Golf coverage/commentator discussion thread!! Mod note #12

rooney30 · 30-07-2020 10:49pm

castor 1 wrote: »

He’s an embarrassment.
The ant hole was about a meter away from his stance and wasn’t affecting him in the slightest

McGinley is such a mealy mouthed twit . He hadn’t the courage on sky to call this for what it is . Just said something to the effect that every pro has chanced their arms at some stage of their careers

Mysterypunter · 30-07-2020 11:07pm

rooney30 wrote: »

McGinley is such a mealy mouthed twit . He hadn’t the courage on sky to call this for what it is . Just said something to the effect that every pro has chanced their arms at some stage of their careers

McGinley is one of the biggest clowns associated with golf, and there are quite a few, Mark roe, that clown with the microphone that does the on course interviews, Butch and Claude Harmon and their money grabbing greedy attitude, but McGinley would be right in the mix, wasn't much of a player, but seems to be a sky hero for being a lick arse and Ryder Cup captain. He reached the Wentworth matchplay final about 20 years ago, can't recall him doing anything else. Bryson damages no one but himself with his carry on, played well for 67, but could have been 64.

GolfNut33 · 30-07-2020 11:15pm

Mysterypunter wrote: »

McGinley is one of the biggest clowns associated with golf, and there are quite a few, Mark roe, that clown with the microphone that does the on course interviews, Butch and Claude Harmon and their money grabbing greedy attitude, but McGinley would be right in the mix, wasn't much of a player, but seems to be a sky hero for being a lick arse and Ryder Cup captain. He reached the Wentworth matchplay final about 20 years ago, can't recall him doing anything else. Bryson damages no one but himself with his carry on, played well for 67, but could have been 64.

Get off the fence and say what you really think 😁

Mysterypunter · 30-07-2020 11:35pm

GolfNut33 wrote: »

Get off the fence and say what you really think 😁

He was actually worse than I thought as a player, 4 European tour wins, one of them was the Welsh open in Celtic Manor which was reduced to 36 holes. 0 top 5 finishes in majors, best finish tied 6th at the pga. And this is a fellow that tells us all about the game, and has all the clich moving day for him is Saturday because he moves his clubs into the garage until the following Thursday. In case you think I'm bitching about everyone, Rich Beem is Quality.

AdamD · 30-07-2020 11:46pm

Mysterypunter wrote: »

McGinley is one of the biggest clowns associated with golf, and there are quite a few, Mark roe, that clown with the microphone that does the on course interviews, Butch and Claude Harmon and their money grabbing greedy attitude, but McGinley would be right in the mix, wasn't much of a player, but seems to be a sky hero for being a lick arse and Ryder Cup captain. He reached the Wentworth matchplay final about 20 years ago, can't recall him doing anything else. Bryson damages no one but himself with his carry on, played well for 67, but could have been 64.

If you're on about Radar, you're just wrong.

Mysterypunter · 30-07-2020 11:57pm

AdamD wrote: »

If you're on about Radar, you're just wrong.

No I'm not, Tim Barter. Radar is entertaining, barter hijacks people, usually a middle of the road English player, and they lose concentration and bogey the next, happened today with Pablo Larrazabal, even during a 64. Was - 7 after 13, and +1 for the next 3 holes after the interview. His favourite targets are Andy Sullivan, Ross Fisher, Eddie Pepperel, Matt Fitzpatrick, and Tyrell Hatton. The first two would fit the description of middle of the road players.

31-07-2020 12:08am

AdamD wrote: »

If you're on about Radar, you're just wrong.

Radar talk some about of drivel, he pretends to know a lot more then he does or tries to sound smarter then he is.

Mysterypunter · 31-07-2020 12:19am

Deleted User wrote: »

Radar talk some about of drivel, he pretends to know a lot more then he does or tries to sound smarter then he is.

But I said he's entertaining, so that is kind of agreeing without being critical. He doesn't take himself seriously either, and I'd say he knows he's on to a good thing. Money for jam

31-07-2020 12:23am

Mysterypunter wrote: »

But I said he's entertaining, so that is kind of agreeing without being critical. He doesn't take himself seriously either, and I'd say he knows he's on to a good thing. Money for jam

IMO of course he is ok comes out with good one liners no doubt, but he tries too hard at times for my tastes, tbf when he is on course he doesn;t annoy me as much.

