Poppy

bobbysands81 · 18-10-2018 1:16pm

Allyson Obnoxious Tailgate wrote: »

I did know what you were talking about but I thought I'd give an example of where it actually happened.

The British military is liable to cross Irish borders these days in an effort to help us in a search and rescue role.. And our Air Corps does the same up north, recently we provided a water bucket carrying heli to help the northern authorities fight gorse fires during our hot dry summer.

These poppy threads always lift the rocks under which post ceasefire republicans shelter, I just don't bother getting into discussion with them.

Personally I think the Poppy Appeal is a great charity in so far as it helps the general public to remember the men and women who'd served in the British armed forces, and the donations help those soldiers and their families during difficult times.

Outside of that I leave the hysterics to the republican knuckle draggers who only emerge during discussions like this, the Easter Lilly and the Israeli/Palestine monkeys tea party.

Your role as a member of our (so called) Defence Forces is to protect the State and it’s people... yet you think a charity that raises money for people in a foreign army that have attacked the Irish state and murdered its citizens is a “great charity”?

Sounds a bit messed up to me.

18-10-2018 1:27pm

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Your role as a member of our (so called) Defence Forces is to protect the State and it’s people... yet you think a charity that raises money for people in a foreign army that have attacked the Irish state and murdered its citizens is a “great charity”?

Sounds a bit messed up to me.

Didn’t the IRA attack the Irish state, it’s soldiers, police force and even refused to recognize the Dail until recently?

riffmongous · 18-10-2018 1:42pm

Aegir wrote: »

Didn’t the IRA attack the Irish state, it’s soldiers, police force and even refused to recognize the Dail until recently?

The Continuity IRA still don't

RustyNut · 18-10-2018 2:15pm

Allyson Obnoxious Tailgate wrote: »

Aegir wrote: »

Fascinating character.

You know what I mean though, it’s not like the RIR are going to turn up for work tomorrow and be told right lads, grab your guns we’re off to Cavan.

Hostilities take weeks/months to build up before any actual fighting takes place.

I did know what you were talking about but I thought I'd give an example of where it actually happened.

The British military is liable to cross Irish borders these days in an effort to help us in a search and rescue role.. And our Air Corps does the same up north, recently we provided a water bucket carrying heli to help the northern authorities fight gorse fires during our hot dry summer.

These poppy threads always lift the rocks under which post ceasefire republicans shelter, I just don't bother getting into discussion with them.

Personally I think the Poppy Appeal is a great charity in so far as it helps the general public to remember the men and women who'd served in the British armed forces, and the donations help those soldiers and their families during difficult times.

Outside of that I leave the hysterics to the republican knuckle draggers who only emerge during discussions like this, the Easter Lilly and the Israeli/Palestine monkeys tea party.

It's a good job there are some pro imperialist West brit zionizt terror sympathisers here to tell people how it really is.

Ragnar Lothbrok · 18-10-2018 2:41pm

Allyson Obnoxious Tailgate wrote: »

These poppy threads always lift the rocks under which post ceasefire republicans shelter, I just don't bother getting into discussion with them.

Outside of that I leave the hysterics to the republican knuckle draggers who only emerge during discussions like this, the Easter Lilly and the Israeli/Palestine monkeys tea party.

Fortunately, those Republicans who led the Peace Process (and even the Unionists & Loyalists who eventually followed) had a far greater understanding of the need for discussion with their political and military opponents.

The fact that you dismiss Republicans as knuckle draggers just highlights your own particular prejudices. Is every Sinn Féin voter a knuckle dragger? If you think so, you've just insulted a very significant number of people on this island.

Sunny Disposition · 18-10-2018 3:56pm

Allyson Obnoxious Tailgate wrote: »

I did know what you were talking about but I thought I'd give an example of where it actually happened.

The British military is liable to cross Irish borders these days in an effort to help us in a search and rescue role.. And our Air Corps does the same up north, recently we provided a water bucket carrying heli to help the northern authorities fight gorse fires during our hot dry summer.

These poppy threads always lift the rocks under which post ceasefire republicans shelter, I just don't bother getting into discussion with them.

Personally I think the Poppy Appeal is a great charity in so far as it helps the general public to remember the men and women who'd served in the British armed forces, and the donations help those soldiers and their families during difficult times.

