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cfuserkildare · 29-05-2018 1:18pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

Yeah, I wonder what your opinion is when a school shooting happens, do you blame immigration then too?

You mean like when Islamic State claim credit for the attack?

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:18pm

wexie wrote: »

Radicalized vegan?
Radicalized far right?
Radicalized what?

Islam presumably if they didn't mention anything? Kinda important bit of information to leave out really? Or is that just the new meaning of radicalized?

Or do they just mean 'came out worse than he went in'?

Apparently he was fukced up when he went in and needed little to become even more messed up .... Thats what prisons do

Bigger question is, why did they let him out on leave? as I seen i various reports

thebull85 · 29-05-2018 1:19pm

Latest reports say he shot the police with their own guns.

wexie · 29-05-2018 1:21pm

thebull85 wrote: »

According to RTE news, the attacker shouted god is great in Arabic. Make what you will of that.

Well I guess he's unlikely to be a Hasidic Jew so.

Read an earlier Belgian article where they also mentioned he was 'radicalized' but nothing beyond that.

Found it a bit odd they wouldn't just come out and say it.

BoJack Horseman · 29-05-2018 1:22pm

thebull85 wrote: »

According to RTE news, the attacker shouted god is great in Arabic. Make what you will of that.

Those damn Mormons.

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:22pm

thebull85 wrote: »

According to RTE news, the attacker shouted god is great in Arabic. Make what you will of that.

I can make mentally unstable people eat their own poo .. So surely a Prison environment can radicalize a nutter and make him say Allahu Akbar

Or is that to far fetched

wexie · 29-05-2018 1:22pm

weisses wrote: »

Apparently he was fukced up when he went in and needed little to become even more messed up .... Thats what prisons do

Bigger question is, why did they let him out on leave? as I seen i various reports

Was he on leave or just finished his sentence (that's what I read, or at least how I interpreted it).

If he was on leave I'd imagine there'll be some words had with whoever signed off on that.

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:23pm

thebull85 wrote: »

Latest reports say he shot the police with their own guns.

He only had a serrated knife when he approached the female cops ..... mind boggles why they didnt made swiss cheese out of that fukcer

tomofson · 29-05-2018 1:23pm

weisses wrote: »

I can make mentally unstable people eat their own poo .. So surely a Prison environment can radicalize a nutter and make him say Allahu Akbar

Or is that to far fetched

So basically it wasn't islam no matter what, okay gotcha.

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:24pm

tomofson wrote: »

So basically it wasn't islam no matter what, okay gotcha.

He was radicalized ... what don't you understand ?

pjohnson · 29-05-2018 1:25pm

tomofson wrote: »

So basically it wasn't islam no matter what, okay gotcha.

I thought you were blaming feminism 10mins ago.....

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:25pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Those damn Mormons.

They do know their languages .. (including alien)

tomofson · 29-05-2018 1:26pm

pjohnson wrote: »

I thought you were blaming feminism 10mins ago.....

When did I state feminism had a part to play in the liege attack?

I said feminism is the reason that young man murdered in louth a few days ago got such little media coverage compared to jastine valdez and ana kriegel.

BoJack Horseman · 29-05-2018 1:27pm

tomofson wrote: »

So basically it wasn't islam no matter what, okay gotcha.

No & blaming Islam makes you a racist.
..... even though the perp was white.... Don't ask me, I don't make the rules!

thebull85 · 29-05-2018 1:28pm

weisses wrote: »

I can make mentally unstable people eat their own poo .. So surely a Prison environment can radicalize a nutter and make him say Allahu Akbar

Or is that to far fetched

Well none of us know, we are only commenting on what the news are reporting. We know what you think now anyway.

thebull85 · 29-05-2018 1:30pm

wexie wrote: »

Found it a bit odd they wouldn't just come out and say it.

Do they ever though?

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:33pm

wexie wrote: »

Was he on leave or just finished his sentence (that's what I read, or at least how I interpreted it).

