Spider-Man: Far From Home [ SPOILERS FROM POST 240 ]

Unearthly · 04-07-2019 3:58pm

A TV show which addresses issues about sudden disappearance is The Leftovers (only 2% of the population) but that's dark and depressing and obviously wouldn't fit the theme of a super hero franchise

Baggly · 04-07-2019 4:01pm

They took his banana off him at the airport. Maybe that was a snap related security policy.

Guy:Incognito · 04-07-2019 8:23pm

expectationlost wrote: »

give him the extension of his character get him on a regime.

Or they could let him live his life the way he wants?

Mitch Connor · 05-07-2019 10:55am

Really enjoyed this.

I would have liked the Snapback to have been a bit more impactful on what we see - it is a year or so later but things seemed a bit too normal.

I don't want it to be in the detail some others seem to be looking for, as I think it would be horribly boring, but the impact is minimal on every level really.

Not a big fan of how it ended - would have liked it to be more subtle than it was.

Foxtrol · 05-07-2019 2:36pm

This film is from a teenagers perspective and to generalise they'd be much more self-centered about what is impacting them, like we see from them complaining about having to repeat their year or that people who they remember as young kids are now in their class. If they are going to try to deal with the aftermath in more detail, a TV show that was already mentioned or a movie like Black Panther 2 would be far better, for example having food shortages in Africa being a driver for the bad guy.

On the damage, was there really that much damage to NYC during IW or Endgame? As far as I remember it was far more limited than from the attack during the Avengers and from memory where we see Spiderman is away from that area.

Mokuba · 05-07-2019 11:42pm

Probably the 2nd worst Spiderman movie ever made.

Lazy, bland, poorly paced and written. Filled with awful exposition, really a going-through-the-motions effort. The rare emotional beats are so bad when compared to other Spiderman movies.

The two most significant events came after the movie ended. That is both comical and shameful.

El Duda · 06-07-2019 6:33am

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

At what point can we unspoiler this thread?

I didn't like that they
glossed over the blip. Took any dramatic impact from these movies for me. The effects of half the population disappearing for 5 years would be beyond catastrophic, but thats just ignored here. They just made light of it by calling it "the blip" rather than "The Decimation", "10/14", "The Snap", "The Dissapearing", etc....

Example 1: How is air traffic not now more heavily regulated. If 1,250 planes fell from the sky 5 years ago (there are 5,000 planes in the sky at any time. On average, a quarter of these lost both their pilot and their co-pilot), there would be so many checks put in place on future commercial flights, it wouldn’t be viable to fly 30+ school children on a holiday to Europe, yet alone for their parents to be agreeable to send their kids via airtravel.

Example 2: how was there not more completely ruined buildings in Manhattan from this event, even 5 years later. The rebuild would take decades, if you dont take into account starvation, famine, rioting, looting, lawlessness, government collapse, etc etc.

I know these movies are meant to be lighthearted, I get that, but then don't wipe out half the population of the universe in a movie. Or if you do, undo it with a time travel handwavey resolution. I'm sure I'll get stick for this opinion, I think I might just be getting too old for the MCU

Its posts like this that really annoy me.

They literally say at the beginning...

"I think it's time to put this behind us and MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PHASE OF OUR LIVES"

They found a way to talk directly to the small section of fans that take this stuff way too seriously. They basically ridiculed you at the start and you're STILL banging on about the technicalities of the blip.

"I suggest you forget about that sort of thing and sit back and enjoy yourself" - Basil Exposition

I thought the film was wonderful myself. A really special way to move on from Endgame

silverharp · 06-07-2019 8:29am

this is cold

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/disney-refuses-permission-boys-spiderman-17444020

Spider-Man superfan Ollie Jones tragically lost his lengthy two-year battle with a rare genetic disorder last year, and his family gave him a superhero-themed funeral.

But when his grieving dad Lloyd Jones tried to get permission for an etching of his son's favourite superhero, Spider-Man, on his gravestone, he was told by the council to contact the character's owners - children's entertainment giant Disney.

The Walt Disney Company - which owns the Marvel franchise - refused to give the go-ahead because they wanted to preserve “innocence” and “magic” around their characters.

