Green List (Who will be on it?)

LilyShame · 17-07-2020 8:00pm

And yet tonight they say the list is less than 20 ...quite alot!

quote="Limpy;114064929"]Link is gone dead

"The country's travel 'green list' due to be published next week will be "very short" http://jrnl.ie/5153179t[/quote]

xvril · 17-07-2020 8:28pm

Denmark
Estonia
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Lithuania
Norway
Slovakia
Slovenia
Switzerland

Can't see any reason why the above countries wouldn't be on the list.

Spain had 1,400 cases today, I would say it won't be on it. I'd also have my doubts about Portugal and France. Italy potentially will be on it.

BringBackMick · 17-07-2020 8:39pm

xvril wrote: »

Denmark
Estonia
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Lithuania
Norway
Slovakia
Slovenia
Switzerland

Can't see any reason why the above countries wouldn't be on the list.

Spain had 1,400 cases today, I would say it won't be on it. I'd also have my doubts about Portugal and France. Italy potentially will be on it.

Yea I think they will find a way to not include France, Spain and Italy as they are the main holiday destination for Irish.

Central Europe likely to be greened.

BringBackMick · 17-07-2020 8:44pm

George Lee has put up an article there.

LilyShame · 17-07-2020 9:00pm

I see that... Its interesting he doesn't mention Greece...

BringBackMick wrote: »

George Lee has put up an article there.

Bob Harris · 17-07-2020 9:04pm

On the news now, if you return from a country not on the green list, you have to 'restrict' your movements for 14 days - not self isolate.

Dublin Mum · 17-07-2020 9:07pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

On the news now, if you return from a country not on the green list, you have to 'restrict' your movements for 14 days - not self isolate.

Yeah the “restriction” when travelling from green countries as opposed to “self isolation” was mentioned yesterday too on Drivetime. Just remains to be seen what countries will be listed and what criteria will be / were used on Wed to come up with the list.

coastwatch · 17-07-2020 9:15pm

Scotland should be on the green list. Similar size population to here and similar daily new cases reported, (17 today).
Both Scotland and Wales (16 new cases today) seem to have done a much better job in managing the pandemic than England.

Indestructable · 17-07-2020 9:21pm

I agree, and the Canaries. Can't see the breaking down of nations done though.

coastwatch · 17-07-2020 9:27pm

Indestructable wrote: »

I agree, and the Canaries. Can't see the breaking down of nations done though.

At least NI should be on the list.

LilyShame · 17-07-2020 9:34pm

Are they announcing on Monday or Wednesday?

quote="Dublin Mum;114065743"]Yeah the “restriction” when travelling from green countries as opposed to “self isolation” was mentioned yesterday too on Drivetime. Just remains to be seen what countries will be listed and what criteria will be / were used on Wed to come up with the list.[/quote]

Dublin Mum · 17-07-2020 9:36pm

LilyShame wrote: »

Are they announcing on Monday or Wednesday?

quote="Dublin Mum;114065743"]Yeah the “restriction” when travelling from green countries as opposed to “self isolation” was mentioned yesterday too on Drivetime. Just remains to be seen what countries will be listed and what criteria will be / were used on Wed to come up with the list.

[/quote]

Meeting was held last Wed so presumably decision made then with announcement Monday.

Ray Donovan · 18-07-2020 2:04am

So are we all convinced that the Canary Islands won't make this list so....?

votecounts · 18-07-2020 2:08am

Ray Donovan wrote: »

So are we all convinced that the Canary Islands won't make this list so....?

wont be on the list, the britain thing is also strange because of the CTA.

Ray Donovan · 18-07-2020 2:16am

I hold out very little hope that the Canaries will make it too. The only thing I'm clinging to is that they treat them as a separate entity to Spain but that really would be much too hard work for them.

Balls to it anyways as was supposed to be flying Monday.

18-07-2020 2:22am

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I hold out very little hope that the Canaries will make it too. The only thing I'm clinging to is that they treat them as a separate entity to Spain but that really would be much too hard work for them.

Balls to it anyways as was supposed to be flying Monday.

