Yellow vest movement ireland

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 1:48pm #1

I wonder is it time something like this happens here.
Personally the fuel tax here bothers me the most.
It seems the young working class have no hope of getting on the property ladder.
The latest brainwave by Shane Ross seems to have pissed off alot of people.
These measures would be all well and good if we had a top class road network around the country if our motor tax wasn't outrageous.
Some people could drive five or six different vehicles everyday I can imagine how many licences will be lost or misplaced.
The hospital and bed situation is absolutely dire.
Discuss

Lux23 · 13-12-2018 1:50pm

How hard is it really to carry your licence in your pocket or bag? The things people get upset about is astounding to me sometimes.

artanevilla · 13-12-2018 1:51pm

Motor tax has nothing to do with the quality of the roads.

stoneill · 13-12-2018 1:52pm

I have to wear one all day - I'm not feckin wearing one as a trendy fashion statement!

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 1:53pm

Lux23 wrote: »

How hard is it really to carry your licence in your pocket or bag? The things people get upset about is astounding to me sometimes.

Why should anyone have to?
We must be one of the only first works country's that they can't get all your information up inside the police or garda car

John Sacrimoni · 13-12-2018 1:53pm

Apparently its starting in England on Saturday, be interesting to see what kind of numbers turn up, and if it gets violent like the French protests.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 1:54pm

artanevilla wrote: »

Motor tax has nothing to do with the quality of the roads.

Its a tax people are paying that they see zero benefit from.
Less wealthy people driving older cars are paying higher tax and insurance

artanevilla · 13-12-2018 1:55pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Why should anyone have to?
We must be one of the only first works country's that they can't get all your information up inside the police or garda car

So your idea is to have no licence at all, but have your name on a database that the gards can check in their cars?

seamus · 13-12-2018 1:56pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Why should anyone have to?
We must be one of the only first works country's that they can't get all your information up inside the police or garda car

If you drive five or six different vehicles every day, then how can a Garda be expected to get all your information up in the car unless you're carrying ID?

The Tetrarch · 13-12-2018 1:57pm

The French like a riot.
The Irish like to moan.

Del2005 · 13-12-2018 1:58pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Why should anyone have to?
We must be one of the only first works country's that they can't get all your information up inside the police or garda car

In every country that has in car computers its an offence not to carry your licence and unlike here they actually enforce all their traffic legislation so you will be fined if you don't have a licence on you.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 1:58pm

artanevilla wrote: »

So your idea is to have no licence at all, but have your name on a database that the gards can check in their cars?

Have a licence.
If a guard stops me who are you? Joe bloggs.
Checks data base joe bloggs has a licence to drive this vehicle.
Cop car is behind me reads number plate.
This car belongs to Joe bloggs he has 0 penalty points

artanevilla · 13-12-2018 1:59pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Its a tax people are paying that they see zero benefit from.
Less wealthy people driving older cars are paying higher tax and insurance

What do you mean by zero benefit?

How much tax did they so called less wealthy people pay on their initial purchase? Who bought the car originally so that it was able to be sold on as an older more affordable car?

I don't get any of your points, what do you want to change with your protest?

Doctor Jimbob · 13-12-2018 1:59pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Why should anyone have to?
We must be one of the only first works country's that they can't get all your information up inside the police or garda car

More like we must be the only first world nation to get upset about the notion of having to carry a driving licence while driving.

artanevilla · 13-12-2018 2:00pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Have a licence.
If a guard stops me who are you? Joe bloggs.
Checks data base joe bloggs has a licence to drive this vehicle.
Cop car is behind me reads number plate.
This car belongs to Joe bloggs he has 0 penalty points

How do you prove you are Joe Bloggs?

"Do you have a ticket to this concert Sir?"
"Yes"
"Can I see it"
"No, my name is Joe Bloggs"
"Oh yes, someone called Joe Bloggs bought a ticket, in you go."

alta stare · 13-12-2018 2:00pm

seamus wrote: »

If you drive five or six different vehicles every day, then how can a Garda be expected to get all your information up in the car unless you're carrying ID?