Outside of that I leave the hysterics to the republican knuckle draggers who only emerge during discussions like this, the Easter Lilly and the Israeli/Palestine monkeys tea party.

A great charity helping British soldiers? The family and friends of Aidan McAnespie might not agree. There might be some merit in remembering people who were killed in wars, but none at all in giving money to people on the basis they were part of the British Army, which killed many civilians in Ireland during the Troubles and evaded responsibility.

AudreyHepburn · 18-10-2018 4:09pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

But they weren’t innocent young men.

Your hero went and picked up a gun to kill people to make money for himself.

There’s no innocence in that.

You’re making him sound like a hit man. He was, I can assure you, far from it.

Snickers Man · 18-10-2018 4:23pm

Allyson Obnoxious Tailgate wrote: »

As a serving soldier I don't wear a poppy, but I've donated to the appeal because it helps a lot of Irish families during their hardest times.. But besides that I'd also defend another Irish persons wish to donate to the poppy appeal by wearing a poppy.

No problem with that.

An ardent Irish nationalist of my acquaintance was once, while working in Northern Ireland way back in the 1980s, invited to contribute to the Poppy Appeal. He later learned that his tolerant manner, and cultured southern Irish accent, had convinced many of his circle that he was in fact an Irish Protestant with likely Unionist sensibilities.

On receiving the request he could see one of his colleagues, who knew him well, look aghast at the poppy seller and clearly trying to indicate wordlessly "No! Not him! He's a Fenian. Don't embarrass him!"

His response was that he'd be delighted to buy a poppy and contribute to the appeal. After all, his own father had been a war casualty while serving in the British army and his own mother might have benefited from the generosity of the British Legion.

"But," he announced emphatically. "I'll be damned if I'm going to wear it!"

What's more important? Actions (donating to the appeal) or gestures (posing with the poppy)?

Private citizens can do what they like as far as I'm concerned. But I think it is utterly inappropriate for representatives of this state to wear a symbol commemorating all actions of an army that is not our own, over which we have no influence, and was frequently our adversary.

I don't care what Sinn Fein's airhead candidate for the presidency thinks.

Zebra3 · 18-10-2018 4:39pm

I find it hilarious that so many think the poppy appeal is a great charity.

Why doesn’t the British state just look after its’ killers?

Ragnar Lothbrok · 18-10-2018 4:41pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

I find it hilarious that so many think the poppy appeal is a great charity.

Why doesn’t the British state just look after its’ killers?

Because the British state doesn't give a fook about the young, mainly working class men it sends out to do its dirty work.

18-10-2018 5:29pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

I find it hilarious that so many think the poppy appeal is a great charity.

Why doesn’t the British state just look after its’ killers?

That argument could quite easily be made for any charity.

18-10-2018 5:33pm

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Because the British state doesn't give a fook about the young, mainly working class men it sends out to do its dirty work.

yeah, that's bollocks.

You do know why Harry and Meghan are in Sydney at the moment, yes? or dies Harry not count as part of the "British State"?

Ragnar Lothbrok · 18-10-2018 5:35pm

Aegir wrote: »

That argument could quite easily be made for any charity.

Not at all. These soldiers were directly employed by the British government to carry out the policies of that government.

The same cannot be said for a donkey sanctuary or a local sports club or the thousands of other charities people raise money for.

Ragnar Lothbrok · 18-10-2018 5:38pm

Aegir wrote: »

yeah, that's bollocks.

You do know why Harry and Meghan are in Sydney at the moment, yes? or dies Harry not count as part of the "British State"?

Not bollocks really, or the British government would support it's former soldiers who need financial assistance directly as a result of the injuries they received whilst serving that government. Not that the British would be alone in that regard.

I have no idea why Harry and Meghan are in Australia. I care even less.

Zebra3 · 18-10-2018 5:59pm

Aegir wrote: »

That argument could quite easily be made for any charity.

No it couldn’t.

Odhinn · 18-10-2018 6:11pm

Aegir wrote: »

That argument could quite easily be made for any charity.

....that the British state should look after its killers? Fairly sure Banardos and the life boat shop are safe there.

18-10-2018 6:59pm

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Not at all. These soldiers were directly employed by the British government to carry out the policies of that government.

