Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

tylercheribini · 19-09-2019 9:55am

facehugger99 wrote: »

It always amuses me the fawning that any RTE-produced series gets for not being absolute rubbish.

Love/Hate, Bachelors Walk and Paths to Freedom were incredibly ordinary but got hyped to high-heaven for not being absolute muck.

Irish audiences have been conditioned to accept a very low bar of quality.

True, trying to go toe toe with Netflix, BBC on big budget drama's or even light hearted entertainment is utterly futile, it should aim to fulfil its public service remit and thats it.

Boggles · 19-09-2019 10:08am

tylercheribini wrote: »

My point being RTE could have either produced in house or through somebody else for far cheaper, not really a fan of Keith Barry but it was at least refreshing to see something new on RTE last night.

I think it is pretty much accepted and a fact that in house production is far more expensive, and the calls are for RTE to outsource far more than do.

tylercheribini wrote: »

Like it or loathe the show, Love/Hate was a popular and a rare success story for the broadcaster. In comparison to RTE's general efforts at drama it is Goodfellas.

I don't loath it, I think it was good to a point, just overhyped beyond the extreme.

The best thing IMO Rte have every produced was a mini series called Family from 1994.

Sean McGinley was in it and it was written by Roddy Doyle and directed by Michael Winterbottom.

I don't know how it has aged but if it can be got on archive, I'd very much give it a watch.

ShamNNspace · 19-09-2019 10:08am

tylercheribini wrote: »

Boggles wrote: »

Well it makes perfect sense if you think about it, repeats are the cheapest thing to air.

In the court of public opnion it does RTE no favours though, all people see are endless repeats and wonder where their licence fee is going I fail to believe they cant produce anything new at a fraction of the cost of sending Norris, Dana and co to Morocco. If RTE was struggling to fund another series of a popular show such as Love/Hate they would have a much stronger argument in the eyes of the public I think.

Or sending that annoying Brennan hotelier fella and the rest to SA and Asia or
Sending brannon to Australia
Of course they have to send the ear to the ground crew overseas any chance they get
Never mind that Hector lad on tg4 leppin all the way from siberia to China
They even managed to get a man most unsuitable for a travel programme Charlie Bird to go to Africa and one of the poles.. He complained all the way
just off the top of my head there's plenty more

Boggles · 19-09-2019 10:10am

tylercheribini wrote: »

True, trying to go toe toe with Netflix, BBC on big budget drama's or even light hearted entertainment is utterly futile, it should aim to fulfil its public service remit and thats it.

Hang on, on one hand you saying it should produce gritty expensive crime thrillers and on the other you are saying it shouldn't go toe toe with others producing similar content.

You can't have both.

Also are RTE not fulfilling it's public service remit?

That is a low bar, if that is all it did it would be unrecognizable in 5 years.

tylercheribini · 19-09-2019 10:27am

Boggles wrote: »

Hang on, on one hand you saying it should produce gritty expensive crime thrillers and on the other you are saying it shouldn't go toe toe with others producing similar content.

You can't have both.

Also are RTE not fulfilling it's public service remit?

That is a low bar, if that is all it did it would be unrecognizable in 5 years.

Love/Hate was a complete one off/flash in the pan/all the planets aligned show which probably wouldnt happen again if RTE funded/bought/commisioned/whatever semantics apply to a multitude of future shows. My point being they cant afford to absorb the costs of a ratio of failures in the hope of one success like a Netflix would. RTE is the definition of Sturgeons Law,perhaps even surpassing it, if RTE was soley fulfilling its public service remit and nothing else then I dont think they would be in the financial trouble they are in.

Boggles · 19-09-2019 10:28am

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Or sending that annoying Brennan hotelier fella and the rest to SA and Asia or
Sending brannon to Australia
Of course they have to send the ear to the ground crew overseas any chance they get
Never mind that Hector lad on tg4 leppin all the way from siberia to China
They even managed to get a man most unsuitable for a travel programme Charlie Bird to go to Africa and one of the poles.. He complained all the way
just off the top of my head there's plenty more

All do well above average in ratings.

