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    #62
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    AidenL wrote: »
    KN are busily installing in Ballyshannon at the moment, they seem to have vans everywhere.

    That could still be SIRO. KN has done some of their builds and Ballyshannon is one of the planned areas.

    /M


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    #63
    AidenL
    Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭AidenL


    Marlow wrote: »
    That could still be SIRO. KN has done some of their builds and Ballyshannon is one of the planned areas.

    /M

    I'd be glad to see Siro, and Id switch to them when they arrive. Nicer package, better price also.

    I presumed it was Eir who was having the works done when I saw the April live date posted earlier.


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    #64
    AidenL
    Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭AidenL


    Marlow wrote: »
    That could still be SIRO. KN has done some of their builds and Ballyshannon is one of the planned areas.

    /M

    Eir vans there this evening, so its definitely them it appears.


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    #65
    Ush1
    Registered Users Posts: 11,461 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Will Eir still leave the old copper lines or will the fibre "replace the copper" in terms of physically and also what's on offer from providers?


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    #66
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Will Eir still leave the old copper lines or will the fibre "replace the copper" in terms of physically and also what's on offer from providers?

    If you have copper already, they can't remove it.

    If you don't have copper, they're not going to install it anymore, where they can avoid it.

    /M


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    #67
    Ush1
    Registered Users Posts: 11,461 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Marlow wrote: »
    If you have copper already, they can't remove it.

    If you don't have copper, they're not going to install it anymore, where they can avoid it.

    /M

    Thanks. So there is copper there, would they stop offering internet over the copper line once the fiber is there?


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    #68
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Thanks. So there is copper there, would they stop offering internet over the copper line once the fiber is there?

    Only if there is no capacity. As in all ports allocated.

    The copper products are currently cheaper than fibre, so there is still a market for them, if you don't need the speed.

    /M


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    #69
    Airwire: MartinL
    Company Representative Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Airwire: MartinL


    AidenL wrote: »
    KN are busily installing in Ballyshannon at the moment, they seem to have vans everywhere.
    AidenL wrote: »
    Eir vans there this evening, so its definitely them it appears.

    I can confirm, that 1800 premises in Ballyshannon will be enabled under the IFN. This is expected to be ready in April 2020 for that area.

    It has no impact on premises under the 300k. It's VDSL and ADSL served premises that are being enabled with FTTH now.


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    #70
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,479 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Eircom seeking approval from Comreg to deploy 10 Gbit/s symmetric-capable XGS-PON FTTH from Jan 2020 on its urban IFN.
    This product offering will mirror the speeds of Eircom’s existing FTTH platform and permit speeds of up to 1 Gb/s. It is planned that this will initially be made available in three “profiles” of 150Mb/s, 300Mb/s and 1Gb/s.

    https://www.comreg.ie/publication-download/eircoms-deployment-of-ifn-crd-551-1


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    #71
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,479 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    IFN Phase 1 launching Jan 2020.

    Appendix III of the proposed new NGA Technical Handbook describes the ONT Connection Model for XGS-PON - https://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6309https://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6309

    Huawei HN8250Ts XGS-PON bridging type ONT
    10G LAN port 5 is the demarcation point
    Split ratio 1:64 per OLT port
    Existing three GPON “profiles” of 150Mb/s, 300Mb/s and 1Gb/s will be used initially


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    #72
    KOR101
    Registered Users Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    The Cush wrote: »
    IFN Phase 1 launching Jan 2020.

    Appendix III of the proposed new NGA Technical Handbook describes the ONT Connection Model for XGS-PON - https://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6309https://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6309

    Huawei HN8250Ts XGS-PON bridging type ONT
    10G LAN port 5 is the demarcation point
    Split ratio 1:64 per OLT port
    Existing three GPON “profiles” of 150Mb/s, 300Mb/s and 1Gb/s will be used initially
    What is the existing system that Eir uses? I think I recall SIRO is 2.5Gb/s split 1:32. Or, have I got that wrong too?


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    #73
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,479 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    KOR101 wrote: »
    What is the existing system that Eir uses?

    GPON 1:32 split


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    #74
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I take it both the rural FTTH and urban IFN will be the same, both should also be upgradable to beyond 1 gig at the same time too using the same profiles across the board.


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    #75
    Varik
    Registered Users Posts: 12,483 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I take it both the rural FTTH and urban IFN will be the same, both should also be upgradable to beyond 1 gig at the same time too using the same profiles across the board.