Yeah i agree. I could drive any work vehicle during the day and my own or my brothers, fathers etc etc. Having a physical licence is needed.

Laois_Man · 13-12-2018 2:02pm

Honestly, if we didn't riot in 2008-2010, we never will!

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:03pm

artanevilla wrote: »

What do you mean by zero benefit?

How much tax did they so called less wealthy people pay on their initial purchase? Who bought the car originally so that it was able to be sold on as an older more affordable car?

I don't get any of your points, what do you want to change with your protest?

Just picked out examples of what I see on social media of what is annoying people.
I only started the thread to see what people's thoughts were on different matters and if people wanted to

1 Take some action in the form of strikes.

2. Are perfectly happy the way things are.

3. Moan to other people that the reasons there not happy aren't legitimate reasons no to be happy

cruizer101 · 13-12-2018 2:03pm

Lux23 wrote: »

How hard is it really to carry your licence in your pocket or bag? The things people get upset about is astounding to me sometimes.

Not hard at all, but it is also not hard to forget it.
Nipping out to get some milk, or get a call to pick someone up from the station cause its raining, easy enough to forget it.

The punishment doesn't match the crime.

seamus · 13-12-2018 2:06pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Have a licence.
If a guard stops me who are you? Joe bloggs.
Checks data base joe bloggs has a licence to drive this vehicle.
Cop car is behind me reads number plate.
This car belongs to Joe bloggs he has 0 penalty points

That's nice in theory.

In practice, Garda car scans your plate. Car is registered to "ALM Construction Limited".

Right. They pull you over. Who are you?

"Joe Bloggs."

Address?

"Rathballylog, Co. Wexford."

Eircode?

"Sure, what's that? I haven't a clue"

There are 40 Joe Bloggs listed in Rathballylog.

"I might be under John Bloggs."

There are 40 of them.

"Try JJ Bloggs"

There are 40 of them, too.

"Try Peter Bloggs, that's my grandfather's name"

....And so on.

blinding · 13-12-2018 2:06pm

Its time to Storm the Barricades .

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:07pm

artanevilla wrote: »

How do you prove you are Joe Bloggs?

"Do you have a ticket to this concert Sir?"
"Yes"
"Can I see it"
"No, my name is Joe Bloggs"
"Oh yes, someone called Joe Bloggs bought a ticket, in you go."

A digital form of your licence comes on there computer screen.
I mean if your going to go down that route whats to stop people getting a false licence made up with say a truck licence when there stopped they show it to the guard everything looks OK so off you go.
With a computer based system that can't happen.
Granted its far harder to do with the card version of the license.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:07pm

cruizer101 wrote: »

Not hard at all, but it is also not hard to forget it.
Nipping out to get some milk, or get a call to pick someone up from the station cause its raining, easy enough to forget it.

The punishment doesn't match the crime.

Very easy misplace too

John Sacrimoni · 13-12-2018 2:08pm

Id be all for it once we leave out the cringey chants that we had during the water protests. They were really embarrasing.

lertsnim · 13-12-2018 2:08pm

Lux23 wrote: »

How hard is it really to carry your licence in your pocket or bag? The things people get upset about is astounding to me sometimes.

There are times when I will accidentally leave the house without my wallet. It might be in another jacket or pair of trousers. The proposed punishment for it is ridiculous and completely over the top.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:08pm

seamus wrote: »

That's nice in theory.

In practice, Garda car scans your plate. Car is registered to "ALM Construction Limited".

Right. They pull you over. Who are you?

"Joe Bloggs."

Address?

"Rathballylog, Co. Wexford."

Eircode?

"Sure, what's that? I haven't a clue"

There are 40 Joe Bloggs listed in Rathballylog.

