Corona Virus and events

Lambay island · 15-11-2020 5:00pm

Annie get your Run wrote: »

I don't think anyone is saying it's the same as a race though. It's clearly not. I don't really understand people giving out about them. What harm is it doing to the folks that want to take part? If you don't want to run one then don't, sure grand.

Also there are people giving out here that took part in the boards TT which was also not a race :P.

Yeh I agree,its a real each to their own thing. I'm not the biggest fan of TTs or virtual races but if it wasn't for them this year, I would have ran 1500 miles less.

rovers_runner · 15-11-2020 5:00pm

Annie get your Run wrote: »

I don't think anyone is saying it's the same as a race though. It's clearly not. I don't really understand people giving out about them. What harm is it doing to the folks that want to take part? If you don't want to run one then don't, sure grand.

Also there are people giving out here that took part in the boards TT which was also not a race :P.

I was thinking of it more from a PB point of view.
People could setup a 5k or even a marathon course dead flat with shelter and run on a calm day whenever suited.
The real test is when you don't get to dictate those variables and neither do the other hundred or thousand participants.

OOnegative · 15-11-2020 5:25pm

TT’s, virtual races etc are something I don’t buy into, not for me but each to their own.

Like Wottle I only race to better myself, but no way I’d be claiming a PB from a TT or Virtual race. Again that’s a personal preference but don’t think Boston, Berlin etc will accept your PB ran on the lonely roads of Ballygobackwards as a GFA qualifier.

Swashbuckler · 15-11-2020 6:53pm

Just to defend my own position on this. No issue with TT.. No issue with virtual races for charity. Can't wrap my head around the excitement for some of this bigger scale "events" though. GLR has announced a virtual for December. Makes no sense to me why people want to hand over their hard earned cash for what is essentially a training run but to each their own.
I think my own view of virtual races goes back to pre Covid where I've seen several examples of people thinking they're getting great value for money but in reality are just being taken advantage off.

Stark · 15-11-2020 7:20pm

The "Virtual Run the Line" is on this weekend. Now it's for a very good cause (Mountain rescue) but otherwise I think the idea is a bit farcical, especially now with travel restrictions so most people can't even get out to run it on trails. Better off just donating the money if you want to support them imo. I guess the one advantage is they already produced a stock of t-shirts and medals so it's an excuse to distribute them.

Murph_D · 15-11-2020 7:29pm

I’ve run a good few TTs this year, from one mile to marathon distance. I’ve run times that were probably faster than my HM and M PBs but I haven’t claimed them and never will. I think of them as PB-paced, half marathon/marathon-ish distance runs. I enjoyed all these runs immensely (in the aftermath) and some of them felt like races. But I’ve no problem with not claiming the PBs. Consumer level GPS watches like most of us use just aren’t good enough to know for sure.

And by the way the races where I didn’t get a ‘PB’ were definitely long.

Laineyfrecks · 15-11-2020 11:50pm

I wouldn't be the greatest at TT's at all, A race environment is where I am at my best. Nothing beats the buzz of it, but as many have already said each to their own. Isn't there enough going on really to bring us down at the moment? It can really help with motivation during these uncertain times so good for those people! I totally get the PB part of it & again that's an individual thing too. Of course people can go out & pick the flattest route on the best day but I think most of us here wouldn't do that as you are only really fooling yourself. I think if you are training towards a particular distance you do your block of training then taper so there's not really a huge choice of pushing out your TT to the best day possible, best day over a particular weekend maybe but not much longer than that if you want to feel the peak benefits of your training. Also I think a TT can be a lot tougher on the head than a race, given the fact that the head can go at any given time throwing you off completely, where as a race you are generally more focused & in the zone.
Unfortunately I can't see races coming back for a good while so if TT's work for people what's the harm.

Dudda · 16-11-2020 12:28am

The only exception to all these TT and where a PB counts was in the Boards 5k earlier this year. Anything else has to be an official timed race.

Chivito550 · 16-11-2020 12:06pm

I reckon TTs from 800m and up on a track are fair game, as the difference between hand time and electronic timing for longer distances are negligable, and the distance covered will be correct.

For 400m and under, hand times shouldn't be counted. They are way too inaccurate.