Just not in the booth or the main studio

eagle eye · 31-07-2020 2:15am

I'm no fan of McGinley but for some couch potato to be calling his golfing career achievements nothing is laughable.
He knows lots about the game and is obviously highly respected or he would never have been a Ryder Cup captain.
His big problem is he is too nice for tv commentary.

Mysterypunter · 31-07-2020 7:22am

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm no fan of McGinley but for some couch potato to be calling his golfing career achievements nothing is laughable.
He knows lots about the game and is obviously highly respected or he would never have been a Ryder Cup captain.
His big problem is he is too nice for tv commentary.

My point is that his achievements in the game bear nlation to the level he is talking about, he is in the studio talking about the psychology and mentality required to win majors, but hardly won anything himself. Its not a dislike for the man, just a reflection on the coverage, that the way he goes on you would think he was Tom Watson, but nobody ever pulls them on it. It's the same with the cricket coverage, ex players with not much in the book, talking as if they were Don Bradman.

Remind me · 31-07-2020 9:05am

Mysterypunter wrote: »

My point is that his achievements in the game bear nlation to the level he is talking about, he is in the studio talking about the psychology and mentality required to win majors, but hardly won anything himself. Its not a dislike for the man, just a reflection on the coverage, that the way he goes on you would think he was Tom Watson, but nobody ever pulls them on it. It's the same with the cricket coverage, ex players with not much in the book, talking as if they were Don Bradman.

How many sports psychologists have won majors?

Maybe it's something he enjoys and reads up on and having been on tour for so long maybe he can talk from experience and if his psychology and mentality was better he'd have done better.

Like every pundit in every sport on sky they tow the stations line for fear of being dropped.

CalamariFritti · 31-07-2020 9:35am

I think you're a bit harsh on McGinley. You don't need to be a multiple major winner to understand the facets of the professional game and what it takes. Several European tour wins is pretty much top level by anyones standard. The margins are quite tight at the top and even a top 500 player would look like god playing in our monthly medal. So a 5 times winner and Ryder Cup captain is maybe not Tiger Woods but its pretty high up there in the general hierarchy.

Its the same in footie. You'd think someone like for example John O'Shea would only be moderately talented but thats because you see him against his top level peers. If he played in a local league game he'd look like Maradona. Many football managers didn't have distinguished playing careers but they've been close enough to understand what's going on at that level.

GreeBo · 31-07-2020 10:32am

Mysterypunter wrote: »

My point is that his achievements in the game bear nlation to the level he is talking about, he is in the studio talking about the psychology and mentality required to win majors, but hardly won anything himself. Its not a dislike for the man, just a reflection on the coverage, that the way he goes on you would think he was Tom Watson, but nobody ever pulls them on it. It's the same with the cricket coverage, ex players with not much in the book, talking as if they were Don Bradman.

ah, so by that criteria you must be a big fan of Faldo in the booth?

Mysterypunter · 31-07-2020 11:30am

GreeBo wrote: »

ah, so by that criteria you must be a big fan of Faldo in the booth?

He would be more qualified to talk about the process of winning for sure, he's OK at the job as well, so not too bad, but like the poster said above, they all toe the line, so I suppose turn the sound down if I don't like it. It's just that they never call poor shots or bad behavior. Rickie Fowler gets criticism from them, but DeChambeau doesnt, even though Rickie does great work off the course, and has had success on it. I know he's not won a major, but I live in hope. The man is a really great ambassador for the game, and has popularised it among a younger generation, that's the type of thing that should be applauded, but instead we have John Rahm and Bryson, two spoilt children, and nobody calling out their poor behaviour. I think they should call penalties like code violations in tennis, Sergio Garcia is another one, but I'm veering off topic.

SeeMoreBut · 31-07-2020 1:49pm

Mc Ginley is one I can't warm to him at all. He is one for the one liners and repeating himself about them in the studio. Especially around the psychology of game. One week he seems to be in love with Rory next he is nailing him.