I don't see a problem with that to be honest, that's exactly what RTE need to be doing.

You are basing public service broadcasting on your own personal taste, that is your first and biggest mistake.

tylercheribini · 19-09-2019 10:30am

In fairness to TG4 they do far more with far less than RTE.

Boggles · 19-09-2019 10:36am

tylercheribini wrote: »

Love/Hate was a complete one off/flash in the pan/all the planets aligned show which probably wouldnt happen again if RTE funded/bought/commisioned/whatever semantics apply to a multitude of future shows. My point being they cant afford to absorb the costs of a ratio of failures in the hope of one success like a Netflix would. RTE is the definition of Sturgeons Law,perhaps even surpassing it, if RTE was soley fulfilling its public service remit and nothing else then I dont think they would be in the financial trouble they are in.

If RTE was only fulfilling it's public service remit it would die a complete death, we'd probably have one radio station and one or two TV stations that would be so bland no one would watch, commercial revenue would dry up and that would be that.

It's a terrible idea.

RTE have a huge opportunity IMO to buy in the pick of content for relatively cheap off the big streamers who are about to dilute their content to within an inch of their lives.

They should also up their collaborations with the big hitters, Canal+, Channel 4, BBC, etc.

I see nothing but opportunities coming down the line, if they can get themselves on a solid footing in the next 5 years.

tylercheribini · 19-09-2019 10:52am

Boggles wrote: »

I see nothing but opportunities coming down the line, if they can get themselves on a solid footing in the next 5 years.

Nothing in RTE's past suggests that to me.

TG4 produce superior indigenous programming on a minuscule budget and when they air filler at least its the Connemara legend himself, Clint Eastwood.

:D

facehugger99 · 19-09-2019 10:59am

Boggles wrote: »

If RTE was only fulfilling it's public service remit it would die a complete death, we'd probably have one radio station and one or two TV stations

Sounds perfect.

TV license down to €40 a year, sign me up.

There's plenty of commercial stations serving up 'cookery show/travel show/house renovation show' slop, if that's what you're into.

Why are we being fleeced to the tune of €160 per annun to pay for more of it?

ShamNNspace · 19-09-2019 11:07am

Boggles wrote: »

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Or sending that annoying Brennan hotelier fella and the rest to SA and Asia or
Sending brannon to Australia
Of course they have to send the ear to the ground crew overseas any chance they get
Never mind that Hector lad on tg4 leppin all the way from siberia to China
They even managed to get a man most unsuitable for a travel programme Charlie Bird to go to Africa and one of the poles.. He complained all the way
just off the top of my head there's plenty more

All do well above average in ratings.

I don't see a problem with that to be honest, that's exactly what RTE need to be doing.

You are basing public service broadcasting on your own personal taste, that is your first and biggest mistake.

So what part of public service are the above programmes serving?
These programmes belong on a commercial station where they should sink or swim on the advertising revenue etc they bring in if they really are so popular. I don't want my €160 going towards funding the travels of that shower. One proper public service channel is quite enough for a country of our size

Shefwedfan · 19-09-2019 11:35am

Boggles wrote: »

If RTE was only fulfilling it's public service remit it would die a complete death, we'd probably have one radio station and one or two TV stations that would be so bland no one would watch, commercial revenue would dry up and that would be that.

It's a terrible idea.

RTE have a huge opportunity IMO to buy in the pick of content for relatively cheap off the big streamers who are about to dilute their content to within an inch of their lives.

They should also up their collaborations with the big hitters, Canal+, Channel 4, BBC, etc.

I see nothing but opportunities coming down the line, if they can get themselves on a solid footing in the next 5 years.

All of this sounds good and exactly what a station should do.....will RTE do it? no

The reason they will give is because they have no money. They have no money not because of the license fee ut because they waste massive amount of money on staff.....