So just fecking fly ffs. It's the eu, you have the ehic if anything happens. It's entirely your business. in work, tell them you went to Kerry

Charles Babbage · 18-07-2020 2:42am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

So just fecking fly ffs. It's the eu, you have the ehic if anything happens. It's entirely your business. in work, tell them you went to Kerry

Lying is never wise, if there was some scare about the flight you were on or the like you'd be sacked, and rightly so.

Cyprus should be on the list.

MickeyLeari · 18-07-2020 7:19am

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Not a long list.

SomethingElse · 18-07-2020 7:29am

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I hold out very little hope that the Canaries will make it too. The only thing I'm clinging to is that they treat them as a separate entity to Spain but that really would be much too hard work for them.

Balls to it anyways as was supposed to be flying Monday.

What happens with regards to flight refunds if the country isn't on the list?

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 18-07-2020 7:30am

SomethingElse wrote: »

What happens with regards to flight refunds if the country isn't on the list?

Irrelevant I’m afraid, if the flight is still going.

Minier81 · 18-07-2020 7:34am

Zelda Creamy Gym wrote: »

Irrelevant I’m afraid, if the flight is still going.

I think the airline will be more likely to cancel the flight though,they are not going to fly half empty planes. So you might improve your chance of getting a refund if the airlines cancel more flights to non green list countries.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 18-07-2020 7:37am

Minier81 wrote: »

I think the airline will be more likely to cancel the flight though,they are not going to fly half empty planes. So you might improve your chance of getting a refund if the airlines cancel more flights to non green list countries.

They’ve already sold the tickets though, so they don’t care if you don’t turn up or not. It’ll cost them more if they have to refund everyone... They already are flying with half empty planes.

Limpy · 18-07-2020 7:54am

O'Leary has plenty of my cash but I'll back him in this situation. There's no way this works. It just inconvienes people.

What will end up happening is people will travel through the green list countries and on to the final destination and the same for the return. Basically quantifying the chances of getting the Virus.

LilyShame · 18-07-2020 8:06am

I think so.... They won't be on it.... Unless the Spain leader has a few drinks with MM at the Brussels 2day meeting.... and sweet talks him....

quote="Ray Donovan;114067919"]So are we all convinced that the Canary Islands won't make this list so....?[/quote]

LilyShame · 18-07-2020 8:09am

So everything from Ireland down on that list?

I could change my holiday with package operator today... Frm Spain to Greece...not sure what to do...

MickeyLeari wrote: »

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Not a long list.

otnomart · 18-07-2020 8:13am

LilyShame wrote: »

Unless the Spain leader has a few drinks with MM at the Brussels 2day meeting.... and sweet talks him....

Unlikely.
Irish population is low and Irish tourists numbers are low, therefore not enough to make a difference to another Country's economy compared to (say) tourists from the UK and Germany.

MickeyLeari · 18-07-2020 8:55am

LilyShame wrote: »

So everything from Ireland down on that list?

I could change my holiday with package operator today... Frm Spain to Greece...not sure what to do...

I would not be surprised if that was the case but a more sensible approach would be to say 7.5 and below which would cover Germany (performed far better overall than Ireland), Greece (same) and Italy (consistently low since June).

I would imagine that Ireland excluding Germany would be perceived extremely negatively, and indeed may have political implications. in what has traditionally been a positive tourism market for us.

In terms of potential inbound NL and Denmark would come in and it would at least be sensible in terms of the rolling approach and not shifting the goalposts depending on Ireland’s levels on a given week.

ninebeanrows · 18-07-2020 9:08am

Would seem crazy to exclude Germany.

Basically penalizing them for there widespread rigorous testing regime

MickeyLeari · 18-07-2020 9:19am

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Would seem crazy to exclude Germany.

Basically penalizing them for there widespread rigorous testing regime

Crazy also that they will be funding the begging bowl for the EU package which already there are serious domestic barriers to. That will not play out well in Germany - Ireland is banning us even though we performed far better than them and they want us to give them money.

is_that_so · 18-07-2020 9:23am

Minier81 wrote: »

I think the airline will be more likely to cancel the flight though,they are not going to fly half empty planes. So you might improve your chance of getting a refund if the airlines cancel more flights to non green list countries.