He has done well for himself. Won his first event from a mile back after posting a 60 or something. I'd put him in the always comfortable in keeping his card but couldn't really make that next step up to contend in the big events bar the odd couple. I don't think he did enough to get Ryder Cup captain and I'd put Bjorn in that category also. Right place and right time probably helped him.

Roe can't stand him also.

I like radar and Beemer. He'll be missed when goes to champions tour. Coltart isn't bad either. Not afraid to take digs at Bryson. Nick is another that has fallen on his feet with Sky.

Boxie isn't bad either.

Murray can have his moments of shut up please.

GreeBo · 31-07-2020 1:59pm

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

He has done well for himself. Won his first event from a mile back after posting a 60 or something. I'd put him in the always comfortable in keeping his card but couldn't really make that next step up to contend in the big events bar the odd couple. I don't think he did enough to get Ryder Cup captain and I'd put Bjorn in that category also. Right place and right time probably helped him.

He got Ryder Cup because he does/did a huge amount for the players behind the scenes, was the player rep for a number of years.

Seve OB · 31-07-2020 2:00pm

Ridiculous arguments by mystery.
Alex Ferguson, Jurgen Klopp and Pepp. 3 nothing players when it came to football, so naturally they would make sh1te managers..... sure they weren’t good enough to play at the top level (unlike McKinley who did compete at the top level in his sport) so of course they really should be only good enough to manage Vauxhall conference league teams.

IAmTitleist · 31-07-2020 2:31pm

Bruce Critchley, Ewen Murray and David Livingstone.

Those were the days.

SeeMoreBut · 31-07-2020 2:57pm

GreeBo wrote: »

He got Ryder Cup because he does/did a huge amount for the players behind the scenes, was the player rep for a number of years.

That is fair enough but would you say the same if it was Philip Price. Paul Lawrie should be ahead of him as captain.

Seve OB wrote: »

Ridiculous arguments by mystery.
Alex Ferguson, Jurgen Klopp and Pepp. 3 nothing players when it came to football, so naturally they would make sh1te managers..... sure they weren’t good enough to play at the top level (unlike McKinley who did compete at the top level in his sport) so of course they really should be only good enough to manage Vauxhall conference league teams.

You can't compare Ryder Cup captain to football manager. Roles are completely different

callaway92 · 31-07-2020 3:12pm

Seve OB wrote: »

Ridiculous arguments by mystery.
Alex Ferguson, Jurgen Klopp and Pepp. 3 nothing players when it came to football, so naturally they would make sh1te managers..... sure they weren’t good enough to play at the top level (unlike McKinley who did compete at the top level in his sport) so of course they really should be only good enough to manage Vauxhall conference league teams.

Uhm. Are you getting mixed up calling Pep a nothing player? Multiple La Liga titles and a consistent starter for Barca for years. Nearly 50 Spain caps etc too.

PARlance · 31-07-2020 3:39pm

callaway92 wrote: »

Uhm. Are you getting mixed up calling Pep a nothing player? Multiple La Liga titles and a consistent starter for Barca for years. Nearly 50 Spain caps etc too.

Handy golfer as well!

GreeBo · 31-07-2020 5:45pm

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

That is fair enough but would you say the same if it was Philip Price. Paul Lawrie should be ahead of him as captain.

Why would Laurie be ahead of him?
Perhaps if you only see the captains position as honorary and not being a skill in its own right that would make sense, its like an award, but many people including myself wouldnt see it that way at all.

Not following your Phillip Price question tbh.

SeeMoreBut · 31-07-2020 6:17pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Why would Laurie be ahead of him?
Perhaps if you only see the captains position as honorary and not being a skill in its own right that would make sense, its like an award, but many people including myself wouldnt see it that way at all.

Not following your Phillip Price question tbh.

It is an honorary thing. Just look at the vast majority of captains.

If Philip price did the same things behind the seens like Paul would you give him the captain role

GreeBo · 01-08-2020 4:27pm

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

It is an honorary thing. Just look at the vast majority of captains.