For road running, aren't GPS watches inaccurate? Like you might be within 100m in a 10km, but that's still a hell of a variance. So the time somebody is claiming isn't really the correct result. I ran a Parkrun once and my watch said 4.85km.

Tbh, unless you're new to it, and still rapidly improving, or have ramped up the training so much, that your PBs are now soft, I can't see how somebody runs a PB running by themselves, without that pre race adrenaline, and having people to race against.

PB is PERSONAL best, so each to their own. Not for me though.

Murph_D · 16-11-2020 1:14pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

...I can't see how somebody runs a PB running by themselves, without that pre race adrenaline, and having people to race against.

Magic shoes! :pac:

BeginnerRunner · 16-11-2020 1:17pm

Can you not just have a training PB and race PB and record them separately?

py · 16-11-2020 2:30pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

For road running, aren't GPS watches inaccurate? Like you might be within 100m in a 10km, but that's still a hell of a variance. So the time somebody is claiming isn't really the correct result. I ran a Parkrun once and my watch said 4.85km.

Had to compare Dublin half and full between 2019 and 2020 to see how much variance between them there were. Dublin half 2019 had an extra 100 metres compared with my virtual in 2020. Dublin full had an extra 160 metres compared with my virtual 2020.

I'll be taking 2020 times as my PBs as there's a large time difference between the two years for both runs. I'm not competing with anyone but myself. The distance was covered. Tis a PB for me. Other people might have different rules, these are mine.

MY BAD · 16-11-2020 6:38pm

Time trials are part of training with no races in my opinion to ensure you are training at the correct paces. If I got a personal best in a time trial I wouldn't count it as a PB but each to their own. I've done a few club virtual "races" and organised them too. They were just a distraction and some fun during the 1st lock down. I've never raced in a virtual race where you register and pay, then get a medal or what ever in the post. They don't appeal to me at all. I guess if my club decided to have their 10km race as a virtual race next year I'd probably do it to support the club

Hurrache · 17-11-2020 11:47am

Stark wrote: »

The "Virtual Run the Line" is on this weekend. Now it's for a very good cause (Mountain rescue) but otherwise I think the idea is a bit farcical, especially now with travel restrictions so most people can't even get out to run it on trails. Better off just donating the money if you want to support them imo. I guess the one advantage is they already produced a stock of t-shirts and medals so it's an excuse to distribute them.

There's nothing farcical about it.

You have a bunch of options with it

Cancel registration and receive a refund
Switch to the virtual option and receive a refund for the difference
Switch to the virtual option and donate the difference
Do nothing and your entry will be donated to the mountain rescue team

I enter it ever year, but actually get around to running it rarely. It's no different this year, but it'll get me out this week and I like their t-shirts.

6run28 · 18-11-2020 10:52am

Any word in the clubs/organisers about whether smaller marathons & races will go ahead in Spring ?

robinph · 18-11-2020 11:55am

MY BAD wrote: »

Time trials are part of training with no races in my opinion to ensure you are training at the correct paces. If I got a personal best in a time trial I wouldn't count it as a PB but each to their own. I've done a few club virtual "races" and organised them too. They were just a distraction and some fun during the 1st lock down. I've never raced in a virtual race where you register and pay, then get a medal or what ever in the post. They don't appeal to me at all. I guess if my club decided to have their 10km race as a virtual race next year I'd probably do it to support the club

Define "time trial".

You running laps around a track with you self timing or a mate stood at the side of the track timing and counting laps for you...

...or a measured and certified course with chip timing for start and finish, but each persons starts at 10 second intervals.

First one I wouldn't count for anything other than letting me know that I should try harder in the next race I do as if you get a good time in that situation then you clearly were not trying hard enough in your last race.
The second one the same would apply, in that you ran it mostly solo but probably caught or were overtaken by a few people who started at different times but you variously got your pacing wrongs. But that it's a certified course and with official timing it can also count as an "official" PB.