Non-green list just means 14 days isolation after it. You can still go there but are advised not to.

blackwave · 18-07-2020 9:46am

SomethingElse wrote: »

What happens with regards to flight refunds if the country isn't on the list?

Won't be a refund would be my guess as you are still allowed fly it's just you have to self-quarntine for 14 days when you get home.

DarHan84 · 18-07-2020 10:42am

Looking at the data, the current list, based on the 14 day rolling avg per 100k will look like this most likely... (only including Europe for this as most people's travel plans are pretty local right now).

Guernsey
Malta (.8 cases per 100k)
Finland
Hungary
Georgia
Estonia
Faroe Island
Norway
Lithuania
Latvia
Cyprus

Borderline countries who are just below Ireland but also in the safest tier today so likely in will be:
Greece
Italy
Slovakia
Liechtenstein
Denmark
Netherlands
Germany (6.2 cases per 100k)

After that, notable countries who likely won't make this Monday's list based on the data

France (11 per 100k)
UK (13 per 100k)
Spain (18 per 100k)
Portugal (48 per 100k)
Sweden (60 per 100k)

(Source https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/download-todays-data-geographic-distribution-covid-19-cases-worldwide)

18-07-2020 10:52am

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Lying is never wise, if there was some scare about the flight you were on or the like you'd be sacked, and rightly so.

Cyprus should be on the list.

No, you wouldn't.

It's entirely your business where you went. Your boss cannot sack you over that.

naughtysmurf · 18-07-2020 10:52am

I think the government will bottle it when it comes to the Canaries despite their low levels & they won't make the green list, they are very focused on reopening the schools & don't want families travelling anywhere really. Unless the Spanish numbers drop, my guess is it will be September or October before Spain gets on the list conveniently once the kids are back in school

DarHan84 · 18-07-2020 11:07am

LilyShame wrote: »

So everything from Ireland down on that list?

I could change my holiday with package operator today... Frm Spain to Greece...not sure what to do...

Not how it's working.. that list is just total cases, if you look at the rolling 14 day avg per 100k, that's what they will use.

As for the Canaries, I don't think they'll go by regions just yet, rather they'll just use countries. Opens up a bit of a Pandora's box if they do, I.e. do they then allow certain states in the US, Madeira but not Lisbon in Portugal etc.

LilyShame · 18-07-2020 11:21am

Thats interesting... So if Germany is on the list from a political point of view... Then Greece might scrape in....

quote="DarHan84;114068995"]Looking at the data, the current list, based on the 14 day rolling avg per 100k will look like this most likely... (only including Europe for this as most people's travel plans are pretty local right now).

Guernsey
Malta (.8 cases per 100k)
Finland
Hungary
Georgia
Estonia
Faroe Island
Norway
Lithuania
Latvia
Cyprus

Borderline countries who are just below Ireland but also in the safest tier today so likely in will be:
Greece
Italy
Slovakia
Liechtenstein
Denmark
Netherlands
Germany (6.2 cases per 100k)

After that, notable countries who likely won't make this Monday's list based on the data

France (11 per 100k)
UK (13 per 100k)
Spain (18 per 100k)
Portugal (48 per 100k)
Sweden (60 per 100k)

(Source https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/download-todays-data-geographic-distribution-covid-19-cases-worldwide)[/quote]

Darwin · 18-07-2020 11:23am

Does that figure for France include the overseas territories or is it just the mainland?

LilyShame · 18-07-2020 11:34am

I don't think that weird veto on public servants taking 4 weeks off for 2 weeks holiday....could ukd really stand up in court.. Its very very questionable.....

quote="Niner leprauchan;114069040"]No, you wouldn't.

It's entirely your business where you went. Your boss cannot sack you over that.[/quote]

Minier81 · 18-07-2020 11:41am

is_that_so wrote: »

Non-green list just means 14 days isolation after it. You can still go there but are advised not to.

Of course, but some people will choose not to travel if they don't wish to isolate for example.

