Beep scheme - anyone joining

Green&Red · 09-05-2019 4:27pm

Jack C wrote: »

Was going to rent scales. See the long awaited list of places where you can rent are on ICBF site.
Covers a whopping 6 counties...… nowhere in Leinster or Connaught.
Planning to sell autumn calves soon so hope they get a move on and add a few more.

Contact your local coop

I've a fella in Castlebar I used, €50, didnt matter how many calves I had

Simmental. · 09-05-2019 4:32pm

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Any numbers on how many actually signed up? Be interesting to see as I reckon feck all did and less will actually do it.

18,593 signed up to it.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/the-figures-are-in-18500-farmers-apply-for-beep-scheme/

Sugarbowl · 09-05-2019 11:18pm

I can't see the rental list at all. Is it because I'm on my phone? Can everyone else see it?

893bet · 13-05-2019 9:47pm

Where abouts on mybeep.ie is the list for rental?

Sami23 · 13-05-2019 9:50pm

893bet wrote: »

Where abouts on mybeep.ie is the list for rental?

Click into 'Rent a scales' then click create reservation and then enter your herd number and name. After that the list will come up.

Mac Taylor · 13-05-2019 11:24pm

A neighbour asked me a question re this scheme and I could not find the answer online, if he weighs an animal on Tuesday and sells on Thursday will he have any problem, from memory the suckler welfare scheme required an animal to be weaned two weeks and prior to selling but is this still the case?

tanko · 13-05-2019 11:37pm

No, he can sell away afaik.

893bet · 24-05-2019 5:45pm

Is there a minimum calf age?

Calf born Wednesday. Registered him today.
Have scales booked for tomorrow. Can I weigh him and include in the scheme?

Sami23 · 24-05-2019 6:14pm

893bet wrote: »

Is there a minimum calf age?

Calf born Wednesday. Registered him today.
Have scales booked for tomorrow. Can I weigh him and include in the scheme?

Yes he should be fine

bogman_bass · 24-05-2019 7:31pm

Still no scales to rent in Meath.....

Sami23 · 24-05-2019 7:37pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

Still no scales to rent in Meath.....

Would ya be tempted to buy one as more than likely weighing will be included in other scheme's going forward ?

pure breed · 24-05-2019 11:54pm

893bet wrote:

Is there a minimum calf age?

I thought the calves had to be at least 5-8 months before being weighed?

893bet · 25-05-2019 8:18am

pure breed wrote: »

I thought the calves had to be at least 5-8 months before being weighed?

Def not. Calf born a month ago is showing as available. I assume new fella will pop in once registration goes through.

893bet · 25-05-2019 4:32pm

Job done today in 3 hours including collecting and dropping the scales back.

Fairly straight forward.

Sugarbowl · 29-05-2019 10:11pm

Anyone rent scales from the co-op/mart? Were you able to fit them in the boot or did ye need to bring the trailer?

nightpark · 06-06-2019 5:54pm

Couple of questions. Can I enter weights multiple times so can I enter 20 cows and calves in next week and then another 20 2 months later provided calves are between the set ages. If I use the icbf app for the weights will that automatically send in the weights for the scheme? Cheers.

jfh · 06-06-2019 6:20pm

Sorry probably lazy for asking this but I will anyway.
Is it a percentage of total cows or all the cows with calfs that need to be weighed?

nightpark · 06-06-2019 6:34pm

All the cows with calves eligible for the scheme - all ones born between 1 July 2018 and 30 June 2019.

Parishlad · 06-06-2019 6:51pm

nightpark wrote: »

Couple of questions. Can I enter weights multiple times so can I enter 20 cows and calves in next week and then another 20 2 months later provided calves are between the set ages. If I use the icbf app for the weights will that automatically send in the weights for the scheme? Cheers.

Don’t know the answer for certain but I can’t see a problem with that. As long as you weigh the cow and calf pairs on the same day. I’d say the ICBF app will just submit what you have entered until such time as they are all entered.

jfh · 06-06-2019 7:12pm

nightpark wrote: »

All the cows with calves eligible for the scheme - all ones born between 1 July 2018 and 30 June 2019.

