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Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deise_2012


    What a win! Sickened I missed it today, can anyone tell me who stood out for waterford?


  • Registered Users Posts: 646 ✭✭✭mccarthy37


    Oh my heart I taught when Paudy missed the two frees our chance was gone but what a great performance that should see us safe now and not have to worry about the drop down
    Well done to all the lads, Michael Ryan and his backroom team make no mistake this is a big win for a very young team probably as good the win against Kilkenny 15 yrs ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Top of the table with a game to go? Fair play, lads


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭deisefolife


    anyone know who won the cork galway game. please be galway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    anyone know who won the cork galway game. please be galway
    Draw.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deise_2012


    anyone know who won the cork galway game. please be galway
    2-12 to 2-12


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭deisefolife


    Deise_2012 wrote: »
    What a win! Sickened I missed it today, can anyone tell me who stood out for waterford?

    brick mornan the two jamies shamy prendy. really they all stood out to me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭HillFarmer


    Lads, I think Michael Ryan deserves a bit of credit for this season so far as well.

    Don't know the man, but he clearly must be doing something right, glad to see us hurling well with such young lads starting and all the better to have a Waterford lad managing!


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭deisefolife


    Draw.

    lovely thanks for the update


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Ando's Saggy Bottom


    Pleased to see Jamie Barron do so well too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    League table looks something like this (think I have the points difference right anyway):

    Waterford 5
    Tipperary 4
    Cork 4
    Kilkenny 4
    Clare 4
    Galway 3


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭WumBuster


    League table looks something like this (think I have the points difference right anyway):

    Waterford 5
    Tipperary 4
    Cork 4
    Kilkenny 4
    Clare 4
    Galway 3

    Almost impossible to work the permutations out here but by my reckoning if we avoid a heavy defeat by Galway and the other two games dont end in draws, we'll avoid relegation and will finish at least 3rd.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭doz


    Can someone tell me whether it comes down to points difference or head to head? If its points then we would have to lose by four to Galway assuming the other games are won outright to miss out on semis?


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭deisefolife


    fair play to scully and co..i personally think he's going to get better with time

    and to think this time last year a lot of people on this forum wanted his head on a pike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    doz wrote: »
    Can someone tell me whether it comes down to points difference or head to head? If its points then we would have to lose by four to Galway assuming the other games are won outright to miss out on semis?

    Pretty sure it's head-to-head first.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭WumBuster


    HillFarmer wrote: »
    Lads, I think Michael Ryan deserves a bit of credit for this season so far as well.

    Don't know the man, but he clearly must be doing something right, glad to see us hurling well with such young lads starting and all the better to have a Waterford lad managing!

    Funny listening to Tom Dempsey saying how Galway will beat us and we'll still end up in a relegation play off. These hurling analysts must get the shock of their lives anytime we win a match. Well done Mick Ryan, he's certainly proving a lot of people wrong, maybe some Sunday Ill open a newspaper and find someone actually predicting a Waterford win for a change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 482 ✭✭Treble20


    Well done Waterford,ye're proving a lot of critics wrong in this league campaign!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Deskjockey


    What are the other fixtures next week?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭seananigans


    WumBuster wrote: »
    Funny listening to Tom Dempsey saying how Galway will beat us and we'll still end up in a relegation play off. These hurling analysts must get the shock of their lives anytime we win a match. Well done Mick Ryan, he's certainly proving a lot of people wrong, maybe some Sunday Ill open a newspaper and find someone actually predicting a Waterford win for a change.

    anytime i see we are predicted to win, I usually fill with dread, I can't be the only one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 482 ✭✭Treble20


    Kilkenny v Cork,Tipperary v Clare.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    WumBuster wrote: »

    Funny listening to Tom Dempsey saying how Galway will beat us and we'll still end up in a relegation play off. These hurling analysts must get the shock of their lives anytime we win a match. Well done Mick Ryan, he's certainly proving a lot of people wrong, maybe some Sunday Ill open a newspaper and find someone actually predicting a Waterford win for a change.

