Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

TheValeyard · 08-04-2018 4:25pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

That's a completely unrealistic suggestion in the context of the reality in Syria.

Why?

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

He was on the back foot because of external meddling and supply of weapons from you know who. Russia did not 'cause the mess'. Whatever their motives - I've no time for Putin - I still believe Russian intervention is key to a stable, peaceful Syria in the not too distant future.

Yeah, that popular uprising never happened so, and wasnt crushed by tanks and barrel bombs, nope never happened. As long as Assad is in power, Syria will never know peace.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

That is completely and utterly missing the point. The point was that America deposed Saddam, created a 'democracy' and funneled astronomical amounts of funding into it - including billions into an army supplied with modern US weaponry and equipment.

Stop deflecting, you're terrible at it. Its a completely separate issue.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Actually Assad has reasonably strong levels of support. Obviously not all Syrian people support him - and didn't before all this began - but I think conservative estimates believe over 50-60% of the population do?

Support Assad or shoot me and my family. Great options if your living in State Terror controlled regions.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Are you seriously trying to deny that opposition forces aren't guilty of horrific war crimes and atrocities? They absolutely are, and I'm not just talking about ISIS.

Never said they werent. You've missed the point again. Isis are one of the most barbaric forces humanity has seen since ww2

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Also, it's hardly black or white or west versus east. It's hardly difficult to admit that Syrian forces are guilty of crimes whilst also accepting the opposition are as well.

Both sides are at it.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me how some people on boards seem to want to 'pick a side' like it's a competition.

But this is exactly what you are doing.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that Russia isn't pulling the strings of Assad and the SAA?

So why leave him in power?

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Yes...in theory. However we have to deal with reality here.

Im dealing with the reality, are you?

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 4:27pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Really? And the Russians have been a bastion of peace and progress?

Can't think of any historical event the Russians or the Soviet Union faked? We have numerous false flag events stage-managed by the West. The Russians only got the lower tier of Nazis. The Americans got the higher tier of Nazis who were brought in and given jobs that placed them in power to make decisions.

Gatling · 08-04-2018 4:29pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Can't think of any historical event the Russians or the Soviet Union faked? We have numerous false events stage-managed by the West. The Russian only got the lower tier of Nazis. The Americans got the higher tier of Nazis who were brought in and given jobs that placed them in power to make decisions.

What has this got to do with the latest chemical weapons attack in Syria ,

You seem to be trying to prevent the discussion with shadows and false flags

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 4:34pm

Gatling wrote: »

What has this got to do with the latest chemical weapons attack in Syria ,

You seem to be trying to prevent the discussion with shadows and false flags

Russia warned us the US forces in the region were training Jihadist militants to stage chemical attacks in Southern Syria. Russia is telling us this was going to happen . Russia can't go bombing these sites as they will be bombing western forces and this will kick off WW3. Russia is receiving intelligence and using surveillance to watch this.

quintana76 · 08-04-2018 4:34pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Can't think of any historical event the Russians or the Soviet Union faked? We have numerous false flag events stage-managed by the West. The Russians only got the lower tier of Nazis. The Americans got the higher tier of Nazis who were brought in and given jobs that placed them in power to make decisions.

Try the "invitations" from puppet governments for the "fraternal" help of Soviet troops when their populations grew tired of Communist dictatorship and wanted change.

Gatling · 08-04-2018 4:39pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia warned us the US forces

Bs next

70 dead in the latest chemical attack in Syria and 500 injuries reported .
Alot of kids involved .

Lets not worry about America and focus on Assad and putin and on going chemical weapons attacks in Syria

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 4:39pm

quintana76 wrote: »

Try the "invitations" from puppet governments for the "fraternal" help of Soviet troops when their populations grew tired of Communist dictatorship and wanted change.

Like who?

quintana76 · 08-04-2018 4:42pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Like who?

Hungary 1956 Czechoslovakia 1968 would be a few examples.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 4:42pm

Gatling wrote: »

Bs next

70 dead in the latest chemical attack in Syria and 500 injuries reported .
Alot of kids involved .

Lets not worry about America and focus on Assad and putin and on going chemical weapons attacks in Syria

And Iran. Are you not following the narrative?

TheValeyard · 08-04-2018 4:42pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Can't think of any historical event the Russians or the Soviet Union faked? We have numerous false flag events stage-managed by the West. The Russians only got the lower tier of Nazis. The Americans got the higher tier of Nazis who were brought in and given jobs that placed them in power to make decisions.