Yeah that's what I thought, someone was trying to convince me that it was only a certain percentage to be weighed and you got paid for all. That makes sense, thanks

Lime Tree Farm · 06-06-2019 10:00pm

To help stream-line the weight recording process for participants in the pilot, ICBF will be writing to participants with a suggested 4-week window based on your calving pattern within which herd-owners are encouraged to weigh their cows and calves. We would ask pilot participants to please adhere to this suggested 4-week window, in order to maximise the efficiency of the pilot on the ground.

Extracted from ;
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/beep/BEEPTC.pdf

tellmeabit · 27-06-2019 3:47pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

To help stream-line the weight recording process for participants in the pilot, ICBF will be writing to participants with a suggested 4-week window based on your calving pattern within which herd-owners are encouraged to weigh their cows and calves. We would ask pilot participants to please adhere to this suggested 4-week window, in order to maximise the efficiency of the pilot on the ground.

Extracted from ;
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/beep/BEEPTC.pdf

if you cant find the letter telling you when you should weigh them, is there any way to contact to find out?

thanks,

Lime Tree Farm · 28-06-2019 6:28pm

tellmeabit wrote: »

if you cant find the letter telling you when you should weigh them, is there any way to contact to find out?

thanks,

I rang ICBF regarding their letter advising preferred dates for weighing, as mentioned in the Dept T&Cs. They are unaware of this requirement. Did say that weighing weanling ~ 5 months and the cow, would give better feed back on performance.

Grueller · 28-06-2019 9:06pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

I rang ICBF regarding their letter advising preferred dates for weighing, as mentioned in the Dept T&Cs. They are unaware of this requirement. Did say that weighing weanling ~ 5 months and the cow, would give better feed back on performance.

I weighed spring and autumn calves together. From 2 months old to 10 months old. No problem so far anyhow.

893bet · 28-06-2019 11:20pm

Weighted a week old calf and one 7 months old!

Limestone Cowboy · 04-07-2019 3:17pm

Was trying to input weights in Icbf there. Have code for rented scales but I still won't let me. Keeps telling me to register scales. Anyone else have the same problem?

mayota · 04-07-2019 3:49pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Was trying to input weights in Icbf there. Have code for rented scales but I still won't let me. Keeps telling me to register scales. Anyone else have the same problem?

I think you can register it as your own scales.

trg · 05-07-2019 10:03am

Asking for a friend....

We've cows and calves scattered around, very fragmented farm. Is there a check on the weights? Basically could you get away with estimating a couple of them?

Not the right thing to do per t&c's but that not the question in this instance

Sugarbowl · 05-07-2019 6:34pm

Limestone - were you able to register the scales?

Grueller · 05-07-2019 9:05pm

trg wrote: »

Asking for a friend....

We've cows and calves scattered around, very fragmented farm. Is there a check on the weights? Basically could you get away with estimating a couple of them?

Not the right thing to do per t&c's but that not the question in this instance

If you have weighed the rest you will guess within 10 kilos anyhow. Who is to say in a month whether that was right or wrong on the day

Limestone Cowboy · 06-07-2019 9:55am

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Limestone - were you able to register the scales?

I have the scales registered but it won't let me input the weights.

jd06 · 22-08-2019 10:34pm

What should the average daily gain of a commercial sucker march born calf be
Just done my weighing

50HX · 22-08-2019 10:46pm

1 kg adg

Anto_Meath · 24-08-2019 5:03pm

That is that job done now hopefully the cheque will come along quickly.... handy enough and happy enough with how the calves are coming on.

Sugarbowl · 24-08-2019 10:52pm

Putting the straw on the floor is a good idea. When I did mine, some of the cows were cautious of the scales. It didn't bother the calves though.

893bet · 25-08-2019 8:03am

Anto_Meath wrote: »

That is that job done now hopefully the cheque will come along quickly.... handy enough and happy enough with how the calves are coming on.

When is payment supposed to happen?

Sugarbowl · 25-08-2019 9:39am

893bet wrote: »

When is payment supposed to happen?

December I think. My instalment of the bdgp usually comes in around early Dec as does the remainder of BPS. So i figure around then too.