The same cannot be said for a donkey sanctuary or a local sports club or the thousands of other charities people raise money for.

yes, because all charities look after Donkies. Not, for example, lifeboats or cancer research, or feeding homeless people. Should we stop donating to these charities, because the Government should do it all?

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Not bollocks really, or the British government would support it's former soldiers who need financial assistance directly as a result of the injuries they received whilst serving that government. Not that the British would be alone in that regard.

they do. Because you don't know about it, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/debt-and-money/pensions/types-of-pension/pension-and-compensation-schemes-for-the-armed-forces-veterans-and-their-families/

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/armed-forces-and-veterans/

How much can any one government do though? for anything major, specialist organisations are usually best placed to help people long term, especially if they are suffering from PTSD or life changing injuries, or supporting the families of soldiers killed whilst on active duty. The government can easily provide short term care, which they do very well, but longer term requires more specialist support, usually from people who have had a similar experience/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/05/afghanistan-injured-soldiers-rehabilitation

remember of course, the soldiers in that article where in Afghanistan on a UN mission. A mission that was sanctioned and voted on unanimously by the UN security council.

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

I have no idea why Harry and Meghan are in Australia. I care even less.

so you don't know, or care that Harry is in Australia to open the Invictus games (an event he was instrumental in setting up) and yet you are somehow qualified to make a statement that the British State don't care about their ex service men.

Is your name Jon Snow by any chance?

Zebra3 · 18-10-2018 7:01pm

If the British state cared about its soldiers it would look after them.

Good old Nazi Harry rebuilding his image. What better way than appealing to the squaddie groupies?

Odhinn · 18-10-2018 7:09pm

Aegir wrote: »

yes, because all charities look after Donkies. Not, for example, lifeboats or cancer research, or feeding homeless people. Should we stop donating to these charities, because the Government should do it all?

............

No, he was referring to the people they send out to war specifically.

Sciprio · 18-10-2018 7:21pm

My father was in the British army, he joined in 1958 for six years then joined the Irish army for 21 years but even he wouldn't wear a poppy or care about the British Government. He only did that as he was too young at first for the Irish so went over to england after his brother gave him a fiver to go over by boat.

Church on Tuesday · 18-10-2018 7:33pm

zapitastas wrote: »

Is a little more complex given that Redmond was pushing Irish volunteers to join the war on the side of the British as a means to obtain home rule. I would have sympathy with those men who were misled. For others who did it as mercenaries that is another story

I think it's a bit harsh to call them mercenaries TBH, for a lot of men it was a way to make a few bob and send it back to the wife and kids.

The vast majority went at the behest of Redmond for what they ultimately thought was for eventual Home Rule.

Church on Tuesday · 18-10-2018 7:42pm

Patww79 wrote: »

God no the new breed couldn't be seen with anything Irish. Being ultra modern and progressive is about disowning all things Irish and embracing the anti. Balls deep in it.

Well I consider myself progressive so I guess that makes me part of the 'new breed' whatever that means.

I have also on occasion worn the Easter Lily and proudly as my grandfather fought in the War of Independence.

You need to be less presumptuous.

joe40 · 18-10-2018 8:00pm

I worked in England for 4 years in the nineties and there was none of this poppy hysteria. Some people wore them but there was zero pressure put on anyone. It was an individuals choice nothing more.
When did this all change?

18-10-2018 8:11pm

joe40 wrote: »

I worked in England for 4 years in the nineties and there was none of this poppy hysteria. Some people wore them but there was zero pressure put on anyone. It was an individuals choice nothing more.
When did this all change?

When social media made everything outrageous to someone.

An Claidheamh · 18-10-2018 8:18pm

evolving_doors wrote: »

There's a red one with a shamrock now, so is there any more need for debate?

So basically, donate to the pensions of the Dublin and Monaghan terrorists -
as there is a shamrock on the blood stained poppy.

This country....

Zebra3 · 18-10-2018 8:30pm

joe40 wrote: »

I worked in England for 4 years in the nineties and there was none of this poppy hysteria. Some people wore them but there was zero pressure put on anyone. It was an individuals choice nothing more.
When did this all change?

When it became a tool of conforming to support for Britain’s (latest) war crimes in the Middle East.

