2018 Leaf

KCross · 29-03-2017 12:24pm

Thats no Micra. Too big.
It actually does look like the car in post 39 with the plastic bags off. Probably a doodler who is interpreting the mule pictures.

If that were Leaf II I'd be happy with the look of that and it looks sleek enough from an aerodynamic perspective.

Stallingrad · 29-03-2017 12:27pm

That is a rendering of the new Leaf, this is the new Micra.

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unkel · 29-03-2017 1:22pm

So why are they making the new Leaf look like a big fat new Micra? Old Leaf as a big fat old Micra was bad enough

KCross · 29-03-2017 1:34pm

unkel wrote: »

So why are they making the new Leaf look like a big fat new Micra? Old Leaf as a big fat old Micra was bad enough

Isnt that how most of the manufacturers do it. They have a general design look/feel that runs through their range.

goz83 · 29-03-2017 1:35pm

I like that render. Very nice actually

unkel · 29-03-2017 5:33pm

KCross wrote: »

Isnt that how most of the manufacturers do it. They have a general design look/feel that runs through their range.

They shouldn't when the range is based on the fecking Micra

Works for Audi alright, they all look the same. In an alright, non-offensive, conservative kind of way.

There's no way that above Micra or Leaf have a coefficient of drag of under 0.26 - that was the most important need for the Leaf 2 here...

29-03-2017 5:58pm

For many sufficient headroom and space for a 60 kWh battery will outweigh the aero penalty. I was actually very surprised how claustrophobic Tesla Model S felt to a 6ft person. The ceiling is very low.

unkel · 29-03-2017 9:25pm

Not so sure about how relevant it is for many. I don't think I've ever seen a 6ft person in the back of a Leaf. Most owners would be families with children below 6 foot

But true enough point, in that a 6 footer in the back of sleek aerodynamic cars like a Tesla Model S, Model 3 or a Hyundai Ioniq wouldn't have much head room.

grogi · 29-03-2017 10:09pm

unkel wrote: »

Not so sure about how relevant it is for many. I don't think I've ever seen a 6ft person in the back of a Leaf. Most owners would be families with children below 6 foot

But true enough point, in that a 6 footer in the back of sleek aerodynamic cars like a Tesla Model S, Model 3 or a Hyundai Ioniq wouldn't have much head room.

There is enough room for 6'4" handsome on a back seat in an aerodynamically correct Prius...

unkel · 29-03-2017 10:24pm

Prius (still!!!) not an EV. But the 0.26 for the Prius is not bad. Not good either though compared to the massive 7 seater that is the Model X (0.24)...

listermint · 29-03-2017 11:03pm

If that's the first finished car i take my hat off to Nissan. They've listened they've made it look both normal and very well in one swoop.

Kudos.

Alu · 29-03-2017 11:24pm

unkel wrote: »

Prius (still!!!) not an EV. But the 0.26 for the Prius is not bad. Not good either though compared to the massive 7 seater that is the Model X (0.24)...

That sounds amazing for something the size of a Model X. The new Prius is 0.24 too but like the Ioniq needs a steep sloping roof (and quirky design in the case of the Prius) to achieve that.

As examples of nice designs which don’t shout about their aero efficiency - the current Audi A4 is just 0.23, and the Mazda 3 is 0.26. It’s clearly achievable and doesn’t make sense for Nissan not to take advantage.

30-03-2017 12:29am

Drag coefficient doesn't tell the full story. A car with a large frontal area can also have a good drag coefficient but not be fuel efficient. Similarly, a small car with slightly high cd value can still be less wind resistant than a tall vehicle with on paper has a better cd. But yeah, the current Leaf is both tall and has a bad drag coefficient.