Cut 2FM, just by getting that wage bill off the payroll would help. Reduce all the wages of the "stars".....no more big budget "stars"....ofer them a wage, if they dont want it then let them see who else will take them on.....

At the moment RTE cannot do anything because they have got them are constantly in debt.....the population is not changing so they know what budget they have each year....cut to meet the budget.....

Diceicle · 19-09-2019 11:48am

Just throwing this out there for conversation - but would it (possibly) not benefit RTE to adopt something akin to the US cable public access model and softly supporting that, rather than shelling out on repeats, commercial radio, wages for previous presenters children and lavish trips abroad for the in-crowd?
Some form of RTE public access would be cheap to produce or maintain (I presume); if done well it could tie in with the media trend towards YouTube-style programming, it could potentially provide RTE with talent for the future. It democratises the access to the largest loudspeaker in the Country. That may be a Pro or Con depending what side of the table you're sitting on though.

kneemos · 19-09-2019 11:54am

There are plenty of cheap quality programmes available I'm sure without resorting to endless repeats and crap American crime and sitcom series.

Shefwedfan · 19-09-2019 12:01pm

Diceicle wrote: »

Just throwing this out there for conversation - but would it (possibly) not benefit RTE to adopt something akin to the US cable public access model and softly supporting that, rather than shelling out on repeats, commercial radio, wages for previous presenters children and lavish trips abroad for the in-crowd?
Some form of RTE public access would be cheap to produce or maintain (I presume); if done well it could tie in with the media trend towards YouTube-style programming, it could potentially provide RTE with talent for the future. It democratises the access to the largest loudspeaker in the Country. That may be a Pro or Con depending what side of the table you're sitting on though.

Youtube talent is not the son or daughter of someone already at RTE.....so that would take valuable time away from their wee princess...

I posted here before, the whole World was talking about the Hardy Bucks. Relatives in Aus and US where ringing me about it and trying to master the accent. Not a whisper on RTE. Why? well the lads where not related to anyone in RTE.....

Look at the hiring schedule and you will see such stars as Lottie Ryan and Doireann Garrihy given jobs....some talent in those two:p:p:p:p go over the rest of RTE and you will find hundred the same....

kneemos · 19-09-2019 12:27pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Youtube talent is not the son or daughter of someone already at RTE.....so that would take valuable time away from their wee princess...

I posted here before, the whole World was talking about the Hardy Bucks. Relatives in Aus and US where ringing me about it and trying to master the accent. Not a whisper on RTE. Why? well the lads where not related to anyone in RTE.....

Look at the hiring schedule and you will see such stars as Lottie Ryan and Doireann Garrihy given jobs....some talent in those two:p:p:p:p go over the rest of RTE and you will find hundred the same....

Never saw an episode of Hardy Bucks because they were in so late.

amlinopta · 19-09-2019 1:58pm

If Dee Forbes is looking to save money, she should be listening to Unfunny Friday on Thursday on Liveline. Joe back for the first time in weeks to indulge his junketeering mates.

tylercheribini · 19-09-2019 2:05pm

RTE needs a Gordon Gecko-type to go in and slash and burn.

jelutong · 19-09-2019 2:17pm

amlinopta wrote: »

If Dee Forbes is looking to save money, she should be listening to Unfunny Friday on Thursday on Liveline. Joe back for the first time in weeks to indulge his junketeering mates.

I listened to a few minutes of it. Appalling stuff altogether. Wall to wall tripe from 1.45 to 4.30,as per usual.

end of the road · 19-09-2019 2:29pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

It always amuses me the fawning that any RTE-produced series gets for not being absolute rubbish.

Love/Hate, Bachelors Walk and Paths to Freedom were incredibly ordinary but got hyped to high-heaven for not being absolute muck.

Irish audiences have been conditioned to accept a very low bar of quality.

not just irish audiences. probably most audiences tbh.
quite the amount of tv these days is either junk or repeats. it's not just rte which is guilty of repeats, there are channels dedicated to the things. because ultimately they are cheap.

end of the road · 19-09-2019 2:51pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Sounds perfect.