Edgware · 18-10-2018 8:37pm

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

So, I'm a scrote am I? That's a highly impressive way of you to join a debate.

The Special Branch were extremely petty when it came to harassment of Republicans - they needed to ensure they got their massive overtime cheques too. Regular stop and search on the street of Republicans continued until way into the Peace Process and after the GFA too.

Not to mention the rather more serious activities of the Heavy Gang and their like that were common enough too.

"Republicans"
What's Republican about planting no warning bombs in pubs in Birmingham and slaughtering young people on a night out?

Hopefully the Special Branch shoved your collection box up your hole

bobbysands81 · 18-10-2018 10:40pm

Edgware wrote: »

Hopefully the Special Branch shoved your collection box up your hole

Edgware wrote: »

Oh I'd say they really went out to frustrate the scrotes going around the pubs with their tin box collecting a few bob from the bar stool republicans

Edgware wrote: »

Poor candidate choice by SF. Usual scumbag behaviour by SF supporters no surprise

You ok hon?

riffmongous · 19-10-2018 12:06am

Ouch

https://twitter.com/giantpoppywatch/status/1052539947499044864

weldoninhio · 19-10-2018 8:10am

joe40 wrote: »

I worked in England for 4 years in the nineties and there was none of this poppy hysteria. Some people wore them but there was zero pressure put on anyone. It was an individuals choice nothing more.
When did this all change?

When Britain needed fodder for Iraq/Afghanistan they needed to big up the military.

AdrianLM · 19-10-2018 8:19am

It's still the Royal British Legion supporting all ex British troops, so no there's no need for debate. You either support them or you don't.

Agreed, Not a chance would I wear one. Anyone who knows their history wouldn't either. Where's the accountability for Bloody Sunday? Do I want to help supplement some paras pension fund who shot civilians in Derry? Not a chance.

19-10-2018 8:34am

Odhinn wrote: »

....that the British state should look after its killers? Fairly sure Banardos and the life boat shop are safe there.

Nah, those kids Barnardos helps will be part of the future generation of killers! Safer to donate to a dog's home instead.

Animals never had a war - who's the real animals? - Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth.

Ragnar Lothbrok · 19-10-2018 8:40am

Aegir wrote: »

yes, because all charities look after Donkies. Not, for example, lifeboats or cancer research, or feeding homeless people. Should we stop donating to these charities, because the Government should do it all

I'm pretty sure that is the exact opposite of what I said! My point is (please read this carefully before responding) that the British government employed the soldiers and were responsible for sending them to conflicts and should therefore support them without the need for extra funding from charities such as the annual Poppy Day appeal.

Ridiculous of you to suggest I said all charities look after donkeys (please note the correct plural of donkey is not "Donkies"). My exact line was "The same cannot be said for a donkey sanctuary or a local sports club or the thousands of other charities people raise money for."

Where did I say that the British government should fund every organisation or cause that is looking for charity? I didn't. If you're going to answer my posts, at least have the decency to read my posts properly and reply to the relevant points you disagree with. Don't misquote me or insinuate that I made comments which I clearly didn't.

The Rape of Lucretia · 19-10-2018 8:44am

AdrianLM wrote: »

Agreed, Not a chance would I wear one. Anyone who knows their history wouldn't either. Where's the accountability for Bloody Sunday? Do I want to help supplement some paras pension fund who shot civilians in Derry? Not a chance.

Where is the respect for the thousands of Irishmen who faught courageously who spilled their blood in Flanders and gave their lives fighting a just cause for country and Empire?

Embarrassment at Ireland's national cowardice the second time around can make weary a poppy look a bit rich, but I still dont feel it is a reason not to commemorate and remember our fallen.

AnneFrank · 19-10-2018 8:47am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Where is the respect for the thousands of Irishmen who faught courageously who spilled their blood in Flanders and gave their lives fighting a just cause for country and Empire?

Embarrassment at Ireland's national cowardice the second time around can make weary a poppy look a bit rich, but I still dont feel it is a reason not to commemorate and remember our fallen.

Irish cowardice because of neutrality?

AdrianLM · 19-10-2018 8:51am

Where is the respect for the thousands of Irishmen who faught courageously
who spilled their blood in Flanders and gave their lives fighting a just cause
for country and Empire?

What just cause? During the great war there were no good or bad guys, just two sides who were almost as imperialistic as each other.

