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01-10-2018, 23:05   #1
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Dublin Bus - Proposed 5 Year Deal Retaining All Routes from 2019

Haven't had a read through everything (links at bottom of post) but there are a few things that have jumped out based on having a 5 minute skim through, I'm sure someone else will spot something else

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The NTA has today released details of it's intentions to award a new 5 year Direct Award Contract to Dublin Bus for the years 2019 to 2024.

The Dublin Bus documents suggest that the NTA is minded not to open up any further routes to be competitively tendered before 2024 as it stands, but reserves the right to do so in certain circumstances.

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DB will be required to integrate further with the Transport for Ireland brand
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In keeping with these objectives, the following requirements will be included in future PSO funded bus contracts, whether tendered or directly awarded.

The Authority may also wish to provide passenger information on board buses to its specification. To assist customers in viewing the Dublin bus network as a single integrated entity, this information will need to continue to be presented in a common format and style regardless of bus operator.

It is important from a bus customer point of view to view all PSO services as an integrated package, irrespective of operator. A unifying brand is required to achieve this.
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The experience of the recent tender process highlights that there is significant effort and cost required to maintain the integration of services in a multi-operator environment.
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There's also a part about BusConnects which is interesting
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Early in the lifetime of the new contract, and once the final Bus Connects route network is confirmed, the Authority will need to work with Dublin Bus to amend or revise these routes and service levels to agree with those in the final Bus Connects network. This will require the Authority to negotiate a series of contract service variations with Dublin Bus.

In negotiating these contractual variations the Authority will need to be cognisant of two aspects in particular (1) the variation price Dublin Bus proposes to charge for the change, and whether the required variation can be implemented by Dublin Bus in a manner that provides good value for money to the Authority, (2) the ability of Dublin Bus to commit to the performance requirements for the service, including reliability, punctuality, regularity and customer service quality, and (3) the timescale for implementation of the variation, and whether it can be delivered by Dublin Bus in a manner that fits in with the overall Bus Connects network implementation programme.

If in the opinion of the Authority either route or service level variation costs or implementation timescales proposed by Dublin Bus appear to be excessive, the Authority reserves the right to competitively tender the services in question, in order to expedite the delivery of the Bus Connects service network in a timely and cost effective manner.

The scale of the changes to bus services anticipated in the Bus Connects network, including the introduction of entirely new bus routes in some areas, means that the Authority will need to consider further whether those routes will be added to the Direct Award contract with Dublin Bus or be competitively tendered.
Essentially appears to be saying that if DB are unreasonable on what they ask for from BusConnects, then the NTA will tender the routes out, which appears to be an attempt to try and keep them honest on costs, among other things.

NTA Documents
- DB Consultation Paper
- DB Proposed Contract
- DB Technical Report

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01-10-2018, 23:13   #2
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I've been wondering where to post this so maybe we can adjust the thread title

But I heard there a little while ago, the Bus Eireann pay talks were taking place today in the WRC and management announced that the NTA tomorrow that a consultation period for tendering a further 10% of BUS Eireann will begin.

Made for interesting reactions from drivers.
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Today, the National Transport Authority (NTA) announced their intention to enter into a further direct award contract with Dublin Bus in 2019 for the provision of bus services in the Dublin metropolitan region from 2019 to 2024. This includes all services currently operated by Dublin Bus, except those previously tendered in 2017.

The National Transport Authority will commence a public consultation process on this matter and Dublin Bus looks forward to the final decision in November.

Dublin Bus CEO, Ray Coyne, welcomed the announcement; “We will now carefully consider this proposal but we believe it reflects the success Dublin Bus has delivered and means we would continue to operate all Public Service Obligation routes in Dublin for the next five years, excluding those previously tendered in 2017”.

While the NTA report notes in particular that Dublin Bus has achieved a very high level of customer satisfaction, we are committed to continuing to find new ways to improve our services and ensure we are offering a sustainable service for our growing number of customers. In 2017, we carried 139 million customers and this trend is continuing during 2018 with numbers projected to increase to over 145 million customers by the end of the year.
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Have DB agreed a pay deal yet, the current one is up around Feb if I'm not mistaken?
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Have DB agreed a pay deal yet, the current one is up around Feb if I'm not mistaken?
No, current agreement concluded 10 months ago with the last 3.75% rise.
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No, current agreement concluded 10 months ago with the last 3.75% rise.
Have they not submitted a new claim yet?
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Have they not submitted a new claim yet?
Not yet.

There may be discussions at local level (have not been informed of any though), but nothing has come through the WRC yet.

I understood they may be waiting for GA to be fully operational first before any potential claim.
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Not yet.

There may be discussions at local level (have not been informed of any though), but nothing has come through the WRC yet.

I understood they may be waiting for GA to be fully operational first before any potential claim.
Was thinking GA are responsible for no claim yet.
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Does anyone know if they plan to move to a direct payment model (like GAI and Transdev) under the new contract or will they continue to let DB keep the farebox? It would simplify ticketing and finances considerably if they changed from the current model.
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Does anyone know if they plan to move to a direct payment model (like GAI and Transdev) under the new contract or will they continue to let DB keep the farebox? It would simplify ticketing and finances considerably if they changed from the current model.
All direct award contracts are net costs contracts meaning the operator keeps all fare revenue.

Competitive tendering contracts are gross cost contracts which means the operator does not see any of the fare box.

This is pretty sandard accross the EU, however, the consultation oddly enough states:-

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It is also in interest of the public transport customer that a Gross Cost contract with incentives is introduced as well as further incentives and penalties to enhance customer experience.
The proposed contract itself however confirms it will be net cost based.

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The NTA has recently published the report into the next DB contract aswell as submissions from interested parties.
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Something odd I noticed in the report

“There is a strong case for moving the existing Dublin Bus routes 33 and 65 to a different form of service, more appropriate for towns of their distance from the city. There is also a strong case for linking them more closely with Bus Eireann routes 101 and 132 that parallel them to some extent. It should be noted that changes to operating area has already once been made in this decade, when Dublin Bus withdrew from Kilcock, leaving it to be served by Bus Eireann.”

They fail to mention that the changes in kilcock were very unpopular and also with a population of 6k vs 21k in the case of balbriggan I’m not sure the cases are as similar as Dublin bus are trying to portray. Personally pulling out of balbriggan and leaving it to just irish rail (who are already experienced massive capacity shortages) and Bus Éireann who are due to lose the 101 route as is due to poor performance is an idiot idea.
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Is there similar information, contract/consultation details etc, available on the routes GAI were given?
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Is there similar information, contract/consultation details etc, available on the routes GAI were given?
Unlike Dublin Bus, Go Ahead Ireland were not given any routes, they had to competitively tender for them.

The only other operator that was given a direct award has similar details available.
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