"I might be under John Bloggs."

There are 40 of them.

"Try JJ Bloggs"

There are 40 of them, too.

"Try Peter Bloggs, that's my grandfather's name"

....And so on.

Digital form of your licence on the computer including a picture

seamus · 13-12-2018 2:10pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Digital form of your licence on the computer including a picture

"That's me brother"

Seriously, it's easier for you to carry the licence than it is to stand at the side of the road arguing with a Garda about whether you actually have one.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:11pm

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

Id be all for it once we leave out the cringey chants that we had during the water protests. They were really embarrasing.

Pull the car up to the red cow roundabout.
Get out lock it walk away.
Several hundred cars in various locations around the city.
Job done

Korvanica · 13-12-2018 2:12pm

Yellow vest movement Ireland thread

Topic: Carrying your Driving License

Never Change after hours :pac:

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:13pm

seamus wrote: »

"That's me brother"

Seriously, it's easier for you to carry the licence than it is to stand at the side of the road arguing with a Garda about whether you actually have one.

No doubt its easier ive often forgotten my licence been stopped and told bring to the closest station within 7 days I think.
Done that and the jobs done.
Its a bit severe to get penalty points because I left my licence on the last car I was in.

foxy farmer · 13-12-2018 2:13pm

Laois_Man wrote: »

Honestly, if we didn't riot in 2008-2010, we never will!

We had a bloody good one back in 06.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6of8lYhFxpo

Harry Palmr · 13-12-2018 2:15pm

Luckily I have two (well one is green) so I can sell you one for a tenner.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:16pm

Korvanica wrote: »

Yellow vest movement Ireland thread

Topic: Carrying your Driving License

Never Change after hours :pac:

Theres various other items I started out with as I said just a collection of things I see on social media.
I did point out the one that annoys me is the tax on fuel.
Its up to the individuals posting if they want to single out one thing or add other things

John Sacrimoni · 13-12-2018 2:18pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Theres various other items I started out with as I said just a collection of things I see on social media.
I did point out the one that annoys me is the tax on fuel.
Its up to the individuals posting if they want to single out one thing or add other things

Nothing will change unless you take the French approach. It needs to be proper civil unrest. They need to fear us.

MarkHenderson · 13-12-2018 2:21pm

I always find the phrase "the fighting Irish" a complete joke. Mostly we are a nation of cowards who love to ring the Joe Duffy show instead of protesting. The ballot box is the right place for change i hear you shout, give me a break. FFG, Labour, SF??? :pac:

The establishment have made a right horses arse out of us all these last few years. Fighting over scraps whilst we repay billions per year interest on the banking debt. Funny how we never hear about that in the media anymore? It couldn't be an agenda could it :rolleyes:

gozunda · 13-12-2018 2:23pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

...
It seems the young working class have no hope of getting on the property ladder.

The PAYE equivalent French have it easy compared to a number of other EU countries and our own particularly punitive tax regime.

In France there is a mass of diehard anarchists / wanabe revolutionaries who would organise any old riot just for the hell of it. During this particular debacle the 'yellow vests' were blockading the countries motorways and stoping the 'working classes' from actually getting to work. Camped out with liberal quantities of booze - these lovely citizens are a menace to themselves and others.

To point - if you think it is just 'young working class' people here who can't get on the property ladder you're mistaken tbh.

13-12-2018 2:23pm

Lux23 wrote: »

How hard is it really to carry your licence in your pocket or bag? The things people get upset about is astounding to me sometimes.

So you have never forgotten your wallet ever in your whole life?
I find that hard to believe.
And for the leave it in your car argument,all grown ups drive different cars at times.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime simple as.
The people that drive without tax/insurance don't care if they lose their licence because they will continue on without it anyway.
Its the law abiding honest person (the 99%) who will suffer from ****e like this.

gctest50 · 13-12-2018 2:28pm

Just wait 'till there's a tachograph card reader in yer car

gozunda · 13-12-2018 2:30pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Just wait 'till there's a tachograph card reader in yer car

Just wait until there's only fully automated self driving cars ...

malinheader · 13-12-2018 2:30pm

John Sacrimoni wrote: »

Nothing will change unless you take the French approach. It needs to be proper civil unrest. They need to fear us.