If he was on leave I'd imagine there'll be some words had with whoever signed off on that.

What I read is that he was on a short leave .... Something he already did a dozen times before

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-05-2018 1:33pm

Mod note: Two threads about the same incident so they're merged to keep the discussion in one place.

Buford T. Justice.

sbsquarepants · 29-05-2018 1:34pm

Amalgam wrote: »

Wahhabism does not encourage respect of others, it does not want to integrate with Jews, Hindus etc.

A generation of people with a low skill set and education are being taught that, their religion means everyone else should get on their knees, or else..

Wahhabism is a pile of **** - but let's face facts.

The reason that there is a big up surge in terrorist attacks has less to do with religion and more to do with the fact that half of European countries plus the good ol' U.S of A, have been bombing the bejaysus out of the middle east for donkeys years, to free them or some such shít, I can't remember why exactly but it definitely has nothing to do with the oil - that's just coincidental.

What goes around, eventually comes around.

You know what really breeds contempt? The killing of hundreds of thousands of people for money.

jmayo · 29-05-2018 1:36pm

robarmstrong wrote: »

I'm gonna be really blunt here and horribly insensitive - but what the f*ck?

Honestly, look at the difference between reactions here when it's a school shooting by a white male and a shooting done by an immigrant* who "failed to integrate"?

They are both crimes, done by sick, sick individuals and there is absolutely no need or reason to push personal racial agendas on the matter.

Literally all threads like this somehow end up extreme Muslim bashing whereas there's nowhere near the amount of vitriol when it's a young school shooter off his rocker in the US?

Maybe it's because we all know US is fooked up beyond belief and these school shootings have morphed out of the going postal shootings of the 80s/90s.

And it is in the USA, not over the road in UK, France, Belgium.
You know countries whose citizens can actually wander in here and live as part of their EU membership or in the case of UK as part of the long standing agreement between us.

Oh and as we have seen and as one side are so fond of telling us, it aint really immigrants that are at fault most of the time, a lot of these attackers are home grown.

And like this guy some of them were not you know born and reared as muslims, they converted.

Funny no matter how you want to spin this, it boils down to fact they were fundamentalist muslim.
It's not that they were brown, black, white.
It's not that they were immigrant or native.
It's not that they were poor or rich.
It is purely their religious beliefs at time of death.

wexie · 29-05-2018 1:36pm

thebull85 wrote: »

Do they ever though?

Well...no, I just don't understand why.

If you mention someone became radicalized I find it a bit irresponsible not to mention radicalized in what.

Either don't mention it at all, or just clarify it.

There was a Dutch politician years ago who was murdered. Due to his outspoken views on Islam (and a bunch of other things) everybody quickly assumed he was killed by a muslim with an axe to grind. Turned out it was a radicalized (and quite disturbed) animal rights activist

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:36pm

thebull85 wrote: »

Well none of us know, we are only commenting on what the news are reporting. We know what you think now anyway.

As did I

BoJack Horseman · 29-05-2018 1:36pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

The reason that there is a big up surge in terrorist attacks has less to do with religion and more to do with the fact that half of European countries plus the good ol' U.S of A, have been bombing the bejaysus out of the middle east.

Yep.

It's a FACT that Jihad never existed before 2003.

(and other memes that even a retarded toddler would be too smart to believe)

thebull85 · 29-05-2018 1:40pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

The reason that there is a big up surge in terrorist attacks has less to do with religion and more to do with the fact that half of European countries plus the good ol' U.S of A, have been bombing the bejaysus out of the middle east for donkeys years

The old blame the west chestnut, its a while since ive seen anyone have the balls to use that.

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:42pm

wexie wrote: »

Well...no, I just don't understand why.

If you mention someone became radicalized I find it a bit irresponsible not to mention radicalized in what.

Either don't mention it at all, or just clarify it.

There was a Dutch politician years ago who was murdered. Due to his outspoken views on Islam (and a bunch of other things) everybody quickly assumed he was killed by a muslim with an axe to grind. Turned out it was a radicalized (and quite disturbed) animal rights activist

They reported that he shouted allahu akbar and that he radicalized in prison

I dont know how much clearer you want it ?

