Arlene foster to attend ulster final

Dyr · 24-06-2018 5:49pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Obviously not,unless Fermanagh are putting an over 55s team out. Nonetheless, it would be a pretty safe bet to say that somebody on the Fermanagh county board had a hand in it. You know that, I know that and she certainly knows that. Geebag as she is, I think she's a humble and brave woman to attend the last two games.

I don't know that and if I thought I did I'd wonder about my mental health.
Do you think it came up at a committee meeting after the minor fixtures?

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 5:51pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Wherein do I "cod" myself that? Fake it until you make it, if that's the way progress can be made.

You're apparently here to scoff at and to minimise what (little enough!) the unionists have done for reconciliation, and to rue nationalists having done as much as they have. Nothing realistic about that. Just reactionary and unreconstructedly partisan.

Pretending that a woman who was quite happy to insult and jibe a few months ago (and whose party members personally insulted Irish ministers) is genuine in her attendance today is codding yourself. IMO.

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 5:53pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Pretending that a woman who was quite happy to insult and jibe a few months ago (and whose party members personally insulted Irish ministers) is genuine in her attendance today is codding yourself. IMO.

What if she's wanting to show leadership for others to reach out

There was no political pressure for her to attend?

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 5:55pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

It's not a conspiracy, a conspiracy is saying Aliens are underneath Area51. It's perfectly obvious to see the GAA is nationalist in nature and has grounds named after nationalists. What is wrong with pointing out the obvious and just factual information? Which I have no issue with at all. Fair play to them, that is what they believe and as a Unionist I have to respect them for being up front about it. It's just odd seeing some not wanting to acknowledge it as if something is wrong with it.

The GAA is not a 'nationalist' organisation and welcomes all creeds and political persuasions for years and years now.
People like Arlene were quite happy to perpetuate the myth though. i.e. conspiracy theories.

*They have grounds named after all sorts of people btw. The town nearest to Arlene's birthplace hosts the Ulster final and the pitch is called after the same person the local Protestant church is - St. Tiernach.

It's perfectly obvious the history of the GAA is nationalist. It supports nationalist causes. https://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/the-gaa-and-the-development-of-nationalism/

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 5:55pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

What if she's wanting to show leadership for others to reach out

There was no political pressure for her to attend?

How do you know there wasn't?

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 5:58pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How do you know there wasn't?

Because for political prssire to be applied would require it to be publically known....otherwise it's ineffective and pointless??

I think it was a nice gesture anyway....even if fermanagh were terrible

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 5:59pm

Taytoland wrote: »

It's perfectly obvious the history of the GAA is nationalist. It supports nationalist causes. https://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/the-gaa-and-the-development-of-nationalism/

History.

Do you understand what that is?

The GAA is no longer an exclusively 'nationalist' organisation and has been 'reaching out' for donkey years and has all creeds and political persuausions playing and running it.

But some love perpetuating the myth. I.E. the conspiracy theorists :rolleyes:

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 5:59pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

11th bonfire would seem to be a bigger event in most places from what I know

However I can't see her attending an event for an organisation that bans Catholics from membership??

AFAIK it's not generally the Orange Order (as such) arranging these things. In some cases the OO has indeed mildly tutted at the organisers -- tyres bad for the environment, a little rude to be burning down your your neighbour's house, etc.

Also, I believe that SF have sought to meet with the OO, but the OO have refused to do even that.

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 6:00pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

History.

Do you understand what that is?

The GAA is no longer an exclusively 'nationalist' organisation and has been 'reaching out' for donkey years and has all creeds and political persuausions playing and running it.

But some love perpetuating the myth. I.E. the conspiracy theorists :rolleyes:

I believe the technically correct term for people calling the Gaa a nationalist organisation is "realists".

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 6:01pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

Because for political prssire to be applied would require it to be publically known....otherwise it's ineffective and pointless??

I think it was a nice gesture anyway....even if fermanagh were terrible

Not necessarily. We may know in the future though.