Mokuba · 06-07-2019 11:49am

El Duda wrote: »

Its posts like this that really annoy me.

They literally say at the beginning...

"I think it's time to put this behind us and MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PHASE OF OUR LIVES"

They found a way to talk directly to the small section of fans that take this stuff way too seriously. They basically ridiculed you at the start and you're STILL banging on about the technicalities of the blip.

"I suggest you forget about that sort of thing and sit back and enjoy yourself" - Basil Exposition

I thought the film was wonderful myself. A really special way to move on from Endgame

So because the writers and director aren't proficient enough to successfully craft a story where the aftermath of the blip is properly explored, and instead they throw in some stupid line about moving on, then the audience should too?

I think it's completely fair to expect them to properly deal with such a massive event, literally the biggest event in the MCU by their own admission.

That is spoon feeding nonsense. You can formulate an opinion for yourself too you know. You don't have to eat up everything that Marvel throw at you and pretend it's caviar when it's a lump of sh*te.

Nice of you to throw in a quote from an Austin Powers movie, about ignoring the technicalities of time travel in a slapstick comedy. I think that these movies hold themselves to a higher standard of film making. Or at least they pretend to. Cannot believe how people vigorously defend this stuff as if it's a film they made themselves.

Speaking of exposition, the scene where one of the characters jumped on a bar and explained the plot out loud for 5 minutes was one of the worst scenes in any Superhero movie, ever. Utterly embarrassing that they couldn't find a better way to tell the audience the plot than to literally shout it at them among a load of jarring flashbacks.

El Duda · 06-07-2019 12:38pm

I just think its hilarious how everyone accepts a talking Racoon but gets so hung up on this sort of thing.

I don't think there's any real appetite for a 2 hour melodrama exploring the repercussions of the 'blip' in graphic detail.

Baggly · 06-07-2019 1:05pm

It took about 7 years for us to see some of the aftermath of the attack on New York (in Homecoming as it happens).

Other movies referenced it and id say that will happen as well.

I think people looking for details on it in the first film after Endgame are impatient and/or unnrealistic. It just wouldnt suit the tone of the film, imo.

gmisk · 06-07-2019 1:31pm

I enjoyed it, not as good as homecoming (and definitely a long way behind spiderverse) but still a lot of fun, I thought Zendaya and Tom Holland had great chemistry.
It was all fairly light and fun even in the way it covered the snap, I also liked gyleenhaal. The humour worked well for me as well, not quite Ragnarok levels but still good.

mysterio has always been a villain so no shock in that twist, I did think the trippy scenes were a tad silly and they were done much better in doctor strange. I am definitely ready for a proper villain for this version of spiderman to face off against, he has basically battled two men with tech

The 2 post credit scenes cover a lot of ground!

7/10

branie2 · 06-07-2019 2:32pm

I saw it yesterday, and I really enjoyed it.

FunLover18 · 06-07-2019 3:51pm

Mokuba wrote: »

So because the writers and director aren't proficient enough to successfully craft a story where the aftermath of the blip is properly explored, and instead they throw in some stupid line about moving on, then the audience should too?

I think it's completely fair to expect them to properly deal with such a massive event, literally the biggest event in the MCU by their own admission.

That is spoon feeding nonsense. You can formulate an opinion for yourself too you know. You don't have to eat up everything that Marvel throw at you and pretend it's caviar when it's a lump of sh*te.

Nice of you to throw in a quote from an Austin Powers movie, about ignoring the technicalities of time travel in a slapstick comedy. I think that these movies hold themselves to a higher standard of film making. Or at least they pretend to. Cannot believe how people vigorously defend this stuff as if it's a film they made themselves.

Speaking of exposition, the scene where one of the characters jumped on a bar and explained the plot out loud for 5 minutes was one of the worst scenes in any Superhero movie, ever. Utterly embarrassing that they couldn't find a better way to tell the audience the plot than to literally shout it at them among a load of jarring flashbacks.

There's a massive difference between not being proficient enough to craft a certain story and not wanting to tell a certain story. Marvel just aren't interested.

Iron Man 3 was the first film after Avengers but we didn't see the wider aftermath of that film. We saw how it affected Tony and we see in FFH how Peter is coping with the events of Endgame.