And I dont recall people thinking he was killed by a muslim .... He was cought straight away and all the witnesses reported a white man fleeing the scene and he was caught after a couple of minutes

jmayo · 29-05-2018 1:43pm

everlast75 wrote: »

Boards - this was a muslim attack!!!

*turns out not to be*

Boards - um... well... maybe not this time..
but it's only a matter of time blah blah blah

Don't you mean.

this was a muslim attack!!

No it is not, it is an attack by a mentally deranged individual.

This was a muslim attack, he had been radicalised and shouted allah ackbar !!

Not all muslims are terrorists and he was unstable mentally.
Besides PIRA, catholic church, paedophiles, car accidents, ...

But Fundamentalist muslims are a problem.

They are only a tiny number.

But Fundamentalist islam needs to be addressed and no more unvetible muslim immigrants should be allowed into Europe.

YOU ARE A RACIST.

but he was white and islam is not a race.

YOU ARE A RACIST.
YOU ARE A RACIST.
YOU ARE A RACIST.

Billy86 · 29-05-2018 1:44pm

cfuserkildare wrote: »

You mean like when Islamic State claim credit for the attack?

To be fair I left the dinner in the oven too long and burned it. Got an email three hours later from ISIS claiming they were behind it all.

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:44pm

jmayo wrote: »

Don't you mean.

this was a muslim attack!!

No it is not, it is an attack by a mentally deranged individual.

This was a muslim attack, he had been radicalised and shouted allah ackbar !!

Not all muslims are terrorists and he was unstable mentally.
Besides PIRA, catholic church, paedophiles, car accidents, ...

But Fundamentalist muslims are a problem.

They are only a tiny number.

But Fundamentalist islam needs to be addressed and no more unvetible muslim immigrants should be allowed into Europe.

YOU ARE A RACIST.

but he was white and islam is not a race.

YOU ARE A RACIST.
YOU ARE A RACIST.
YOU ARE A RACIST.

Breath in ........... and out

thebull85 · 29-05-2018 1:46pm

weisses wrote: »

As did I

Well it sounded like your are of the opinion that this is some mentally ill individual that shouted allah akbar just because he may of heard someone say it in prison.

Thats not unlike people blaming Islam with no evidence it had anything to do with Islam.

jmayo · 29-05-2018 1:48pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Wahhabism is a pile of **** - but let's face facts.

The reason that there is a big up surge in terrorist attacks has less to do with religion and more to do with the fact that half of European countries plus the good ol' U.S of A, have been bombing the bejaysus out of the middle east for donkeys years, to free them or some such sh I can't remember why exactly but it definitely has nothing to do with the oil - that's just coincidental.

What goes around, eventually comes around.

You know what really breeds contempt? The killing of hundreds of thousands of people for money.

Care to explain the existence of boko haram ?

Care to explain why an entire muslim family all went on suicide missions in Indonesia to attack christian churches ?

Were Nigeria and Indonesia bombing the Middle East ?

wexie · 29-05-2018 1:48pm

weisses wrote: »

They reported that he shouted allahu akbar and that he radicalized in prison

I dont know how much clearer you want it ?

Report I read only stated he was radicalized in prison and didn't mention anything about him shouting anything. Radicalized doesn't necessarily mean Islam is what I meant and if that bit of information is available why not mention it?

radicalize :to make someone become more radical (= extreme) in their political or religious beliefs:

weisses wrote: »

And I dont recall people thinking he was killed by a muslim .... He was cought straight away and all the witnesses reported a white man fleeing the scene and he was caught after a couple of minutes

I guess we both remember it a bit differently so.

Anyways, not overly interested in debating semantics, just thought it was odd they mentioned he was radicalized with mentioning anything.
Like I said I guess we'll just have to assume from now on radicalized means 'into Islamic beliefs'

jmayo · 29-05-2018 1:50pm

Billy86 wrote: »

To be fair I left the dinner in the oven too long and burned it. Got an email three hours later from ISIS claiming they were behind it all.