Could she afford to rebuff another public invitation after her volley of insults over the 1916 events? Who knows.

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 6:03pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Pretending that a woman who was quite happy to insult and jibe a few months ago (and whose party members personally insulted Irish ministers) is genuine in her attendance today is codding yourself. IMO.

And calling it "genuine" is something I didn't do, but you keep saying I did anyway. AAMOF.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 6:03pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

I believe the technically correct term for people calling the Gaa a nationalist organisation is "realists".

It has probably the same ratio of nationalist members as the IRFU has unionist members.
Both orgs have members from all political persuasions and creeds.

Keep trying.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 6:05pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

And calling it "genuine" is something I didn't do, but you keep saying I did anyway. AAMOF.

So you are ok if I reject it as not genuine like yourself?

Fair enough.

I'm off to enjoy the evening sun.

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 6:06pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It has probably the same ratio of nationalist members as the IRFU has unionist members.
Both orgs have members from all political persuasions and creeds.

I'm not talking about its membership roster. I'm talking about its "ethos".

Keep trying.

I'm enough happy to keep succeeding.

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 6:07pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It has probably the same ratio of nationalist members as the IRFU has unionist members.
Both orgs have members from all political persuasions and creeds.

I'm not talking about its membership roster. I'm talking about its "ethos".

Keep trying.

I'm enough happy to keep succeeding.

What is the numbers on people who are from a non nationalist background who play GAA? Can we get some meat on these bones so to speak.

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 6:13pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not necessarily. We may know in the future though.

Could she afford to rebuff another public invitation after her volley of insults over the 1916 events? Who knows.

So, your take on this is that she was completely forced into it, so the correct, grown-up response is to sneer at her for not having done it sooner, better, and generally more to your liking.

And you're calling other people conspiracy theorists.

Patser · 24-06-2018 6:15pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

History.

Do you understand what that is?

The GAA is no longer an exclusively 'nationalist' organisation and has been 'reaching out' for donkey years and has all creeds and political persuausions playing and running it.

But some love perpetuating the myth. I.E. the conspiracy theorists :rolleyes:

In this case it's irrelevant who's right or wrong on this - and I'd agree with you Francie that the GAA has been a much more open organisation for years, than it's given credit for.

The DUP has not been in any way an open organisation, so even this slight crack of light, this small change is noteworthy. The news today is about Arlene making steps towards openness, towards something her followers wouldn't wouldn't like or follow.

The GAA is just a sports body (albeit with huge Irish cultural resonance). The DUP is political and responsible for leading and shaping the North's future.

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 6:19pm

Taytoland wrote: »

What is the numbers on people who are from a non nationalist background who play GAA? Can we get some meat on these bones so to speak.

Be interesting to see that, right enough. Maybe a little sensitive for the Gaa to be overtly collecting that sort of data -- much less publishing it. Probably common enough in the Republic, rather more tribal in the North. Somewhat tangential to the point at hand, though.

Nekarsulm · 24-06-2018 6:32pm

Taytoland wrote: »

What is the numbers on people who are from a non nationalist background who play GAA? Can we get some meat on these bones so to speak.

I wouldn't know if such figures exist.
If they do, it would be a peculiar statistic for a club to actually officially collect.
Our local club has a few C of I players.
There were one or two Methodists back when I played a bit, (15 years ago now)
One of the selectors objected to allowing them membership, because they also played rugby.
Even though 5 or 6 (RC) club members played rugby with them in the the local club also.

He is no longer a selector.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 6:36pm

Taytoland wrote: »

What is the numbers on people who are from a non nationalist background who play GAA? Can we get some meat on these bones so to speak.

As soon as you can show us the GAA acting as an exclusively nationalist organisation.

super_furry · 24-06-2018 6:40pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As soon as you can show us the GAA acting as an exclusively nationalist organisation.

Is it an exclusively nationalist organisation. No.