You are entitled to wear one if you want, same as I am entitled to my opinion.

Ragnar Lothbrok · 19-10-2018 8:52am

Aegir wrote: »

so you don't know, or care that Harry is in Australia to open the Invictus games (an event he was instrumental in setting up) and yet you are somehow qualified to make a statement that the British State don't care about their ex service men.

Is your name Jon Snow by any chance?

I'm afraid I still don't care why they are there. Fair play to them for raising funds for their own soldiers, I suppose. Still doesn't mean I think any Irish person should support the poppy appeal.

No government really gives a damn about its former soldiers (or current soldiers either). They are mostly cannon-fodder to be used and used again until they're no longer any use and then tossed onto the scrap heap. This is, of course, a generalisation, but it's been proven again and again after any major conflict. How well do you think the British government treated the soldiers coming back from the trenches after the First World War, for example?

To quote a character from one of my favourite shows "You know nothin', Jon Snow."

The Rape of Lucretia · 19-10-2018 8:57am

AdrianLM wrote: »

What just cause? During the great war there were no good or bad guys, just two sides who were almost as imperialistic as each other.

What???

Read a little history.
They may not have had the Nazi racial ideology, but the Prussian militarist motivation to crush France was the same before, during and after The GW.
Bad guys im anybody's book.
Repelling them was entirely noble and just.

Ragnar Lothbrok · 19-10-2018 8:58am

Edgware wrote: »

"Republicans"
What's Republican about planting no warning bombs in pubs in Birmingham and slaughtering young people on a night out?

Hopefully the Special Branch shoved your collection box up your hole

You make excellent points there.

I've changed my mind over the whole poppy issue. Now all I need to do is remove the old collection box from my hole and I can go around collecting for this worthy cause.

:rolleyes:

joe40 · 19-10-2018 9:01am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Where is the respect for the thousands of Irishmen who faught courageously who spilled their blood in Flanders and gave their lives fighting a just cause for country and Empire?

Embarrassment at Ireland's national cowardice the second time around can make weary a poppy look a bit rich, but I still dont feel it is a reason not to commemorate and remember our fallen.

Now I know you're on a wind up

19-10-2018 9:08am

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

I'm afraid I still don't care why they are there

you don't care because it doesn't fit in with you rather narrow mindset.

Don't wear a poppy, no one will care, but if you wear (or in your case actually sell) the Easter Lilly, you are in no position to preach to people about "Killers" now, are you?

I notice you conveniently ducked that point the last time I made it.

sbsquarepants · 19-10-2018 9:14am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

You’re making him sound like a hit man. He was, I can assure you, far from it.

You're the one who made him sound like a hit man, it was you yourself who said he only done it for the money!

Aegir wrote: »

How much can any one government do though? for anything major, specialist organisations are usually best placed to help people long term, especially if they are suffering from PTSD or life changing injuries, or supporting the families of soldiers killed whilst on active duty?

There always seems to be enough money to fund the war in the first place though doesn't there - just never enough to cover the damage it causes.

In fairness to the Brits they look after their soldiers better than most, but being the best of a very bad bunch isn't much to be proud of!

I'm not sure what age you are but it's very recently that Tony Blair stood up in parliament and told barefaced lies to involve Britain in a disastrous war in the middle east (at the behest of the equally dishonest George Bush), which has basically thrown the world into chaos (in years to come there is a real chance historians might view this as the starting point of WW3 -assuming there's any historians left after WW3!)

Between them, these pair killed millions of people for oil, but are they in the despot section of the history books along site Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin? Are they fúck, they're making millions giving after dinner speeches, pontificating about freedom and morality.

Let them take some of that oil money and pay the for the medical treatment of the unfortunate gobshítes who went and got themselves maimed for it.

Ragnar Lothbrok · 19-10-2018 9:34am

Aegir wrote: »

you don't care because it doesn't fit in with you rather narrow mindset.

I don't care because it's a foreign government, a foreign royal family and a foreign charitable organisation to raise funds for foreign soldiers. I equally don't care how the French, American, German or Rwandan governments provide for their ex soldiers.

Aegir wrote: »

Don't wear a poppy, no one will care, but if you wear (or in your case actually sell) the Easter Lilly, you are in no position to preach to people about "Killers" now, are you?