    An incredibly stupid prediction. Galway to beat us say 50 percent like. There's been one draw in the division in twelve games, so the chances of one of those games ending in a draw is about 15 percent. Then we'd have to lose the playoff, say another 50 percent game. The chance of all 3 happening is about 4 percent. I know the figures I've just decided on, but relegation, while possible, is highly unlikely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Deskjockey wrote: »
    What are the other fixtures next week?

    Tipp v Clare and KK v Cork

    We are safe from relegation if none of the 2 games above finish in a draw.

    From listening to the radio they seemed to think that scoring difference would decide placings and not head to head. If that is the case then we will be in the semi finals if we avoid a heavy defeat to Galway


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭willietherock


    WumBuster wrote: »
    Almost impossible to work the permutations out here but by my reckoning if we avoid a heavy defeat by Galway and the other two games dont end in draws, we'll avoid relegation and will finish at least 3rd.

    As long as there is no last round draw in the other games Waterford will finish at least 4th.
    Does 4th qualify for a league semi final?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    blue note wrote: »
    An incredibly stupid prediction. Galway to beat us say 50 percent like. There's been one draw in the division in twelve games, so the chances of one of those games ending in a draw is about 15 percent. Then we'd have to lose the playoff, say another 50 percent game. The chance of all 3 happening is about 4 percent. I know the figures I've just decided on, but relegation, while possible, is highly unlikely.

    There's been 2 draws blue note, also been a bunch of 1 point games. I wouldnt rule out a draw in any of the games next weekend.

    I agree its unlikely and listening to Tom Dempsey in the car on the way home annoyed the hell out of me, its not that hard to work out ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    As long as there is no last round draw in the other games Waterford will finish at least 4th.
    Does 4th qualify for a league semi final?

    No, 4th means your league is over and no more competitive hurling until the championship. Its where we finished last year and the biggest drawback to the current format of the league in my opinion is that one 1A team ends up in limbo land just as the sod is firming up


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    any idea why Dungarvan's Shane Kearney isn't getting a run on the waterford team??? surely he's more than earned a shot at it, following his great senior hurling campaign last year???

    Who would you have him on ahead of? Couldn't fault anybody from 2-9 over the last 4 games really.
    WumBuster wrote: »
    Funny listening to Tom Dempsey saying how Galway will beat us and we'll still end up in a relegation play off. These hurling analysts must get the shock of their lives anytime we win a match. Well done Mick Ryan, he's certainly proving a lot of people wrong, maybe some Sunday Ill open a newspaper and find someone actually predicting a Waterford win for a change.

    Did he not say that Cork and Galway would be in the relegation final, thought that was what he said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭WumBuster


    Who would you have him on ahead of? Couldn't fault anybody from 2-9 over the last 4 games really.



    Did he not say that Cork and Galway would be in the relegation final, thought that was what he said.

    yes but he came back later and ''changed his mind'' and said it would be us and Cork. He wasnt even sure of the last week's fixtures which tells it own story. The most likely scenario is Cork and Clare in the relegation play off if they lose both their games next week. A draw in one of the other games could put a spanner in the works But of course the only sure way is for us to qualify is to win next week which should be our only focus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Anyway to the match. Obviously great to get the win, its really impressive how this team digs in and sticks with it right to the end and they do seem to finish games strongly. Defence again very impressive, The Brick MOTM for me, Ryan said afterwards he's playing the hurling of his life and gotta agree with that.

    Our struggle to get scores is a big concern and will be amplified on a better sod later in the year. Hopefully the promise shown by Barron, Dillon and Halloran will continue and turn into more scores on the better sod also. Actually speaking of sod, hats off to the groundsmen in Walsh Park for having such a fantastic playing surface today after all that rain.