That's why I searched out a measured and timed solo time trial event for my attempt at the virtual London Marathon. It happened that the virtual marathon app gave me a time 30 seconds quicker than I actually ran so I've used that for my GFA application, but the time that I ran the actual marathon is the one given by the official timer over the actual properly measured course. Whilst I couldn't really claim to have been racing anyone on the day, that does count in my list of completed marathons, if I'd just run the same route using only the virtual app it wouldn't count (there were people running the same route in reverse on the day).

echancrure · 19-11-2020 9:28am

787 races in Japan: 1 case of Covid.

https://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2020/11/jaaf-study-of-787-races-held-since-july.html?spref=tw

average_runner · 19-11-2020 2:49pm

echancrure wrote: »

787 races in Japan: 1 case of Covid.

https://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2020/11/jaaf-study-of-787-races-held-since-july.html?spref=tw

Because you have to spend 2 weeks in isolation if u come into the country.

Here you can walk around and do whatever you want

Dubh Geannain · 19-11-2020 3:50pm

Going against the grain here a little. I haven't raced enough to have official PBs for many distances. I've got my fastest times for most of the main distances I'm interested in through my watch at this stage and I'd use them as a more accurate guide for me now than any race PBs. I'd go so far as to call them PBs for myself. My course choices while not measured officially were certainly honest in terms of grade. I wouldn't be too bothered if they're not official or recognised by anyone else because my satisfaction at achieving them was validation enough for me.

I haven't raced a 10k in over 20 years (scary) and my last 5k race time is now a minute and a half less than what I ran recently.

All that said I haven't gone to the extent of logging them as actual PBs anywhere on something like Strava because well I didn't race them. So no one else will see me declaring them as PBs, but they are to me.

crisco10 · 19-11-2020 4:02pm

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

Going against the grain here a little. I haven't raced enough to have official PBs for many distances. I've got my fastest times for most of the main distances I'm interested in through my watch at this stage and I'd use them as a more accurate guide for me now than any race PBs. I'd go so far as to call them PBs for myself. My course choices while not measured officially were certainly honest in terms of grade. I wouldn't be too bothered if they're not official or recognised by anyone else because my satisfaction at achieving them was validation enough for me.

I haven't raced a 10k in over 20 years (scary) and my last 5k race time is now a minute and a half less than what I ran recently.

All that said I haven't gone to the extent of logging them as actual PBs anywhere on something like Strava because well I didn't race them. So no one else will see me declaring them as PBs, but they are to me.

I'd be in this category as well to be honest. More so because of strong gains in the last 18 months.

I'd really consistent training since changing jobs in Sep 2019 and hadn't raced since that. So my "official" 5km PB is 18:50 or something from May 2019, but this year I've done 3 TT's around 18:12/18:15. My PB isn't 18:50 as far as I'm concerned, if asked I tend to go say something like "about 18:15, but haven't done a race cos of Corona".

I actually think I would go so far as to change my Strava, as it does represent my peak ability at that distance, which is a PB for me. This is easy when the gap is relatively large, if it were 30 seconds over a half marathon (as my buggy effort was a few weeks ago), I wouldn't consider it tbh. All be it that with the drag of a buggy, "equaling" my PB gives me a satisfaction that my HM PB "effort" was probably a PB if you know what I mean. But that's a little off the point.

ariana` · 19-11-2020 4:34pm

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

Going against the grain here a little. I haven't raced enough to have official PBs for many distances. I've got my fastest times for most of the main distances I'm interested in through my watch at this stage and I'd use them as a more accurate guide for me now than any race PBs. I'd go so far as to call them PBs for myself. My course choices while not measured officially were certainly honest in terms of grade. I wouldn't be too bothered if they're not official or recognised by anyone else because my satisfaction at achieving them was validation enough for me.

I haven't raced a 10k in over 20 years (scary) and my last 5k race time is now a minute and a half less than what I ran recently.

All that said I haven't gone to the extent of logging them as actual PBs anywhere on something like Strava because well I didn't race them. So no one else will see me declaring them as PBs, but they are to me.

Similar enough here too. I've never raced a 1m but my fastest mile was 7:01 in a 5k race. I did the boards TT earlier this year and i ran 6:38, i don't class it as an official PB but if i need my 1m pace to dictate a training pace I'd use 6:38 (well I'd probably round it to 6:40) rather than 7:01 as I feel it's a better predictor of where I am... If asked what my 1m pace is, i'd say 6:40 but likely mention that it's unofficial.