Feria40 · 18-07-2020 11:52am

Doesn't the ECDC numbers per 100,000 include foreign territories eg in the case of France and also antibody testing eg in the case of Spain so the daily stats capture old data from weeks/months ago?

Dublin Mum · 18-07-2020 11:57am

Feria40 wrote: »

Doesn't the ECDC numbers per 100,000 include foreign territories eg in the case of France and also antibody testing eg in the case of Spain so the daily stats capture old data from weeks/months ago?

Yes it does.

We’re due to sail to Bilbao for 3 weeks later this week. Original plan was to travel northern Spain. Then considered travelling straight to the south of France and spending all our time there.
Now it looks like neither country will make the list!

Feria40 · 18-07-2020 12:06pm

I'm finding it hard to get the true data for Spain but found one report (olive press) which stated 919 NEW positives in the 7 days to July 15th.

At a very rough calculation that's the equivalent of 100 new cases a week in Ireland (taking Spain as 9 times our population).

Clearly Spain does have problems in some areas but from what I am reading they have really upped their testing capacity.

I take it it's only the headline number the cabinet/NPHET will look at

otnomart · 18-07-2020 1:06pm

Feria40 wrote: »

I'm finding it hard to get the true data for Spain but found one report (olive press) which stated 919 NEW positives in the 7 days to July 15th.

I check daily El Pais for Spain.
Thursday 16 July: 580 positive cases in a day
source: https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-07-17/new-coronavirus-outbreaks-in-aragon-catalonia-cause-spike-in-cases-with-580-infections-detected-in-spain-in-a-day.html

Friday 17 July: 628 cases
Source: https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-07-17/espana-se-repliega-ante-la-amenaza-de-una-segunda-ola-de-contagios.html

18-07-2020 10:05pm

Feria40 wrote: »

I'm finding it hard to get the true data for Spain but found one report (olive press) which stated 919 NEW positives in the 7 days to July 15th.

At a very rough calculation that's the equivalent of 100 new cases a week in Ireland (taking Spain as 9 times our population).

Clearly Spain does have problems in some areas but from what I am reading they have really upped their testing capacity.

I take it it's only the headline number the cabinet/NPHET will look at

Run more tests, get more results

Galego · 19-07-2020 7:49am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Run more tests, get more results

What really matters is barely reported which is number of people needing hospitalization and in UIC.

For instance, Catalunya reported almost 3000 cases this week (this number includes antibody tests). From that number 40 have needed to be in a hospital, this is actually less people than the previous week when they reported well under 1000 cases.1 person needed to be moved to UIC.
They have also reported one new death this week.

gazzaman22 · 19-07-2020 8:07am

gazzaman22 wrote: »

Watching this thread, we have 5 flights leaving Belfast sunday morning for Spain, still undecided whether to go or not, hotel is giving us the option of 24 hour notice to cancel,
If spain is not on the green or A list on Monday, and we go, technically at the minute when we return to Belfast 10 days later, am I right in thinking we dont need to quarantine? We live in ROI.

Flight leaves in 1 hour from Belfast, we aren't on it ðŸ€®

Feria40 · 19-07-2020 8:34am

gazzaman22 wrote: »

Flight leaves in 1 hour from Belfast, we aren't on it &#55356;&#56366;

Sickner

Wanderer2010 · 19-07-2020 8:39am

If USA is on the red list and we cannot travel there, does the opposite hold true and flights from USA cannot land here? I see no logic in preventing us from flying there if people from all over the USA can land here and potentially swarm all over the tourist areas, infecting countless people.

kingshankly · 19-07-2020 8:49am

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

If USA is on the red list and we cannot travel there, does the opposite hold true and flights from USA cannot land here? I see no logic in preventing us from flying there if people from all over the USA can land here and potentially swarm all over the tourist areas, infecting countless people.

Who says you can’t fly there of course you can you just need to quarantine on return

MickeyLeari · 19-07-2020 9:04am

kingshankly wrote: »

Who says you can’t fly there of course you can you just need to quarantine on return

Well no. US bans EU passport holders. But the flights will continue as they are carrying cargo.

Green List (Who will be on it?)

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