    Some of our freetaking options were poor and again the tendancy to leave possible scores in on the keeper was frustrating.


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭lovelypoint


    WumBuster wrote: »
    yes but he came back later and ''changed his mind'' and said it would be us and Cork.

    Sounds a bit of a spoofer to me, and amongst hurling 'analysts' that makes him pretty eh, special :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    Tremendous win, our first against Tipp since 2008 so huge from that perspective. It was great to see the fight and effort the team put in. At half time, I reckoned we'd win it though I was a bit wary of Tipp's subs. We were poor though for a good 20 minutes in the second half, the ball going into the forwards wasn't great. To be fair to Iggy, he didn't make any big mistakes, kept a ball out from off the line and was very brave and won his free in the first half and was left the worst of it. I still think though that nobody can match the trajectory of Stephen O'Keeffe's puckouts.

    Thought Brian O Halloran played well through out and was surprised to see him taken off, but funnily enough we had only started to get going around then. Paudi Mahony had a big impact coming off the bench, despite the two missed frees which was good to see. Shane O'Sullivan is playing really well, big addition who was sorely missed last year. The backs are playing out of their skin. 4 goals Tipp got last week, but none today and they never threatened. Brick has become my new hero, outshining Tony Browne and Ken McGrath these days (but I've a very short memory :p). They'd want to get construction under way for the statue they're building of him in Waterford at this stage, he's well worth it. (THAT catch, you know the one I'm on about. Amazing. And about 20 more besides. Phenomenal.)

    Seamus Prender gets through a heap of work and kept us competing up there. Have to say I thought Jamie Barron was very good. Was listening to Mac Dara on WLR on the way in saying we'd nobody with an eye for goal, well I'm sure he was watching that. Super finish, and a great point second half. He's great to get the hurley in as well and put defenders under pressure.

    The biggest the thing for me is that the team has won 2 games and both of them have been without Shane Walsh, who would have been considered our main scoring threat when Mullane left. With this consideration, it's scandalous the lack of credit they're afforded. Tom Dempsey said that Clare were the form team from Munster (suggesting that their was a team not from Munster that are the form team at the moment, which is not true). F*ck off like, we clearly are. We're top of the table, out on our own, and the game we lost we were well in it for most of it, we could easily have beaten Cork too.

    All in all delighted, finished it out so well. Well done lads, nothing beats beating Tipp in my eyes really! :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭WumBuster


    Sounds a bit of a spoofer to me, and amongst hurling 'analysts' that makes him pretty eh, special :)

    He gets on my nerves. He's a very passive analyst who dosent ever have any great insights and dosent ever seem to have much homework done only yeah great win for Waterford etc then just carries on joking around with the other people in the studio.


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭lovelypoint


    Chinpool wrote: »
    Ill take those margins :pac:
    Even if following this team isnt good for my health :o

    Ha ha, indeed. Fair play to the way the team's battled valiantly, and looking forward to the last round of the league :)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Congratulations on today lads. Tbh 1 point defeat flattered us had ye been a bit more efficient in the first half ye would have won alot handier


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭lovelypoint


    Congratulations on today lads. Tbh 1 point defeat flattered us had ye been a bit more efficient in the first half ye would have won alot handier

    Fair play for the sporting comment. Only gotten to listen to the game on radio, and haven't seen much of Tipp this league, what's your feeling on this Tipp team since the changeover in management..


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 7,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭suitcasepink


    So friggen happy, Zomgggggggggggggggg

    It may aswell have been a championship match Im so excited, dunno has this ever happened before haha!
    Woooooo, from favourites for relegation to top of the table with a game to go, wooooo :D:D


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fair play for the sporting comment. Only gotten to listen to the game on radio, and haven't seen much of Tipp this league, what's your feeling on this Tipp team since the changeover in management..