I haven't got any other "PBs" this year so it's not really relevant to me. And i can't see myself going after PB in a TT or Virtual Race. I think I'd just be left feeling frustrated that it's a "best time" but not a PB

As a general rule i think PBs are for personal satisfaction and a measure of progress against oneself only so if someone wants to count a time from a TT as a PB then it's no skin off my nose really. I've seen people run races that were clearly a couple of hundred metres short and still count the result as a PB so PBs can be fickle enough even in "official" races in my opinion.

pc11 · 22-11-2020 8:47pm

echancrure wrote: »

787 races in Japan: 1 case of Covid.

https://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2020/11/jaaf-study-of-787-races-held-since-july.html?spref=tw

Without accounting for the low prevalence in Japan and how the races are organised and their safety measure, that tells us very little unfortunately.

Plus, contact tracing at a race would be very difficult unless you have very strict tracing organisation, so saying there was only one case is likely not accurate in reality.

pc11 · 22-11-2020 9:20pm

6run28 wrote: »

Any word in the clubs/organisers about whether smaller marathons & races will go ahead in Spring ?

As soon as we hit Level 2, small races can restart.

If clubs are willing, that is. There may be limited appetite for taking it in.

But, I would hope that Raheny for instance restart their club races.

average_runner · 22-11-2020 9:48pm

pc11 wrote: »

As soon as we hit Level 2, small races can restart.

If clubs are willing, that is. There may be limited appetite for taking it in.

But, I would hope that Raheny for instance restart their club races.

March so:(

rovers_runner · 23-11-2020 4:33pm

Looks like anything from June onwards for large numbers will be safe thank God.

I'd say it might be smaller fields from April - June while things pick up so hopefully the larger races keep their powder dry for as long as possible and allow things take their course in politics/health circles.

robinph · 23-11-2020 4:55pm

The UK is jumping straight back into the next stage of their letting people into watch stadium sports after coming out of the national lockdown on 2nd December:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/55010011

Now that might not obviously be relevant to us ... but I would see things going along the lines of:
1)football stadiums gradually filling up, zero cases being found to occur in stadiums (bars and such like will need to stay closed)
2)non elite team sports allowed back, zero cases being found to occur in team sports
3)parkrun returns (there are now rumours of junior events returning first), only need weeks to get things up and running
4)small club running events return - need weeks/ months for planning and permissions
5)big paid events feel confident enough to make plans for months in advance - need months for planning and permissions

parkrun needs football to return to take the heat off regarding public perception of large crowds, but small club running events need parkrun to return for them to feel confident about being able to spend the time/ effort in planning events. parkrun can move fairly quickly now when they are in a position to return. The rumours I'd seen about the potential for juniors to return first was previously not seen as something they would try because there would be too many bearded and grey haired 14 year olds suddenly taking part, think they have now changed that opinion (or decided that would be minimal) and figure it will be easier to get kids sports restarted as there are less restrictions on their activities in the UK at least.

average_runner · 23-11-2020 6:05pm

robinph wrote: »

The UK is jumping straight back into the next stage of their letting people into watch stadium sports after coming out of the national lockdown on 2nd December:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/55010011

Now that might not obviously be relevant to us ... but I would see things going along the lines of:
1)football stadiums gradually filling up, zero cases being found to occur in stadiums (bars and such like will need to stay closed)
2)non elite team sports allowed back, zero cases being found to occur in team sports
3)parkrun returns (there are now rumours of junior events returning first), only need weeks to get things up and running
4)small club running events return - need weeks/ months for planning and permissions
5)big paid events feel confident enough to make plans for months in advance - need months for planning and permissions

parkrun needs football to return to take the heat off regarding public perception of large crowds, but small club running events need parkrun to return for them to feel confident about being able to spend the time/ effort in planning events. parkrun can move fairly quickly now when they are in a position to return. The rumours I'd seen about the potential for juniors to return first was previously not seen as something they would try because there would be too many bearded and grey haired 14 year olds suddenly taking part, think they have now changed that opinion (or decided that would be minimal) and figure it will be easier to get kids sports restarted as there are less restrictions on their activities in the UK at least.

I think Xmas will push it back a month!!

Van.Bosch · 23-11-2020 8:34pm

average_runner wrote: »

I think Xmas will push it back a month!!

I would feel confident booking a foreign marathon next Autumn, that’s something I wouldn’t have done last month.