If Philip price did the same things behind the seens like Paul would you give him the captain role

Question makes no sense tbh.
He didn't do them so he didn't get the role. If McGinley hadn't done it he wouldn't have got the role either.

SeeMoreBut · 02-08-2020 10:53am

GreeBo wrote: »

Question makes no sense tbh.
He didn't do them so he didn't get the role. If McGinley hadn't done it he wouldn't have got the role either.

If he did would you agree to him been a captain. I seriously doubt it. Your think captain should be based on what they do off the course.

It’s great that we can both have different opinions

GreeBo · 02-08-2020 11:58am

No, I think it's based on the overall view of the person, on and off the course.
Sometimes it's more about their success on (faldo) sometimes it's more off (McGinley)
Sometimes it's neither (Clarke)

Mantis Toboggan · 02-08-2020 1:26pm

GreeBo wrote: »

No, I think it's based on the overall view of the person, on and off the course.
Sometimes it's more about their success on (faldo) sometimes it's more off (McGinley)
Sometimes it's neither (Clarke)

Harsh on Clarke, he was twice the player McGinley was.

GreeBo · 02-08-2020 2:39pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Harsh on Clarke, he was twice the player McGinley was.

Have we not already decided that McGinley wasn't much of a player??

ligerdub · 03-08-2020 3:24pm

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

Mc Ginley is one I can't warm to him at all. He is one for the one liners and repeating himself about them in the studio. Especially around the psychology of game. One week he seems to be in love with Rory next he is nailing him.

He has done well for himself. Won his first event from a mile back after posting a 60 or something. I'd put him in the always comfortable in keeping his card but couldn't really make that next step up to contend in the big events bar the odd couple. I don't think he did enough to get Ryder Cup captain and I'd put Bjorn in that category also. Right place and right time probably helped him.

Roe can't stand him also.

I like radar and Beemer. He'll be missed when goes to champions tour. Coltart isn't bad either. Not afraid to take digs at Bryson. Nick is another that has fallen on his feet with Sky.

Boxie isn't bad either.

Murray can have his moments of shut up please.

Bjorn is one of the most successful players in the history of the European tour. He was also one of the only European threats to win majors between Lawrie in '99 and Harrington in '07, and was very close to getting over the lines on 3 occasions. The only European players with more wins in Europe that have not been Ryder Cup captain are Sergio Garcia, Lee Westwood, Sandy Lyle & MA Jimenez.

2 of those 4 are still playing fairly competitively and will almost certainly get a squeak. Jimenez is still very competitive for his age and probably pays a bit for his limited skills in English (a sadly negative point against the way these things go) as well as his probable lower interest in doing the job. Lyle missed the boat and doesn't seem like a guy others would have rallied for anyway.

McGinley was much less of a stellar candidate but 5 wins is nothing to be sniffed at either. He got on those RC teams on merit, and was an asset to the 3 RC contests he was part of, and won. He didn't just get the captaincy because of his quality as a player, if it did it would have gone to somebody else. He played the game in getting the role and when he got it he didn't let anybody down. His captaincy was a roaring success.

I would agree with the idea that his profile now success he was a bigger player in the world of golf than his regular Tour career really was, so for that I say fair point. He's in the media business now though so a part of that deal in promoting yourself in the best possible way.

PARlance · 09-08-2020 1:32am

If there's a bigger spoofer out there other than McGinley...

09-08-2020 2:52am

PARlance wrote: »

If there's a bigger spoofer out there other than McGinley...

Radar.... if we are talking spoofer

Mysterypunter · 09-08-2020 3:02am

Deleted User wrote: »

Radar.... if we are talking spoofer

What about Mark Roe?

First Up · 09-08-2020 7:51am

They all obey orders. Radar's are to be entertaining. Mark Roe's were to talk up Tiger (a job he seems to have passed to Coltart). McGinley's job is to help Sarah make sense of it all, which he does quite well.

McGinley knows the game and the tour backwards and I'd love to hear him speak his mind. Won't happen unfortunately but he's the best of them nonetheless.

Rikand · 09-08-2020 9:17am

At one point yesterday, Radar spoke at length about what a fantastic putter that Morikawa is. One of the best in the game.