    I think while its the best management possible that we could get for this job that they have a serious job on their hands all the same.
    He has a squad of talented sticksmen no doubt but there seems to be no willingness to battle for the dirty ball unlike Waterford today. While the old management werent up to the job if im being honest i think they had a job on their hands given some of the personnel they have to deal with. The likes of Lar and Seamus Callinan etc are all terrific hurlers we know too well but its not worth squat if you are getting muscled off the ball with little fightback


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Looking ahead to next week, the table is...

    Waterford 5pts (-3 scoring diff)
    Clare 4pts (+6 scoring diff)
    Cork 4pts (+6 scoring diff)
    KK 4pts (+2 scoring diff)
    Tipp 4pts (-1 scoring diff)
    Galway 3pts (-10 scoring diff)

    The final round of games is
    Waterford v Galway
    KK v Cork
    Tipp v Clare

    So assuming that points difference settles any ties between teams, I'm not sure if this is the case and cant seem to find anything definite online but for the purpose of this post I'll assume it is

    We qualify for the semi final if
    - We beat Galway
    - We draw with Galway
    - We lose to Galway by 3 points or less and none of the other 2 games ends in a draw

    We will finish 4th if
    - We lose to Galway by more than 3 points and none of the other 2 games ends in a draw

    We end up in a relegation play off if
    - We lose to Galway and any of the other games finishes in a draw


    Think thats it, clear as mud really :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭WumBuster


    Well a relegation play off isnt hugely unlikely as it first appeared, hope Tom Dempsey dosent prove me wrong!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    WumBuster wrote: »
    Well a relegation play off isnt hugely unlikely as it first appeared, hope Tom Dempsey dosent prove me wrong!

    Its still the least likely eventuality for us though as one of the other games must finish in a draw for it to happen. It would be desperately unfortunate for us to end up with 5 points and to still be in a relegation play off

    Paddy Power make us 10/1 to be relgated, only Kilkenny at 12/1 have longer odds.

    To be honest the team have done enough so far this season to deserve more confidence from us. Galway really havent impressed too much and seem to have gone back to fully relying on Joe Canning, if we can minimise his scoring next week then we've every reason to hope to be in a league semi final


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭robopaddy


    Tom Dempsey said that Clare were the form team from Munster (suggesting that their was a team not from Munster that are the form team at the moment, which is not true).

    I heard that aswell I remember thinking wat do we have to do to get some credit like... look at the league table. every other county has had an off day I think we have played consistently well even when beaten. I wouldnt be too worried about Tom Dempsey and the likes though Im quietly happy about being constantly written off that suits us traditionally.
    I think the likes of Dempsey dosent appreciate that we have some seriously talented hurlers coming through. Just because we havent been winning all around at underage level dosent mean that we have some smashing lads there. Basically he dosent know his stuff.

    As you said it was important to get a win over Tipp aswell weve a bad record against them in the last few years. I definetly think we'd have a lot less fear of them in a championship game now having won this game in this fashion.

    Wasn't at the game just wondering what peoples views on the goalkeeping situation is after today?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭seananigans


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Its still the least likely eventuality for us though as one of the other games must finish in a draw for it to happen. It would be desperately unfortunate for us to end up with 5 points and to still be in a relegation play off

    Paddy Power make us 10/1 to be relgated, only Kilkenny at 12/1 have longer odds.

    To be honest the team have done enough so far this season to deserve more confidence from us. Galway really havent impressed too much and seem to have gone back to fully relying on Joe Canning, if we can minimise his scoring next week then we've every reason to hope to be in a league semi final

    Well from what i heard, if we did it to Lar, we can do it to the Joe show


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    robopaddy wrote: »

    Wasn't at the game just wondering what peoples views on the goalkeeping situation is after today?