What was the dinner ?
I haven't had my lunch yet.

inforfun · 29-05-2018 1:50pm

The moment they gave him his 72 virgins bullets.

https://twitter.com/zhengxiaodan/status/1001423778814025729?

Just sound, nothing to see.

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:52pm

thebull85 wrote: »

Well it sounded like your are of the opinion that this is some mentally ill individual that shouted allah akbar just because he may of heard someone say it in prison.

Thats not unlike people blaming Islam with no evidence it had anything to do with Islam.

No I said

weisses wrote: »

So surely a Prison environment can radicalize a nutter and make him say Allahu Akbar

wexie · 29-05-2018 1:54pm

thebull85 wrote: »

Well it sounded like your are of the opinion that this is some mentally ill individual that shouted allah akbar just because he may of heard someone say it in prison.

To be honest the thought has occurred to me that sooner or later someone's going to figure out that doing just that will be very useful in committing suicide by cop.

weisses · 29-05-2018 1:55pm

wexie wrote: »

Report I read only stated he was radicalized in prison and didn't mention anything about him shouting anything. Radicalized doesn't necessarily mean Islam is what I meant and if that bit of information is available why not mention it?

I guess we both remember it a bit differently so.

Anyways, not overly interested in debating semantics, just thought it was odd they mentioned he was radicalized with mentioning anything.
Like I said I guess we'll just have to assume from now on radicalized means 'into Islamic beliefs'

No I get what you mean ... Its the various Belgium reports I was reading that mentioned both the shouting part and the radicalization in prison .. That's why I linked it to Islam automatically

A Pint of Goo · 29-05-2018 1:55pm

wexie wrote: »

To be honest the thought has occurred to me that sooner or later someone's going to figure out that doing just that will be very useful in committing suicide by cop.

Confirmed for Religion of Peace?

inforfun · 29-05-2018 1:59pm

wexie wrote: »

To be honest the thought has occurred to me that sooner or later someone's going to figure out that doing just that will be very useful in committing suicide by cop.

Not really.
Unless you also have a couple of guns with you.

May 4th in The Hague the pharmacist from Syria there tried to cut the throat of 3 people with a knife while screaming their favourite slogan and he was shot in the leg.

tomofson · 29-05-2018 2:06pm

thebull85 wrote: »

The old blame the west chestnut, its a while since ive seen anyone have the balls to use that.

We have a much better life in any western country than we ever would in any muslim country any time in history, I think somewhere deep down even the muslims know that.

It could be a source of their anger, the fact they could never create civilizations as free and prosperous as ours.

SSr0 · 29-05-2018 2:09pm

tomofson wrote: »

We have a much better life in any western country than we ever would in any muslim country any time in history, I think somewhere deep down even the muslims know that.

It could be a source of their anger, the fact they could never create civilizations as free and prosperous as ours.

That's ok so. Sure fire off an email saying that to some of the victims families, I'm sure they would understand and accept it all a bit better.

sbsquarepants · 29-05-2018 2:09pm

jmayo wrote: »

Care to explain the existence of boko haram ?

Care to explain why an entire muslim family all went on suicide missions in Indonesia to attack christian churches ?

Were Nigeria and Indonesia bombing the Middle East ?

I never said it had nothing to do with religion - I said less to do with it than the couple of decades of relentless bombing.

weisses · 29-05-2018 2:11pm

tomofson wrote: »

We have a much better life in any western country than we ever would in any muslim country any time in history, I think somewhere deep down even the muslims know that.

It could be a source of their anger, the fact they could never create civilizations as free and prosperous as ours.

No ..... Im pretty sure western democracy "precision" bombing has a lot to do with their anger, Not to mention western interference created the perfect vacuum for fundamentalists to take hold/form ( ISIS in Iraq).