Mokuba · 06-07-2019 5:17pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

There's a massive difference between not being proficient enough to craft a certain story and not wanting to tell a certain story. Marvel just aren't interested.

Iron Man 3 was the first film after Avengers but we didn't see the wider aftermath of that film. We saw how it affected Tony and we see in FFH how Peter is coping with the events of Endgame.

And Iron Man 3 was equally terrible.

tony1kenobi · 06-07-2019 6:59pm

El Duda wrote: »

I just think its hilarious how everyone accepts a talking Racoon but gets so hung up on this sort of thing.

I don't think there's any real appetite for a 2 hour melodrama exploring the repercussions of the 'blip' in graphic detail.

Even if there was,marvel wouldn’t make it because they couldn’t do it better than the Leftovers.

RedRochey · 06-07-2019 10:09pm

I was perfectly happy with how they handled the aftermath of Endgame, this is a spiderman movie so I want to see spiderman, I don't want to see a bunch of bulldozers tidying up streets, everyone going to counselling or people sitting around wondering how they're going to regulate air traffic from now on

flazio · 06-07-2019 10:54pm

Mid credits.

Literally Fist pumped when JK Simmons came back as Jameson. Recasting him would be next to impossible.

El Duda · 07-07-2019 6:47am

StockTwat29 wrote: »

I was perfectly happy with how they handled the aftermath of Endgame, this is a spiderman movie so I want to see spiderman, I don't want to see a bunch of bulldozers tidying up streets, everyone going to counselling or people sitting around wondering how they're going to regulate air traffic from now on

Exactly.

Also the fact that the blip is the sort of thing that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If you really think about it, it makes no sense. People just 'blipped' right back to the location that were when they snapped? Bodies would've been falling out of the sky! Etc...

Theres a reason they addressed it the way they did at the start of this film.

Optimalprimerib · 07-07-2019 8:48am

What I found unrealistic is that never in anyone's lifetime would you get to be the only people on Charles bridge in Prague. It does be thronged with tourists.

Sirsok · 07-07-2019 9:54am

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

What I found unrealistic is that never in anyone's lifetime would you get to be the only people on Charles bridge in Prague. It does be thronged with tourists.

That is exactly what i thought when theu were on it! Prague came out looking great in the film though!

I really enjoyed it, laughed quite a bit, Gyllenhaal was fantastic I thought, action sequences were fantastic, made me hopeful for a future without cap and ironman

Lithium93_ · 07-07-2019 3:01pm

flazio wrote: »

Mid credits.
Literally Fist pumped when JK Simmons came back as Jameson. Recasting him would be next to impossible.

That got the loudest cheer in our screen on Friday night.

Mitch Connor · 07-07-2019 3:06pm

El Duda wrote: »

Exactly.

Also the fact that the blip is the sort of thing that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If you really think about it, it makes no sense. People just 'blipped' right back to the location that were when they snapped? Bodies would've been falling out of the sky! Etc...

Theres a reason they addressed it the way they did at the start of this film.

Feige said banner snapped them back to safety.

SaltSweatSugar · 07-07-2019 11:01pm

Went to see this tonight and really enjoyed it, thought Jake Gyllenhaal was brilliant.

Have to say though one of my favourite moments was the mid credits scene. My friend and I literally cheered in our seats when we saw it and we had such big grins after it. It was the last thing I expected.

The end credits scene did make us go 'what the fu(k' though, be very interesting to see what's going to come from that.

Would I go see it again like I did Infinity War and Endgame? Probably not. But it was still a good film.

Ethereal Cereal · 08-07-2019 9:46am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Feige said banner snapped them back to safety.

"During a recent AMA, Reddit user dwallace3099 asked Feige if the snap had brought those who'd been dusted in a risky situation -- for example thousands of feet above the ground in an airplane -- to safety. Feige replied, "We refer to the version of Hulk in Endgame as Smart Hulk. So, yes.""