Is it a nationalist organisation? Absolutely.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 6:40pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I wouldn't know if such figures exist.
If they do, it would be a peculiar statistic for a club to actually officially collect.
Our local club has a few C of I players.
There were one or two Methodists back when I played a bit, (15 years ago now)
One of the selectors objected to allowing them membership, because they also played rugby.
Even though 5 or 6 (RC) club members played rugby with them in the the local club also.

He is no longer a selector.

Indeed. It would be bizarre if they collected that data.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 6:42pm

super_furry wrote: »

Is it an exclusively nationalist organisation. No.

Is it a nationalist organisation? Absolutely.

Well show us then, how it is?
It is an Irish sporting and cultural organisation.

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 6:45pm

super_furry wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As soon as you can show us the GAA acting as an exclusively nationalist organisation.

Is it an exclusively nationalist organisation. No.

Is it a nationalist organisation? Absolutely.

Exactly. A blind man can see it. It's not a bad thing. Why is Francie so up tight about it. Fair play to them.

Nekarsulm · 24-06-2018 6:45pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Indeed. It would be bizarre if they collected that data.

There is quite an overlap of players here in Cavan, the way the playing seasons dovetail together helps.
Christmas charity matches see a big crossover.
One lifelong GAA man in his late 30's, and being shown the ball for the first time in the changing room before the match asked " what side of this thing would a fellow kick?"
"The outside" was the only advice he was given

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 6:46pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well show us then, how it is?
It is an Irish sporting and cultural organisation.

Tbf it is very nationlistic in outlook and ethos....your trying claim black is white in denying it?

It's founders were irish nationliats (and republicans)....but it deos seem to going hand over fist in outreach and it's 100% ok to do so.....but shouldn't forget it's past or the hardship endures by its supporters throughout the war up there (circa 50 ppl killed solely for gaa involvement by loyalists)

This was a brilliant outreach and long overdue...hopefully it'll be a annual thing

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 7:09pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

Tbf it is very nationlistic in outlook and ethos....your trying claim black is white in denying it?

It's founders were irish nationliats (and republicans)....but it deos seem to going hand over fist in outreach and it's 100% ok to do so.....but shouldn't forget it's past or the hardship endures by its supporters throughout the war up there (circa 50 ppl killed solely for gaa involvement by loyalists)

This was a brilliant outreach and long overdue...hopefully it'll be a annual thing

It has members that are nationalists just like the IRFU have no doubt many unionist members.

But it is not a unionist organisation just as the GAA is not a nationalist org for a very long time.

If it was Arlene would never have darkened it's door.
She no longer can pretend it is, therefore she was there today.

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 7:19pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Blaas4life wrote: »

Tbf it is very nationlistic in outlook and ethos....your trying claim black is white in denying it?

It's founders were irish nationliats (and republicans)....but it deos seem to going hand over fist in outreach and it's 100% ok to do so.....but shouldn't forget it's past or the hardship endures by its supporters throughout the war up there (circa 50 ppl killed solely for gaa involvement by loyalists)

This was a brilliant outreach and long overdue...hopefully it'll be a annual thing

It has members that are nationalists just like the IRFU have no doubt many unionist members.

But it is not a unionist organisation just as the GAA is not a nationalist org for a very long time.

If it was Arlene would never have darkened it's door.
She no longer can pretend it is, therefore she was there today.

She is from Fermanagh and hoped for some glory, that's all. They let her down, it's on them. She is more than aware of the nationalist background of the GAA.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 7:26pm

Taytoland wrote: »

She is from Fermanagh and hoped for some glory, that's all. They let her down, it's on them. She is more than aware of the nationalist background of the GAA.

And the rest of the people there know of the religiously bigoted and beligerent unionist present of the DUP guest.

Zebra3 · 24-06-2018 8:01pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well show us then, how it is?
It is an Irish sporting and cultural organisation.

Hmmm.

Bans “foreign sports” like football and rugby from using GAA grounds. Nice bit of hypocrisy in allowing American football games though.

