Labour want to bring back auto-birthright citizenship

It's a bit grim to say the least that the eu have to rescue us from our own politicians!

We're the third most indebted country in the developed world and these clowns want to take in more people that'll add to out debt.

enricoh wrote: »

It's a bit grim to say the least that the eu have to rescue us from our own politicians!

We're the third most indebted country in the developed world and these clowns want to take in more people that'll add to out debt.

On the plus side, dublin's the most expensive when it comes to cost of living. Sure give everyone a house when they come here and squeeze the taxpayers even more .

https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-expensive-europe-euro-cost-of-living-5118042-Jun2020/

DUBLIN HAS BEEN ranked as one of the most expensive places to live in Europe, according to a new survey. 

The survey of over 200 cities, carried out by Mercer – which publishes a yearly guide to the cost of living in cities – ranked Dublin 46th, making it the most expensive city in the eurozone. 

The cost of renting was named as one of the reasons for Dublin’s high cost of living. The latest data from property website Daft.ie shows that there has been a 39% increase in the number of properties advertised to rent in the city, with the average monthly rent nationwide in May set at €1,398 – 0.7% higher than a year ago. 

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

Maybe that has something to do with a certain referendum in 2004 and a subsequent change to the constitution.

There's more evidence in Trumps cases being laughed out of court across the US at the moment than there is in this statement.

I think a key difference between USA and Ireland here is that the USA does not have a comparable welfare system. People go to America with the expectation of paying their own way. So it doesn't really attract "bad dudes" so much as people who want to work for a better life for themselves and their families.

Our welfare system is a joke. The punchline is people who do nothing get houses that fairly successful people cannot afford.

Kivaro wrote: »

And here we have, ladies and gentlemen, the new Godwin law of our 'new' age. When open-border types have lost the argument and cannot provide any sensible viewpoint to the discussion, they throw in the name "Trump", in the hope of derailing the thread. It is their last resort. All it does is actually highlight their dismal failure to constructively add to the topic on hand.

If you want to stick with the Project Fear tone that Ireland is only functioning in anyway approaching a reasonable fashion is because of the absence of an Irish passport for people who were still born and probably mostly live in the country then you go ahead. It's a narrative based on nothing other than scare tactics.

As for reference to Trump, you may have missed how topical him and his own selective views are right now. Up until a month ago, these boards were full of people saying his being returned was only going to be a formality. You wouldn't be the only person trying desperately to ignore the show he has made of himself and anyone who supported him. But, similar to his travel bans to the US from Muslim countries ignored the fact that most terrorism experienced in the US is from White ultra conservatives, you and others can continue to wave your pitchforks at a small number of people and convince yourself that the safety of the entire country is based on keeping their number as low as possible.

Tell me how wrote: »

If you want to stick with the Project Fear tone that Ireland is only functioning in anyway approaching a reasonable fashion is because of the absence of an Irish passport for people who were still born and probably mostly live in the country then you go ahead. It's a narrative based on nothing other than scare tactics.

As for reference to Trump, you may have missed how topical him and his own selective views are right now. Up until a month ago, these boards were full of people saying his being returned was only going to be a formality. You wouldn't be the only person trying desperately to ignore the show he has made of himself and anyone who supported him. But, similar to his travel bans to the US from Muslim countries ignored the fact that most terrorism experienced in the US is from White ultra conservatives, you and others can continue to wave your pitchforks at a small number of people and convince yourself that the safety of the entire country is based on keeping their number as low as possible.

Why do so few countries have this citizenship model? Trump is it?

Ireland is already more giving than most EU countries, but it seems for the extreme* left it isn't enough.



https://epthinktank.eu/2018/07/11/acquisition-and-loss-of-citizenship-in-eu-member-states-key-trends-and-issues/figure-1-rules-of-jus-soli-citizenship-in-eu-28/



*Ivana may be a member of a common left wing party, but unconditional jus soli is an extreme view compared to other European countries.

Wibbs wrote: »

I think trump is an orange moron and have from the start, and considered any Irish person using MAGA a thundering gobsh1te and have been quite clear about it. I also think a terrorist threat from Irish Muslims a low risk. Never mind that even radicals are largely given a free rein here, so likely won't want to poo on their own doorstep.

My issue is with the current politic of multiculturalism itself. It doesn't work very well, least of all for some migrant demographics. Its positives are at best vague and seem to boil down to exoticism and food and charity, the negatives are legion and demonstrable and are witnessed over many decades in every single European(and other) state where it's in play. We also have our own existing social problems, so why import more and worse ones? This is already happening in this country after the influx of non EU nationals 20 years ago. Africans are significantly more likely to be undereducated and unemployed than EU migrants and native Irish. These are facts.

The fact that many see multiculturalism working is either that they are blinkered to the social problems it causes or the idea that they are "seen" to do the right thing.

Multiculturalism does not work.

Trump is an idiot, there is no denying that fact. He has brought to the fore the mindless and baseless changing of American Demographics though.

The fact that many want unfettered and no-boarders policy to immigration is crazy IMHO and I speak as an immigrant.

While many say that the social welfare system in the States is non-existent, that is not entirely correct. Many come here who and are given, free health-care, free housing, free-education. This is something that the working class in America have to pay for. The poor in many cases cannot afford it. The middle-class is suffering (and dying out) and they are finding it even more difficult to afford the basics for their kids.