    Wouldn't say so.

    They're going to leave the rural as long as they can after putting it in so relatively recently.


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    #76
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,479 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I take it both the rural FTTH and urban IFN will be the same, both should also be upgradable to beyond 1 gig at the same time too using the same profiles across the board.

    They won't be the same unless they replace existing GPON ONT and OLT card in the exchange, which I assume is highly unlikely based on cost alone.


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    #77
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    I take it that it will be probable it would happen some time in the distant future?


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    #78
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    KOR101 wrote: »
    What is the existing system that Eir uses? I think I recall SIRO is 2.5Gb/s split 1:32. Or, have I got that wrong too?

    Same for OpenEir and SIRO. And yes: 1:32 split, 2.5Gbit/s down, 1.25Gbit/s up.

    SIRO have been testing 10 Gbit/s symmetric on the same infrastructure as their GPON. They can deploy it side by side.

    /M


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    #79
    KOR101
    Registered Users Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    It does seem messy for EIR to be looking for approval from Jan 2020, unless they have already started that programme with XGS-PON regardsless.

    Is the splitting to 1:64 about network distances? Rural distances between OLT and ONU (?) being much greater than urban ones.


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    #80
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    tuxy wrote: »
    I take it that it will be probable it would happen some time in the distant future?

    I'd imagine they would. Speeds of more than 1 gig won't be needed for a few more years at least. Hopefully they will upgrade some of the rural routes at the same time as the urban ones, but this is probably a few years away from happening. I've a feeling they would upgrade rural routes beside major towns within 2 or 3km fairly quickly, especially if there is decent uptake and population in the area.

    Rural routes far out of town more than 6 or 7km with only a few houses would probably be upgraded at a later date.


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    #81
    Airwire: MartinL
    Company Representative Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Airwire: MartinL


    We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

    The update includes approx 21k new lines available in January as part of the IFN

    It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail


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    #82
    Bluehair
    Registered Users Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Bluehair


    Showing 21st Jan for me now. Looking at the 300mb offering, what’s the router and install fee and how long to get up and running do you think?


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    #83
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    some homes in the Supple Park area of Dunshaughlin also passing for FTTH in time for January.


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    #84
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Bluehair wrote: »
    Showing 21st Jan for me now. Looking at the 300mb offering, what’s the router and install fee and how long to get up and running do you think?

    With no delays you could possible get someone out to you one week from the live date. Prices are different for every provider.


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    #85
    Airwire: MartinL
    Company Representative Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Airwire: MartinL


    Bluehair wrote: »
    Showing 21st Jan for me now. Looking at the 300mb offering, what’s the router and install fee and how long to get up and running do you think?

    Our pricing can be found at http://airwire.ie/ftth

    What we typically see, is that once the order is placed and you are past the ready for order date, it takes about 4-5 work days to get an engineer out.

    If there are no complications, you will be up and running on that day. I can not speak for other providers.


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    #86
    Varik
    Registered Users Posts: 12,483 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Anywhere online with a list of place being added, not checking for a particular house/postcode just general areas.


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    #87
    shanec1928
    Registered Users Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    Varik wrote: »
    Anywhere online with a list of place being added, not checking for a particular house/postcode just general areas.
    be interested in this to see if the home house is on it, as can only get vdsl or virgin. Yet siro is across the road.


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    #88
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    shanec1928 wrote: »
    be interested in this to see if the home house is on it, as can only get vdsl or virgin. Yet siro is across the road.

    input the homes Eircode into Airwire's online checker and you'll know for sure.


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    #89
    Marlow
    Registered Users Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    The IFN will replace most of the now VDSL covered premises with FTTH, but it's not going to happen overnight. It will take years.

    I doubt OpenEIR will provide a map like with the 300k. So something like the Airwire Eircode checker is probably the nearest you get to checking things. That's updated weekly.

    Even the likes of SIRO pulled their maps eventually and only tell you county and city/town/village now + that you can check on eircode.

    /M


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    #90
    shanec1928
    Registered Users Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    Gonzo wrote: »
    input the homes Eircode into Airwire's online checker and you'll know for sure.
    I have been. Be nice to see some sort of a plan. So could advise stick with vm and there annual price changes for x amount then you have some options available.


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    #91
    Airwire: MartinL
    Company Representative Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Airwire: MartinL


    We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

    It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail


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