OOnegative · 23-11-2020 8:43pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

I would feel confident booking a foreign marathon next Autumn, that’s something I wouldn’t have done last month.

https://www.enschedemarathon.nl/

This is the oldest marathon on Dutch soil, it normally gets roughly 700 runners for the marathon. The way things are going here I don’t see any reason it won’t go ahead in April. Something some might consider.

average_runner · 23-11-2020 11:53pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

I would feel confident booking a foreign marathon next Autumn, that’s something I wouldn’t have done last month.

I think autumn is good, if not May to be honest

Van.Bosch · 24-11-2020 10:28am

average_runner wrote: »

I think autumn is good, if not May to be honest

The confidence was two fold - safety and fitness! Safety might be okay in May, fitness unlikely!

echancrure · 29-11-2020 3:49pm

Totally expecting a new lock down by mid-January: Covid will absolutely love xmas and new year's celebrations.

Stay safe, a vaccine may be coming, but the virus is just as bad as before.
It's been a long year.

event · 30-11-2020 12:17am

Yeah be summer before any small events, winter before big city marathons

Sacksian · 30-11-2020 9:58am

David Matthews is (probably a little optimistically) planning to do three Morton Live events end of January, start of February: January 30th, February 13th, February 27th.

It will depend on us getting to Level 2 by then (which seems unlikely at this point). But if they ran it like they did the events during the summer, I think it would as safe as any sport could be under the current circumstances.

Chivito550 · 30-11-2020 2:49pm

Sacksian wrote: »

David Matthews is (probably a little optimistically) planning to do three Morton Live events end of January, start of February: January 30th, February 13th, February 27th.

It will depend on us getting to Level 2 by then (which seems unlikely at this point). But if they ran it like they did the events during the summer, I think it would as safe as any sport could be under the current circumstances.

Very optimistic, but good to see initiative.

Not sure whether I'll run them though. Sprinting flat out in cold weather seems a little dodgey. Though if he were to include unusual distances like 150m and 300m it would make it a good training session and something a bit different to the championship distances.

rovers_runner · 30-11-2020 3:07pm

The last race I took part in before this kicked off.
Little did I think at the bull run esque start line that I wouldn't be back for a while..

http://rahenyshamrock.ie/?p=4309

Raheny 5 2021 gone virtual, sad times go on.
God speed next October at this rate. Dr Death seems to have a plan to take the vaccine rollout mighty slowly.

Ceepo · 30-11-2020 3:31pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/feidhlim-kelly-athletics-competition-needs-a-roadmap-to-recovery-and-fast-1.4420719?mode=amp

"Championship qualification isn’t just at stake, says Kelly, but running careers."

Something I have been saying lately as well.

When most other sports at elite level (Golf, Horse racing, GAA, Soccer, Rugby) and some of these are only "friendly games"), have some competition going ahead, its a shame that athletes are losing out, not just in terms of competition, but also with their earning potential.

Time for Athletics Ireland and European Athletics to step up to the task of getting some competitive competition going ahead in the near future..

tea and coffee · 01-12-2020 1:44pm

I see Rock and Roll has been canned permanently.

Glencarraig · 01-12-2020 2:26pm

tea and coffee wrote: »

I see Rock and Roll has been canned permanently.

Just like the Run for Life, pulled out of Ireland because they were not making enough money here.

rovers_runner · 01-12-2020 2:28pm

tea and coffee wrote: »

I see Rock and Roll has been canned permanently.

Every cloud etc..
The bucket listers will be lost without a brand name to enter...

Time for Athletics Ireland to reinstate the park half as the national race.

event · 01-12-2020 2:52pm

Why would you want races to be cancelled?

Sad to see any races go. Never did it myself, but know loads that did and caught the running bug afterwards.

Ah well

Reg'stoy · 01-12-2020 2:57pm

rovers_runner wrote: »

The last race I took part in before this kicked off.
Little did I think at the bull run esque start line that I wouldn't be back for a while..

http://rahenyshamrock.ie/?p=4309

Raheny 5 2021 gone virtual, sad times go on.
God speed next October at this rate. Dr Death seems to have a plan to take the vaccine rollout mighty slowly.