TV license down to €40 a year, sign me up.

There's plenty of commercial stations serving up 'cookery show/travel show/house renovation show' slop, if that's what you're into.

Why are we being fleeced to the tune of €160 per annun to pay for more of it?

the tv license wouldn't be going down to 40 euro if there was a mass reduction in rte services.
not going to happen. 160 euro is what it will either reamin at or increase, whatever happens.

ShamNNspace wrote: »

So what part of public service are the above programmes serving?
These programmes belong on a commercial station where they should sink or swim on the advertising revenue etc they bring in if they really are so popular. I don't want my €160 going towards funding the travels of that shower. One proper public service channel is quite enough for a country of our size

the problem is, it is not all about what you want, or what i want. it is about providing minority programming, but which will get an audience and bring in commercial revenue. rte is expected to be both commercial and public service at the same time, so programs like this are a good way of fulfilling both remits. sure, they boar me to tears so i don't watch them, but obviously they bring in an audience and revenue.

ToBeFrank123 · 19-09-2019 4:01pm

The more money you pump into RTE the more it will be wasted.

Less is more. Give them less and force them to come up with some good programs the public want to watch.

Its just the same faces over and over on RTE. Even the non repeats feel like repeats.

And once a presenter reaches 66, they should be shown the door. What is Larry Gogan now, a hundred?

tayto lover · 19-09-2019 4:17pm

amlinopta wrote: »

If Dee Forbes is looking to save money, she should be listening to Unfunny Friday on Thursday on Liveline. Joe back for the first time in weeks to indulge his junketeering mates.

A load of complete tripe. Loads of fake laughing at unfunny and over used jokes.

Boggles · 19-09-2019 4:17pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

So what part of public service are the above programmes serving?

I've no idea.

The point remains, they had above average viewing numbers so therefore probably paid for themselves.

Whether you like them or not is moot.

You do understand right?

Boggles · 19-09-2019 4:23pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

And once a presenter reaches 66, they should be shown the door.

Again, that is just nonsensical, myopic and quite ageist to boot.

What difference does it make what age they are, if they are popular and can command an audience?

We would have lost out on years of the likes of Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh.

As far as I know RTE did have forced retirements at 65, may have be changed to 70 recently.

end of the road · 19-09-2019 4:32pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The more money you pump into RTE the more it will be wasted.

Less is more. Give them less and force them to come up with some good programs the public want to watch.

Its just the same faces over and over on RTE. Even the non repeats feel like repeats.

what programs do the public want to watch? that's the problem, we all want different things.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

And once a presenter reaches 66, they should be shown the door. What is Larry Gogan now, a hundred?

on what basis should rte engage in such agist guff? there is no basis from what i can see.
larry gogan is in his 80s.

tylercheribini · 19-09-2019 4:33pm

Larry G retired last Jan

ohnonotgmail · 19-09-2019 4:34pm

tylercheribini wrote: »

Larry G retired last Jan

He moved to RTE Gold

tylercheribini · 19-09-2019 4:37pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He moved to RTE Gold

Haha ffs, didnt know that, and they wonder why they are going under, there is no room for sentimentality when trying to balance the books of any organisation.

ToBeFrank123 · 19-09-2019 4:58pm

Boggles wrote: »

Again, that is just nonsensical, myopic and quite ageist to boot.

What difference does it make what age they are, if they are popular and can command an audience?

We would have lost out on years of the likes of Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh.

As far as I know RTE did have forced retirements at 65, may have be changed to 70 recently.

Because the older presenters are on massive salaries and they aren't allowing a younger generation of presenters an opportunity.

Why should the rest of us be forced by law to retire at 66 while these people go on forever and are unsackable. Does Marty Whelan want a job at RTE until he's 100?