Cant think of anything the Russians or Soviets faked? :eek: :eek:

(other than doping athletes)

1) Fake democracy. It was essentially one party dictatorship

2) The famous Red Flag over the Reichstag -faked

3) The purges -denied it happened, people wiped from history if an enemy of Stalin

4) Shelling their own village and blaming Finland, using it as an excuse to invasion

5) Some very good scientists the Russians captured were German, its what spearheaded there successful rocket program at the Gorodomiya Island on a lake northwest of Moscow like Manfred von Ardenne

6) The Russian invasion of Afghanistan in 1979

7) Control and use of secret police to occupy and rape Eastern Europe.

8) Pretending they didnt have atomic weapons on Cuba

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 4:43pm

quintana76 wrote: »

Hungary 1956 Czechoslovakia 1968 would be a few examples.

Jesus Christ lad - the USSR is over.

gw80 · 08-04-2018 4:43pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

No, its a select few of Assad supporter loyalists in central Damascus 'safe zone' Its great for TV, makes Assad look reasonable. Unlike Saydnaya prison, which is basically an extermination camp.

So whats the alternative, have Damascus looking the same as the rebel held areas.cause thats working out well,
Its not ideal but the best chance for the country and surrounding region, is for assad to gain back control of the country.

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 4:43pm

quintana76 wrote: »

Hungary 1956 Czechoslovakia 1968 would be a few examples.

Those countries were already part of the Soviet Union, so no.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 4:44pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Cant think of anything the Russians or Soviets faked? :eek: :eek:

(other than doping athletes)

1) Fake democracy. It was essentially one party dictatorship

2) The famous Red Flag over the Reichstag -faked

3) The purges -denied it happened, people wiped from history if an enemy of Stalin

4) Shelling their own village and blaming Finland, using it as an excuse to invasion

5) Some very good scientists the Russians captured were German, its what spearheaded there successful rocket program at the Gorodomiya Island on a lake northwest of Moscow like Manfred von Ardenne

6) The Russian invasion of Afghanistan in 1979

7) Control and use of secret police to occupy and rape Eastern Europe.

8) Pretending they didnt have atomic weapons on Cuba

The Cold War is still raging, in your head anyway.

Opposition to Russia seems to come from the left, and those opposed to the left.

TerrorFirmer · 08-04-2018 4:44pm

Yeah, that popular uprising never happened so, and wasnt crushed by tanks and barrel bombs, nope never happened. As long as Assad is in power, Syria will never know peace.

I never said there wasn't a rising. The point was, as what with happened in Ukraine, external players were pouring weaponry in to sustain the rising. It wouldn't have stood on it's own without that intervention from external forces.

Why?

How would this new state work exactly? What's the roadmap for a peaceful, stable country and can you point to previous successes with comparable context to countries like Syria, Iraq, Libya?

Stop deflecting, you're terrible at it. Its a completely separate issue.

That's not deflecting at all. I'm pointing out the reality of establishing a 'new democracy' that relies entirely on external forces to keep it in power due to the fractured nature of the society over which it presides.

But this is exactly what you are doing.

That's a bit childish. I'm certainly not 'picking sides', merely discussing the reality of what's happening in Syria, and what might lie in store for it's future and what the 'least bad' option would be for that future.

My opinion is that Assad is that 'least bad' option - doesn't mean I support or condone the Assad regime overall. You're willfully ignoring that.

So why leave him in power?

As opposed to what exactly? Russia is in Syria for Russia. Assad remaining in power is essential to them and furthers their aims in the region, that's why they intervened.

Doesn't mean he's not just a puppet having his strings pulled by Putin. That's what a puppet state is. Nazi Germany did it to countries like Romania during the Second World War.

Im dealing with the reality, are you?

Honestly, you're really not putting forward convincing arguments that are based in reality rather than an ideal world.

Manic Moran · 08-04-2018 4:45pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The Vietnam war began when the White House in 1964 claimed 3 Vietnamese patrol boats attacked a US warship. President Johnson used this event to escalate the war in Vietnam. Today we know this event was a false flag it's a verifiable a historical fact.

A false flag is something placed artificially to give the appearance of something else.

That Maddox and NV torpedo boats exchanged fire is historical fact. That two days later, the US Navy expended a lot of ammunition shooting at ghosts which were not there is also historical fact. Given the exchange of two days prior, the US Navy being a bit jittery is not malice, but just normal nature. Yes, the second incident was one of the arguments (in addition to the first one) which escalated Vietnam, but it's more to say that poor information led to the argument, not malevolence.