McGinley comes in next and spoke at length about what a terrible putter Morikawa is. How its the worst part of his game.

Loafing Oaf · 09-08-2020 8:00pm

Justin Thomas turns the air blue. Cue half the wholesome golf-watching parents of America

Deeper Blue · 09-08-2020 8:23pm

JT is number one in the world rankings and also the f-bomb rankings for the week

fred funk }{ · 09-08-2020 11:16pm

El Sue14263501 wrote:

JT is number one in the world rankings and also the f-bomb rankings for the week

The way sky ****themselves when someone curses is completely OTT. I mean, are we really that sensitive as viewers.

09-08-2020 11:29pm

Is it really hard for Radar to do some research on the players if he is goinng to commentate on them

09-08-2020 11:51pm

Is it really hard for Radar to do some research on the players if he is goinng to commentate on them

Deeper Blue · 10-08-2020 1:06am

The host broadcasters are awful, they show Brooks hitting a drive when he's 7 off the lead yet they don't show the 2nd shot of DJ at 14 which led to a bogey and could prove crucial. Terrible coverage.

And then we see a Brooks par putt from 3 feet away to remain 7 off the lead. Jokeshop

eagle eye · 12-08-2020 9:56am

Rikand wrote:

At one point yesterday, Radar spoke at length about what a fantastic putter that Morikawa is. One of the best in the game.

McGinley comes in next and spoke at length about what a terrible putter Morikawa is. How its the worst part of his game.

Well Radar was spoofing there.

Even after his great putting performance at the PGA he's still -.121 in shots gained putting down in 141st place on the PGA tour.

12-08-2020 11:29am

El Sueño wrote: »

The host broadcasters are awful, they show Brooks hitting a drive when he's 7 off the lead yet they don't show the 2nd shot of DJ at 14 which led to a bogey and could prove crucial. Terrible coverage.

And then we see a Brooks par putt from 3 feet away to remain 7 off the lead. Jokeshop

Always been the way, American TV footage focuses on the yanks no matter what. I had a bet on Els to win some tournament about 12 years ago and he ended up second to Mickelson, but they showed practically all of Phil's shots and very little of the Big Easy. I also remember Peter Alliss apologising for the fact they were showing practically every second of Woods in one tournament while ignoring even the eventual winners in terms of coverage.

Deeper Blue · 12-08-2020 1:07pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Always been the way, American TV footage focuses on the yanks no matter what. I had a bet on Els to win some tournament about 12 years ago and he ended up second to Mickelson, but they showed practically all of Phil's shots and very little of the Big Easy. I also remember Peter Alliss apologising for the fact they were showing practically every second of Woods in one tournament while ignoring even the eventual winners in terms of coverage.

The funny thing is on Sunday nearly everyone at the top of the leaderboard was American yet they were showing the wrong Americans! Missing DJ's second to 14 and his tee off on 16 (which went in the hazard I believe) was criminal.

Loafing Oaf · 19-09-2020 8:13pm

Love the way McGinley keeps mentioning Eamon Darcy. How many Sky Sports viewers will even have heard of him?:P

Deeper Blue · 12-11-2020 1:54pm

20 minutes in and I'm already sick of Nick Dougherty

eagle eye · 12-11-2020 1:56pm

El SueÃ&#177 wrote: »

20 minutes in and I'm already sick of Nick Dougherty

Yeah I'm pretty fed up of him myself. He really offers very little.

Deeper Blue · 12-11-2020 2:30pm

It's been painful watching nearly a full hour of the two lads standing there waffling, I can't remember a single thing either of them said.

They should bring on Beem or Butch, they might at least say something interesting.

GreeBo · 12-11-2020 3:24pm

El Sueño wrote: »

It's been painful watching nearly a full hour of the two lads standing there waffling, I can't remember a single thing either of them said.

They should bring on Beem or Butch, they might at least say something interesting.

In fairness it's very difficult to keep talking when nothing is happening for them to talk about...

fred funk }{ · 12-11-2020 3:34pm

I actually like Nick and Paul.

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