Anto_Meath · 25-08-2019 7:19pm

I assume payment will be October with all the others. My guess is the sooner you have the information in the sooner the Dep can process your file for payment...The straw was a great job on the scales as the cows wouldn't go up on it otherwise.

patsy_mccabe · 29-08-2019 11:42am

I just booked a scales there. Pick up Saturday morning, return by Monday Morning. Will they charge me for Sunday?
Every penny counts.;)

Anto_Meath · 29-08-2019 11:55am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I just booked a scales there. Pick up Saturday morning, return by Monday Morning. Will they charge me for Sunday?
Every penny counts.;)

No they shouldn't, I collect mine in the coop on Saturday morning and was told to have it back on Monday morning €50. Now as I have a full time job that actually pays I dropped it back Saturday evening as couldn't be taken time of work... flew through it.. 20 cows, 21 calves all done in about an hour.

Sugarbowl · 29-08-2019 12:13pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I just booked a scales there. Pick up Saturday morning, return by Monday Morning. Will they charge me for Sunday?
Every penny counts.;)

No Sunday is free. Exactly what I did too!

bogman_bass · 29-08-2019 2:24pm

60 cattle weighed in an hour and a half here.
Long may this scheme last because it’s handy money

patsy_mccabe · 29-08-2019 9:15pm

Managed to round up all the cows. €40 a head. Money for jam, Boys.....money for jam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TweW5-0q-lE

Say my name · 29-08-2019 9:25pm

Haven't a clue about any of this.

But do ye's just write down the weight of the beasts or is there some sort of ear tag reading, thing a majig on the scales and it sends the weight directly to the dept?
Do ye need a receipt for the hire of the scales?

Anto_Meath · 29-08-2019 10:05pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Managed to round up all the cows. €40 a head. Money for jam, Boys.....money for jam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TweW5-0q-lE

Thats it, only time I will ever €750 profit for an hours work.

patsy_mccabe · 01-09-2019 8:15am

I got them weighed yesterday. Didn't go that smoothly, but it was all down to my handling facilities. Weighed them in 2 places. First place was away from the house. The pen was only meant to hold cattle for loading and a small crush for AI use. It was either weigh them there or bring them home just to weigh. Suckler cows are next to impossible to work with when things are not set up right.

Booking, collecting and working the scales was no bother. The Tru-Test EW7i is a super job. A bit pricey at €2050 but that includes the EID tag reader and platform......Anyway, job done.

No cow over 800Kg. Had a very fleshy PB limousin at 790kg. Had one cow at 564kg and her 14 month old bull at 502 kg. When you look tru the weights, you can really see the role milk and fertility (late calving dates) play. Fleshy cows also weighing heavy just because they have no milk.

tractorporn · 01-09-2019 11:06pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Managed to round up all the cows. €40 a head. Money for jam, Boys.....money for jam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TweW5-0q-lE

Is there a date you have to have weighed by? I need to get my finger out!

Lime Tree Farm · 01-09-2019 11:47pm

tractorporn wrote: »

Is there a date you have to have weighed by? I need to get my finger out!

1st November 2019

barnaman · 01-09-2019 11:50pm

From Terms etc

Please note that BEEP payments will only be made on weight records recorded and validated on the ICBF database. All records mus tbe submitted within 7 days of the completion of the weight recording process. If weight records are deemed unusable as a result (inter alia) of failure to comply with the requirements for use of the scales, then payment may not issueunder the Pilot

Weights must be submitted between 08March 2019 and 01 November 2019in accordance with Annex 1.

tractorporn · 02-09-2019 7:54am

barnaman wrote: »

From Terms etc

Please note that BEEP payments will only be made on weight records recorded and validated on the ICBF database. All records mus tbe submitted within 7 days of the completion of the weight recording process. If weight records are deemed unusable as a result (inter alia) of failure to comply with the requirements for use of the scales, then payment may not issueunder the Pilot

Weights must be submitted between 08March 2019 and 01 November 2019in accordance with Annex 1.

Cheers lads, I'm usually good at reading the T's and C's but this one just hasn't captured my imagination. The BIL has a new scales I'll try get it for next weekend.

Beep scheme - anyone joining

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