And yes, due the tall design the current leaf feels unbelievably airy inside compared to e.g. Model S. I was earlier referring the feel when on drivers seat: I felt quite trapped there. I can't remember experiencing that with any non sports car before, let alone a large "sedan". It was very unexpected as I can't remember that being mentioned. In leaf there is almost ridiculous headroom in comparison. The rear seat should/could actually be raised in the current model to make the knee angle better.

BoatMad · 30-03-2017 12:53pm

unkel wrote: »

Not so sure about how relevant it is for many. I don't think I've ever seen a 6ft person in the back of a Leaf. Most owners would be families with children below 6 foot

But true enough point, in that a 6 footer in the back of sleek aerodynamic cars like a Tesla Model S, Model 3 or a Hyundai Ioniq wouldn't have much head room.

6foot 3. No issues in back of leaf leaf is a very spacious

31-03-2017 5:59pm

My partners Dad is 6 foot 5 and compliments the room in the Leaf.

BoatMad · 05-04-2017 1:18pm

Nissan Ireland confirmed today at Seai show that irish 2018 leafs will be chademo

05-04-2017 1:33pm

Interesting. Good for chademo and good for the current Irish charger network. That means the the car will have to go on sale before the beginning of Jan 2018 seen as CCS will be mandatory from then. Unless there will be both onboard...

ethernet · 05-04-2017 1:38pm

samih wrote: »

Interesting. Good for chademo and good for the current Irish charger network. That means the the car will have to go on sale before the beginning of Jan 2018 seen as CCS will be mandatory from then. Unless there will be both onboard...

If you see the mule images, the charging flap looks a bit wider than it is now so could well happen.

unkel · 05-04-2017 1:48pm

That's a strange decision they seem to be going with both CCS and CHAdeMO here in Ireland? Will they also have type 1 and type 2? Might as well stick in a UK plug in the car somewhere too, saves them from having to supply a granny cable

cros13 · 05-04-2017 2:22pm

CCS is already mandatory for any chargers that aren't 100% privately funded.
CCS is expected to be mandatory on the car side from next year, and it's been well signalled by the EU.

If they are going chademo that's very shortsighted.

05-04-2017 2:28pm

In theory it is good if there is a mix of CCS/chademo as some of the charging stations can supply both types (at shared max rate though) simultaneously. Per minute charging for charging may throw a spanner in the works though.

cros13 · 05-04-2017 2:37pm

samih wrote: »

In theory it is good if there is a mix of CCS/chademo as some of the charging stations can supply both types (at shared max rate though) simultaneously. Per minute charging for charging may throw a spanner in the works though.

True, but none of ESBs can do CCS and Chademo at the same time.

KCross · 05-04-2017 2:38pm

samih wrote: »

In theory it is good if there is a mix of CCS/chademo as some of the charging stations can supply both types (at shared max rate though) simultaneously. Per minute charging for charging may throw a spanner in the works though.

Can they?

I thought you could only charge one DC and one AC simultaneously.
I didnt think it was ever possible to run two DC charge sessions together.

You are sure two DC sessions can run together?

05-04-2017 3:08pm

I said "some" but as far as I know none are installed in Ireland at the moment. The future Efacec 350 kW models were mentioned. What it really means is that if there are sufficient number of both cars around this may become very useful in the future.

unkel · 05-04-2017 6:05pm

Well I'd expect very few Leafs to be write offs, so almost all of them ever sold or imported here will be still running in 5-10 years time (minus the occasional crashed one or dead one), so we will need CHAdeMO public charging for a long time to come.

BoatMad · 05-04-2017 7:00pm

Nissan said CCS will not.be mandatory in cars in 2018

unkel · 05-04-2017 7:46pm

Nissan says no.

cros13 · 05-04-2017 8:46pm

BoatMad wrote: »

Nissan said CCS will not.be mandatory in cars in 2018

There is a new alternative fueled vehicles directive (in addition to the 2014 linked below) and a number of key reviews due next year.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32014L0094

Germany and Slovakia have indicated they may mandate CCS from 2018. Several other governments have indicated that a single rapid charging standard on the car side is something they think is required.