Fly the Irish tricolour and play Amhran na bhFiann, never fly the Union Jack or play GSTQ.

Have banned members of the British security forces from their organisation, but not members of the Irish security forces.

Anyone who tho thinks it’s not a nationalist organisation is deluded.

It’s a bit like claiming that Linfield is not a football club of the unionist community.

corks finest · 24-06-2018 8:04pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

She gets plenty of stick for being a unionist and generally coming across as anti-nationlist

But I think she deserves massive credit for attending this (so many boardsies malign the gaa )and hope she receives a good reception

Fair dues to her

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 8:13pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Hmmm.

Bans “foreign sports” like football and rugby from using GAA grounds. Nice bit of hypocrisy in allowing American football games though.

Fly the Irish tricolour and play Amhran na bhFiann, never fly the Union Jack or play GSTQ.

Have banned members of the British security forces from their organisation, but not members of the Irish security forces.

Anyone who tho thinks it’s not a nationalist organisation is deluded.

It’s a bit like claiming that Linfield is not a football club of the unionist community.

Nonsense as usual.

The RUC had a GAA team.

How long ago is it since they existed?

Stop propagating myths. Arlene was there today because she can't claim that nonsense anymore.

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 8:15pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nonsense as usual.

The RUC had a GAA team.

How long ago is it since they existed?

Stop propagating myths. Arlene was there today because she can't claim that nonsense anymore.

Agh come on....I remember the GAA removing the ban on membets of the British security forces from joining

Why argue on easily proven points?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_21

Zebra3 · 24-06-2018 8:32pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nonsense as usual.

The RUC had a GAA team.

How long ago is it since they existed?

Stop propagating myths. Arlene was there today because she can't claim that nonsense anymore.

Are you saying “foreign sports” being banned by the Gah is nonsense?

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 8:46pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Are you saying “foreign sports” being banned by the Gah is nonsense?

Again, how long ago was that?

Still waiting for the absolutists who claim the GAA is a nationalist organisation to show one nationalist statement from the GAA.
They have worked hard to separate themselves from that and deserve credit for it.
But typically, a woman who represents a STILL religiously bigoted and culturally suprematist party deserves credit, in the eyes of the fawning. :rolleyes:

timthumbni · 24-06-2018 9:48pm

Fair plays to her for making this step. The Gaa in particular in Northern Ireland has an image problem amongst many unionists up here.

I think some of the NI counties even voted against the ending of the banning of security force members from the organisation. I will stick my neck out and guess Tyrone we’re against it for example.The GAA never appeared to have any problem with ira members funny enough...

I read an article a while back about the quite recent horrific incident involving peter heffron (spelling), the catholic psni Gaelic player who “brave” Irish republicans blew his legs off using a car bomb. He was very disappointed at how his club (kickams gac) had more or less disowned him afterwards (And indeed a lot of suspicions about if he was set up by someone close to the club)

It’s things like this that really put the gaa in a bad light in the eyes of many unionists within NI. It’s certainly the most one sided sport by far in NI anyway....

GoneHome · 24-06-2018 9:53pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Can't stand the oul trout, but yer on the ball. She has been directly affected by the war, her Da got shot in front of her as a young kid. It won't be easy to for her to stand there cheering on Fermanagh,so we can't deny credit on that front. Very humble and very brave. Relating to the first part of your post, she is anti nationalist. Thing is though, none of her predecessors made the effort of doing similar before. It's progress I suppose, albeit a tiny piece of *progress but there ya go. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Spot on Harry, I can't stand the "woman" (was going to use a different word beginning with "C") either but fair play to her for this move whatever good it will do, it's possibly all a PR stunt at the end of the day

steddyeddy · 24-06-2018 10:10pm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

For what obvious reasons?

Sectarianism and a desire to see Northern Ireland regress economically are the only reasons for voting DUP.

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 10:37pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sectarianism and a desire to see Northern Ireland regress economically are the only reasons for voting DUP.

I dunno, I can think of lots of others, too.

