.

    As my 6 year old tells me, Dad you got to reach forward, catch the fish and put it in your pocket :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭and still ricky villa


    Woo hoo hoo hoo!

    A happy bunny this morning. First TT was quickest as I made some schoolboy errors in the 2nd one (reaching for walls I hadn't got to yet) :D
    I repeated the TT day from Week 3 so it would be realistic as this TT was Christmas week


    100m Time Trial|Nov '14|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
    ainsyjnr|1:47|1:38||||||
    strummer_ie|2:10|||||||
    career move|2:49|2:38|2:32|||||
    Rainbow Kirby|1:57*|1:53||||||
    ToTriOrNot |2:09|||||||
    bart86 |1:51|1.48|2:00|||||
    andstillrickyvilla |2:38|2:23||||||


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭and still ricky villa


    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    This might be of interest as a mid-term goal for some here. Swim Ireland will have their "Swim for a Mile"* day Nationwide, the 3rd week in May. Details here. There will be coaching clinics held a month before the event, which might be handy to get someone qualified to give your stroke the once-over. Cost to register for SFAM is €25.

    Feck it, I'm in. Anything for a t-shirt that mentions an achievement but not the specifics of how you did.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Steroo


    I'm in same boat as andstillrickyvilla I just did week 3 TT session. I was very apprehensive & had to stop briefly the fist time but not the 2nd. First go was 1:56 & second was 1:52 so I'm happy with that ;)
    Hope I did the table right.

    100m Time Trial|Nov '14|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
    ainsyjnr|1:47|1:38||||||
    strummer_ie|2:10|||||||
    career move|2:49|2:38|2:32|||||
    Rainbow Kirby|1:57*|1:53||||||
    ToTriOrNot |2:09|||||||
    bart86 |1:51|1.48|2:00|||||
    andstillrickyvilla |2:38|2:23||||||
    steroo ||||1:52||||


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    That's pretty good - didn't you say you had trouble finishing a length a few weeks ago?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Steroo


    MojoMaker wrote: »
    That's pretty good - didn't you say you had trouble finishing a length a few weeks ago?

    Thanks, yea I had to stop each length for a breather. but I've been at it 4/5 days a week since & doing plenty of drills & getting some coach guidance so it's working slowly but surely. But the Bilateral Breathing went out the window for this TT not sure if that's normal? I was all to one side.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Steroo wrote: »
    Thanks, yea I had to stop each length for a breather. but I've been at it 4/5 days a week since & doing plenty of drills & getting some coach guidance so it's working slowly but surely. But the Bilateral Breathing went out the window for this TT not sure if that's normal? I was all to one side.

    That's great progress, well done. The one-on-one must have paid off big time.

    Rule of thumb for a TT; get the oxygen in any way possible! So breathing every 2 is fine for a TT- just make sure you do most of your swimming bilateral.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Steroo


    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    That's great progress, well done. The one-on-one must have paid off big time.

    Rule of thumb for a TT; get the oxygen in any way possible! So breathing every 2 is fine for a TT- just make sure you do most of your swimming bilateral.

    Thanks Kurt. And thanks for your overall work on this thread it's a great help to so many of us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Please stick down your-reach-for-the-sky SWIM goals for 2015... these should be your "dream out load" aims, best case scenario swim achievements :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Complete an IM-distance swim, HIM swim under 40 minutes, get my 100m TT time down into the 1:40s and 400m down to low 7s.


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