Before you say I am making stories up about this. I have personal experience of people here, using the system (which I cannot blame them for doing) to get ahead in life, none of whom have paid a cent into the tax system but get free health care, education and even transportation allowances.

There are communities in Maine who have been brought in (not naming origination) who have been given housing, social welfare and yet treat the community as a toilet. Yet, local people if caught short on a drive have been charged with public indecency.

I have never taken social welfare in any country (including Ireland). I have always worked to get ahead. I work hard for me and mine and expect to get nothing from the State.

Someone coming to Ireland as a refugee (and yes I have worked in Refugee camps) I have no issue with if they are genuine. Economic Migrants I DO have an issue with. You move to better yourself. Fine! Do not expect to better yourself at the expense of the local population. Do not expect a free house, free money and then expect to bring the rest of the family over.

The system is NOT designed to be a lifestyle. It is designed to help those who pay into it and the disadvantaged in society to survive.

Ireland has its fair share of people abusing the system. Should we not get our own exploiters (and yes they exist) organised first, before bringing in further social issues to the country?

Deleted User wrote: »

There's only about a half dozen approaches wordlwide;

- Unconditional (eg. USA, Canada Mexico)
- Parental status (eg. Ireland, UK, Germany)
- Age/residency of child (eg. Finland France)
- Parental status or age/residency of child (eg. Belgium, Australia)
- Combination of parental status and age/residency of child (eg. Portugal, South Africa)
- Zero (eg. Russia, Sweden, Norway)

EU countries are in 5/6 approaches.

The EU cannot stop an EU country from implementing unconditional birthright citizenship. They may tut-tut about it but has no legal foundation to stop it.

There are no European states that grant birthright citizenship.
Of more than 200 recognised states in the UN, 35 do, and they are nearly all in Latin America.

None of the countries where most of those who would avail of birthright citizenship here - as they did before 2004 - grant birthright citizenship.

Deleted User wrote: »

Despite trying to for the last couple of decades, the EU Overlords haven't managed get us to change our corporation tax yet.


Anyway, I've introduced some reality into this land of make believe, do with it what ye will.

I'll let ye get back to it.

You made a totally false claim regarding citizenship in other EU states that was designed to imply that some have birthright citizenship. None of them do.

As for this state's relationship with the EU, it is not difficult to discern who is the boss. You might recall two referendums that were overturned because they displeased Brussels?

Anyway, the fact is, if you are familiar with the 2004 debate, is that the EU placed huge pressure on Dublin to reverse the stupid 1998 decision.

I know boards' threads are not representative of the Irish population but so far there doesn't seem to be any posts saying they agree with Labour on this.

Kivaro wrote: »

I believe that the record number sought by one African asylum seeker for reunification was .................... 74. Yes, he wanted 74 other people to be allowed entry into Ireland based on his successful asylum claim.
Sinn Fein was the party who really pushed for the reunification policy to be enacted, which it was. They kept telling us (i.e. RTE) that "we need these people".

SF were formally opposed to changing the criteria in 2004, but as it coincided with the local and European elections they did nothing publicly to support the campaign.

Now, the last election has convinced them that their electorate - which according to several studies is the most sceptical regarding immigration - all agree with them. The level heads of 2004 have been replaced by Pollyanna ideolgues.

Arthur Daley wrote: »

This was in January 2020, but there was an election coming up. Nonetheless this is what SF dangled before the electorate, and let's recall they got a considerable bounce just 8 months after their really poor performance in the 2019 European and local elections




https://gript.ie/no-sinn-fein-will-not-be-tough-on-immigration/

Some day they will trip themselves up. Despite their phony republicanism, the fact that they are a pretty much right of centre economically party in 6 cos which does all the stuff they whinge about down here, is lost on most of their voters.

Their faux nationalism also deludes many into believing that they are genuinely critical of open door immigration, but the critical mass now among elected reps and activists is all for it. Hopefully this will not be lost on those who were deluded into giving them such a big the last time.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Yes , One Eoin o Broin wasnt around back in 2004

The people who run SF couldn't give a f@rt about multi culturalism and all the leftie nonsense. It is a path to power and money.

They shift emphasis according to what they think suits the mood of the elctorate. They got it disastrously wrong with that clown Ní Riada running for the Áras and in the local and Europeans.

Then the other clowns gifted them top spot in the generals by making them the main issue! Not even the most optimistic Shinner saw that coming hence their throwing away of 10 - 15 extra seats. Thankfully.

A lot of the new intake are either far left rejects or village idiots so hopefully that will be the end of most of them. It is really like a slow bicycle race, however, as FG have safely cornered the traditional centre right market with a liberal tinge; while FF are in freefall so Shinners have a penalty kick on the "republican left" and increasingly among the sort of NGO types who were once Labour and stickies. Need some sort of nationalist alternative or we are goosed.

To get slightly back on topic....what has been Labours reasons for this apart from "its right"? As in its moraly just to do this?

How?

Is its just some childish "White Guilt" bs over how de evil whiteys enslaved all of Africa and stomped all over their lands or such? Its only going to destabilize our housing and welfare systems even more, at a time when we should be doing everything we can to fix them and not exacerbate them! And Labour are probably wondering why they have fallen to **** in polls while ignoring problems right in their face as the seek to go create new ones.