Boggles · 19-09-2019 5:02pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Because the older presenters are on massive salaries and they aren't allowing a younger generation of presenters an opportunity.

Why should the rest of us be forced by law to retire at 66 while these people go on forever and are unsackable. Does Marty Whelan want a job at RTE until he's 100?

Well you just proved the point.

They let Marty go for a younger (more expensive) presenter and format, figures nosed dived, they quickly axed the new format and got Marty back.

I couldn't have come up with a better example, fair play to you.

ToBeFrank123 · 19-09-2019 5:03pm

end of the road wrote: »

what programs do the public want to watch? that's the problem, we all want different things.

They never f*cking ask us, that's the problem.

The BBC have a complaints show where you can tell them what you want. RTE used to have this but dropped it.
They've no interest in what the public want.

ohnonotgmail · 19-09-2019 5:07pm

Boggles wrote: »

Well you just proved the point.

They let Marty go for a younger (more expensive) presenter and format, figures nosed dived, they quickly axed the new format and got Marty back.

I couldn't have come up with a better example, fair play to you.

Marty does the best morning show on the radio. This was true when he was at 2Fm and it is true now that he is on Lyric FM.

ToBeFrank123 · 19-09-2019 5:08pm

Boggles wrote: »

Well you just proved the point.

They let Marty go for a younger (more expensive) presenter and format, figures nosed dived, they quickly axed the new format and got Marty back.

I couldn't have come up with a better example, fair play to you.

When was this now? What show are you talking about?

ShamNNspace · 19-09-2019 5:11pm

Boggles wrote: »

ShamNNspace wrote: »

So what part of public service are the above programmes serving?

I've no idea.

The point remains, they had above average viewing numbers so therefore probably paid for themselves.

Whether you like them or not is moot.

You do understand right?

"public service broadcasting" in its pure form is broadcasting intended for public benefit so how has any of the above mentioned programmes benefited the public?
And while I'm at it could you tone down your patronising attitude a couple of notches with your "you do understand right?"

ohnonotgmail · 19-09-2019 5:13pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

"public service broadcasting" in its pure form is broadcasting intended for public benefit so how has any of the above mentioned programmes benefited the public?
And while I'm at it could you tone down your patronising attitude a couple of notches with your "you do understand right?"

They have a pubic service remit but not everything they broadcast has to be part of that remit. They are also expect to broadcast shows that attract an audience. the shows you mentioned do that. Without them they would be in an even bigger hole financially.

Boggles · 19-09-2019 5:16pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

"public service broadcasting" in its pure form is broadcasting intended for public benefit so how has any of the above mentioned programmes benefited the public?
And while I'm at it could you tone down your patronising attitude a couple of notches with your "you do understand right?"

Stop being so snobbish and I won't have to be.

Public Service Broadcasting is the absolute minimum.

Their remit also includes a commercial element.

ToBeFrank123 · 19-09-2019 5:17pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Marty does the best morning show on the radio. This was true when he was at 2Fm and it is true now that he is on Lyric FM.

The ratings tell us Morning Ireland attracts 350,000 or thereabouts.

It doesn't matter how great it is if he aint getting substantial ratings, his show is probably a loss maker.

You live or die by ratings, as that determines commercial income and RTE at this stage are heavily dependent on commercial income.

At this stage how commercially attractive RTE is to advertisers is more important than the licence fee. They don't get this, hence why they are failing.

ToBeFrank123 · 19-09-2019 5:19pm

Boggles wrote: »

Stop being so snobbish and I won't have to be.

Public Service Broadcasting is the absolute minimum.

Their remit also includes a commercial element.

They are falling between the 2 stools.

They don't have much public service content and most of what they offer is a poor mans commercial offering. Most of what they have is offered by a myriad of other broadcasters such as the BBC and done far better.

ohnonotgmail · 19-09-2019 5:27pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The ratings tell us Morning Ireland attracts 350,000 or thereabouts.

It doesn't matter how great it is if he aint getting substantial ratings, his show is probably a loss maker.