I notice you conveniently ducked that point the last time I made it.

I make no apologies for being a Republican who supported the IRA. The IRA didn't occupy six counties of England and subject a large portion of the population to long term discrimination and second class citizenship. The IRA weren't responsible for hundreds of years of oppression in a foreign country.

In my eyes (obviously you will disagree) the IRA fought a just war against the British army and the oppression of the British government. So I am proud to say that I wear an Easter lily and sold Easter lilies.

In no way do I see this as being the same as wearing a poppy and raising funds for the British army, who occupied this country and harassed, tortured and killed its people.

So, now I have answered the point you made. I must have missed it earlier as it was just one point amongst many that you have made that I totally disagree with.

Folkstonian · 19-10-2018 9:34am

Could somebody explain to me why the poppy causes such heated debate on this forum?

I ask because I don’t actually remember seeing a single person either wearing or selling the poppy in Dublin last autumn. Admittedly I wasn’t keeping an eye out for them but being English I’m sure I’d have noticed regardless.

I completely understand and sympathise with the historic sensitivities, but it’s only an issue here for the people that want it to be one.

FWIW when I’m in London I gladly donate to the RBL and wear the poppy because it’s got personal meaning to me, but I wouldn’t do so over here because I wouldn’t want to upset or offend anyone who sees it in a negative light

Edgware · 19-10-2018 9:42am

Folkstonian wrote: »

Could somebody explain to me why the poppy causes such heated debate on this forum?

I ask because I don’t actually remember seeing a single person either wearing or selling the poppy in Dublin last autumn. Admittedly I wasn’t keeping an eye out for them but being English I’m sure I’d have noticed regardless.

I completely understand and sympathise with the historic sensitivities, but it’s only an issue here for the people that want it to be one.

FWIW when I’m in London I gladly donate to the RBL and wear the poppy because it’s got personal meaning to me, but I wouldn’t do so over here because I wouldn’t want to upset or offend anyone who sees it in a negative light

Wharever we do we mustnt offend anyone

Ragnar Lothbrok · 19-10-2018 9:46am

Folkstonian wrote: »

Could somebody explain to me why the poppy causes such heated debate on this forum?

I ask because I don’t actually remember seeing a single person either wearing or selling the poppy in Dublin last autumn. Admittedly I wasn’t keeping an eye out for them but being English I’m sure I’d have noticed regardless.

I completely understand and sympathise with the historic sensitivities, but it’s only an issue here for the people that want it to be one.

FWIW when I’m in London I gladly donate to the RBL and wear the poppy because it’s got personal meaning to me, but I wouldn’t do so over here because I wouldn’t want to upset or offend anyone who sees it in a negative light

The fact that the British government still occupies six counties and still has an armed presence there goes hand in hand with the historical sensitivities.

I too think the relevance of the poppy is completely overplayed on boards, but that's what you get I suppose on these sort of sites. For my part, if I read something here that I strongly disagree with, I find it difficult to ignore it!

Until we have a united Ireland, I would imagine that there are many of us who would be annoyed or offended at the sight of the poppy on Irish streets. At a stretch, it could be compared to seeing pro-ISIS badges being worn on English streets.

Keyzer · 19-10-2018 9:49am

Not this ****e again...

Ragnar Lothbrok · 19-10-2018 10:04am

Keyzer wrote: »

Not this ****e again...

It's a little known fact that Boards would implode without this thread each year

AdrianLM · 19-10-2018 10:19am

Read a little history.
They may not have had the Nazi racial ideology,
but the Prussian militarist motivation to crush France was the same before,
during and after The GW.
Bad guys im anybody's book.
Repelling them was
entirely noble and just.

Yes and the Germans were the only ones who used gas (not) etc etc.

You seem to have totally missed the point I was making. The poppy is meant to "remember the dead of all wars" and I respect that. But I will not be wearing one as it would mean funding retired veterans, some of whom have committed murder on this very island and have not been held accountable for their actions.

sbsquarepants · 19-10-2018 10:19am

Slight aside - They are a lovely flower I have to say, I'm not what you'd call a gardener or flower enthusiast, but I'm going to get some for my garden come spring.
They remind me of my nanny - she loved them, I used to pick them for her when I was a kid!

Poppy

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