Yea, when you have to start filling in plot holes on an AMA thread on reddit somethings not right. I just don't know how the writers thought bliping out half of the universes population for 5 full years and bringing them back would not fundamentally change the nature of the fictional share universe they have been building for 10+ years. They could have easily just retconned the snap in EndGame with time travel.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 08-07-2019 9:48am

I think im definitely suffering from a bit of superhero fatigue, I thought it was grand, but nothing to get overly worked up about. The elementals are a type of enemy that I hate seeing in films, and I didn't enjoy those sequences.
Gyllenhall stole the show completely, and to be fair to the film, they really did justice to the Mysterio character. Also,

I had a nagging feeling thoughout the film that fury seemed unnecessarily dense / awkward, so it was great to see that resolved in the after credits

Baggly · 08-07-2019 9:55am

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

I think im definitely suffering from a bit of superhero fatigue, I thought it was grand, but nothing to get overly worked up about. The elementals are a type of enemy that I hate seeing in films, and I didn't enjoy those sequences.
Gyllenhall stole the show completely, and to be fair to the film, they really did justice to the Mysterio character. Also,
I had a nagging feeling thoughout the film that fury seemed unnecessarily dense / awkward, so it was great to see that resolved in the after credits

When he said 'do not invoke her name' in response to 'what about Captain Marvel' i knew something was up. Invoke isnt a Nick Fury word. Didnt cop it was the skrulls until the end credits though!

gmisk · 08-07-2019 10:03am

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

I think im definitely suffering from a bit of superhero fatigue, I thought it was grand, but nothing to get overly worked up about. The elementals are a type of enemy that I hate seeing in films, and I didn't enjoy those sequences.
Gyllenhall stole the show completely, and to be fair to the film, they really did justice to the Mysterio character. Also,
I had a nagging feeling thoughout the film that fury seemed unnecessarily dense / awkward, so it was great to see that resolved in the after credits

I know where you are coming from but

the whole point about the elementals were it wasnt real, I liked it, even if it was obvious.

I generally prefer the more small scale battles myself rather than the insane CGI fests.

FunLover18 · 08-07-2019 10:17am

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

"During a recent AMA, Reddit user dwallace3099 asked Feige if the snap had brought those who'd been dusted in a risky situation -- for example thousands of feet above the ground in an airplane -- to safety. Feige replied, "We refer to the version of Hulk in Endgame as Smart Hulk. So, yes.""

Yea, when you have to start filling in plot holes on an AMA thread on reddit somethings not right. I just don't know how the writers thought bliping out half of the universes population for 5 full years and bringing them back would not fundamentally change the nature of the fictional share universe they have been building for 10+ years. They could have easily just retconned the snap in EndGame with time travel.

Retconning the snap would have been a cop out IMO. I think people are slightly overreacting to how the blip was or wasn't handled in this film. It is after all one film, I fully expect we will see ramifications of the blip throughout future films. If the first 20 or so films demonstrate anything it's that Marvel know how to lay groundwork and plan ahead.

08-07-2019 10:36am

You know what, I kinda wish that they did a fake out (alá Trevor) here.

I think that they did Mysterio too well. Casting Gyllenhaal and having him have such chemistry with Parker obviously feeds into the Mysterio character but it did cry out (IMHO) for a Mandarin-esque twist. Have him appear to be the villain but ultimately a hero. Have it that he knew that real elementals were coming but no one would believe him and that he needed to get EDITH to battle them in a real scenario in London, with Spidey fighting against him until he realised the reality of the situation

AMKC · 08-07-2019 9:31pm

Just seen this today and enjoyed it. I thought there were some parts that did not work well do like the late Whitney Hueston over the Marvel banner and the way it then went to the news at the beginning. Thought that could have been done better. Otherwise I thought it was very funny but also thought it was aimed more at a teenager audience. I think Peter Parker's character in this actually grew a good bit and at the end he is no longer a by but a man.
Thought Vienna and Prague both looked great in it too.
While I don't think it is the best ever Spiderman film I have to say it was better than ''Homecoming'' to me anyway.
I would give it 6 out of 10.

TheIrishGrover · 09-07-2019 10:17am

I enjoyed this. I didn't pay too much notice to the logistics of The Snap. When they change the internal logic of a movie or show in order to get out of situations I have a problem with that (Instant Crow-munication/transportation of characters in the latter seasons of Game of Thrones for example). but, for something like a superhero movie, I let a lot slide and just have fun.