You live or die by ratings, as that determines commercial income and RTE at this stage are heavily dependent on commercial income.

At this stage how commercially attractive RTE is to advertisers is more important than the licence fee. They don't get this, hence why they are failing.

Marty is on a niche station so is never going to the game figures as radio 1. And i said "best".

Boggles · 19-09-2019 5:48pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

They are falling between the 2 stools.

They don't have much public service content and most of what they offer is a poor mans commercial offering. Most of what they have is offered by a myriad of other broadcasters such as the BBC and done far better.

The BBC have a budget of 4 odd billion.

Silly comparison again.

fritzelly · 19-09-2019 5:53pm

Boggles wrote: »

The BBC have a budget of 4 odd billion.

Silly comparison again.

BBC run multiple channels, multiple radio stations, also have multiple regional broadcasting as well as Wales and Scotland regional broadcasting. Create groundbreaking series and are constantly commissioning new series

RTE get 340 million for a coupla stations and a few radio stations and constantly serve us repeats and lowest common denominator crap - the comparison is very relevant.

Boggles · 19-09-2019 5:59pm

fritzelly wrote: »

BBC run multiple channels, multiple radio stations, also have multiple regional broadcasting as well as Wales and Scotland regional broadcasting. Create groundbreaking series and are constantly commissioning new series

RTE get 340 million for a coupla stations and a few radio stations and constantly serve us repeats and lowest common denominator crap - the comparison is very relevant.

The BBC spend 340 million on just their online content.

It's a stupid comparison.

Why aren't Limerick FC winning the champions league stuff.

tylercheribini · 19-09-2019 7:01pm

Boggles wrote: »

The BBC spend 340 million on just their online content.

It's a stupid comparison.

Why aren't Limerick FC winning the champions league stuff.

Nationwide repeat on now, they can count on its older viewers not remembering if they had seen it already or not anyway.

Boggles · 19-09-2019 7:12pm

tylercheribini wrote: »

Nationwide repeat on now, they can count on its older viewers not remembering if they had seen it already or not anyway.

lawred2 · 19-09-2019 7:14pm

Selling assets to pay running costs is simply dumb and should usually signal an insolvent organisation

tylercheribini · 19-09-2019 7:18pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Selling assets to pay running costs is simply dumb and should usually signal an insolvent organisation

How are they not getting the FAI treatment by now? They piss away far more state funding.

The J Stands for Jay · 19-09-2019 7:40pm

Boggles wrote: »

The BBC have a budget of 4 odd billion.

Silly comparison again.

It's not a comparison, it's a reason plough their own furrow. Don't try to produce BBC style shows to out up against BBC shows, do your own unique things.

end of the road · 19-09-2019 7:49pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Because the older presenters are on massive salaries and they aren't allowing a younger generation of presenters an opportunity.

they are allowing a younger generation of presenters an opportunity. there are a number of young presenters in rte now, especially on the likes of 2fm.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Why should the rest of us be forced by law to retire at 66 while these people go on forever and are unsackable.

under what law are the rest of us forced to retire at 65? excluding the parts of the public service with manditary retirement.
nobody is unsackable. however, rte are not going to sack presenters for the sake of it or because someone on boards.ie thinks they are to old.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Does Marty Whelan want a job at RTE until he's 100?

i don't know. perhapse you could get in contact with him and put that question to him? no better place to get an answer then from the horse's mouth.

end of the road · 19-09-2019 7:54pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

They never f*cking ask us, that's the problem.

The BBC have a complaints show where you can tell them what you want. RTE used to have this but dropped it.
They've no interest in what the public want.

well, it seems they actually do have some interest in what some of the public want hence they are providing the good amount of junk they are providing.
it's not what we want but unfortunately public service or any broadcasting, can't just cater to an individual personal taste.
say rte were to bring back the form that allows us to tell them the type of programming we want. what happens if everyone wants different things and there is no majority view on what should be broadcast?

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