    Iggy wasnt really tested save wise, Tipp just didnt get into any goal scoring chances, which is a great credit to the work of the backs. He was steady under a couple of high balls mind. His puck outs were okay, not outstanding though, put 2 of them straight out for line balls in the first half. Not a short puck out in sight today :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    9/1 to win the league lads. Surely that is a savage price.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭robopaddy


    Well from what i heard, if we did it to Lar, we can do it to the Joe show

    not taking credit away from our backs performance but lar isnt near the same player he was 2/3 years ago. Joe is at a different level and a much different type of threat. Hes guaranteed 9/10 points a game at least and stopping him from scoring goals might be go a long way towards beating Galway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    O Riain wrote: »
    9/1 to win the league lads. Surely that is a savage price.

    I actually think its a fair enough price, to ensure qualification we have to first draw or beat Galway, then win a semi final and a final.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭randd1


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Looking ahead to next week, the table is...

    Waterford 5pts (-3 scoring diff)
    Clare 4pts (+6 scoring diff)
    Cork 4pts (+6 scoring diff)
    KK 4pts (+2 scoring diff)
    Tipp 4pts (-1 scoring diff)
    Galway 3pts (-10 scoring diff)

    The final round of games is
    Waterford v Galway
    KK v Cork
    Tipp v Clare

    So assuming that points difference settles any ties between teams, I'm not sure if this is the case and cant seem to find anything definite online but for the purpose of this post I'll assume it is

    We qualify for the semi final if
    - We beat Galway
    - We draw with Galway
    - *We lose to Galway by 3 points or less and none of the other 2 games ends in a draw

    We will finish 4th if
    - We lose to Galway by more than 3 points and none of the other 2 games ends in a draw

    We end up in a relegation play off if
    - **We lose to Galway and any of the other games finishes in a draw


    Think thats it, clear as mud really :pac:

    * If that happens, Waterford will end up in fourth as Galway would qualify by virtue of head to head.

    **That's the only possible way that Waterford will be in a relegation decider.

    If the three games end in wins for any team, then no matter what, Waterford are safe.

    And if something amazing happens and Waterford and Clare manage to win, then either Tipp or Galway will be relegated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    randd1 wrote: »
    * If that happens, Waterford will end up in fourth as Galway would qualify by virtue of head to head.

    **That's the only possible way that Waterford will be in a relegation decider.

    If the three games end in wins for any team, then no matter what, Waterford are safe.

    And if something amazing happens and Waterford and Clare manage to win, then either Tipp or Galway will be relegated.

    As I said I wasnt sure if points difference or head to head applied. So if H2H does apply then a loss to Galway would mean no semi final for us alright

    As for hypotheticals, how about this...Waterford Clare and Cork win. The relegation playoff would be a repeat of last years All Ireland Final between Galway and Kilkenny


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭redlead


    I actually started laughing when I heard Dempsey say on the radio that he fancied Waterford for relegation despite us being top of the league. No doubt that he also fancied Clare, Cork and Tipperary to beat Waterford (just like every other "expert"). Incidentally, I think that this is the fourth year in a row that Waterford were pre league favourites to be relegated, and here we are sitting on the top of the table and we are still expected to be relegated lol

    I thought that Brick was immense today. If he only learned how to hit a ball with his hurley he would be one of the greats. Dillon, O'Halloran and Barron all impressed. Prender worked hard but looked tired towards the end. Sully had a great game also. I still have a worry about how hard we have to work to get scores from play. I hope this improves before the summer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deise_2012


    How did maurice shanahan and martin o neill play? Would love to know where they are going to find a place for noel connors in the backline, they've been absolutely brilliant so far


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭redlead


    Yeah full back line was excellent today to be fair to them. Maurice was average enough to be honest. I'm not his biggest fan though so probably judge him more harshly than other players. He did well when he got the ball in his hand and won a couple of frees too. The problem is getting the ball into his hand. He is crap at winning high ball considering his height and he doesn't exactly bust his gut to get to breaking ball either. Martin O'Neill worked hard throughout and took his frees well. He didn't do anything special though. The other four forwards were the impressive ones.


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