Ok, some people might do Raheny for the plaque but most of us did it for the bag of chocolate at the end

. I loved that 2020's 3rd last runners chip and race time were the exact same, which meant they started right on the line and so were passed by everyone bar 2 in the race

On a more serious note, for me a virtual raheny would struggle because I enjoyed it for the small race almost parkrun atmosphere before hand, the squeeze in here for the start and St Anne's, but in saying that the usual crew might do it because of the money raised for charity. I probably even have some drawer space for the plaque :rolleyes:

Sunny Dayz · 01-12-2020 3:59pm

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Ok, some people might do Raheny for the plaque but most of us did it for the bag of chocolate at the end . I loved that 2020's 3rd last runners chip and race time were the exact same, which meant they started right on the line and so were passed by everyone bar 2 in the race

On a more serious note, for me a virtual raheny would struggle because I enjoyed it for the small race almost parkrun atmosphere before hand, the squeeze in here for the start and St Anne's, but in saying that the usual crew might do it because of the money raised for charity. I probably even have some drawer space for the plaque :rolleyes:

Yeah Raheny is one I'm going to miss next year. We've travelled up from the midlands the last couple of years to do it. The journey home is good - we are on a sugar high by the time we get home! The atmosphere is great, the kids races beforehand so enjoyable and the support along the 5 mile route is brilliant. I'll do the virtual, see can I find a good 5 mile route nearby and make up some goodie bags for ourselves to enjoy after!!

rovers_runner · 01-12-2020 4:03pm

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Ok, some people might do Raheny for the plaque but most of us did it for the bag of chocolate at the end . I loved that 2020's 3rd last runners chip and race time were the exact same, which meant they started right on the line and so were passed by everyone bar 2 in the race

On a more serious note, for me a virtual raheny would struggle because I enjoyed it for the small race almost parkrun atmosphere before hand, the squeeze in here for the start and St Anne's, but in saying that the usual crew might do it because of the money raised for charity. I probably even have some drawer space for the plaque :rolleyes:

Think of the money this club will miss out on as it is their main fundraiser for the year too.
It's an awful pity to think this will affect some clubs two years in a row too.

Sunny Dayz · 01-12-2020 4:07pm

tea and coffee wrote: »

I see Rock and Roll has been canned permanently.

It was my first half a few years ago. Enjoyed some parts of the route - running along the south quay and in the Phoenix Park. But "Rock n Roll" - not for me, there's more music along the women's mini marathon route!

rovers_runner · 01-12-2020 4:09pm

event wrote: »

Why would you want races to be cancelled?

Sad to see any races go. Never did it myself, but know loads that did and caught the running bug afterwards.

Ah well

I'd never like to see a club run event cancelled but for private money making enterprises then you have to look at the value they added and the overall experience including race fees.

I understand their fees are very high unless you commit 9 months in advance, also their organization on race day has had multiple problems over the few years they were here.

https://corkrunning.blogspot.com/2018/08/negative-publicity-for-rock-n-roll-half.html

I would though be interested to see how they managed to get multiple RCO's through the city center on a weekend morning in the summer....

average_runner · 01-12-2020 4:46pm

event wrote: »

Why would you want races to be cancelled?

Sad to see any races go. Never did it myself, but know loads that did and caught the running bug afterwards.

Ah well

Because the race was a money grabber and offered nothing in fairness. Did the first one which was probably the best one of the series.

Might get the national half moving around the country again

ewc78 · 01-12-2020 9:29pm

Thats a shame about the RnR.Ran it several times and always enjoyed it, always thought the course was more interesting than the Dublin Race Series Half.
My Half PB is from last years RnR.

Slow_Runner · 01-12-2020 10:15pm

Rataoth half cancelled today, pity but was never going to happen.
One thing that irked me tough was I was charged €3 service fee to get a refund! This is on top of €3 service fee to sign up. Don't get me wrong I have no issue supporting a local club, if there was a virtual option I would have taken it (did that with Donadea10k) but charged €6 for a race that was cancelled leaves a bad taste in fairness.

Rant over....

Ceepo · 02-12-2020 9:45am

rovers_runner wrote: »

Every cloud etc..
The bucket listers will be lost without a brand name to enter...

Time for Athletics Ireland to reinstate the park half as the national race.

Or better again, stage the national half and 10k in different counties throughout the country.

Instead of Dubin staging the vast majority of national championships races

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