Gatling · 08-04-2018 4:45pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The Cold War is still raging, in your head anyway.

Opposition to Russia seems to come from the left, and those opposed to the left.

So nothing to say on the 70 deaths and 500 injured at all ..

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 4:47pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

A false flag is something placed artificially to give the appearance of something else.

That Maddox and NV torpedo boats exchanged fire is historical fact. That two days later, the US Navy expended a lot of ammunition shooting at ghosts which were not there is also historical fact. Given the exchange of two days prior, the US Navy being a bit jittery is not malice, but just normal nature. Yes, the second incident was one of the arguments (in addition to the first one) which escalated Vietnam, but it's more to say that poor information led to the argument, not malevolence.

The second incident was claimed as historical fact until 2003. It was a false flag.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 4:49pm

Gatling wrote: »

So nothing to say on the 70 deaths and 500 injured at all ..

I think that the people responsible, US allies, should be brought before UN criminal courts. That’s unlikely as long as the US provides support for the jihadists.

By the way what to make of trump claiming Iran was involved. What kind of controlled populace would believe that?

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 4:49pm

Gatling wrote: »

Bs next

70 dead in the latest chemical attack in Syria and 500 injuries reported .
Alot of kids involved .

Lets not worry about America and focus on Assad and putin and on going chemical weapons attacks in Syria

Think logically. Assad wanted Western forces to attack his power structure in Syria? The Americans keep threatening if Assad uses chemical weapons they may use force. It doesn't add up Assad would use chemicals weapon when America keep saying this could lead to military intervention. Trump decision to leave Syria probably accelerated this false flag event into action.

Gatling · 08-04-2018 4:50pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I think that the people responsible, US allies, should be brought before criminal courts.

So your saying America did it .

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 4:51pm

Gatling wrote: »

So your saying America did it .

The American allies did it. You do realise that those allies are extreme islamists, right?

Gatling · 08-04-2018 4:52pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Think logically. .

Russia need the Spot light off them due to them using chemical nerve agents in the UK despite claiming they had no chemicals weapons , didn't they also say Syria had chemical weapons.

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 4:53pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

A false flag is something placed artificially to give the appearance of something else.

That Maddox and NV torpedo boats exchanged fire is historical fact. That two days later, the US Navy expended a lot of ammunition shooting at ghosts which were not there is also historical fact. Given the exchange of two days prior, the US Navy being a bit jittery is not malice, but just normal nature. Yes, the second incident was one of the arguments (in addition to the first one) which escalated Vietnam, but it's more to say that poor information led to the argument, not malevolence.

No an NSA report in 2005 said warning shots were fired on the 2nd of August 1964. On the 4th of August 1964, a false report circulated three Vietnamese boats attacked US destroyer called the Maddox. Historians all agree today this never happened. US writers have tried to make excuses for this event to justify the war in Vietnam.

Gatling · 08-04-2018 4:53pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The American allies did it.

Said you .......

Must have been bad fish ??

JenovaProject · 08-04-2018 4:55pm

Gatling wrote: »

Russia need the Spot light off them due to them using chemical nerve agents in the UK despite claiming they had no chemicals weapons , didn't they also say Syria had chemical weapons.

Lol...Russia needs spotlight off them so do this instead...
Hahaha....think about that for a second lol

Gatling · 08-04-2018 4:58pm

JenovaProject wrote: »

Lol...Russia needs spotlight off them so do this instead...
Hahaha....think about that for a second lol

Yeah they will run to the UNSC and demand a full and open investigation that they will then block meanwhile the OPCW investigation is due to release it's finding in the Salisbury chemical nerve attack.

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 5:03pm

JenovaProject wrote: »

Lol...Russia needs spotlight off them so do this instead...
Hahaha....think about that for a second lol

The only reason any side would use chemical weapons is to drag in Western powers to attack Assad. Assad has won the war. Trump decision to pull out of Syria annoyed the military-industrial complex and the deep state elite and they have used their influence to stage this false flag.

JenovaProject · 08-04-2018 5:04pm

Gatling wrote: »

Yeah they will run to the UNSC and demand a full and open investigation that they will then block meanwhile the OPCW investigation is due to release it's finding in the Salisbury chemical nerve attack.

Lol....bring more attention on themselves because they want less attention on themselves...tin foil hat conspiracy stuff lol

Gatling · 08-04-2018 5:05pm

JenovaProject wrote: »

Lol....bring more attention on themselves because they want less attention on themselves...tin foil hat conspiracy stuff lol

So let's hear your opinion.

Or do you not do opinions

Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

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