So yeah, I enjoyed this. Thought Jake Gyll... Gill.... Gylen..... Jake was very good. The look on his face when he said "I'm Mysterio" was very funny.(I hope it was meant to be).

OK. We can spoiler now....

[spoilerI thought it was quite clever. I couldn't understand the change in character of Nick Fury. Thought his tone was off. Don't know if it was intentional (given the fact it wasn't Fury) or unintentional. I'm gonna say intentional. [/spoiler]

I hind Tom Holland very enjoyable as PP and actually really enjoy all the cast: From Flash to those two kids who do the videos (The girl's nervous delivery always makes me laugh).

The only thing that's beginning to annoy me is the way Marvel are filming and inserting shots into the trailer that are purely there to wrong-foot people. I get it: These days it is almost impossible to stop spoilers and these are thrown in to divert people's attention but now you never know what scene is going to be in a movie.

That scene in the trailer for Spiderman 1 with Spiderman and Ironman swinging/flying side-by-side: Was shot purely for the trailer (Same with Rogue One where the character walks defiantly towards a hovering TIE Fighter).

Mid Credit sequence? IMHO the best since "Let me talk to you about The Avengers Initiative" in Ironman 1. I was never a comic-reader when I was a kid: 70's Ireland couldn't afford US comics

but I gathered enough info over the years.

Enough to know what JK Simmons was PERFECT as JJJ. Was thinking "OK, now it's another reboot, who can they get to replace JK Simmons?.... Answer: Nobody!" Brilliant.

I'm assuming they'll get over the whole secret identity thing by using a life double or whatever they call them. So that will get most people off PP's back (But some will have lingering doubts). And it leaved Simmons open to go full on JJJ/Infowars-srazy with all the fake news. Should be fun.

(Still prefer Into the Spiderverse though

)

mickmac76 · 09-07-2019 10:52am

Hi

I have a question for fans of the avengers series. So I've seen all the previous films except endgame which I missed due to a long illness and am waiting for it to be released on dvd. Can I still watch the spider man film or would it be riddled with spoilers about what happens in endgame. About all I know is that iron man dies in endgame but I've avoided any other real spoilers. Would love to go to the cinema this week but there's nothing else on. Would like opinions on weather spider man will ruin endgame for me. Thanks for any opinions.

Baggly · 09-07-2019 10:56am

Endgame was rereleased and may still be on in your cinema if you did want to see it.

Beyond the IM death, id say you will be fine if you watch FFH.

AMKC · 09-07-2019 11:15am

mickmac76 wrote: »

Hi

I have a question for fans of the avengers series. So I've seen all the previous films except endgame which I missed due to a long illness and am waiting for it to be released on dvd. Can I still watch the spider man film or would it be riddled with spoilers about what happens in endgame. About all I know is that iron man dies in endgame but I've avoided any other real spoilers. Would love to go to the cinema this week but there's nothing else on. Would like opinions on weather spider man will ruin endgame for me. Thanks for any opinions.

Apart from the beginning of the movie you should be grand but I think you would enjoy ''Spider-Man: Far From Home' much better if you had seen Endgame so try and see Endgame first even if you have to find it online somewhere. Sure if you have a good setup at home it would be nearly as good as a cinema and then you could go see ''Spider-Man: Far From Home'' and enjoy it a lot more.

09-07-2019 11:16am

Baggly wrote: »

Endgame was rereleased and may still be on in your cinema if you did want to see it.

Beyond the IM death, id say you will be fine if you watch FFH.

Ummm

Cap and Black Widow are name checked too no?

Baggly · 09-07-2019 11:17am

Deleted User wrote: »

Ummm
Cap and Black Widow are name checked too no?

Yeah but its hardly central to FFH like IMs death was. Poster would be fine not knowing that and pick it up from context. Is it going to ruin Endgame for him? It wouldnt for me.

pjohnson · 09-07-2019 11:24am

I'm pretty sure Feige said he wanted Mendelsohn Jackson to be more like Talos than to fully try to be SLJ's his own Fury so those odd "out of character" moments are by design since they wanted Fury to be slightly "wrong"

Edit - I got it worded all wrong :pac:

Sad Professor · 09-07-2019 6:35pm

Warning:

Spoilers from this post onward. No spoiler tags will be used. If you haven't seen the film yet, read no further.