All equally bad, mind.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 10:37pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sectarianism and a desire to see Northern Ireland regress economically are the only reasons for voting DUP.

Spot on. And those of us who want true equality will keep calling out the religiously and culturally bigoted DUP

mikeym · 24-06-2018 10:41pm

Its great to see Arlene at the Ulster Final but the DUP and Sinn Fein need to restore power sharing up in Northern Ireland.

They are acting like spoilt children up there, the good people of the North want these loudmouths back at work in Stormount.

Richard Hillman · 24-06-2018 10:42pm

She doesn't attend, she gets abused.
She does attend, she gets abused.

steddyeddy · 24-06-2018 10:51pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

I dunno, I can think of lots of others, too.

All equally bad, mind.

Yes. A hate of homosexuals, hate of Catholics and economic illiteracy.

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 10:51pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Still waiting for the absolutists who claim the GAA is a nationalist organisation to show one nationalist statement from the GAA.

"Absolutists", is it? Absolutely what? Absolutely paying the least bit of attention the Gaa's entirely culture, ethos, and indeed entire bleedin' constitution? They need to be making statements, too? As of, "of the blitheringly obvious"?

I'm a little slack of jaw wondering if the Gaa isn't a nationalist organisation, what on earth be? Maybe people about three Republican splits to the irredentist side of the GFA.

They have worked hard to separate themselves from that and deserve credit for it.

I concur, they do. It was a long time coming, and happened on the strength of the Irish government shoving pretty vast sums of money into Gaa coffers for the privilege, mind you. But equally, some Gaa people at least did it for more broad-minded reasons, and as with Foster's gesture, it would be a positive development even if it had been done for entirely cynical and calculating reasons.

But typically, a woman who represents a STILL religiously bigoted and culturally suprematist party deserves credit, in the eyes of the fawning. :rolleyes:

And meanwhile, and actually typically, the zero-sum mentality types wheel out melodramatic characterisation of the most heavily qualified of acknowledge of what any sane person would see as a positive step as "fawning".

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 10:56pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes. A hate of homosexuals, hate of Catholics and economic illiteracy.

Don't forget people having sex. Especially the wimmenfolks, shameless hussies that they are. Or parktaking of the Devil's Buttermilk. Or Presbyterians that aren't quite as miserable as their sort.

Let's not be exclusive, I'm sure we could fill a whole thread of this alone.

Ash.J.Williams · 24-06-2018 10:59pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nonsense as usual.

The RUC had a GAA team.

How long ago is it since they existed?

Stop propagating myths. Arlene was there today because she can't claim that nonsense anymore.

The RUC gaa team ended with the RUC. You can now enjoy the PSNI gaa team.

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 11:00pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

For what obvious reasons?

Sectarianism and a desire to see Northern Ireland regress economically are the only reasons for voting DUP.

Or you believe in the Union.

NIMAN · 24-06-2018 11:01pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes. A hate of homosexuals, hate of Catholics and economic illiteracy.

Did you ever watch Gerry Adams try to discuss economics in debates?

He was like a primary school kid.

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 11:02pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Are you saying “foreign sports” being banned by the Gah is nonsense?

These days, to be fair, "foreign", "alien", and indeed "not racy of the soil" are confined to the appendices of the Gaa rulebook, and aren't operative as such. (I'm very much open to be corrected if I'm missing any synonyms, or any practices operable at county by-law level or the like.)

GoneHome · 24-06-2018 11:02pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Don't forget people having sex. Especially the wimmenfolks, shameless hussies that they are. Or parktaking of the Devil's Buttermilk. Or Presbyterians that aren't quite as miserable as their sort.

Let's not be exclusive, I'm sure we could fill a whole thread of this alone.

I could never vote for them down here in the South, they're so much like the Catholic church was here up to recent times when the country gave them the two fingers with the Same Sex Marraige Referemdum and the recent Abortion Referendum, the irony of it ha

Arlene foster to attend ulster final

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