Maybe take of the blinkers and at least try to look for the bigger picture

tomofson · 29-05-2018 2:12pm

SSr0 wrote: »

That's ok so. Sure fire off an email saying that to some of the victims families, I'm sure they would understand and accept it all a bit better.

What victims families? Did I excuse any death or murder, I have been banned from this site in recent times for addressing the people behind the mass genocides and massacres in human history.

I despise all injustice and cruelty regardless of who it is directed at.

But I do believe we should also be grateful for the quality of life we have and the muslims immigrants in to these lands need to get off their victim complexed high horses and learn to love life.

tomofson · 29-05-2018 2:14pm

weisses wrote: »

No ..... Im pretty sure western democracy "precision" bombing has a lot to do with their anger, Not to mention western interference created the perfect vacuum for fundamentalists to take hold/form ( ISIS in Iraq).

Maybe take of the blinkers and at least try to look for the bigger picture

And the millions of lives saved in those parts of the world from western sciences and technologies? The death in those bombing campaigns dwarfs the amount of lives saved by western invented medicines.

But dont expect the white man to get any thank you in places like africa or the middle east.

Now there's the blinkers off and me looking at the bigger picture even you couldn't imagine.

wexie · 29-05-2018 2:16pm

weisses wrote: »

No ..... Im pretty sure western democracy "precision" bombing has a lot to do with their anger, Not to mention western interference created the perfect vacuum for fundamentalists to take hold/form ( ISIS in Iraq).

Perhaps it's not entirely the cause of conflict ....but it's hardly doing much to help matters.

If nothing else it's a damn handy recruitment argument.

professore · 29-05-2018 2:20pm

Weepsie wrote: »

Belgium is a vastly multicultural country and has been for some time. You're talking nonsense

Multicultural in what sense?
I lived there for nearly 5 years. All news, media and politicians are white. For example Antwerp is 30% 7% Muslim (I Googled this afterwards - to be quite honest I find this number difficult to believe.)

You never ever see any Muslims anywhere in public life. It's quite common to portray Moroccans and Turks as a bit slow and sneaky on TV shows.

professore · 29-05-2018 2:24pm

weisses wrote: »

No ..... Im pretty sure western democracy "precision" bombing has a lot to do with their anger, Not to mention western interference created the perfect vacuum for fundamentalists to take hold/form ( ISIS in Iraq).

Maybe take of the blinkers and at least try to look for the bigger picture

Theocratic governments all across the Muslim world have nothing to do with it at all? No vacuum in Saudi Arabia

weisses · 29-05-2018 2:26pm

tomofson wrote: »

And the millions of lives saved in those parts of the world from western sciences and technologies? The death in those bombing campaigns dwarfs the amount of lives saved by western invented medicines.

But dont expect the white man to get any thank you in places like africa or the middle east.

Now there's the blinkers off and me looking at the bigger picture even you couldn't imagine.

Maybe leave them on ... Too much nonsense

Amalgam · 29-05-2018 2:29pm

The problem starts and ends with the House_of_Saud (wikipedia).

They have poisoned the well, so to speak, for decades, their influence on turning the likes of Mali and The Philippines, parts of Indonesia, into religious quagmires, not to mention their ongoing work in providing religious 'funding/guidance' in parts of the former Yugoslavia.

The war in Yemen, for instance, is a very naked sectarian one, the only problem with the Houthis is that they are a Shia influenced 'sect', not interested in any Saudi led governance.

A civilian 'Shia influenced' population being hammered by a Sunni majority, piloting American hardware and bombs..

The vast majority, worldwide, of terror victims, are Muslims. Muslim on Muslim violence.

I would love to see a healthy Iran, I would love to see the region pilot itself away from the toxicity that the Saudis throw out, but that won't happen. They buy too many weapons from other countries like Britain and the US.. and business is good.

weisses · 29-05-2018 2:29pm

professore wrote: »

Theocratic governments all across the Muslim world have nothing to do with it at all? No vacuum in Saudi Arabia

See how far they go without its western allies selling weapons ...

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