Zero-Cool · 09-07-2019 6:52pm

This is great. Spoilers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JQLgoWphDc

FunLover18 · 09-07-2019 6:52pm

HOLY SH*T THEY GOT JK SIMMONS BACK!!!!!!!!

flazio · 09-07-2019 9:17pm

I get the feeling not all is what it seems in that mid credits scene. Another illusion or perhaps Doctor Strange will just clean that one right up.
And while it's awesome to see the JK Simmons back in the tash, I rather suspect it's only meant as an easter egg rather than any future longer role for the actor or the character.

Lithium93_ · 09-07-2019 9:35pm

flazio wrote: »

I get the feeling not all is what it seems in that mid credits scene. Another illusion or perhaps Doctor Strange will just clean that one right up.
And while it's awesome to see the JK Simmons back in the tash, I rather suspect it's only meant as an easter egg rather than any future longer role for the actor or the character.

Jon Watts has hinted that he might be back, but similar to how Jameson appeared in the PS4 Spider-Man game. Kind of like Alex Jones..

expectationlost · 10-07-2019 7:01pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Or they could let him live his life the way he wants?

for the length that it will be?

justinbellford · 10-07-2019 7:37pm

As a huge fan of Mysterio, I have always wanted to see him on the big screen. I thought they brought in and adapted him into the MCU perfectly. I just wish there was more! I really am pulling for a Sinister 6 movie maybe after this trilogy wraps.

I think I heard that the director was wanting Kraven the Hunter to be the next villain. With how the end credits leave off, I could see that being interesting and setting up to a larger villain team up.

Also with the drone tech in this movie, I am curious to see if they will ever bring in the Spider Slayers.

FunLover18 · 10-07-2019 8:19pm

justinbellford wrote: »

As a huge fan of Mysterio, I have always wanted to see him on the big screen. I thought they brought in and adapted him into the MCU perfectly. I just wish there was more! I really am pulling for a Sinister 6 movie maybe after this trilogy wraps.

I think I heard that the director was wanting Kraven the Hunter to be the next villain. With how the end credits leave off, I could see that being interesting and setting up to a larger villain team up.

Also with the drone tech in this movie, I am curious to see if they will ever bring in the Spider Slayers.

Not overly familiar with Kraven but would he not work best not knowing Spidey's real identity? Doesn't the reveal make it a bit easier?

Loughc · 10-07-2019 9:47pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

Not overly familiar with Kraven but would he not work best not knowing Spidey's real identity? Doesn't the reveal make it a bit easier?

Yeah true. I imagine he could just head over to the Parker resident and bang Peter’s a squished spider.

Guy:Incognito · 10-07-2019 9:49pm

expectationlost wrote: »

for the length that it will be?

Yes. It's not up to a film company to decide for an adult about what way he wants to live.

There are overweight people in the world, such is life. You'd swear he was the only one the way youre going on.

RickBlaine · 11-07-2019 7:26pm

El Duda wrote: »

I just think its hilarious how everyone accepts a talking Racoon but gets so hung up on this sort of thing.

I don't think there's any real appetite for a 2 hour melodrama exploring the repercussions of the 'blip' in graphic detail.

The post snap situation has the potential to be a decent drama on Netflix (or Disney+ now). But comparisons to The Leftovers are inevitable.

justinbellford · 11-07-2019 8:04pm

Knowing it is Peter would be an incredibly easy way to make a Kraven movie all of 10 minutes long. Found you, and you're dead.

That said, if we have Peter trying to spin that he is only FRIENDS with Spider-Man that might change things. You never saw who Spider-Man was in the drone footage, only that Mysterio is claiming it to be Peter. His class was there for their trip, who is to say that he was not just picked out of the blue and blamed because he happened to be there?

It could be that Peter is trying to keep his identity a secret/working for the Bugle to provide photos or info on Spider-Man to show that they are not the same, while being hunted by Kraven who is always one step ahead of Peter.

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