Gumbo · 05-04-2017 9:03pm

cros13 wrote: »

There is a new alternative fueled vehicles directive (in addition to the 2014 linked below) and a number of key reviews due next year.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32014L0094

Germany and Slovakia have indicated they may mandate CCS from 2018. Several other governments have indicated that a single rapid charging standard on the car side is something they think is required.

They said the same about mobile phones many years ago. Most went with the mini/micro USB but it didn't really take off. Damn Apple!

05-04-2017 9:25pm

kceire wrote: »

They said the same about mobile phones many years ago. Most went with the mini/micro USB but it didn't really take off. Damn Apple!

Actually, the mad thing about that was only the actual charger was to be standardised not the charge lead, this is why most chargers (the actual thing that plugs into the wall) are USB because you can use different leads.

BoatMad · 05-04-2017 11:57pm

cros13 wrote: »

There is a new alternative fueled vehicles directive (in addition to the 2014 linked below) and a number of key reviews due next year.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32014L0094

Germany and Slovakia have indicated they may mandate CCS from 2018. Several other governments have indicated that a single rapid charging standard on the car side is something they think is required.

there is a 24 month lead-in after adoption for technical measures

Given the usual delays in the EU , we could be looking at 2021 before a mandatory connector is in place

06-04-2017 12:03am

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually, the mad thing about that was only the actual charger was to be standardised not the charge lead, this is why most chargers (the actual thing that plugs into the wall) are USB because you can use different leads.

And the worst thing about this is that Apple for instance won't allow you charge at the full 2.1 amps on anything but an Ipad or Apple approved after market charger.

For instance, if I use my old 2.1 amp S5 charger with my Iphone 6S Plus it will not fast charge but if I use the Ipad charger it will fast charge.

The slower charging is fine over night and the battery lasts so long that I'd really get 2 days out of the 6s Plus anyway so fast charging isn't necessary.

BoatMad · 06-04-2017 12:08am

Deleted User wrote: »

And the worst thing about this is that Apple for instance won't allow you charge at the full 2.1 amps on anything but an Ipad or Apple approved after market charger.

For instance, if I use my old 2.1 amp S5 charger with my Iphone 6S Plus it will not fast charge but if I use the Ipad charger it will fast charge.

The slower charging is fine over night and the battery lasts so long that I'd really get 2 days out of the 6s Plus anyway so fast charging isn't necessary.

Apple chargers advertise available charge rates by using resistors across USB data lines. Many third party chargers do not do this correctly or dont do it at all

unkel · 06-04-2017 12:11am

BoatMad wrote: »

there is a 24 month lead-in after adoption for technical measures

Given the usual delays in the EU , we could be looking at 2021 before a mandatory connector is in place

Did a quick google there and in fairness, I can't see anything in place yet to only allow CCS from 2018. A lot of talk going back to 2013/2014, but nothing concrete.

06-04-2017 12:12am

Yes but the official Apple cable still doesn't enable fast charging the 6S Plus from a Samsung charger.

BoatMad · 06-04-2017 12:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes but the official Apple cable still doesn't enable fast charging the 6S Plus from a Samsung charger.

The current setting resistors are placed in the USB socket on the charger as the cable cant know what the capability of a given charger

in the absence of the current setting resistors the phone defaults to standard charging ( i.e. USB limits )

06-04-2017 3:58am

I did a test, S5 + Samsung charger, charger warm, charges phone fast.

Samsung Charger + Iphone , charger cool Iphone charges slowly.

Ipad Charger, charger warm Iphone charges fast.

Iphone charger, warm but charges slowly, it's only 1 amp or something like that but fine for over night.

listermint · 06-04-2017 4:10am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I did a test, S5 + Samsung charger, charger warm, charges phone fast.

Samsung Charger + Iphone , charger cool Iphone charges slowly.