Yes we need a good few changes. We need someone in government who will stand up and speak out about all the bad decisions being made and not be fearful of losing their cushy number and pensions etc etc.For one Could start by addressing the ludicrous wages paid to rte presenters through normal people's TV licence instead of rioting we could all stop paying. I don't agree with what happened in France destroying peoples cars and defacing national monuments.

Geuze · 13-12-2018 2:30pm

johndeere3350 wrote: »

I wonder is it time something like this happens here.
Personally the fuel tax here bothers me the most.

Fuel taxes are sensible, and should be increased.

50% marginal income tax rates on earnings of 35k approx are crazy.

Geuze · 13-12-2018 2:31pm

gozunda wrote: »

The PAYE equivalent French have it easy compared to a number of other EU countries and our own particularly punitive tax regime.

Direct taxes are higher in France than in Ireland.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:33pm

Geuze wrote: »

Fuel taxes are sensible, and should be increased.

50% marginal income tax rates on earnings of 35k approx are crazy.

Theres nearly a 70% tax on fuel here if you think that should be increased you are nuts

Ordinary man · 13-12-2018 2:33pm

It will never happen here cos it would be hijacked by sinn fein or some other gob****es and used to push a different message. Plus the people who should be protesting will be too busy trying to make a wage to survive

blinding · 13-12-2018 2:35pm

Health and safety will be very important when storming the Barricades !

Make sure ya bring your Hi - Vis . Snipers like a target .

John Sacrimoni · 13-12-2018 2:35pm

malinheader wrote: »

Yes we need a good few changes. We need someone in government who will stand up and speak out about all the bad decisions being made and not be fearful of losing their cushy number and pensions etc etc.For one Could start by addressing the ludicrous wages paid to rte presenters through normal people's TV licence instead of rioting we could all stop paying. I don't agree with what happened in France destroying peoples cars and defacing national monuments.

As bad as rioting is, i think without it Macron wouldnt have caved into the protestors demands. It can still be done without targetting ordinary joe soaps vehicles. Specific targets.

The defacing of the monuments was disgusting but we know who was behind that.

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:36pm

blinding wrote: »

Health and safety will be very important when storming the Barricades !

Make sure ya bring your Hi - Vis . Snipers like a target .

Hard hat boots and safety goggles make sure no one falls if you organise it as you will have a personal injury claim

John Sacrimoni · 13-12-2018 2:37pm

Ordinary man wrote: »

It will never happen here cos it would be hijacked by sinn fein or some other gob****es and used to push a different message. Plus the people who should be protesting will be too busy trying to make a wage to survive

PBP rent a mob would turn into being about refugees or some other shyte.

Guy:Incognito · 13-12-2018 2:37pm

cruizer101 wrote: »

Not hard at all, but it is also not hard to forget it.
Nipping out to get some milk, or get a call to pick someone up from the station cause its raining, easy enough to forget it.

The punishment doesn't match the crime.

How are you paying for the milk? With the cash or card that's in your wallet beside your licence by any chance?

johndeere3350 · 13-12-2018 2:38pm

blinding wrote: »

Health and safety will be very important when storming the Barricades !

Make sure ya bring your Hi - Vis . Snipers like a target .

Like was said about the TV licence if everyone refused to pay it theres nothing they can do

noodler · 13-12-2018 2:38pm

I'd say five years in a row of tax cuts and massive expenditure increases probably negates some of the cause for such a protest.

Not to mention regular min wage increases.

Obv, massive housing and health issues but money doesn't appear to be the limiting factor there.

Yellow vest movement ireland

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