Ipad Charger, charger warm Iphone charges fast.

Iphone charger, warm but charges slowly, it's only 1 amp or something like that but fine for over night.

One plus three, charges faster than anything you have noted there, and it charges cool. Such is the operation of properly designed fast charging

06-04-2017 6:40am

listermint wrote: »

One plus three, charges faster than anything you have noted there, and it charges cool. Such is the operation of properly designed fast charging

You've lost me there. Perhaps because it's 06:40 and I've been working nearly 72 hrs .........

peposhi · 06-04-2017 8:23am

Deleted User wrote:

You've lost me there. Perhaps because it's 06:40 and I've been working nearly 72 hrs .........

Careful, Mad Lad, if you keep going like that you may not enjoy family and EV for long...

unkel · 06-04-2017 10:58am

Deleted User wrote: »

You've lost me there. Perhaps because it's 06:40 and I've been working nearly 72 hrs .........

One Plus is a Chinese company that makes high end Android phones and sells them for well less than half the price of equivalent (lower spec) Apple phones or the highest spec Android phones from HTC and Samsung. The "Three" is their latest phone. I had a "One" myself and it truly was an exceptionally good phone for the money.

BoatMad · 06-04-2017 11:05am

To avoid thread drift. I hope the technical explanation I provided explains the situation with generic USB chsrge units and Apple devices. Because we are off the topic here

unkel · 06-04-2017 12:03pm

Again

waraf · 06-04-2017 1:10pm

I haven't read the whole thread but is there any chance they're going to release a more expensive 60kw/h leaf alongside the 40kw/h version OP? I was planning on making the move from ICE to a nissan leaf next year but that was under the assumption that a 60kw/h version was going to be available. Thanks

listermint · 06-04-2017 1:32pm

waraf wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread but is there any chance they're going to release a more expensive 60kw/h leaf alongside the 40kw/h version OP? I was planning on making the move from ICE to a nissan leaf next year but that was under the assumption that a 60kw/h version was going to be available. Thanks

No one really knows yet, There are rumours all over the net. So its not fair to comment but that 60Kw could be done, but would make the car expensive.

waraf · 06-04-2017 1:35pm

listermint wrote: »

No one really knows yet, There are rumours all over the net. So its not fair to comment but that 60Kw could be done, but would make the car expensive.

Fair enough. I guess I'll wait for an official announcement from Nissan before looking elsewhere for a car with a 60kw/h battery. Thanks

stesaurus · 06-04-2017 1:45pm

waraf wrote: »

Fair enough. I guess I'll wait for an official announcement from Nissan before looking elsewhere for a car with a 60kw/h battery. Thanks

Out of interest why 60kWh?

BoatMad · 06-04-2017 1:49pm

listermint wrote: »

No one really knows yet, There are rumours all over the net. So its not fair to comment but that 60Kw could be done, but would make the car expensive.

All I can say ( and you have to accept my bone fides here ) is that the Nissan product manager for EVs in Ireland , stood up, 2 weeks ago
In front of 60 people and categorically stated it would be launched with a 40 kWh. Battery

waraf · 06-04-2017 1:58pm

s.welstead wrote: »

Out of interest why 60kWh?

I want the extra range offered by the extra 20kw/h plus I usually buy a new car every 2 years but I plan on keeping this car for about 8 years and putting the money I save into the restoration of an old classic car I have.

I assume that the battery will degrade a bit over the course of 8 years too so the extra 20kw/h will mean I'm still left with a decent amount of range even with the degradation.

waraf · 06-04-2017 2:00pm

BoatMad wrote: »

All I can say ( and you have to accept my bone fides here ) is that the Nissan product manager for EVs in Ireland , stood up, 2 weeks ago
In front of 60 people and categorically stated it would be launched with a 40 kWh. Battery

Thanks. Hopefully they'll introduce a 60kWh battery at a later stage.

2018 Leaf

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